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I don't recall the C's suggesting smoking anything other than tobacco as beneficial. In fact, I thought they said the contrary.

Anything that removes or impairs our critical system or hampers our alarm systems, be they physical or psychological puts us as risk.

I was prescribed medical marijuana a while ago and noticed that a few thoughts started creeping into my mind that were not part of my normal thinking. I would hear in my head how I was bored with my partner, how her weight bothered my, how I would be happier if I were to leave her and meet women for casual sex, etc., all thoughts that were not part of my thinking but had hooks in the tiniest of genuine notions in the back of my mind.

They most certainly did not have my best interest in mind.

Keeping it real is the only way, from what I understood and I hope someone will chime in if I'm wrong on this.

I also think that since marijuana was promoted heavily during the 60s and 70s as a way to expand one's awareness, that such a promotion originated from the folks that brought us the hippie movement, free love and new age religions. This should be a red flag.

Psychotropics can allow one to access other realms before one is ready to access them. Some people believed, especially after reading Carlos Casteneda, that the use of psychoactive plants was a legitimate path to enlightenment, a shortcut without going through the work, but we know there's no free lunch and the price for such a path can be further fall into illusion at best and one's soul at worst.
I am not suggesting you are using for the purpose of enlightenment but the effect is the same. You become open when you have no defense, which is akin to going into battle without armour and no plan.

I understand lesser of evils and gradual withdrawal though. But I wouldn't spend any more time under the influence than is necessary to get from point A to point B and I would warn to not be complacent while under the effects, instead becoming even more vigilant. Of course, such vigilance could end up negating the relaxation affect, so the usage might lose its value.

I just want to ensure you operate with eyes wide open and that you make decisions with as much information as possible.

I have faith you will eventually prevail, with the support of a strong and informed network such as this one and continuous effort in your learning and self work.

Gonzo
 
davey72 said:
Also,didnt the c's kinda say -ary jane is not that bad? lumped in with melatonin?type of thing?
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Nope. Marijuana shuts down the emotional center, which makes progress in the Work basically impossible. It sounds like you're looking for reasons to use, which, while understandable, isn't really beneficial.
 
Reading this thread reminds me of a story I came accross 25 years ago. It concerns a natural substance called Ibogaine that has a track record of freeing any addict from cravings and withdrawal permanently, with as little as one dose. It would be interesting to hear what the "C's" would say about this because of its aparently successful track record. One story about Ibogaine can be viewed here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syztZcpj69U&p=CC7510001271E68A&playnext=1&index=50
 
Hi ankhepiphan,

There is an extensive forum discussion on ibogaine and context here. You can use the search function to find the exact posts.
 
I'm familiar with this thread, and I agree with the concensus of not using it for puposes of 'spiritual enlightenment'. I was reffereing to its use more in the line of discussions on this thread:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=7130.0

If it works as described for this purpose only by numerous recovering addicts, would it not be better than methodone or other pharmaceutical treatments? After looking through the material on ibogaine use for the treatment of addiction, I can see why the PTB wouldn't want easy access to this substance.
 
Yep, ibogaine has too high of a success rate to ever be used in the west.
However, for the same reason that other psychotropics work against one's spiritual development, I would be equally concerned about ibogaine. Although it might only take one dosage, it is a terrifying ride for many, including meeting one's worst fears and venturing into other realms from what I've heard from those who have experienced the therapy.

I have no way of knowing whether the benefits outweigh the risks in this regard and defer to those more knowledgeable.

But if there are plants out there that can wipe away one's addictions, which are usually based on psychological wounding, with a single albeit massive experience, it sounds a bit like a shortcut without having to go through the blood, sweat and tears of the Work.

My $0.02 fwiw,
Gonzo
 
omg.why did i get censored for asking about ibogaine?this is what i have been wondering about from the beginning of this thread.thank you for mentioning it.it actually creates a neuron in yer brain that wasnt there to begin with and stays there for about 4 mnths.look at the video "right of passage" this is the real question that i have for the c's.i realize that it sounds like a quick fix,and i am definately changing my views on my theories that moderation is ok, but this really sounds legitimate.so much so that it is very illegal,and radical,etc.like cleaning ones blood.

For some reason i thought that i had read in the wave that pot was ok. I know they said melatonin was good to take,and they said because it is a mild hallucinogen.
 
ty Gimpy for the thread. theroadback.com i have been on the methadone for about 7 yrs.right now i am going down by 2mg's/week. I am currently at 5 mg's.some days are very hard for me,but then other days i feel sooooo good about what i am doing.
 
sorry,but theroadback.org. how are you supposed to follow these supposedly perfect programs if we cant afford to buy these supplements they say i need to do it,and they are the only ones that have it?
 
i found the following references in two books by Fritz Springmeier.
i do not know if he is outright disinfo but i found the information interesting.
he also claims gurdjieff was an asset for british and russian intelligence and accuses some of the 4th way groups of being involved in mindcontrol/programming/drug taking.
whatever the truth, take this information with a big grain of salt.

from: Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler - The Illuminati Formula to Create An Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave

Cannabis (aka Marijuana, a sedative, change in perception, colors and sounds more distinct, time distorted. This drug is not used much in Monarch Programming because it IMPEDES mind control. It has been experimented with in combination with other drugs as an interrogation tool. The CIA listed it as being used in MK-Ultra, but it served as an experimental drug rather for programming.)

[...]

Enhancing the trauma
Drugs will be used to enhance the spinning effect when the mind is being programmed to have vortexes and to set up traps within the slave’s mind. One particular drug enhances the trauma by 100 times. Drugs can be useful for instance, to enhance a child’s terror of the experience of this child being placed in a small box in the fetal position for 24 hours. This helps shorten the programming time, and it also make the programming more intense. The programmers know what antidotes to give to pull the child out of the enhancement. Marijuana enhances perception of color and noise, but it is not used to enhance trauma. The mind does not program well under marijuana. That is why there has been such a big campaign to keep it illegal, even though many studies show it to be safer than alcohol.



from: Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler - Deeper Insights Into the Illuminati Formula

In the course of this book, the reader is introduced to the concept that the human brain is actually 7 brains. The 4th or mid brain that lies between the upper 3 brains and the lower three and functions as a crossroads, joins with the optic thalamus, which forms the floor of the 3rd ventricle. The ceiling of the 4th brain is the floor of the 3rd ventricle. The 3rd ventricle and the Cave of Brahma make up the 5th brain. The 5th brain is connected to the cerebral hemispheres of the Cerebrum and is critical to creating concepts and storing abstract concepts. It feeds on ideas, and reflects. (Marijuana activates this brain, and it is common knowledge among mind-control handlers that marijuana is forbidden to slaves.)
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davey72 said:
sorry,but theroadback.org. how are you supposed to follow these supposedly perfect programs if we cant afford to buy these supplements they say i need to do it,and they are the only ones that have it?
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By looking at their supplement lists, and finding cheaper sources. :)

I've had very good luck with a place called "The Vitamin Shop".

And I don't think the road back protocol is perfect. It takes a long time, and it does require a methodical, disciplined approach.

I'm still on a half dose of cymbalta (30 mg) every two days. (I tried going to three days this past week and it hurt me. Two days it is for a while.)

Everyone is different, and that is why I like the roadback protocol....it can be fine tuned without a doctor. I'm also not convinced the formulations used by the company listed on the road back site are the best ones.

For example: they use barley grass for protein drinks. I'm gluten free and don't want that, and use brown rice protein powder instead, if I think it will help. I've got problems with lectins, but so far none from rice.

That said, if its needed, I make a shake out of brown rice protein powder, frozen blackberries with frozen banana, stevia, and coconut milk.


The best changes so far? My Hubby tells me that I'm more 'with it' as the dose goes down....more aware, alive in the present moment, than I have been for YEARS. I can feel and process emotions, and sort through

thoughts better too. Other interesting effects? Television shows that I liked to see on Netflix are now repulsive to me: these shows appear like vaudeville instead of having appeal. Its easy to see where each one

is being 'salt and peppered' to make it tolerable viewing.

It doesn't sound like much, but its all very worth it to me. :D
 
it sounds like a lot to me if it works for you.
ty gimpy.
maybe if i keep squeeking the wheel,i may get an answer about ibogaine.as a personal choice.
this info about ary jane is pretty much the way i have felt about it.perhaps it is wrong,but this is why i am now on the forum.
ty.
 
no, i realize that. i don't mean to sound trite; i just think that maybe it is benefial for me occassionally.
 
Psyche said:
davey72 said:
i may get an answer about ibogaine.as a personal choice.
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It is psychoactive, not a brain chemistry balancing compound.
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I don't think that those two terms are mutually exclusive.

Marijuana is actually a good example of this. It has been proven to regulate endocannabinoid deficiencies in the brain in people lacking that balance, and is also simultaneously psychoactive. Nicotine would be another example of a psychoactive drug that I believe has brain chemistry balancing characteristics, though I do not understand the chemistry of that substance as well.

Fwiw. :)
 
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