Pavel Durov, creator of Telegram detained in Paris

Anyone notice the tweets going around showing the young lady traveling with Durov? Perhaps that is why they made a stop in France. It's a bit conspiratorial to say it, but I did think about a honeypot when seeing this story. This thread on Twitter that shows she was posting on social media all the time revealing their whereabouts. If it's all true, Durov really didn't manage things intelligently.

I remember that the day they killed Robert Kennedy there was also blonde in the surroundings of the Hotel! Just a coincidence, blondes here and there.
 
I remember that the day they killed Robert Kennedy there was also blonde in the surroundings of the Hotel! Just a coincidence, blondes here and there.
And now her family is telling media outlets that she is unable to be located since Durov's arrest. 🤔🤔

 
And now her family is telling media outlets that she is unable to be located since Durov's arrest. 🤔🤔

Russian media reported earlier today that she and Durov's bodyguard were released. I wonder if she will stay in France or go somewhere. And if and when someone will try to interview her.

Also here's an opinion by one of the Russian information security TG channels. Just to clarify in case translation isn't clear, paragraphs 2 and 3 are sarcasm. ;-)

The hottest topic right now is, of course, Durov's arrest in France. We've been asked to comment as well. Well, okay.

A lot of anonymous and not so anonymous TG-channels started to discuss the arrest and invent some details that they personally heard while sitting under Macron's desk (at the minimum). For example, a bunch of anonymous people say that the girl who came to France with Durov, a specialist in consumation, turned out to be a Mossad agent (!). This was reported to them directly by Netanyahu, no doubt.

While in fact, Durov was recruited by Putin at Aliyev's dacha, so Durov would fly to France and sit in the Bastille, where Bridget Macron's false breasts are being kept in the secret cellar along with the recipe for croissants with liver sausage.... (you get the picture)

We are not supporters of the process of multiplication of entities, so we will not fantasize, but will try to make a simple analysis in order to predict the consequences of this fascinating event which may affect you and me.

We see two options - Durov is put in jail and Durov is not put in jail.

1. Durov is put in jail. In this case, the owners and tops of social services are faced with the choice of a fork in the eye or to lie down unconditionally under the current EU authorities or to swerve out of Europe and never appear there again. Actually, Chris Pawlowski, founder of Rumble, has already done so.

A number of services are appearing that will not cooperate with the EU authorities under any pretext at all. That is, if earlier requests on pedophilia or terrorism could be worked out, now it will not happen at all, out of principle. Of course, the target contingent of unconscious citizens will immediately go there. And the European authorities will have two ways - either to put up with uncontrolled services, or to start cutting them at the level of traffic exchange points.

Our opinion is that the second way will be chosen, which means that the segmentation of the global network, which we have been talking about almost since the very beginning of the channel's existence, will become more and more obvious.

What will happen to Telegram in Russia in this case? Some kind of restrictions on messenger will be for sure, perhaps a full ban, as the probability of thermorectal cryptanalysis in French penitentiaries has not been canceled yet.

However, there is another option, in which, afraid of "European democratic values", the Telegram team will rush to Moscow and surrender to the "anal slavery by the bloody Gebna (FSB)", then everything will be fine with Telegram. And even possibly in the USA (if Trump comes to power) - they will dismantle the servers, one half of the world will be fed by the NSA and the other by the FSB. But there will probably be no Telegram left in the EU.

Ah, yes. There is also a fantastic option with the exchange of Durov for some hooligan. Or for Zhenya Berkovich.

2. Durov is not put in jail, he is fined/suspended sentence/whatever. In this case, Telegram as an independent confidential service basically ends. No, it is clear that it will work, the audience will remain, but it will be WhatsApp N2, not an advanced platform that cares about the privacy of users. The boldness of anonymous channels will also decrease.

In parallel, a group of countries opponents of the Western liberal model - Russia, Iran, China and others - will consistently curtail the presence of Telegram on their territory. And this will not be a fake fight in the form of removing the app from the AppStore, but real blocking by protocol.

Because even if Durov doesn't hand over anything to the French security services, everyone will think that he will.

So there will probably be less Telegram in Russia in the foreseeable future. But we are not going anywhere 😉 😉
 
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The only anecdotical proven device that I encountered is the Google Pixel 8 (8a, 8, 8 Pro) with Graphene OS rather than standard Android. Even CellBrite's press releases state that they're not able to access it, and there aren't privileged Google services running that can be exploited by Pegasus, especially since Graphene uses the memory tagging extension of the new Tensor processor on those. By default, Graphene also restricts GSM modem usage to 4G to reduce attack vectors on modem software and hardens application sandbox. Highly recommended.
Do you know if it's even possible for someone in the US to get the Graphene OS instead of Android when buying a Pixel 8?
 
Do you know if it's even possible for someone in the US to get the Graphene OS instead of Android when buying a Pixel 8?
Unfortunately, I don't, but the install process is really easy. What you practically need is the Chrome, Edge or Brave browser (as they have WebUSB extension). You can see in that video how easy it is:

Right now Google is releasing the Pixel 9, so I guess there will be discounts on the 8 model range. The best will be to get directly from the Google Store, as the carrier-provided device (as a part of the subscription plan) might be unable to unlock the bootloader in order to flash new firmware. I'm currently using the cheapest Pixel 6a as a daily driver, with bank applications or even Polish digital ID installed without any issues (on a separate user profile). Pixel 8 would be more secure because of the Armv8.5-MTE extension that is used in GrapheneOS and that excludes a class of buffer overflow attacks, which are the common ones exploited for a privilege escalation.

Keep in mind that the screen is an OLED one, and as I recall, you've had some issues with migraines. The way OLED implements dimming is by reducing the frequency of "bliking," which tricks our brains that the screen is dimmer. This can cause headaches in some people.
 
Tucker Carlson interviewed Durov a few months ago. Here's what Pavel Durov had to say about "not travelling to weird places."

Telegram Creator on Elon Musk, Resisting FBI Attacks, and Getting Mugged in California
Carlson: So one of things we learned when Elon Musk bought Twitter is that the Intel agencies, not just US, but a bunch of other countries (the usual suspects) were all over the company. Some of them were present working at the company. They had access to direct messages. Well, you know because you run one, but the wealth of data flowing through would be of great interest to governments. Does that make you paranoid that you'll be penetrated? I mean, I assume governments would like to know what's going on sort of privately on Telegram.
Durov: Well, there's definitely a lot of responsibility that we have on our shoulders, and I would say we are paranoid but I think it makes sense to stay prudent and not being too accessible, not travelling to weird places.
Carlson: You don't travel to weird places?
Durov: I hope not. I travel to places where I have confidence that those places are consistent with what we do and our values. I don't go to any of the big geopolitical powers (countries like China or Russia or the US).
Carlson: You don't go to the US?
Durov: I try not to. I can go but it's too much attention like I described before.
Carlson: Yeah, because at some point if you run something like this, you're a player in world politics whether you want to be or not, don't you think?
Durov: We definitely don't want to be a player. We want to be a neutral platform that is impartial and doesn't take any side, but you're probably right there's some role we have to play.
 
Carlson: Yeah, because at some point if you run something like this, you're a player in world politics whether you want to be or not, don't you think?
Durov: We definitely don't want to be a player. We want to be a neutral platform that is impartial and doesn't take any side, but you're probably right there's some role we have to play.
Once again, I just cannot comprehend the level of delusion of this guy. Like even a pub owner in a big city center knows far more about the mafia than a guy that raised more than a billion USD for his company... His delusion exposed his clients to the risk of privacy breach by the state. Just take a look at the UAE, of which he has citizenship; it's one of the most surveilled places on earth, according to surveillancewatch.io. How could it be that he's way worse informed than an average IT enthusiast? And it is said that his team are exceptional experts in their fields. Fishy.​
 
For me, there is no doubt that in the case of Durov, something should have happened that would have given him serious guarantees. It is reported here that this was an invitation from the President of France and this would definitely be a guarantee under normal conditions, but ...
If this is how it happened, then another bottom has been broken. Macron was not squeamish before (let's recall a "private" telephone conversation with Putin in the presence of journalists), but in this case he acted simply as a cheap provocateur.
Pavel Durov. It turns out that French President Macron lured him to France - he called him and offered to have dinner. Pavel told about this during police interrogation, according to the French newspaper Le Canard Enchaine. He couldn't refuse. Local politician Florian Philippot said that this is quite in the spirit of the French president.
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Для меня несомненно, что в случае с Дуровым должно было произойти нечто, что давало бы ему серьезные гарантии. Здесь сообщается, что это было приглашение президента Франции и это в нормальных условиях определенно было бы гарантией, но...
Если это случилось именно так, то пробито очередное дно. Макрон и раньше не отличался щепетильностью (вспомним "приватный" телефонный разговор с Путиным в присутствии журналистов), но в этом случае он выступил просто как дешевый провокатор.
 
If possible, avoid using any messaging app.
^--- This. 🙂

Cell Phones and mobile devices are by design inherently insecure. It is literally not possible to use one securely or privately.

It is possible to get pretty good communication privacy by using a desktop computer. Sadly, fewer people even own a computer anymore.

I see this on the crypto-currency forums. Guys show up asking how to buy Monero securely and privately on their mobile device because they don't own a computer. They become angry when I tell them "you can't".

When I inquire as to why they don't own a computer, they say they don't want to pay more for internet service because the phone or iPad they bought at Wal-Mart comes with 5g.

Desktop computers are returning to being the "weird nerd hobby" they were in 1985 when I bought a used, broken Apple II from a car stereo shop in Austin, TX for $200.

I think this is a bad thing because it decreases the amount of self-sovereignty in the world.



The only anecdotical proven device that I encountered is the Google Pixel 8 (8a, 8, 8 Pro) with Graphene OS rather than standard Android.

Cell phones cannot be made secure and still interact with the cell network.

See: International Mobile Equipment Identity - Wikipedia
 
Cell phones cannot be made secure and still interact with the cell network.

See: International Mobile Equipment Identity - Wikipedia
I think that you're conflating privacy with security. It's true that security is a means to ensure privacy. But having a cell operator know of a person's current location (it happens even without a SIM installed) isn't necessary to violate someone's sense of privacy. Most modern smartphones have a modem separated via hardware IOMMU, which means that even if it's exploited or backdoored, it cannot access your screen contents, for example. You can even desolder the microphone, as Edward Snowden does, and use a USB headset for calls to isolate modem even more.

That's why I tried to define the threat someone realistically might face, as the EU is going totalitarian. I can see the situation of someone's smartphone being snatched by the police and Cellbrite'd because he was on an anti-WHO manifestation that went wrong because of agent provocateurs. Or being forced to install an app for yet another quarantine monitoring or army recruitment that monitors location. GrapheneOS is known for not being exploitable by Cellbrite, can spoof location, give application only a subset of your address book you want, or deny internet access to a specific app. It's the best you can get without sacrificing convenient participation in our modern society.

We can debate how desktop computers are insecure, how, for example, every Linux kernel release provides some more or less critical regressions, and how the application sandbox there is non-existent. How even it's not easy to boot a desktop computer and be sure that you've booted an operating system that wasn't modified when you were partying at night in some pub. Some are even opening PDF files in a separate virtual machine on their Qubes OS :whistle:
 
For me, there is no doubt that in the case of Durov, something should have happened that would have given him serious guarantees. It is reported here that this was an invitation from the President of France and this would definitely be a guarantee under normal conditions, but ...
If this is how it happened, then another bottom has been broken. Macron was not squeamish before (let's recall a "private" telephone conversation with Putin in the presence of journalists), but in this case he acted simply as a cheap provocateur.

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Для меня несомненно, что в случае с Дуровым должно было произойти нечто, что давало бы ему серьезные гарантии. Здесь сообщается, что это было приглашение президента Франции и это в нормальных условиях определенно было бы гарантией, но...
Если это случилось именно так, то пробито очередное дно. Макрон и раньше не отличался щепетильностью (вспомним "приватный" телефонный разговор с Путиным в присутствии журналистов), но в этом случае он выступил просто как дешевый провокатор.
If we consider the information i posted earlier in this thread, coming from a friend of mine who animates an TG channel, then all become clear : Macron was simply requested, or better say obliged, by his jews master(s), to trap & arrest Durov.
Anyone has access to the full article of Haaretz I posted ? This article gives, upon what my friend said, the real (or lone maybe) reason why he was arrested.

He also posted the following 2 days before, the 26, i translate to english :
Pavel Durov has been charged by the Paris Prosecutor's Office, which has brought no fewer than 12 criminal charges against him.

Any sensible person can understand that the founder of VK and Telegram is not a criminal and that this case has nothing to do with the fight against paedophilia, terrorism or anything else on Telegram.

Don't listen to people who delude you by telling you this or that nonsense about the NSA, CIA or FBI pulling the strings at the Paris prosecutor's office.

The Americans don't run anything. They don't run anything, and we've all known that since they assassinated Kennedy.
The president of the world's leading military, economic, financial and technological power.

We're not talking about Mahmad in Babushistan or Samba the Lion of West Sudan. We're talking about Kennedy. The man who said that the Capitol was in the hands of the Mafia.

You all know who did that.
It was MOSSAD.
They are the only ones capable of committing this type of crime.
Do you think this is conspiracy?
Then go back over the history of the Dimona inspection to Rubinstein and think again.

Here, it's exactly the same film all over again. What the sons of Remphan cannot buy and control, they destroy.

The Jews control the world and it has taken them over 2,000 years to achieve near-perfection, but people like Durov or Fuellmich in Germany are grains of sand in the lock of their Kosher lock-in project.
They know it and we know it.

They can't afford to screw things up this close to the mark. That would be inconceivable. Unforgivable.
This hack has driven them completely mad.

‘Israel for the last?
I don't know about that. It doesn't seem like it.
We're in a real war with real deaths and the trap is getting tighter and tighter.
Fuellmich is in jail and it's not his clone who's banging his head against the walls in solitary confinement.
This PsyOp is something Machiavellian and you only have to look at what's happening in Palestine and Ukraine to understand that.

In short. Never forget that all roads lead to the people of Remphan. If you always analyse the facts from the Jewish point of view, you will always see things more logically.
As the other guy said, if you think like everyone else, take a break and think!

When we know that France is fully controlled by Israel, this looks like a good theory.
Then we can figure out that of course Micron is not happy, not at all i would even say, but he's trapped too, he's more than probably heavily blackmailed that he would do anything not to loose its grasp on the country.
 
I think that you're conflating privacy with security.​

I am, because they are so closely related.

Since it's not possible to use the cell networks privately or securely, I always advise people to never do anything on a cell phone you would dislike a District Attorney describing to the cameras of your local TV news station.

I think it's a good policy.
 
Good Tucker interview yesterday on why FedGov wants to control Telegram.

Mike Benz of the Foundation for Freedom Online explains that the CIA pays Telegram Group Admins to censor and propagandize their groups to align with U.S. policy goals.

He explains that FedGov's goals are to stamp out all American Populism, and to foment revolutions in countries the U.S. wants to control.

Worth a watch.


Sharpening my chainsaws in my shop today is taking forever because I keep having to stop, take off my filthy gloves, and re-wind the video. 🙂
 
In keeping with Tim Walz's recent redefinition of free speech on MSNBC, "There’s no guarantee to free speech on misinformation or hate speech and especially around our democracy,” the same concept, and Pavel Durov's detention, are being used by other leftists increasingly to target Elon Musk for the same treatment.


"Elon Musk is out of control" smacks of a Freudian slip. "Regulators around the world" smacks of global government. Reich seems not so smart.
 
John Helmer writes about Telegram as Pavel Durov's debt scheme. He also sells user data.


Naivety is not what Durov signed his name to in Telegram’s financial reports.

They reveal he is running a debt pyramid,
replenishing the annual deficit between his expenditures and his income with new borrowings whose cost of servicing amounted in 2023 to 46% of his revenues. The leaked papers also disclose that his losses last year came to $259.3 million, although Durov managed to reduce that to $173.2 million by claiming offsetting digital assets had jumped in value. To support such valuation manipulations and his public claims of Telegram’s $30 billion market value, the small print of the auditor’s notes reveal that Durov uses his own digital money to boost the appearance of rising Telegram subscription numbers and demand for the company’s bonds — 15,000 subs and $64 million in bonds, to be precise.

As for protecting Telegram user privacy, Durov acknowledges that after subtracting $130 million in self-accounting “integrated wallet” value from his bottom-line revenue of $342.5 million, over the past year he sold “collectibles” for $17.8 million – almost 9%. This item is defined in the report as “usernames, virtual phone numbers…The related revenue is recognised at a point in time when the collectible is assigned to the user. The Group also enables the sale of collectibles between users and receives the fee for facilitating the sale.”

I didn't know this, but the Russian military made a policy to ban Telegram, but this was relaxed after users had a fit about it.
Durov’s arrest, and the interest the French authorities have declared in obtaining the encryption keys to the Telegram operations, have accelerated the debate in Russia over the operational security of the Telegram app when it is used informally by Russian troops, in the reports published by Russian war correspondents in the combat zone and the military bloggers, as well as in more formal, operational uses by military organizations.

“Fierce disputes about the importance of the [Telegram] service for the army in Russia have already been conducted,” reports the oppositionist platform Meduza in Riga, “most recently, in July, when the State Duma passed a law on the appointment of a guardhouse for military personnel using ‘civilian’ gadgets. Then, under the pressure of criticism from ‘military commanders’ and pro-military bloggers — they feared that the ban would deprive the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation of high-quality communications — the rule was relaxed…In fact, Telegram is actively used by the military, especially at the tactical level and in the rear. In this capacity, the message platform won a competition from Whatsapp at the beginning of the full-scale war, mainly due to rumours about the lack of security of the latter: the opinion quickly spread at the front that the US intelligence service has access to all chats on the platform owned by American Meta, which in turn shares data with Ukraine.”

So that seems to be a major flaw in operational security, If the user data is for sale, and that is public knowledge, I think it is likely it that the Telegram information made its way into NATO's hands. Not that it will help them much, but Telegram is far from an apolitical privacy and security platform.
 
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