Jordan Peterson interviewing Dr. Fredrick W. Kagan from the US, military schools. "Expert in Russian military studies” PhD in Soviet and Russian military history from Yale. About the war in Ukraine.
Kagan’s position is” blame Putin”, Glory to Ukraine, we have to sort out and go after others like India who aren’t condemning Putin. And more. Basically, the west story in a nutshell. Nothing mentioned about the Minsk or NATO agreements.
For Peterson's part, I never heard him say yes, I agree, or buy in to the perspective, but he did give a good airing of Kagan's viewpoints to his millions of followers around the world.
I'm reminded that during his first tour, I believe it was in Holland, that he said “my son gave me some advice, he said, if I stick to the things I “know” I’ll be ok, so that’s good advice and I plan on doing that” (food for thought)
Well Friday night on the town with my friends from work got very interesting once we started to drink "Stolichnaya". Only this makes people open up.
Although I have a bit of a hangover, I think it is the right state of mind to be in to listen to this.
Right off the bat I hear Kagan do the usual shtick,
Russians are wimps and slow. It's taken them so long because Ukrainian Army is a force to be reckoned with. OK. Looking at the calendar and everything is clear about what is happening there.
"People around the World have united in quite a remarkable manner"
Yes Jordan, just like the People around the World united
to wear masks forever, especially young kids in school. They are united and supportive of police beating up peaceful protesters in Toronto. They are united in supporting Ukraine where neo-nazi groups have their own battalions
DURING PEACE TIME, and are supported by US taxpayer money.
Yes, the World Is United. Amazing Unity.
"Unprecedented protests in Russia."
Sure, it must be in the millions all hoping that Navalny and Khodorkovsky will come and bring Democracy to Russia. I bet the people are probably making little shrines at home and praying to them. Is it possible that perhaps some of the protest are mislabeled and are really to support the government ? Neh, near impossible as the media in the west would know it and report it if that was true.
"Putin didn't prepare his people for this war."
To say this is to assume that the audience are ignorant. Oh yes, I forgot, the audience is ignorant
BUT NOT ALL of them on JP channel.
Holy Smokes, it takes stamina to continue to listen to this.
"This is a war against Ukraine"
Which Ukraine are we talking about ? Is it the Ukraine that owns nearly everything in Ukraine and just left Ukraine with their families in Bentleys/BMW/Mercedes to European countries ??? Is it the Ukraine that is living now in expensive hotels and parting in Hungary, Moldova etc ? What Ukraine are you talking about.
There is no united Ukraine. It's a house divided and in chaos since 1990's thanks to people like Kagan.
"The UN vote shows ....."
Since when has UN mattered in anything. People in that building are on vacation. I bet nearly all of them don't know what real work is. It's a convenient meeting place to talk to reps. from any country but fixing the world, no way.
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Biden administration very skillfully conducted, an
information diplomatic campaign. That stripped away from Putin all of the efforts that he was making to give himself any kind of
informational cover, to make it look like Ukraine had started this. ..."
All is clear, Tsar Putin started it for no good reason other than glory and to bring back to life the USSR Empire. That bombing of the Eastern Ukraine before Russia entered Ukraine was just defensive activity of the neo-nazi battalions there, reacting to encroachment by the "green men" and the rebels. Excellent stuff from the Dr.
In a way, if you read between the lines, he is exposing how the West operates. By saturating MSM with the narrative that "We are the Good Guys", Western interventions have the
"Information Cover" to act more confidently without the fear that the sheep will figure out what is really going on.
"Information Cover" simply means "Propaganda", a word if used today has a negative connotation.
"What could we have done to avoid the war?"
Listen how at 13:00 min Pederson asks a good question and Kagan has to pause, roll his eyes and quickly dream up something. The
ONLY OPTION was
to fight with Ukrainians but that is out of the question.
Boots on the ground is only reserved for weak countries like Vietnam or Iraq. The woke politicians in Finland and Sweden better think long and hard.
On this question the two of them can be seen to be very uncomfortable (Kagan shifting in his chair) and lost. I sense unease, so as not to broach the subject of
"Sitting down and negotiating". God forbid negotiating with Evil Tsar Putin.
"Putin only understands force"
Found at around 14 min. Worth listening to this segment to see how all over the place Kagan finds himself. Like a vampire he
searches for ways to avoid mentioning diplomacy to solve the problem.
So why didn't NATO/US go in and help Ukraine before Russia flooded Ukraine ? The border to enter it is right there. Because there is
no one at home who is willing to fight with the Ukrainians. They just finished 20 yrs in Afghanistan achieving
NOTHING but paying trillions to do it.
"Why are sanction viewed by leadership as a credible deterrent?" or "Why use them at all since they hurt the little people the hardest ?"
(15:50 min) Now the Vampire is boiling as he sees the garlic right in front of him. In this segment he admits that sanction would not stop Putin (next logical question would be
"So what exactly got him so excited that he would do this?"). So if they knew this, WHY DIDN'T NATO/US enter Ukraine and help with boots on the ground ? Answer is already clear from my comments above, IMHO.
"What are out preconditions so that we can move on ?"
(18:10 min)
Answer:
"Our basic preconditions is Russians get the hell out".
"There are Russians war crimes being committing."
"There will be war crimes trials"
Expect this to be loud as hell, Nuremberg II. Nuremberg I was a show trial but that subject is a bit too complicated to explain in few sentences. This version of Nuremburg will be loud and colorful.
The crescendo will be an Oscar winning movie by Sean Penn using computer animation from Spielberg.
I've seen videos where clearly Ukrainian army is inside someones apartment. Are Russians doing this fighting the Ukrainians ? Kagan would probably answer yes.
The best outcome that he sees is that the Ukrainian (Azov/Idar/Pravy Sektor + Regular) Army defeat the Russians.
With Western arms aid this could happen. He then compares this possibility with the Russian-Japanese war 1904 where,
Without lifting a gun, Jacob H. Schiff crushed the Czarist army and plunged its finest battleships down to a watery grave ! Schiff, a direct descendant of the Maharam Schiff, was born in Frankfurt in 5607/1847. Although he studied at Rav Samson Raphael Hirsch’s religious school, it can hardly be said that he kept to his alma mater’s standards once he had left for the US at the age of eighteen. Instead, he devoted his energies to high fi nance and became managing director of Kuhn, Loeb & Co., one of the two most influential private international banking houses of the Western Hemisphere.
strangeside.com
This is a very clever website. Why ? Just enter this address in your browser --->
The Strange Side of Jewish History | Yated Neeman's Jewish history
It's almost like only those that know are able to access what is there. I found the link about thanks to DuckDuck using Shiff as one of the keywords. He was a busy banker in his days, Soros of today.
"The ONLY thing West should be "working for" is that the Ukrainian military defeats Russia."
He has no other proposals, now that says it all.
"Right now we have wounded angry bear. Animals like that are very unpredictable (Sic)."
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We will squeeze Russia to death if he does not back off. We will not squeeze it to death if he does back off."
Perderson than asks (22:40 min) if there are
any alternatives to the above.
"
NO"
"Putin is to blame. The Administration (Biden) is not to blame"
From this point on he is suggesting that NOT ENOUGH troops were in Eastern Europe and that more needed to be brought in. Lets start
Cold War 3. 2 was invisible once 1 finished.
Pederson bought the idea that Russia acted irrationally and that the World is behind West/NATO/US. In a way he is right, which is clearly seen with how this works in the Con-19 Theatric. Con-19 and Russia entry in Ukraine are synchronized but not because Putin works with the Global Cabal. Global Cabal simply left him with only one option which was to enter Ukraine. They ramped up military activity in Ukraine and the Black Sea after 2014 coup d'état which finally allowed them to play the card at their discretion. The right time was when Con-19 con job started to unravel and the NS II pipe was finished. That's my reading of tea tea leaves.
Almost right