Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

Alejo

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Don’t get me wrong, it is perfectly understandable that you feel the way you do under those dire circumstances. I don’t presume for a moment to even have a remote idea of what you are going through on daily basis but I do have a rough idea what a toll it must be emotionally and physically. So, hang in there and I hope you will find some hope soon! It is understandable that you are very emotional about all of it and that it is very hard to not express yourself in that way under those conditions. I don’t know if it is possible for you, considering the circumstances, or if you have tried it, but maybe try to meditate or at least calm yourself down for a while in other ways, daily? It might proof to be very helpful for you and the people around you.
This is a good idea, because it is true that no one here can understand what you're going through exactly. But at the same time, distant as it may seem, someone else's more grounded view of the situation isn't wrong, just because they're not in your shoes.

And in terms of grounding, all I could perhaps say, and I don't mean to sound dismissive is, there's also a practical reality to a military conflict, and violence, however well intended, will always be violence and that will always cause destruction. Russia is imperfect, Putin is indeed imperfect, and so are their actions, but they're doing what no one else in the world is doing for the rest of the world.

I think expecting or hoping for them to swing into town, eliminate all threats and then remain to ensure that they never return is a bit unrealistic, considering who they're fighting against. Specially when those who they're fighting against are a group for whom the very chaos and destruction that troubles the soul is a goal in itself.

it is a military confrontation, but it is not being fought with the rules of war, where when one side is defeated they will retreat, it's a conflagration of everything evil in the planet, torturing Ukraine and pushing her into suicide, against the only nation that would stand against it.. imperfectly, but bravely.

I don't want to get too carried away, so perhaps let me summarize it by saying that, having realistic expectations might help you find some peace and help you navigate the events around you Lumiere, expecting perfection from Russia.. specially in the circumstances they're operating, could only make things worse, IMHO.
 

truepositive

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A lofty speech may well be convincing, but intent rarely reads off a blank page.
Surely i do not need to remind you all of the works of David Icke and everyone contemporary, lest we importantly forget Alan Watt for example (no, not Alan Watts). It is a rather big move to elevate a singular power figure above all of the treachery and selfishness that has been happening over millenia. While history is shaky upon it's own scientific 'fundamentals' it does appear increasingly more like Cremo, Hancock and such have the correct approach to a real picture. Shit i even would reference Laurence Gardner and Jonathan Black here, if only we could sift the fiction from the truth in those narratives.

The god in the talmud is a vengeful and strange entity that got snuck into the old testament. The almost endless dragon/ reptile symbology around the world is baffling, yet ties into this. The new design of the vatican congegration room has zero bearing on anything tied to real Christianity. There has been something deeply wrong with this planet for a long time despite 'our better angels'. To pin hopes on something completely out of our hands, and forces that have alot of blood on theirs, expecting the whole paradigm to change, is folly to me. Power corrupts, which is why a different modus operandi is the only answer. Few people recognize the tragedy of real democracy dying within 4 generations back in old Greece.

Yes i covered subjects that you could write several thousand books about. It is what it is, we are running out of time.
This is a spiritual conflict, and i have seen declarations of war come from every country, including Russia.
 

mabar

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Russia halts gas delivery to Italy – Eni​

"Gazprom informed the company that it’s is unable to transport supplies via Austria"

Gazprom is working on a solution to the problem together with Italian buyers,” the company stated."

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I can't enter/read the article, it takes too long or the page is out of order. I am taking it from here Russian gas stops flowing to Italy after Austria refuses 'to confirm nominations', something funny - to say, it's happening in Italy.

It's important to note most of the Russian NatGas delivered to Italy flows through Ukraine via the Trans Austria Gas Pipeline to Tarvisio in northern Italy on the border with Austria. Before Russia invaded Ukraine, Italy imported 95% of its NatGas, of which 45% came from Russia.

Those figures are drastically different today as Italy rejiggers its energy supply chain away from Russia and finds alternative supplies of NatGas from North Africa. Before this weekend, Russian NatGas accounted for only 10% of Italy's imports. The new suppliers will help Italy boost storage levels ahead of winter.
Comment: The question for everyone in Europe is: have they found sufficient supplies from elsewhere to cover the loss of Russia's energy exports? Most have not. And, if not, then that means they will have to find ways to live without the energy that they're used to; which thus far have included a whole range of ridiculous, and deadly, ideas, including restricting the temperature homes, offering 'heat islands' to freezing residents, as well as 'voluntary' rolling blackouts.
I don't think so, and yet - Italian authorities and companies - have the luxury of exporting gas.

Italy doesn't get gas from Russia but exports it: here's what's happening
Gazprom has announced that it is unable to confirm the required gas volumes and therefore cannot supply gas to customer countries, including Italy. The announcement comes through Eni, which confidently says it will give updates in case supplies are restored in the future. And while the flow of gas in Italy stalls, the peninsula exports it.

Russian gas in Italy now amounts to less than 10 percent, so the suspension does not particularly affect the Italian energy situation. Eni has boosted gas supplies to Italy from other partners, and the plan is to continue to diversify supplies
The supply coming in from Algeria far exceeds the flow coming in from Russia and now interrupted. If other suppliers are added, Repubblica points out, Italy can be said to have ended up as an exporter. In fact, some 18 million cubic meters of gas are reported to be exported to Central and Northern Europe where prices are higher than in our country. In fact, Italian methane costs a third of the European average, and thanks to the storage set aside with the savings plan implemented since late summer, we have become a gas exporter.
Lovely! :umm: And the Italians, who are paying for energy and gas at exorbitant prices, where do they stand in this matter?

Electricity has gone up, gas is not clear to me but, they have changed the billing format to monthly so that people can pay for it.

It seems that certain greedy people -authorities in collusion with companies- are making a lot of money at the expense of the citizens, for a change and not to lose the habit. Because I say, they know this too:

As of today, gas bill rises another 59% and Italy's supplies are in short supply
Bill doubled in year. Italy, through the Gries Pass, sold its own gas bought from the Russians at higher prices in early 2022. Supplies from abroad amount to 90 percent of the gas used in Italy, and stocks cover only 10 percent of requirements. In essence, the 9 storage facilities operating in Italy today contain about 17 billion cubic meters of gas, including the so-called "strategic reserve," which amounts to 4.5 billion cubic meters that can be used in extreme cases only with permission from the Ministry of Economic Development. So? If from a reserve of 17 billion cubic meters we subtract 4.5 billion cubic meters (in fact, not usable for current operations because they are reserved for extraordinary events), that leaves 12.5 billion in stockpiles. And if we have 80 percent stockpiles today, that means we have 10 billion cubic meters in storage out of 76 billion needs
IF they had told you in JANUARY 2020 that you would be locked in your homes for months because of lockdowns, you would not have believed it. So, if we told you today that you might be stuck at home in the cold and dark from here on out, would you believe it? Here, know that we are not talking about an impossible eventuality; on the contrary. So far we have been reassured by the mantra: "if we don't get any more gas from Russia, we still have 80 percent gas supplies." But what does that mean?
The stockpile is in essence a storage facility. An old disused quarry or purpose-built metal reservoirs can be exploited to store the gas. The rock used as a reservoir should be porous and permeable to the right degree, and the volume of gas that the quarry can accommodate and the mobility of the gas in the reservoir, as well as the time that will be spent on gas injection or extraction operations, depend on this balance. Overburden rock is used to stop leaks and generally consists of impermeable material such as clay. If we were to house our supplies in such "coffers," how many would we need? A staggering number, which precisely makes such a possibility improbable for a country like Italy, which consumes 76 to 82 billion cubic meters of gas annually (depending on whether the winter is more or less cold).

What is the purpose of "stockpiling"? To meet market demands, ensure the balance between supply and demand, guarantee elasticity in the supply of production facilities, and ensure the presence of "strategic" reserves, useful in exceptional situations such as intense cold, or international crises that compromise arrivals from abroad. But beware: supplies from abroad amount to about 90 percent of the gas used in Italy. This means that stocks cover only 10% of requirements. Basically, the 9 storage facilities operating in Italy today contain about 17 billion cubic meters of gas, including the so-called "strategic reserve," which amounts to 4.5 billion cubic meters, usable in extreme cases, only with permission from the Ministry of Economic Development. So? If from a reserve of 17 billion cubic meters we subtract 4.5 billion cubic meters (in fact, not usable for current operations because they are reserved for extraordinary events) we are left with 12, 5 billion stocks. So if we have 80 percent stockpiles today, that means we have 10 billion cubic meters in storage out of 76 billion needs.
Can we be comfortable? Not so much. On Russian gas (whose price has remained unchanged thanks to a contract valid until 2036, not subject to the dances of speculation) we can hardly count on. In addition to the three leaks due to the "accident" in the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, the statement by the Russian giant Gazprom is alarming: there is a risk that Moscow will sanction Naftogaz, the Ukrainian network operator from which gas for us comes. The company, if this were the case, would not be able to make gas payments, and this would put flows at risk. According to reconstructions by Bloomberg news agency, which cites sources familiar with our energy dossier, Italy would have reached "a sufficient level of storage filling and supply diversification to enable it to get through the winter without serious consequences even if Russia were to completely and suddenly stop sending gas" [Read Here (Gazprom: "Gas flowing through Ukraine also at risk of stop." Bloomberg: 'Italy able to do without Russian supplies' ].

But if our stockpiles were really calculated by the mechanism we have outlined above, how could we be comfortable, having only 10 billion cubic meters out of 76? What real stocks is Bloomberg talking about, basing the optimistic prediction of our self-sufficiency on those Well, you will say, we still have liquefied gas bought from the Americans at an astronomical price. But with what regasifiers will we put it on the grid, considering that of the two new regasifiers, the first one, if it goes well, will come on line in spring 2023, while the other three, already in operation, have reached maximum capacity and cannot expand it?

It is true that today, from Norway, we are getting the gas that the five largest American companies, which have been drilling in the North Sea for years, are selling to us. It is already coming from the pipe that goes through Switzerland, and it comes to Italy via Passo Gries
. But at what price will we get it? In what quantity, considering that all of Europe needs it, and the production capacity of the platforms is not extendable indefinitely? In this regard, it is interesting to know that, via Passo Gries, in the first months of the year, Italy sold, at high prices, its gas (bought from the Russians, at lower prices) [read here]. Has a real speculation been set in motion? The Foglio, in a September 20 article, laughing at the "plotters," spoke of "outflows" of gas from Italy. But if Italy does not produce gas, what flows are we talking about, perhaps precisely those of speculative re-selling? [read here].

And then, considering that the conflict in Ukraine could turn into a real nuclear war, it is worth reasoning about dates. On March 8, two weeks after the Russian invasion, there was already talk of replacing Russian gas with gas coming in from Norway, of which, as written earlier, we are being supplied [read here]. Why were serious peace negotiations not attempted? Perhaps so as not to get in the way of a colossal deal, in which the losers are the Italian citizens harassed by their bills? (Arera has announced an additional 60 percent increase for October).

Here, if you are told that the risk of energy lockdown is high, as is the shutdown of Italian companies, don't take anyone who tells you that as crazy. The margin of uncertainty has never been greater.

Gas bills become monthly, no longer just bimonthly. Here are all the changes
Our energy authority, Arera, has granted a request promoted by the National Consumers Union. As of October, gas bills for those on the greater protection regime, or 7.3 million domestic customers, will be able to be monthly and no longer bimonthly. This is excellent news because it allows us to control future expenses more, letting us know how much we are spending on gas month by month and to intervene promptly to tighten our belts, that is, turn off the taps. Intervention this has an impact in winter for those with gas heating. Arera, the official communiqué reads, has deemed it necessary to take into account "the need to provide for a greater billing periodicity within the protection service so as to allow end customers to know their spending more frequently and to redistribute bill payments over several months." While for now this initiative touches only one in seven citizens, it could be a first step for this initiative to be taken up by all industry players and extended to all customers. After all, that of billing on a quarterly basis is only a convention.
But the real positive news is another. Arera has decided to decouple the price of Italian gas from the price set in Amsterdam, the reference exchange for European gas prices. What does this mean? At the moment little, but it leaves room for European policies of price intervention no longer in the hands of volatile market speculation. In other words, there is a shift from taking as a reference no longer the forward prices of the Amsterdam wholesale market, the Ttf, but the average of the actual prices of the Italian PSV wholesale market. Faced with the surge in gas prices (on Monday, September 26, falling below 173 euros, but reaching well over 300 euros per MWh in August), Arera, the note goes on to say, has decided to disengage from the European market, and this in order to be able to "promptly transfer the benefit of any European initiatives to contain energy commodity prices to end customers."
Positive???

Indeed, it should be mentioned that several European countries, Italy in the lead, are moving to try to put the infamous "cap" on gas prices. Fourteen countries including Italy, Belgium, Greece and Poland have in fact prepared a letter for the EU Commission with a price cap proposal so that it can be discussed at the Energy Council on Friday.

The latest of the changes is that the updating of tariffs will be ex post and no longer ex ante as was the case until now, thus decoupling price changes related to electricity from those on gas. Which means that at the end of this month, most likely on Thursday the 29th, only the electricity tariffs for the usual three months will be updated (with the expectation of substantial increases, since electricity is tied to the price of gas, which rose again in the third quarter), while determining the price of gas for the month of October alone will have to wait until early November. And so it will be for the months to come. For Marco Vignola, head of the energy sector of the National Consumers Union, in this way "it will be possible to avoid making consumers pay the crazy price of gas they had in August, which would have sent household budgets into a tailspin."
That was before Gazprom stopped sending gas to Italy, however
And here comes the sore point: having chosen to consider the price ex post instead of ex ante may have negative consequences for consumers. Arera stipulates that in case of "recalculation" of the amounts of the cost of raw material previously billed, "operators are required to give appropriate information to customers." In practice, if the invoice received at the end of the month does not reflect the actual gas price trends, any price differences will be equalized in the next bill. But this news, according to nonprofit Consumerism, implies that: "Transparency is eliminated altogether, because consumers will not be able to know the price of gas in advance, but will only find out after consuming it."
Indeed, it should be mentioned that several European countries, Italy in the lead, are moving to try to put the infamous "cap" on gas prices. Fourteen countries including Italy, Belgium, Greece and Poland have in fact prepared a letter for the EU Commission with a price cap proposal so that AND, in the meantime, new price increases for electricity and gas are in sight. Arera has done the math again and will announce the adjustment for bills at the end of the month. Recall that, according to estimates by Assoutenti, each Italian family will find itself paying 1,231 euros more than in 2020 for electricity and gas bills alone (in the first 9 months of the year, so without the new adjustment), with energy spending rising in the two-year period 2021-2022 by a total of +92.7 percent. In 2022, as a result of tariff increases and despite the measures adopted by the government, total energy spending will thus rise to 2,558 euros per household (1,516 euros for gas, 1,042 euros for electricity). And the association's forecast for 2023 is anything but optimistic. "Considering the current sharply rising trend in electricity and gas prices," says Furio Truzzi, president of Assoutenti, "in the absence of a national or European freeze on tariffs and effective interventions to counter them, in 2023 the bill for energy supplies could reach 5,266 euros per household: 3,052 euros for the gas bill, 2,214 euros for the electricity bill, with a growth in energy spending of +300% compared to 2020.

In addition, as if that were not enough:
Toward the end of the protected market
Protection services are electricity and natural gas supply services with economic (price) and contractual conditions defined by the Authority intended for small end customers (such as households and microenterprises) who have not yet chosen a seller in the free market.

The regulations provided for the gradual transition from the protected market to the free market, stipulating the dates from which price protection services will no longer be available:
For the electricity supply of small businesses and micro-enterprises with a committed capacity of more than 15 kW, price protection ended on January 1, 2021 (read more).

For other micro-enterprises, the end of price protection for electricity is set for January 1, 2023, the same date when protection for household gas supplies will also end. On the other hand, the end of greater electricity protection for households is set for Jan. 10, 2024, the deadline by which graduated protection service will be assigned to household electricity customers who had not yet chosen a free market supplier at that time, guaranteeing continuity of supply.

It is still possible to switch to the free market at any time, even before the aforementioned dates, choosing the vendor and type of contract that best suits your needs."

End customers who are in the protected market for the supply of electricity will receive from January 2018, according to modalities defined by the Authority, communications in their bills from their vendor in relation to the gradual overcoming of price protections.
The thing about freeing the market price, reminded me of when Peña Nieto -former president of Mexico- freed the price of gasoline in 2017 and, alas! products and services went up and continue with leaps and bounds. He "had" to apply a special tax to the citizens so that foreign companies would pay for the investment and earn what was projected, in this matter of energies there is a lot of rot.
 

truepositive

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'Free' energy already exists, this is the great robbery of the ages. Siphoning humanity's potential great works into nonsense and destruction. The green agenda is a worldwide mafia racket along with the financial system as of late. It is all geared towards a neo-feudal system with high tech control measures.

We need to urgently lose the conception that 'society must be saved' because it does not.
 

Laura

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Well, I've been declared schizophrenic, fine. You from other parts of the world know better what is going on in front of my eyes and in other places. And people's homes are destroying themselves, probably because they don't want to be part of Ukraine, not because someone is destroying them with rockets and hundreds of shells from rocket artillery, covering areas equal to several soccer fields - because that is exactly the "accuracy" of MLRS fire. I can't say that destroying 50 houses around just to try to cover one military facility or position is a justifiable move. And in that, Russian tactics are not much different than American or Ukrainian tactics. But of course you know better from Europe or Canada.
There's a lot more I would say, but I just don't see any point in it now. It doesn't interest anyone.

LdC, there is an old saying that applies here: "you cannot see the forest for the trees." You are in the middle of the situation, but the situation, the problems/solutions and ways out are way bigger than what surrounds you and concerns you immediately. Yes, that is difficult to parse when you are beleaguered, but it is nonetheless true.
 

f1esk

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The forces defending Krasny Lyman withdrew to Rubizhnoye. The attempt to encircle the Russians failed. A new front line to prevent an attempt to break further into the depths of the LPR.

The Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation approved documents on the admission of the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions to Russia.
Tomorrow, the decision to accept new regions as part of Russia is to be approved at a meeting of the State Duma.

Will the army deploy after that? Let's see.
 

Nienna

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For those of you who are emotionally driven in this situation, and understandably so, I am reposting a part of keit's post that you should all take to heart:
Please refrain from sharing emotionally loaded opinions and statements. Until recently this thread was an important source of information. But gradually it became a thread that some may actually avoid, primarily due to the high level of disputes and arguments. Perhaps something like this is acceptable on many other forums, but not here. Here we aim to THINK before we post.
You can always start another thread if you like to discuss these things.
 

Adobe

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FROM THE MIND OF MARIA

"Foxes are fighting for chickens’ rights," the diplomat wrote"

MOSCOW, October 1. /TASS/. Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said that the UK’s offer to assist Denmark in the investigation into sabotage at the Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines resembled "foxes fighting for chickens’ rights."

 

Michael B-C

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As for Turkey, it is quite obvious that no one recognizes these referendums and their accession to Russia. Even Belarus - an ally of Russia - is simply beyond the real world law.

When it comes to the issue of recognition of these referendum or not it is worthwhile remembering this is a misnomer and something of a red herring. By their incorporation into Russia they effectively and instantly cease to become states in need of international recognition as they are now as Russian as Moscow. Thus no one has to recognize them to legitimatize them as they legally no longer exist as separate entities. So when you hear countries like Turkey saying such and such in public this is pure gamesmanship - playing along with the western narrative on the one hand so as to maintain the air of disapproval whilst with the other and on the very same day Erdoğan calls to have a friendly chat with Putin. The Russians need no recognition of their own soil - its theirs and Russia itself cannot exactly be unrecognized by anyone! Game over.
 

Ocean

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f1esk

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When it comes to the issue of recognition of these referendum or not it is worthwhile remembering this is a misnomer and something of a red herring. By their incorporation into Russia they effectively and instantly cease to become states in need of international recognition as they are now as Russian as Moscow. Thus no one has to recognize them to legitimatize them as they legally no longer exist as separate entities. So when you hear countries like Turkey saying such and such in public this is pure gamesmanship - playing along with the western narrative on the one hand so as to maintain the air of disapproval whilst with the other and on the very same day Erdoğan calls to have a friendly chat with Putin. The Russians need no recognition of their own soil - its theirs and Russia itself cannot exactly be unrecognized by anyone! Game over.
All this is true - we in Russia absolutely do not care about the opinion of Western governments, and tantrums cause smiles.
However, there are a number of problems with these recognitions - the economic relations of these republics and regions with other states. Due to sanctions and lack of recognition, you cannot deal directly with them and they will have to deal with these problems in a roundabout way. I hope that all this will be resolved. In any case, now, first of all, we need to take care of the survival of these regions.
 
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