Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

I don't know if anyone has ever taken the plunge and tried and debated Putin with a brainwashed Western mind?
There are numerable situations where there is an opportunity to discuss or engage with people with a different position. Since February, there has on the local FB profiles been debates about the conflict in Ukraine, and when these few people post on their page, there have often been others who just responded to repeat unsubstantiated accusations or attack the person posting personally without engaging in the discussion.

While some of these get blocked, depending on the tolerance of the page owner, others don't. In the comments to these posts, sometimes one can forward an argument or find additional evidence that supports the position of the post made, assuming it had some truth in it. In this way, the people who wish to understand the nuances are encouraged, just as a few other readers may learn something too. To take the idea from the mass psychosis videos, it can be important to speak up to help prevent the other side from going to the extreme. Unfortunately it takes time and attention, because what to say to whom, when, and how? Besides, there are sometimes questions of safety and strategic enclosure.

I for one have a weakness when confronted by an unreasonable argument, because I can become paralysed by the obtuseness or touched by an emotional attack and not know fast enough how to respond and remain silent. Fortunately, it seems to help to not give up, but practice engaging with people that I do not agree with.

Certainly there are cases where silence or indifference is the way. Besides, two situations can be identical in terms of content, but the response will need to be different. There are situations where there is time, in other situations there is not. And with whom am I communicating. Are they family, friends, colleagues, acquaintances or strangers? And have I already had a similar conversation with the other, or is it the first time?

For me a reply can vary between saying nothing or changing the subject, making an allusion, quoting a paper, an article, a person, present a fact, or making a counterargument, pointing out a fallacy, or sharing a joke. Or perhaps even a word of encouragement or consolation in case someone is excessively worried or even depressed about what is happening, but has no ability or is not in a state to understand a detailed argument.
At the root of it all, the arguments the brainwashed masses fall on appear to be based on
- Putin is a madman devoid of reason
- Because he is a madman one can't attempt to try and understand his motives. He is not to dissimilar to the barbarians of old who aimed to attack Rome for no other reason than they were barbarians and this was their nature. Animals ruled by sheer emotion where reason can't penetrate their mind.
- All the actions taken by Russia are an expression of his will alone. Remove him and everything changes.
What if it is more complicated. What if some people parrot what somebody else says in the media and government, because it gives them a feeling of being right and of belonging to the right group? Or what if somebody says something, not because it really matters to them, but because they are looking for an argument, or opportunity to rile you up. Such people not interested in the content of the argument, it is the emotional thrill.

That said, to the first and second, I might refer to Jordan Peterson. He is a psychologist and has spoken about Vladimir Putin not so long ago. Of course, they may attack Peterson too, but he is still a psychologist. You can also ask who says so, what is their source? Have they tried to read or watch source material, to get to know the situation and the man a bit more first hand? The third point could also be an opportunity to share how Russia perceives the West. I think one could quote the opinions of Sergei Lavrov, Maria Zakharova and Medvedev, the UN ambassadors etc. In addition, one could raise the point that much of the the global South actually supports Russia and Vladimir Putin, including China, India, Iran, Syria, Venezuela and countries in Africa. Turkey has been diplomatic and Saudi Arabia too. The isolation people imagine Russia has been put into, is less solid than people are led to believe.

To the third point, and although the conflict is not over, so there can be surprises, also the economy is relevant. To show the economy, an easy illustration for those living in the Western Europe who have been hit harder by the sanctions than the US, is to pull up xe.com and watch the 10-year currency trends of USD-GP, USD-EUR, USD-RUB, or GP-RUB. At this stage the impact on the economy is such that increasingly people will begin to take notice, no matter if they vote right, centre, or left, or what they think about Russia, Ukraine, or the US. And people do, because there have been protests. So for those still hardwired for sanction supporting, how long would they like to continue? The amount of money they have in the bank, may have grown, but for each coin the buying power is down. If that is hard to understand, what if the government had come a year ago and asked if they would give 15 % of their income to make Ukraine rich, while also cutting down on domestic comforts. Many would have said, no thank you.
 
Brian’s analyses about the war are a terrific coverage. Well worth the time to listen too.

Bjorn, thank you for sharing this! A really clear analysis of the 'support' Ukraine is receiving via the US; I know very little about Military strategy or weaponry but after listening to Brian's talk, it is SO obvious what is going on. I also like that he touched on journalists asking questions at Pentagon briefings that also made this obvious.

Looks very much like a suicide mission for Ukranians - from what I just heard - not even enough small arms ammunitions to supply a battalion for one day!! It is also SO obvious just from what was shared in this half hour talk, that this so called 'support for Ukraine' is a psyops campaign directed at anyone gullible enough to believe the hype propagated through the Pentagon briefings / MSM / hollow voices of 'support' from other world leaders.

The Ukranians literally look like lambs being led to the slaughter.

For myself, it is truly sickening to see what is happening globally, and what is still to come... but at the same time 'the Beast' has been feeding off humanity for so long, if a genuine shift is going to occur, "more shocks are needed". So be it. My Soul is so exhausted by the stupidity, abject cruelty and utter wickedness I have witnessed in this life; God knows in other lifetimes what each of us has seen, endured and even been a part of inflicting on others in other lifetimes. Yet even in the darkest moments, over and over again, humanity continues to find ways to activated/magnetise/crystallise (Christ-allise... Christ-allies?) that inner light, channelling joy, inspiration, creativity, beauty, love, light - finding ways to mirror the Christ essence connection that exists within every Souled being. For this I am eternally grateful.

Session 4 July 2015
A: For all forum members: Do not lose heart. Just remember that if you do all you can, yourselves in the future will bridge the gap. You are all potential transducers of information into chaos. Let that information be love/truth. Goodbye.
 
Of note -

Russia: Annual Grain Harvest to Grow 5 Million Tonnes Thanks to 'New Territories'
Russia's grain harvest is set to grow by about 5 million tonnes a year thanks to its incorporation of four Ukrainian territories, Agriculture Minister Dmitry Patrushev said on Tuesday.

"Considering the arable land that exists there, I think at least 5 million tonnes of grain will be added to the Russian savings box. I also think that we'll get other crops," he was quoted as saying by the state news agency TASS.

The Kremlin said that President Vladimir Putin was likely to sign laws on Tuesday to annex the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, representing about 18% of Ukraine's internationally recognised territory.

All are partly or mostly occupied by Russian forces after an invasion that has sharply reduced Ukraine's grain crop and disrupted shipping in the Black Sea, as well as triggering a barrage of Western economic sanctions against Russia.
 
I don't know if anyone has ever taken the plunge and tried and debated Putin with a brainwashed Western mind? At the root of it all, the arguments the brainwashed masses fall on appear to be based on
I have a perfect case who is a friend that I hang up with regularly. I have tried different approaches. All failed.
Now, I generally try to avoid the subject.

I used to where a tee-shirt with a picture and a quote from Putin. I did it for years. I had some bad looks. There was also a young woman, once, that seems to find it pretty cool and took a picture of it.

After the beginning of the Russian operation I wore it once. A few days later a couple ask me why I did wear it? I said he was my thought leader. That was pretty much the end of the exchange. I didn't wear it since.
 

Is NATO Running Out of T-72s to Donate to Ukraine?​

It Is Now Sending T-54/55s From Slovenia


Since the outbreak of war between Russia and Ukraine on February 24, Western countries have continued deliveries of considerable quantities of armaments to supply both the Ukrainian Military and various government-aligned militias. Most notable among these have been man portable anti tank and anti aircraft missiles.

The Ukrainian government has repeatedly requested Western military intervention in the conflict against Russia, but has also made calls for provision of new equipment including fighter aircraft and, more recently, battle tanks. While Ukraine fields more tanks than any other European country by a considerable margin, with over 850 in service, these have reportedly taken considerable losses and represent one of the most obsolete tank forces on the continent comprised of T-72A and T-64B tanks from the 1970s which with few exceptions have not received significant upgrades.

A number of NATO member states formerly in the Soviet-aligned Warsaw Pact retain inventories of Soviet tanks which could potentially be easily integrated into the Ukrainian Army, although the viability of such transfers remains highly questionable.

Germany and Slovenia have agreed on a deal to transfer Slovenian Army M-55 tanks, a derivative of the Soviet T-54/55, to support Ukrainian government forces as aid.

The transfer comes as NATO countries’ supplies of T-72 tanks have worn thin, with former Warsaw Pact states and many Yugoslav successor states all having send the bulk of their units to the Ukrainian Army...

reports militarywatchmagazine.com

The video a few posts back by The New Atlas explains the tank issue from the American perspective. It seems like around 1000 armoured vehicles have already been sent to Ukraine, 200-300 of which were tanks. The fact that Ukraine is begging for more indicates that most of them have been lost.

The main problem is the maintenance and repair issues. It’s 1000km from the front to the Polish border, and if you set up repair shops with trained engineers in Ukraine itself, the Russians could easily take them out.

So even if the West had more tanks to send, which they don’t really (at least, none that the Ukrainians can operate and maintain themselves), it would just be a waste.

Germany and Slovenia sending these old tanks, which are just going to get wiped out like all the others, is probably just them taking the opportunity to refresh and update their own inventory.
 
It's bubbling...

Joint US-Norway THOR-ER Hypersonic Rocket Engine Completes Critical Test - Pentagon​

Muhammad Irfan Published October 06, 2022 | 01:50 AM
Joint US-Norway THOR-ER Hypersonic Rocket Engine Completes Critical Test - Pentagon


WASHINGTON (UrduPoint News / Sputnik - 06th October, 2022) A hypersonic rocket engine jointly created by the United States and Norway known as the Tactical High-speed Offensive Ramjet for Extended Range (THOR-ER) completed an important developmental test in August, the US Defense Department said on Wednesday.

And

MBDA (German/French/Italian missile manufacturer) disputes its exclusion from the European hypersonic missile interceptor project (link in french)

"Leader of the ambitious European project TWISTER [Timely Warning and Interception with Space-based Theater surveillance], retained under the Permanent Structured Cooperation [CSP or PESCO] in order to develop a defense capability against hypersonic missiles, MBDA was given favorite to take the reins of the “European Hypersonic Defense Interceptor” [EU HYDEF] program, which is the logical continuation.

However, when it unveiled the list of projects to be financed by the European Defense Fund [FEDEF] in July, the European Commission announced that, to everyone's surprise, the coordination of the EU HYDEF project would be entrusted to the Spanish group SENER Aeroespacial, whose experience in the field of air defense is not obvious, and that the German Diehl Defence, which has some assets to put forward in this field, was going to take over the general technical direction.

And, among the countries involved in the EU HYDEF project, endowed with a budget of 110 million euros, we find, in addition to Germany and Spain, Belgium [via Sonaca], Norway [not a member of EU], Poland, the Czech Republic and Sweden. Yet stakeholders in the TWISTER program, France and Italy were therefore excluded.
 
John Helmer is putting the pipeline explosion on the Poles, with help from US of course:
THE BORNHOLM BLOW-UP REPEATS THE BORNHOLM BASH — POLAND ATTACKS GERMANY AND BLAMES RUSSIA

This is a little aside from many other related theirs and stories in this thread, and Helmer is also mentioned. To me, there is a lot of muddying of waters, and really, taking out a pipeline underwater is not high rocket science. There would be multiple methods, and the field has many players and joint operational players to point the finger at. Naturally, the bread crumbs or sea shells lead in certain (cough) directions - yet operations can be funny that way as peeps well know from history.

Anyway, the article (September 29th) highlights the Ukrainian Navy being trained by US/UK underwater specialists. The theme is training on Unmanned Underwater Vehicles.

UUV's like this do all sorts of scanning, and who knows what else. The size shown in the video could not easily provide a payload, unless modified to be the payload. There are explosive drills that could easily do the job, however I don't know much about them. There are independent contractors (like this one, who had some good September contracts, and noted they do work for the Israelis sometimes) who specialize in removing explosives from confined spaces with underwater robotic drones; suppose you could reverse the process, too? There are probably any number of these types of contractors.



UKRAINIAN NAVY DIVERS RECEIVE TRAINING ON UNMANNED UNDERWATER VEHICLES​

September 29, 2022

Alexandra Bruce

The triple bombing of the two Nord Stream pipelines this week is the most worrying geopolitical development in recent months and a potential trigger for a world war, with the West accusing Russia and Russia accusing the US – and Tucker Carlson – accusing the US and others accusing Poland aided by the Danish and Swedish military; planned and coordinated with US intelligence and technical support.

After all, the same day that the two Nord Stream pipelines were blown up, the Norway-Poland pipeline was opened!

Our demented US, EU and NATO Satanic overlords would have us believe that the Russians blew up their own pipelines but avoided blowing up this Norway-Poland pipeline that is right alongside it. These people are stupid. Maybe they all got prion disease from the Pfizer shot.

Canadian science blogger, Steve McIntyre pointed to the findings of German Journalist, Florian Warweg about an important sequence of US, UK and Ukrainian operations that appear to have prepared the sabotage of Nord Stream 2.

The US had begun stationing a combination of US, UK and Ukrainian military on Bornholm Island in April of this year. As part of NATO’S annual BALTOPS exercises in the Baltic Sea last June, the US Navy’s 6th Fleet trained in the use of underwater drones, just off the coast of Bornholm Island, in the exact area where Nord Stream 2 was sabotaged.

One of the major “achievements” of the operation was the collection of over 200 hours of undersea data – data which presumably included precision mapping of the exact location of the Nord Stream pipelines that was sufficiently precise for remote sabotage.

Two months later on August 22nd, the US Navy and British Royal Navy trained the Ukrainian Navy on handling these underwater drones, as seen in this video, posted on YouTube by a channel called US Military Central.

The Royal Navy article on the training operation stated that the UK gave “six of the underwater drones to Ukraine”. According to the Defensepost.com, these UK drones given to Ukraine can deploy up to 100 meters. This is deep enough to hit the Nord Stream pipelines which are said to be about 100 meters deep (and maybe a little shallower near Bornholm Island).

Less than 4 weeks later, the Nord Stream undersea pipelines – which are hated by Ukraine, because they bypass the Ukrainian tolls on Russian gas that had been exploited and embezzled by so many Ukrainian oligarchs – was sabotaged.

To recap: Precision mapping of Nord Stream pipeline appears to have been carried out by the US last June under cover of “training”, Denmark agreed to stationing US military on Bornholm Island, weeks later in August, Ukrainian specialists were trained by the UK and the US in the use of underwater drones, which could be remote controlled with precision and the UK gave six of these advanced drones to Ukraine, with the US providing the Ukrainians with precision location data of the Nord Stream pipelines.

EU leader, von der Leyen’s initial reaction – before knowing the likely perpetrator – was to vow the “strongest possible response”. Will she still be saying that when perpetrator is revealed?

Moon of Alabama has thorough commentary on Nord Stream sabotage, showing new information implicating the US, including recent routes of US military vessels and helicopters.

John Helmer claims that Nord Stream sabotage was carried out by Polish special forces “aided by the Danish and Swedish military; planned and coordinated with US intelligence and technical support”. If so, a dangerous and reckless escalation.

I have my own theory.
 

If not listened to yet, Matt Ehret talks with Vanessa Beely who is just back from Russia (well Russia now) to Damascus.



In this Canadian Patriot Review interview with award winning Syrian based journalist Vanessa Beeley who just arrived in Damascus after serving as an observer during the recent Donbass elections, you will learn how to cut through the lies of western corporate media propaganda and much more.

Going through her personal on-the-ground experience and larger insights, Vanessa will help you understand the truth of the recent Donbass elections for east Ukraine to rejoin Russia, why these elections were entirely legitimate, how Ukrainian Nazis are being used as western proxies for geopolitical ends and how this relates to the coming economic meltdown.

You will also learn about the infamous kill lists targetting western journalists and influencers challenging the mainstream narrative, the role of Elon Musk within the bigger picture and how all of this fits into the British-controlled White Helmets and the efforts to send Syria back to the stone age.

Video @ Rumble here.
 
So be it. My Soul is so exhausted by the stupidity, abject cruelty and utter wickedness I have witnessed in this life; God knows in other lifetimes what each of us has seen, endured and even been a part of inflicting on others in other lifetimes. Yet even in the darkest moments, over and over again, humanity continues to find ways to activated/magnetise/crystallise (Christ-allise... Christ-allies?) that inner light, channelling joy, inspiration, creativity, beauty, love, light - finding ways to mirror the Christ essence connection that exists within every Souled being. For this I am eternally grateful.
Love that mate.
 
Interesting tweet coming from Elon Musk in reply to senator Lindsey Graham.

Lindsey Graham: "With all due respect to Elon Musk - and I do respect him - I would suggest he needs to understand the facts of the Russian invasion of Ukraine."

Elon Musk: "Assuming you believe that the will of the people matters, we should, in any given conflict region, support the will of those who live there. Most of Ukraine unequivocally wants to be part of Ukraine, but some eastern portions have Russian majorities and prefer Russia."

 
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