Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

This is the grand exponent of lesser versus greater evil.
I have no illusions of the leaders of the 'new multi-polar world' giving a shit about the west being destroyed in their process. Not sure they give a shit about 'their own people' either.

Steiner talked about this in his perspectives on Ahriman, Lucifer and Sorath. Three different branches of the tree of evil. The first leans towards restrictive control through bureaucracy and systems built for self-perpetuating importancy, the second leads to encouraging 'sinful acts of claiming freedom' - like the insanity of current institutionalized inversion.

The third aims to slowly convert both flavors of madness into chaos, without any clear aims outside of 'watching the world burn'.
Most lackeys and henchmen have no clue that they are part of this process, which is one of the primary reasons it progresses everywhere.

No one consciously wants a Sorathic world, but many are helping it along.
 
This is the grand exponent of lesser versus greater evil.
I have no illusions of the leaders of the 'new multi-polar world' giving a shit about the west being destroyed in their process. Not sure they give a shit about 'their own people' either.

Steiner talked about this in his perspectives on Ahriman, Lucifer and Sorath. Three different branches of the tree of evil. The first leans towards restrictive control through bureaucracy and systems built for self-perpetuating importancy, the second leads to encouraging 'sinful acts of claiming freedom' - like the insanity of current institutionalized inversion.

The third aims to slowly convert both flavors of madness into chaos, without any clear aims outside of 'watching the world burn'.
Most lackeys and henchmen have no clue that they are part of this process, which is one of the primary reasons it progresses everywhere.

No one consciously wants a Sorathic world, but many are helping it along.
Two thoughts: we have it all to go through with a specific goal, a goal of learning, the chaos caused by them will be less than the chaos caused by causes from outside and inside the earth. Regardless of the type and number of rulers (both overt and hidden), the balance must be kept, there are no possibilities - no more good or bad - it does not matter, it does not exist (polarity, free will, equilibrium are on all levels and are the same, and we we only need to learn our lessons - just that)
 
But what changes could such an objective lead to, except more suffering aimed at reaching a new multi-polar order on this over populated and polluted world ?
Following what Antony wrote, victims are needed, and may be not only "a mass death of Russian people", but of the world human population. It kind of fits with the PTB agenda...
IMHO that multipolar world offers hope. Hope brings more positive polarization, versus the negative polarization where we were heading so far. So, its: some hope, against the: pitch black despair. I'm prone to choose that hope. I mean, its better to try to do at least some, than nothing.

The way of bringing that hope is not nice, but I think that the way is determined how the world lived so far. If the life on our planet was nicer, the way would be nicer. Unfortunately, it wasnt like that.
 
IMHO that multipolar world offers hope. Hope brings more positive polarization, versus the negative polarization where we were heading so far. So, its: some hope, against the: pitch black despair. I'm prone to choose that hope. I mean, its better to try to do at least some, than nothing.

The way of bringing that hope is not nice, but I think that the way is determined how the world lived so far. If the life on our planet was nicer, the way would be nicer. Unfortunately, it wasnt like that.
I'ts hard but...only in here (human 3d STS) Pitch Black despair is nothing, i can't choose Hope, when i known all stuff from Cass. We must learned our lessons, we are all parts of one soul, death and pain is necessary here on 3d, we chose it all in advance. That's my point od view, hard but true...greatings 4 all
 
I have a question, maybe it is not appropriate thread, the core of the question is how to help people in complicated situations.

I have a dilemma, according to this operation that is going on in Ukraine.

There are good guys on both sides, but there are people that are brainwashed and they don't know the actual situation, they don't see the bigger picture what is going on actually.

I remembered 10 years ago there were much more pro-russian orientation around, in Kiev at least, just for information.

Nevertheless, what do you think about it.
The guys that I know, they are in
difficult situation, and asked for praying, recently.
I did pray before and do praying for both sides for the best option for all.

The thing is the about physical help, they are asking for food, supply, e.g.
The way I feel that I have to help with everything that of daily basis stuff, but I confused at the same time.

What do you think about?
 
I suggest you look at Mr. Khazin, who is already familiar to you, with his assumptions about the agreements reached between Putin and part of the American elites. The video is in Russian, but there are subtitles and are translated into English, at least for me

 
Does no one really dont know what is the main objective of the special military operation? That's funny, because even Putin is talking about it all the time.

It's changing the world. Not winning the war on the terain. For example, if Russia destroy all of Ukraine tommorow (and all know that they can do that), what would be achieved? Only dead Ukrainians, and NATO and the "colective West" in process of regaining their power. Some months ago, even the worse than that.

What can be achieved if Russia dont win the war tommorow? Slow desintegration of the West, better cooperation between the rest of the world, USA going down as a sole super power, rise of Russia, China, India, the whole concept of the western thinking busted, and much more . . .

However that ironically sounds, its not in Russia's interest to win fast. Russia is grinding much more than unfortunate Ukrainians.

True, Putin has been pretty explicit about that. Too many people focus too much on 'who's winning the war' when there are many more important things going on behind the scenes. As Putin has said, the unipolar global order is collapsing due to the inherently unsustainable nature of it. Russia's war in Ukraine is merely one part of Russian preparations for the collapse.
 
Scott Ritter analyzes on the Kherson front

On Kherson - Ukraine and NATO build castles in the air Pt 1

Scott Ritter

“He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious” – Sun Tzu, The Art of War

War has a terribly addictive quality to it. People are fascinated by the destructive power war brings to the forefront, and even as they are repulsed by the violence, they are attracted by the allure of watching man do what man does best—organized destruction. In the past, people far removed from the conflict followed the course of a war by reading about battles long after they were fought, and charting progress on a map. Today, with the advent of 24-hour news networks and internet-driven social media, people can follow events in near real-time. The intimacy this access to information provides also transforms people away from the kind of measured analyst time and distance mandated in the past, to impassioned activists today self-empowered to second-guess the actions of those who are not only given the responsibility of waging war, but upon whose shoulders the burden of command responsibility rests.

It’s easy to be a hero while typing on a keyboard far removed from the reality of the battlefield.

It’s another thing altogether to make life-or-death decisions while events evolve in an active war zone.

When General Sergey Vladimirovich Surovikin assumed command of the special military operation (SMO), he inherited a situation which could best be described as “unstable.” The SMO had been operating with a force structure which was not up to the task, with significant segments of the front line undermanned, often with just 30-60 men allocated per kilometer, and no defense in depth. The Ukrainian army that had existed at the start of the SMO had been eviscerated by the Russian forces. However, the decision by the United States and its NATO allies to reinforce Ukraine with tens of billions of dollars’ worth of heavy weapons (tanks, armored fighting vehicles, artillery, and aircraft), and to provide vital strategic depth for Ukrainian forces to be organized, trained, and equipped without fear of Russian interdiction, and for critical command and control, intelligence, and logistics networks to be organized in direct support of Ukrainian military operations against Russia, put Russia at a disadvantage.

With the assistance of the US and NATO (and aided by thousands of foreign combatants), Ukraine was, by mid-summer, able to reconstitute a force of around 50,000 men trained and equipped to NATO standards. In accordance with an operational plan devised with the help of NATO, this new force went on the offensive against Russian forces in the Kharkov and Kherson regions. To prevent the unnecessary loss of life, Russia opted to cede territory in the face of superior Ukrainian forces, ultimately consolidating their lines along more defensible terrain.

The price paid by Ukraine in terms of lives and equipment lost was heavy, with an estimated 20,000 Ukrainian soldiers being killed or wounded, and hundreds of tanks and armored fighting vehicles destroyed.

So heavy were the losses that, to sustain the offensive, Ukraine was compelled to forgo the formation of a second 50,000-man corps-sized unit, instead throwing in the units designated for this second wave into the attack as soon as they were made available.

In response to this Ukrainian offensive, Russia undertook a “partial mobilization” of some 300,000 men; it is estimated that between 80-100,000 additional “volunteers” were assimilated by Russian recruiting centers at the same time.

On Kherson - Ukraine and NATO build castles in the air Pt 2

Scott Ritter

The mobilized forces were all men with prior military experience. Some, who had been recently released from service and whose combat skills were still fresh, were subjected to a period of “refresher” training, and dispatched directly to the SMO, where they were integrated into existing formations, bringing them up to strength. Russian President Vladimir Putin estimated the numbers of such troops at around 80,000.

Others were allocated to reserve combat units, where they continue to receive specialized training on tactics and operations at the unit level. It is estimated that these forces, numbering some 200,000 men, will complete their training sometime in December. When they are dispatched to the SMO, they will be organized into a force of around 10-15 divisions, fully equipped and ready to be used as needed at the front.

General Surovikin took command of the SMO on October 16. Two days later, he gave a press conference in which he described the situation on the ground in the Kherson region as “tense.” On his orders, civilian authorities began evacuating non-combatant persons from the territory held by Russian forces on the west bank of the Dnieper River, including the city of Kherson proper. One of the reasons cited to justify this action was a growing concern on the part of Russian officials that Ukraine was preparing to destroy a major dam on the Dnieper, north of Kherson, at the Nova Kakhovka hydroelectric power station. If this dam were destroyed, a wall of water between 5 to 15 meters high would sweep down the river, washing away critical infrastructure, killing thousands, and trapping survivors—military and civilian alike—on the west bank. An estimated 200,000 civilians and 30,000 Russian troops would be put at risk. The evacuation of civilians from the west bank of the Dnieper River, when seen in this light, was a prudent humanitarian move in total compliance with the responsibilities assumed by a military commander under the law of war.

While this evacuation was taking place, Russian forces held off concerted attacks by the NATO-trained and equipped Ukrainian army. These attacks were all, without exception, defeated by the Russian defenders. In the month of October alone, Russia assesses that Ukraine lost 12,000 men in support of these operations, while Russian losses were limited to between 1,300-1,500 men. Most of the Russian casualties came because of artillery bombardment by the Ukrainian forces, using their western-provided heavy artillery, which were guided to their targets by real-time intelligence shared by the United States.

This artillery war was being conducted on terms which expressly favored the Ukrainians. Under normal circumstances, artillery attacks assume the character of a duel, with each side seeking to locate the artillery resources of the other either before or after they fire their rounds downrange. Despite western claims that the western artillery systems provided to Ukraine outrange their Russian equivalent systems, this is simply not true, and on an even playing field, Russia possesses artillery systems which, when combined with target identification techniques (drones, counterbattery radar, SIGINT, etc.), would enable Russian artillery to carry out effective counterbattery fires against the Ukrainians.

But when the Ukrainians can operate their artillery in a manner which allows them to interdict Russian logistics, making it difficult to resupply Russian artillery units or provide effective operational and intelligence support (i.e., interdiction of Russian command and control), the artillery duel becomes one-sided, and it is the Russian troops who pay the price. By pulling Russian forces out of the west bank of the Dnieper, the Russian command was eliminating the artillery advantage that Ukraine had accrued.

On Kherson - Ukraine and NATO build castles in the air Pt 3

Scott Ritter

With Russian forces dug in on the east bank of the Dnieper, Russian artillery would be able to be employed in a fashion which maximized its qualitative and quantitative advantages. In short, any Ukrainian forces seeking to approach the Dnieper River would be targeted by massed fires, breaking up their advance. Likewise, Ukrainian artillery would find itself in an untenable position, unable to concentrate their fires or be employed in a tactically sound manner for fear of being detected and destroyed by Russian counterbattery fires.

Russian forces may very well have been able to sustain a presence on the west bank of the Dnieper, but at what cost? The highly favorable casualty ration that was produced in the October fighting would have evened out, or even been adjusted to favor the Ukrainians. The fundamental question facing Russian leadership was this: what price was Russia willing to pay to hold on to the west bank of the Dnieper River? No Russian leader was willing to sacrifice up to 3,000 troops to sustain a frontline which gave Ukraine all the advantages. General Surovikin recommended the adjustment, and General Sergei Shoigu, the Russian Minister of Defense, agreed.

Russian mothers, wives, and children should applaud this decision, as should anyone who holds the life of a Russian soldier in high regard.

Moreover, on can never forget the threat posed by the potential destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam. How could any responsible commander risk the lives of his troops under such a threat? Imagine the outrage that would be expressed by these very same keyboard heroes when trying to square the deaths of thousands of Russian troops, and the potential capture of thousands more, in the aftermath of such a catastrophe? Why didn’t the Russian commanders do something to prevent this, they would cry.

General Surovikin just did.

Ukraine and its NATO supporters will, of course, brag about this significant victory. But headline grabbing does not translate into battlefield success. At the same time Russia is preserving its most precious resource—its manpower—Ukraine will be squandering thousands more lives to obtain propaganda value from photographs showing the Ukrainian flag raised in Kherson. The Ukrainian “victory” in Kherson resembles that of the ancient Greek ruler Pyrrhus, in defeating the Romans at Asculum in Apulia in 279 BC. While his forces held the field, it was accomplished only at a great cost. “If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans,” Pyrrhus said after the battle, “we shall be utterly ruined.” Pyrrhus was unable to call up more men, and his allies in Italy were becoming tired of conflict. The Romans, however, were able to quickly replenish their forces “as if from a fountain gushing forth indoors” and remained determined to see the war through to its end.

If the experience of Pyrrhus sounds familiar, it is because it directly mirrors the situation encountered by Ukraine in confronting Russia in Kherson in the present times. Ukraine has lost more than 12,000 men in the weeks leading up to the Russian withdrawal from the west bank of the Dnieper River and will lose thousands more trying to consolidate and hold the territory Russia has evacuated. While Ukraine is in the process of training and equipping some 20,000 new troops, the ability to generate more forces beyond that is questionable, given the dearth of modern equipment remaining in the inventory which can be transferred to Ukraine.

Russia, on the other hand, is in the process of finalizing the organization, training, and equipping of 200,000 fresh troops. When they arrive on the battlefield sometime in December, Ukraine will be hard pressed to respond in a meaningful fashion. Like Pyrrhus, Ukraine, in taking Kherson, has been “utterly ruined.”

And Russian troops will soon be like a “fountain gushing forth.”
 
'Zelensky is ready for peace talks after "regime change" in Russia.'

10 Nov, 2022

Meanwhile, the special military operation is continuing, because Ukraine is "deaf" on negotiations.

11 NOV, 2022
 
Scott Ritter analyzes on the Kherson front
Just to add Pyrrhus
was a great tactician, just did not know how to use victories, second after Alexander by the alleged words of Hanibal, would include Ceasar also among those three and it is insult to compere it to Ukrainian leadearship because those greeks, macedonians had professional armies, that could not be so easily replaced, Romans had large population and levy sistem that was crucial, while Ukr are slaughtering their troops head on.
 
True, Putin has been pretty explicit about that. Too many people focus too much on 'who's winning the war' when there are many more important things going on behind the scenes. As Putin has said, the unipolar global order is collapsing due to the inherently unsustainable nature of it. Russia's war in Ukraine is merely one part of Russian preparations for the collapse.
Joe, with the way this war is fought, could be indeed the preparation (start) for the collapse of Russia. Yesterday basically started disintegration of the country with a miserable loss of Kherson (officially in constitution - it is NoW Russia).

Schneerson (former Khabad head): The way to build the millennial Zion lies through solving the issue with the Slavic Goyim. As long as they form a cooperative into one single nation, the danger of exposing our plans and losing power will always hang over us.

Kolomoiysky (2013): Thanks for the fruitful cooperation with Russian Head (yes, you know who) in a couple of years, Russian and Ukrainian Goyim will hate and despise each other. After Operation Maidan, we will finally begin the final third stage, the result of which will be the complete and total fragmentation of Russia in the next 10 years into dozens of small and hostile states to each other.

Seems this illusionary war follows exactly their aims.🤦‍♂️
 
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