Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki has called for an emergency meeting of the country's top national security and defence officials on Tuesday evening.
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According to the BBC
The Associated Press news agency says a senior US intelligence official was the source for the report about missiles hitting a Polish farm, without naming the official.
Polish government spokesman Piotr Mueller did not immediately confirm the report, AP says.
The Pentagon has said it cannot corroborate the report, Reuters news agency says.
The Polish meeting is scheduled for 20:00 GMT.
Reuters quotes Polish firefighters as confirming that two people died in an explosion in Przewodów.
"Firefighters are on the spot, it's not clear what has happened," said Lukasz Kucy, officer on duty at a nearby firefighters' post.
As we would say: our song is good - start from the beginning.
I hate to touch it again, but... Respected, please stop dragging this nonsense from Soros textbooks. Logically, look at what you are getting. Those who, in their programmatic, doctrinal documents, aimed at the destruction of Slavs, including Poles, which they actually did during the occupation, become "those with whom you can survive", and those who saved you from this fate and then rebuilt the destroyed country become "the worst". Those to whom their bosses said: kill, kill, kill, are better than those who were punished quite harshly by law for violence, looting and other outrages.
"Old people," you say? Didn't your old folks tell you how fervently they -flicked- up Czechoslovakia? But this is politics, and what about the people? By the way, respect to Elisasheva for some balance, but there is also something to remember. Have you heard about concentration camps in Poland or are they not written about in Soros textbooks? You will say that the camps are organized by the Germans and you will be right, but that's not what I'm talking about. I mean, there were repeated escapes of prisoners from these camps and in many cases these unfortunate fugitives were detained and handed over to the Germans by local residents, those same "old men" of yours trying to "survive" with their own killers. They probably didn't tell you about it.
Как у нас сказали бы: наша песня хороша- начинай сначала.
Как не хочется опять касаться этого, но... Уважаемый, хватит пожалуйста тащить этот бред из соросовских учебников. Чисто логически посмотрите что у вас получается. Те кто в своих программных, доктринальных документах имел целью уничтожение славян, в том числе поляков , чем собственно и занимались в процессе оккупации, у вас становятся "теми с кем можно выжить", а те кто вас избавил от этой участи и потом отстроил разрушенную страну становятся "the worst". Те, кому их боссы говорили: убивайте, убивайте, убивайте, лучше тех, кого за насилие, мародерство и прочие бесчинства довольно жестко наказывали по закону. "Старики", вы говорите? А ваши старики не говорили вам как задорно они дербанили Чехословакию? Но это политика, а что народ? Кстати, респект Ему за некоторую взвешенность, но тут тоже есть что вспомнить. Про концлагеря на территории Польши слышали или в соросовских учебниках о них не пишут? Вы скажете, что лагеря организованы немцами и будете правы, но я не об этом. Я о том, что были неоднократные побеги заключенных из этих лагерей и во многих случаях этих несчастных беглецов задерживали и передавали немцам местные жители, те самые ваши "старики", пытающиеся "выжить" с собственными убийцами. Об этом они вам наверняка не рассказывали.
This example is rather to show that in some way everyone is right and wrong. There is no nation in our known history without blood on their hands. It doesn't matter if it's e
East or Weast, evil is evil. Also in our current life we cannot be 100% sure anything because of our nature - every people made some mistakes. Previous post is not about arguing which history is telling the truth - in my opinion each history is false in some part. It's about to show that we cannot be sure anything and we always should ask questions to ourselves to not being polarized by something
Russian Telegram channels report that the photos of the rocket debris in Poland are identical to the S-300 rocket debris used by Ukraine.
If so, then it turns out that Ukrainian missiles killed 2 Polish citizens.
Will Poland apply Article 5 on collective defence. NATO-Ukraine war?
Фрагмент ракеты упавшей в Польше принадлежит ЗРК С-300. На первом фото - фрагмент ракеты упавшей в Польше. На втором фото - обломки зенитной ракеты С-300, которая упала в Дагестане 08.10.2020 во время Карабахской войны. Если информация о гибели двух поляков верна, то таким образом ПВО ВСУ...
Russian Telegram channels report that the photos of the rocket debris in Poland are identical to the S-300 rocket debris used by Ukraine.
If so, then it turns out that Ukrainian missiles killed 2 Polish citizens.
Will Poland apply Article 5 on collective defence. NATO-Ukraine war?
Фрагмент ракеты упавшей в Польше принадлежит ЗРК С-300. На первом фото - фрагмент ракеты упавшей в Польше. На втором фото - обломки зенитной ракеты С-300, которая упала в Дагестане 08.10.2020 во время Карабахской войны. Если информация о гибели двух поляков верна, то таким образом ПВО ВСУ...
Quick investigation of Russian telegrams of channels.
Video from the crash site of a Ukrainian 5V55 missile of the S-300P anti-aircraft missile system near the city of Hrubieszow in the Lublin Voivodeship of Poland on the border with Ukraine. 2 citizens of Poland were killed and one tractor with a trailer was demilitarized.
Doesn't it bother anyone that the attacks on Lvov were already 4 hours ago, and the tractor was just bombed right now?
Most likely, the S-300 missile that fell in Poland belongs to the 540th Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment of the Ukrainian Air Force.
The regiment is stationed in Art. Kamenka-Bugskaya, Lviv region, and is armed with S-300PS/PT systems.
This air defense unit has been on combat duty since January of this year.
Ministry of Defense of Russia:
️The statements of the Polish media and officials about the alleged fall of "Russian" missiles in the area of the settlement of Przewoduv is a deliberate provocation in order to escalate the situation.
️ No strikes on targets near the Ukrainian-Polish state border were made by Russian means of destruction.
️ The wreckage published in hot pursuit by the Polish media from the scene in the village of Przewoduv has nothing to do with Russian weapons.
"MOSCOW, Nov. 15 — RIA Novosti. Russian missile strikes damaged 15 energy infrastructure facilities in Ukraine, said The deputy head of the office of Vladimir Zelensky Kirill Tymoshenko in a comment to local TV channels, which was published in hisTelegram."
Российские ракетные удары повредили 15 объектов энергетической инфраструктуры на Украине, заявил замглавы офиса Владимира Зеленского Кирилл Тимошенко в... РИА Новости, 15.11.2022
The pentagon cannot corroborate, but don't worry FOX NEWS and their retired general have it all figured out! Russia did it purposely and NATO must respond! And a few...blah blah blah's (3-minute video)
Previous post is not about arguing which history is telling the truth - in my opinion each history is false in some part. It's about to show that we cannot be sure anything and we always should ask questions to ourselves to not being polarized by something
I also would not like to argue at all, it's just that I saw echoes of two common propaganda cliches in your words.
The first is Stalin. And why is he worse than others? Yes, not an angel at least, but who is whiter and fluffier? Truman with the atomic bombing? But planning began with Roosevelt together with Churchill. Churchill with his "Unthinkable" plan? Hirohito together with Suzuki, who have done such things in Asia that European fascists could envy them in some way? If you remember Asia, then Mao and Chiang Kai-shek, who fought with the Japanese, then with each other, and as a result, the Chinese lost more than all the others in absolute numbers. Are they better than that? The same Pilsudski to whom Hitler was not too lazy to come to the funeral? About Mussolini, Franco, etc. I'm already silent. Who is better and what is better? This were inflated out of the blue as part of a broader task to denigrate and dehumanize Russia. It is Russia, there is no mistake here. In the West, even in Soviet times, Russia was the second name of the same state. When Reagan called the USSR an evil empire in 1983, I thought with my meager, 15-year-old mind: you, Uncle, are either a fool or you think everyone else is a fool. I could not believe such hypocrisy, it is now clear that it is the thief himself who shouts "hold the thief" loudest of all.
The second cliche is newer and there are natural reasons for this. It consists in the need to equate fascist Germany and the USSR in the villainy. Previously, it was not possible to promote such stupidity due to the fact that many direct participants in those events were alive. The super task in this case is exactly the same as in the first one.
What is the conclusion? I would be glad to be mistaken in what I imagined in your words. And if it wasn't imagined?...
Я тоже спорить совсем не хотел бы, просто в ваших словах я увидел отголоски двух распространенных пропагандистских штампов. Первый это Сталин. А чем он хуже других? Да, не ангел как минимум, но кто белее и пушистее? Трумэн с атомной бомбардировкой? А ведь планирование началось еще Рузвельтом вместе с Черчиллем. Черчилль с его планом "Немыслимое"? Хирохито вместе с Судзуки, натворившие таких дел в азии, что им и европейские фашисты в чем то могли бы позавидовать? Если вспомнили азию, то Мао и Чан Кай Ши, которые боролись с японцами, потом друг с другом и в результате китайцы потеряли больше всех остальных в абсолютных цифрах. Они что ли чем то лучше? Тот же Пилсудский к которому на похороны не поленился приехать Гитлер? Про Муссолини, Франко и пр. я уже молчу. Кто и чем лучше? Раздули на ровном месте как часть более широкой задачи очернить и расчеловечить Россию. Именно Россию, здесь нет ошибки. На западе даже во времена СССР Россия была вторым названием того же самого государства. Когда в 1983 году Рейган назвал СССР империей зла, я своим скудным, 15 летним умишком подумал: ты, дядя, или дурак или всех остальных дураками считаешь. Я не мог поверить в такое лицемерие, это теперь понятно, что громче всех кричит "держи вора" именно сам вор.
Второй штамп поновее и этому есть естественные причины. Заключается он в необходимости подравнять в злодействе фашистскую германию и СССР. Раньше такую глупость продвинуть было не возможно из-за того что были живы многие непосредственные участники тех событий. Сверхзадача в этом случае ровно та же, как и в первом.
Какой вывод? Я рад был бы ошибаться в том что мне почудилось в ваших словах. А если не почудилось?...
Hello,
I think that Antony isn't about who is right or wrong but rather to show two sides of the coin. It's true that by observations in this forum we "globally" Concluded that Putin is better than our empire of lies but it's not implying that all of Putin and his men's do is right and good. He is not the knight in shining armor but rather a man who could do something good. It's not about who is right because every one got right. Antony is right about that situation in some places in Russia is terrifying and there are rulers who do bad things, this forum says that Putin could do something good for world. Putin is not black or white, he is just a man. He sometimes says truth and sometimes say lies but globally as C's say he's rather good. E. G. He focus most on WWII, he says a lot about red army and that they was good and fight nazis but in other hand we know who control this army- Stalin and I think he was rather bad person. In Poland you could ask old people about WWII and most common they say that Germans we're bad but you could live with them and somehow survive in other hand Russians in red army were the worst. They raped and killed everything, there is a study book which shows that it could be not lie to say that Polish people right know could be from mostly from rapes made by red army on Polish women. Every nation have done good and bad things and I think that Antony wants for us to remember that world isn't black and white
Thanks @Kmicic for your thoughts. I wasn't responding to what @Antony said about Russia/Putin, I know it is not black and white. I was responding to his suggestion that the emotional perceptions of the Chateau people to Putin and Russia influenced the C's responses. He quoted responses from 2015, well after Putin and Russia had been observed for decades and questions asked about Russia and Putin of the C's, So the snippets Antony quoted were correct for that period, but by not including the history of observations and C questions they appear out of context and give a, to my mind, false impression. I was merely trying to offer a context for the session snippets he quoted.
Rather interesting timing for a false flag...
...during G20 summit (15-16 Nov.)
...and just days ahead of the FIFA World Cup in Qatar (20 Nov. - 18 Dec.)
Major decisions mixed with major distractions, what could possibly go wrong?
I also would not like to argue at all, it's just that I saw echoes of two common propaganda cliches in your words.
The first is Stalin. And why is he worse than others? Yes, not an angel at least, but who is whiter and fluffier? Truman with the atomic bombing? But planning began with Roosevelt together with Churchill. Churchill with his "Unthinkable" plan? Hirohito together with Suzuki, who have done such things in Asia that European fascists could envy them in some way? If you remember Asia, then Mao and Chiang Kai-shek, who fought with the Japanese, then with each other, and as a result, the Chinese lost more than all the others in absolute numbers. Are they better than that? The same Pilsudski to whom Hitler was not too lazy to come to the funeral? About Mussolini, Franco, etc. I'm already silent. Who is better and what is better? This were inflated out of the blue as part of a broader task to denigrate and dehumanize Russia. It is Russia, there is no mistake here. In the West, even in Soviet times, Russia was the second name of the same state. When Reagan called the USSR an evil empire in 1983, I thought with my meager, 15-year-old mind: you, Uncle, are either a fool or you think everyone else is a fool. I could not believe such hypocrisy, it is now clear that it is the thief himself who shouts "hold the thief" loudest of all.
The second cliche is newer and there are natural reasons for this. It consists in the need to equate fascist Germany and the USSR in the villainy. Previously, it was not possible to promote such stupidity due to the fact that many direct participants in those events were alive. The super task in this case is exactly the same as in the first one.
What is the conclusion? I would be glad to be mistaken in what I imagined in your words. And if it wasn't imagined?...
Я тоже спорить совсем не хотел бы, просто в ваших словах я увидел отголоски двух распространенных пропагандистских штампов. Первый это Сталин. А чем он хуже других? Да, не ангел как минимум, но кто белее и пушистее? Трумэн с атомной бомбардировкой? А ведь планирование началось еще Рузвельтом вместе с Черчиллем. Черчилль с его планом "Немыслимое"? Хирохито вместе с Судзуки, натворившие таких дел в азии, что им и европейские фашисты в чем то могли бы позавидовать? Если вспомнили азию, то Мао и Чан Кай Ши, которые боролись с японцами, потом друг с другом и в результате китайцы потеряли больше всех остальных в абсолютных цифрах. Они что ли чем то лучше? Тот же Пилсудский к которому на похороны не поленился приехать Гитлер? Про Муссолини, Франко и пр. я уже молчу. Кто и чем лучше? Раздули на ровном месте как часть более широкой задачи очернить и расчеловечить Россию. Именно Россию, здесь нет ошибки. На западе даже во времена СССР Россия была вторым названием того же самого государства. Когда в 1983 году Рейган назвал СССР империей зла, я своим скудным, 15 летним умишком подумал: ты, дядя, или дурак или всех остальных дураками считаешь. Я не мог поверить в такое лицемерие, это теперь понятно, что громче всех кричит "держи вора" именно сам вор.
Второй штамп поновее и этому есть естественные причины. Заключается он в необходимости подравнять в злодействе фашистскую германию и СССР. Раньше такую глупость продвинуть было не возможно из-за того что были живы многие непосредственные участники тех событий. Сверхзадача в этом случае ровно та же, как и в первом.
Какой вывод? Я рад был бы ошибаться в том что мне почудилось в ваших словах. А если не почудилось?...
I'm Tully agree. If we would be discussing Great Britain instead of Russia, I probably would use example of Churchill which was a racist, he hates people from India, and he killed millions of them during WWII, if what I've readed is true. And this in the end of your post: "What is the conclusion? I would be glad to be mistaken in what I imagined in your words. And if it wasn't imagined?..." Why you use this sentence? It's not nice to hear this irony. From my perspective it's like I triggered your program, something like "Defend Russia and Stalin" Or "Those are Soros propaganda" But as you say I would be glad to be mistaken in what I imagined in your words. And if it wasn't imagined?...
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️The statements of the Polish media and officials about the alleged fall of "Russian" missiles in the area of the settlement of Przewoduv is a deliberate provocation in order to escalate the situation.
️ No strikes on targets near the Ukrainian-Polish state border were made by Russian means of destruction.
