PabloAngello
Jedi Master
Can anyone explain me in ELI5 style why this war started? Point by point with causes and reasoning?
Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine
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Wow!!! That's the question! That is, the question itself is not surprising, well, a person wants to figure out something, what is it here? Another thing is surprising, this war has been going on for almost 10 years, why now? What happened?
I can only explain in a nutshell and I wonder if someone will undertake to explain how it is required here with all possible chewing.
In a nutshell: The West, led by the United States, seeks to finish off Russia, and Russia is trying to prevent this from happening.
Ничего себе!!! Вот это вопрос! Т.е. сам по себе вопрос неудивителен, ну хочет человек разобраться в чем то, чего же здесь такого? Удивительно другое, война эта идет уже почти 10 лет, почему сейчас? Что такого случилось?
Я могу объяснить только в двух словах и мне интересно возьмётся ли кто то объяснять как тут требуется со всеми возможными разжевываниями.
В двух словах: Запад во главе с США стремится прикончить Россию, а Россия пытается не дать этому случиться.
Я могу объяснить только в двух словах и мне интересно возьмётся ли кто то объяснять как тут требуется со всеми возможными разжевываниями.
В двух словах: Запад во главе с США стремится прикончить Россию, а Россия пытается не дать этому случиться.
This is also in a nutshell from Minister Lavrov, as for Ukraine.
Лавров рассказал, чем опасна "формула Зеленского"
About the night attack on Novorossiysk. It turns out that not everything is as rosy as we were informed in the morning. One of the ships was damaged. Somewhere the guys clapped their ears.
БДК «Оленегорский горняк» получил повреждения в ходе отражения атаки морских дронов
По поводу ночной атаки на Новороссийск. Оказывается не все так радужно, как нам сообщали с утра. Один из кораблей получил повреждения. Где то ребята прохлопали ушами.
This war started because it had been planned and intended to start at around this time for many many years. The culmination of over 100 years of 'get Russia' at all costs. One can also see it as a necessary distraction post COVID to make sure the growing unease about its origins and purpose becomes buried in the 'fog of war' (plus of course use as further cover for huge financial skulduggery and the need to hide certain 'financial iregularities' going on in Ukraine for an age but particularly since before 2016).
Just a few of the bullet point examples of the methodical build up would go something like this:
NATO Long Planned a War
NATO's Stoltenberg has publicly admitted the alliance has been preparing for conflict with Russia since 2014.
The CIA began widespread training of Ukrainian military in insurgency tactics the same year, preparing the forces for becoming the new Al-Qaeda post an anticipated war with Russia.
The Rise as Puppet of the West of actor/comedian Zelensky.
Zelensky wins a landslide victory in the April 2019 presidential election with an overwhelming mandate to lead Ukraine to a peaceful settlement with Russia. However a collection of Ukrainian 'civil society' groups backed by the US/NATO, issued a lengthy list of "red lines not to be crossed" by the new president, lest he risk provoking a new wave of political instability - that they would presumably instigate. So begins the Zelensky ‘change of heart’ into a rabid anti-Russian, leading to increasing attacks on Russian culture within Ukraine and the targeting of Russian minorities.
Sinking the Minsk Accords:
Ex-Chancellor Merkel, and Presidents Poroshenko and Zelensky, have all now bragged in public that they had no intention of implementing the UN agreed and binding Minsk agreements that guaranteed peace and security for all parties and that their sole purpose of signing was to buy Ukraine time to prepare to make war with Russia.
NATO pulls out of Afghanistan
The April 2021 decision to pull out all troops within months and the August debacle that followed can now been seen through a different prism, in that plans to shift attention to a direct conformation with Russia via Ukraine were coming to a head with the US military needing to redirect and focus all resources.
Abrupt end to COVID Pandemic
After nearly two years of unrelenting pressure, come mid-January 2022 the breaks start to come off as governments unexpectedly begin the process of reversing COVID restrictions. The speed of the change catches most by surprise. In the light of events brewing in the East of Europe, this can now be seen as a clearing of the narrative space for the next world psyop – the long prepared Ukraine war.
Ukraine Military Build Up:
By end of January 2022 it was being reported widely in the international media – and confirmed by Russian authorities - that 120,000 Ukrainian troops were massing at the contact line in Donbas
Ukrainian Attacks on the Donbas Accelerate:
The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) had to acknowledge that the Ukrainian bombardment of the line of contact dramatically intensified week commencing 14th February reaching a high point of 2,026 artillery strikes by February 19
Sanction Plans:
Ursula von der Leyen publically stated at the February 2023 Munich conference that the EU was planning and coordinating with the Biden White House the entire sanctions package against Russia back in December 2021.
Destruction of Nord Steam:
Seymour Hersh has revealed that the Biden White House was already planning to blow up Nord Stream by November/December 2021. This goes along with President Biden's statement to the press that it would never open, British Prime minister Liz Truss texting 'it's done' to Secretary Blinken and the former Polish Foreign Minister thanking the USA for its destruction via Twitter.
The wishful thinking of desperation mounts as the pressure increases to escalate further.... (though the headlines hide the fact that 69% are not in favour!)
Meanwhile, the Brits come up with the best excuse for failure yet... talk about 'intelligence'...
'It's because of the height of the grass, man, don't you get it...!?'
'Yes, but doesn't the undergrowth normally grow taller in the summer? I mean surely that happens every year? Didn't you factor that into your planning, I mean...'
'Can it, conspiracy theorist!'
Meanwhile, the Brits come up with the best excuse for failure yet... talk about 'intelligence'...
'It's because of the height of the grass, man, don't you get it...!?'
'Yes, but doesn't the undergrowth normally grow taller in the summer? I mean surely that happens every year? Didn't you factor that into your planning, I mean...'
'Can it, conspiracy theorist!'
Is the US preparing to dump the proxy war in Ukraine so it can start another in Taiwan? -- Sott.net
US President Joe Biden is reportedly seeking congressional approval for financing military aid for Taiwan as part of the supplemental budget for Ukraine. What's behind the move? The White House is going to ask the US Congress to fund the arming...
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'I am not buying it, because it is very profitable for the US military-industrial complex.'
US arms manufacturers received $9.7bn to fill empty caches after weapons given to Ukraine
American arms manufacturers reportedly received $9.7 billion to replace the weapons that were sent to Ukraine.
www.presstv.ir
'Maybe opening "another account" at Office of Management and Budget for money laundering through Foreign Military Financing scheme which is funded by American taxpayers?'
Biden wants arms cash for Taiwan through budget for Ukraine – FT
The White House wants Congress to approve the inclusion of military funds for Taiwan in the Ukraine budget, the Financial Times reports
PabloAngello
Jedi Master
Are there references for that?
e.g. you can still find Reuters report here that does its best to hide the fact that this was Ukrainian shelling of its own people - but its clear enough.
Also:
A very good outline of these issues and others given by Mike Whitney on the UNZ Review back in Feb 2023.
You can also read quite a number of Putin‘s big speeches shortly before and after the war started. He provides a pretty comprehensive and accurate history of it. That should bring you up to speed. Listening to what Lavrov and Zakharova have explained helps as well.
Personally, nothing surprises me about this event. The Ukroterrorists have already committed almost all possible actions to justify such a status. There have been no attacks on civilian aircraft yet, and everything else has already happened. In my opinion, such things are a good reason not to leave a single meter of the seashore under the power of the ukrohunta. In other words, the Kherson, Mykolaiv, Odessa regions in their entirety should be cleared of the Ukrainian authorities.
В Чёрном море взрывом повреждён российский танкер Sig
Лично меня в этом событии не удивляет ничто. Укротеррористы совершили уже почти все возможные действия для оправдания подобного статуса. Пока еще не было атак на гражданские самолеты, а все остальное уже было. По моему подобные вещи являются веским поводом не оставлять под властью укрохунты ни одного метра морского побережья. Другими словами Херсонская, Николаевская, Одесская области в полном составе должны быть очищены от украинской власти.
Flashback to 1997
A little curiosity, which indicates that some areas of Europe knowingly walked into the situation they are in now, at least some people raised the alarm bell.
In the 1990ies there were people aware of the problems, the NATO expansion could create in Europe. I encountered a forgotten copy of a press release from Forth International Convention of the Leaders of the Natural Law Parties, issued from the office in Vlodrop in The Netherlands. Along with the press release there was a short article from Reuters, by Emma Thomasson from 18.07.97 17:47 which included:
While the Natural Law Party had a platform to promote, including a Vedic Peace Corps, and used the analysis of the geopolitical situation in Europe to promote it, like in an appeal to urgency argument, the analysis itself seems largely to have withstood the test of time. Here are a few lines:
A little curiosity, which indicates that some areas of Europe knowingly walked into the situation they are in now, at least some people raised the alarm bell.
In the 1990ies there were people aware of the problems, the NATO expansion could create in Europe. I encountered a forgotten copy of a press release from Forth International Convention of the Leaders of the Natural Law Parties, issued from the office in Vlodrop in The Netherlands. Along with the press release there was a short article from Reuters, by Emma Thomasson from 18.07.97 17:47 which included:
While the Natural Law Party had a platform to promote, including a Vedic Peace Corps, and used the analysis of the geopolitical situation in Europe to promote it, like in an appeal to urgency argument, the analysis itself seems largely to have withstood the test of time. Here are a few lines:
Actually, American troops were and are still in Europe! I think many people understood that quite clearly also then. But what is also a possible interpretation is that the troops were there but not engaged. This has happened since, think Yugoslavia 1999, the Nord Stream sabotage, 2022, and NATO work in Ukraine 2014 to present, with Ukrainians being trained in European NATO countries, but is more to come? With so many US bases in former Warsaw pact countries, what can prevent it?
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there is a recent sott article
This article from April 2022 by Jacques Baud might answer your question as to how this war started. It is at least a good starting point and from a Swiss retired intelligence officer.
Retired Swiss Military-Intelligence Officer: 'Is it Possible to Actually Know What Has Been And is Going on in Ukraine?' -- Sott.net
[...] Just recently I came across perhaps the clearest and most reasonable account of what has been going on in Ukraine. Its importance comes due to the fact that its author, Jacques Baud, a retired colonel in the Swiss intelligence service, was...
www.sott.net
A video of this heroic battle has already been published here. Now here is a natural result - the tank crew is presented to the highest Russian military award - the title of Heroes of Russia.
This Vasya Malyuk could have not worked for recognizing obvious things, and so no one, in my opinion, had any doubts about whose hands it was.
In my opinion, a useless gathering. I recently wrote in a thread about Africa, about the case scenario, which has been repeatedly encountered recently. In this case, it is an attempt to legitimize unacceptable decisions through artificially created "world public opinion". I would really like to hope that such things will no longer work with Russia.
Шойгу представил экипаж танка "Алеша" к званию Герой России - Российская газета
This Vasya Malyuk could have not worked for recognizing obvious things, and so no one, in my opinion, had any doubts about whose hands it was.
Глава СБУ Малюк подтвердил причастность к атаке на российский танкер - Российская газета
In my opinion, a useless gathering. I recently wrote in a thread about Africa, about the case scenario, which has been repeatedly encountered recently. In this case, it is an attempt to legitimize unacceptable decisions through artificially created "world public opinion". I would really like to hope that such things will no longer work with Russia.
В Саудовской Аравии начались переговоры по Украине
Здесь уже публиковали видео этого героического боя. Теперь вот закономерный результат- экипаж танка представлен к высшей Российской воинской награде- званию Героев России.
Этот Вася Малюк мог и не трудиться чего то там признавая, и так ни у кого по моему не было сомнений в том, чьих рук это дело.
По моему бесполезное сборище. Недавно я писал в ветке про Африку, про тот же самый сценарий, уже неоднократно встречавшийся в последнее время. В данном случае это попытка легитимизировать неприемлемые решения через искусственно созданное "мировое общественное мнение". Очень хотелось бы надеяться, что с Россией такие штуки больше не будут получаться.
Этот Вася Малюк мог и не трудиться чего то там признавая, и так ни у кого по моему не было сомнений в том, чьих рук это дело.
По моему бесполезное сборище. Недавно я писал в ветке про Африку, про тот же самый сценарий, уже неоднократно встречавшийся в последнее время. В данном случае это попытка легитимизировать неприемлемые решения через искусственно созданное "мировое общественное мнение". Очень хотелось бы надеяться, что с Россией такие штуки больше не будут получаться.