Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

First battalion of former Ukrainian soldiers to join Russian forces – media​

"The unit has undergone the necessary training and is equipped for combat, the group’s commander told RIA Novosti"


 
Now I understand Fico’s refusal to send more jets and expensive air-defense systems to “Kyiv”. - Ukraine War Day #611: Fico The Scrivener – Part II

Let’s rewind the clock and go back in time to 2009. When Fico was Prime Minister (see, he has done this before, it’s not his first rodeo).

The is the winter of discontent. The year is 2009. Slovaks are shivering with cold. The delicious, warming Russian natural gas has ceased to transit into Slovakia via Ukraine. Factories are forced to shut down. This cutting off of Russian gas has cost the Slovak economy around 100 million Euros per day. A desperate Prime Minister Fico gets on the horn and phones Vladimir Putin, who is, at the time, the Prime Minister of Russia. They turn it into a conference call and loop in the Ukrainian Prime Minister, Julia Tymoshenko. Three Prime Ministers all on one call.

January 14, 2009. A Slovak delegation, headed by Fico, flies to Kiev to meet with Tymoshenko.

They are not met by a red carpet and marching band. Instead, rude Ukrainians force the Slovak delegation to wait 3 hours at the airport before anybody even bothers to come and pick them up.

Finally walking into what they think is going to be a closed meeting, the Slovaks discover that they are walking into a press conference teeming with paparazzi. Under the lights of a hundred cameras, Tymoshenko spends the next 20 minutes scolding Fico for allegedly taking Russia’s side in this gas war. Fico is so livid that he literally turns red with anger. “He was humiliated,” a high-ranking (but anonymous) Slovak official from that era, confided to Politico.

After this disaster, the Slovak delegation proceeded to fly to Moscow, where the reception could not have been more different: They were greeted as honored guests, and Putin even met with them in a triumphant ceremony inside the lavish Saint George Hall of the Kremlin. According to Alexander Duleba, an important Slovak political analyst, “It was after this incident that Fico began to conduct an openly anti-Ukrainian position. He would say things like, We don’t need to support Ukraine, Ukraine doesn’t need us, and they will never conduct meaningful talks with us. It’s personal with him.”

But Fico wasn’t the only Slovak being humiliated by Ukrainians. Two days after his unsuccessful trip to Kiev, namely on January 16, the Slovak President, Ivan Gašparovič, thought he would take a stab at fixing this problem; so he too flew to Kiev, in this case to meet with his own peer, President Viktor Yushchenko. Viktor was nicer than Julia, and he promised Ivan that Ukrainian NaftoGaz company would resume transit of gas into Slovakia. So, people wouldn’t have to huddle around their cold dead radiators, praying for warmth. Unfortunately, Yushchenko lied. Or rather, was overruled, by the head of NaftoGaz himself, who walked into the room and said “No gas for you.” The Politico reporter’s anonymous source concluded philosophically: “And so it befell the Ukrainians to humiliate both the Prime Minister and also the President of Slovakia.”

Moral of the story: Just like you learned in kindergarten: If you are nice to other people, then they will be nice back to you. And if the other way, then … the other way.
 
Bah voyons !! 66 milliards pour le corrompu drogué à la tête de l'Ukraine ! Et quoi encore ??? La guerre en Ukraine au coeur d’un casse-tête budgétaire pour l’UE
20 minutes (La guerre en Ukraine au coeur d’un casse-tête budgétaire pour l’UE)
La guerre en Ukraine au coeur d’un casse-tête budgétaire pour l’UE
Alors que le conflit ukrainien se prolonge et que les crises se multiplient, les 27 ont exposé leurs divisions sur la révision du cadre budgétaire de l’UE pour la période 2024-2027.
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Well let’s see!! 66 billion for the corrupt drug addict at the head of Ukraine! And what else??? https://www.20min.ch/fr/story/guerr...-decembre-va-etre-un-cauchemar-14056341801620 minutes (https://www.20min.ch/fr/story/guerr...ecembre-va-etre-un-cauchemar-140563418016)The war in Ukraine at the heart of a budgetary headache for the EUAs the Ukrainian conflict continues and crises multiply, the 27 have exposed their divisions on the revision of the EU budgetary framework for the period 2024-2027.
 
This has already been written about, but the figures have been updated somewhat.
Russia shot down 28 Ukrainian planes and 3 helicopters in a week
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation officially announced a series of strikes with precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) from October 21 to 27. In total, 19 group strikes were carried out on various strategic objects.

The targets of the strikes covered a wide range of military facilities, including arsenals with artillery ammunition, storage sites for unmanned boats, infrastructure of military airfields, fuel and lubricants bases.

The Ministry also confirmed that the strikes were carried out on the positions of Ukrainian servicemen, nationalists and foreign mercenaries. All targets were successfully hit.

In addition to this, the aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces and air defense means registered the destruction of 31 aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Among the destroyed aircraft are 20 MiG-29 fighters, 8 Su-25 attack aircraft, 1 Su-24 bomber, 2 L-39 combat training aircraft, 3 Mi-8 helicopters.

This information indicates the fact that the Russian army fully owns the initiative.
Россия за неделю сбила 28 украинских самолётов и 3 вертолёта

Lies and terror are the main weapons of these forces. A funny little man by the name of Kirby (by military rank, it seems like a whole admiral. How did he deserve it?) he lies so selflessly.
As for terror, it happens almost non-stop. Yesterday they reported an attempt on Oleg Tsarev in Yalta. So far, it is only known that he was taken to the hospital in serious condition.
The Russian Embassy called the US statement about executions in the Russian army a fake
The Embassy of the Russian Federation in the United States reacted sharply to the statements of John Kirby, coordinator for Strategic Communications of the US National Security Council, regarding the alleged executions in the Russian army of those soldiers who refuse to follow orders. The diplomatic mission of the Russian Federation described this statement as "disgusting, cynical to the limit, and unfounded."

In a comment posted on Telegram, the embassy accused the US administration of spreading fake information.

"The administration uses its favorite tools — throws absolutely monstrous fakes into the media space... The creator of such an outrageous lie can only be a person with an inflamed consciousness," the statement reads.

The embassy also noted that Kirby did not provide any concrete evidence or documentary evidence of his words, but only made general statements, referring to "mystical sources of information." In its response, the diplomatic mission stressed the courage, professionalism and heroism of the Russian military on the battlefield.
Посольство РФ назвало фейком заявление США о казнях в российской армии

Western technology continues to burn.
Four more Leopard tanks were destroyed in the Zaporozhye region, - Rogov

Russian forces destroyed at least four Leopard tanks of the Ukrainian army in the Orekhovsky direction in the Zaporozhye region during the day. This was announced by the chairman of the movement "We are together with Russia" Vladimir Rogov.

"There were about 10 units of heavy equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the attack between Rabotin and Verbov. These are tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. At least six units of them were Leopard. Ours worked on them with a "Sun" (heavy flamethrower system — ed.) and drones. At least four Leopard tanks were destroyed in this area," Rogov said in an interview with TASS.

The interlocutor of the agency also noted that active artillery duels are underway in the Orekhovsky direction. Ukrainian troops are firing multiple rocket launchers, using projectiles with a cluster warhead.

On Thursday, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported that the AFU lost 2 Leopard tanks and up to 85 servicemen in the Zaporozhye direction over the past day.

The Ukrainian army has been making unsuccessful offensive attempts since June 4. As Russian President Vladimir Putin said on October 5, Kiev lost over 90 thousand people and more than 550 tanks in four months. On October 15, Putin said that the AFU counteroffensive had completely failed, although Kiev was preparing new active offensive operations in certain sectors of the front.
https://rusvesna.su/news/1698408794

The sad fate of foreign mercenaries in Ukraine.
By the way, yesterday there was information that Israeli instructors began to offer experienced AFU soldiers to take part in their war with Hamas. Allegedly lured with money, Israeli citizenship and other "buns". This, in principle, was expected, but let's see how things go with them, because the authorities of ukroreikh should not be happy with this development of events.
The body of a British mercenary missing in Ukraine was found in a sewer — Sun

The police found the body of the missing British mercenary Daniel Burke in the sewer at the landfill in the Zaporozhye region, the Sun reported, citing the father of the deceased.

"The results of Daniel's DNA test are positive," the media quoted him as saying.

It is noted that the body found in the sewers at the landfill was found by the Australian-Algerian mercenary Abdelfetah Nurin. He told the police that he shot Burke by mistake. Earlier, Nurin said that before the disappearance, the Briton was with him at the training ground, but then left without him.

However, later in the correspondence quoted by the publication, when asked who killed Burke, the foreign mercenary replied: "Obviously I am, but it was not an intentional murder."

Commenting on why he said that Burke left the training ground without him, Abdelfetah said he did not know what to do after the incident.

According to the Sun, the Ukrainian police refused to confirm whether Nurin had left the country.

Earlier, the publication reported that the British mercenary Jordan Chadwick, whose body was found in Ukraine in a pond with his hands tied, was probably tortured and killed by another foreign mercenary.
https://rusvesna.su/news/1698433839

Об этом уже писали, но цифры несколько обновились.
Ложь и террор основные виды оружия этих сил. Смешной человечек по фамилии Кирби (по воинскому званию как будто целый адмирал. Как он это заслужил?) так самозабвенно лжет. Что касается террора, то он происходит практически без остановки. Вчера сообщали о покушении на Олега Царева в Ялте. Пока известно только, что он доставлен в больницу в тяжелом состоянии.
Западная техника продолжает гореть.
Печальные судьбы иностранных наемников на Украине.
Кстати, вчера появилась информация, что израильские инструкторы начали предлагать опытным ВСУшникам принять участие в их войне с ХАМАС. Якобы заманивают деньгами, израильским гражданством и прочими "плюшками". Это в принципе было ожидаемо, но посмотрим как у них пойдет дело ибо власти укрорейха не должны быть довольны таким развитием событий.
 
A somewhat unexpected use of technology. As they write in such cases- when shooting this video, not a single ukrop was injured.
Delivery of drinking water to the front line

Несколько неожиданное использование техники. Как пишут в таких случаях- при съемке данного видео ни один укроп не пострадал.
 
"Interesting" trends, "interesting" figures.
Dozens of Ukrainians have asked Russia to help return children selected in the EU

Dozens of Ukrainian families living in Western countries have applied to the Russian permanent mission to the UN since April 2023, who asked for help to return children selected by the services of these countries and at the same time reported pressure from Kiev, said Grigory Lukyantsev, director of the Department for Humanitarian Cooperation and Human Rights of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

Earlier, the first deputy permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN, Dmitry Polyansky, stated that a large number of people, among them refugees from Ukraine, applied to the permanent mission of Russia to the organization with a request to help return children selected by the authorities of European countries.

"Since April 2023, several dozen Ukrainian mothers and families have applied to the Permanent Mission of the Russian Federation to the UN in New York with a request to help them return their children… The applicants themselves frankly told us that the Ukrainian side hinted to them that they had problems of a certain political dimension," Lukyantsev said on Channel One.

He added that such appeals continue to arrive, and Russia is trying to sort out each case.
https://rusvesna.su/news/1698604649

30% of young Ukrainians have been saved in "enemy" Russia since February 2022

Despite the military conflict, about 30% of young Ukrainians have moved or been sent by their parents to "enemy" Russia since February 2022 — these are the data of anonymous surveys of more than 6 thousand Ukrainians from the Global Service and the Euporean Migration Support Bureau.

The majority of those who moved to Russia, which conducts its own on the territory of Ukraine and has already annexed Crimea and part of the southern territory of the former Ukrainian SSR following referendums, cite the following reasons:

— the easiest way to get to Russia was to escape from the war and mobilization;

— lack of a language barrier to study, work, communication, ignorance of EU languages;

— relatives live in Russia (since the USSR, the nineties or recently moved);

— it is easier to get a residence permit and a passport if the Russian Federation wins — this is a plus, if it loses — say, "the armies of Ukraine and NATO were waiting";

— it is better with the economy (despite sanctions), infrastructure, education;

— in the Russian Federation, you can work not only on heavy (in the field, service, etc.) jobs;

— less chance to get under mobilization and be at the front;

— life and rent are cheaper than in Poland, Germany, less bureaucracy;

— there is no negativity and persecution by default, as happens with those who left for the west of Ukraine.

At the same time, about 54% of those who moved to the Russian Federation said that they were "comfortable", another 20% said that "it's sickening, but you have to endure and hide it", and 26% said that "it doesn't matter which country to live in".

According to experts, in Russia, deportation to Ukraine is possible only in three cases.

The first is if fraud and violations are found in the documents submitted for citizenship.

The second one is for committing grave and especially grave crimes, spreading "fakes", non-recognition of territorial integrity, participation in the activities of an undesirable organization, calls for sanctions, draft evasion and desertion.

The third is that Russians who have renounced Ukrainian citizenship should not exercise the rights and obligations of Ukrainian citizens (for example, to vote in Ukrainian elections).
https://rusvesna.su/news/1698579429
 
Tattoo artists seem to have a hot time again. All previously impaled swastikas, wolfsangels, tridents and other similar shit now urgently need to be removed. This fool girl has an inscription on his chest on the video: "Russian ship, fuck you!". Now she'll probably pin a red star on her ass.
By the way, the caption to the video, in my opinion, is not correct. It would be more correct: now even ones with the sick head understand how the war will end.
Sane people in Ukraine understand how the war will end

Today I have already given some figures. Here's another small portion.
Ukraine. During the 20 months of the war, 6 million people left the country. Another 4 million are located in the territories controlled by Russia. Of those in Ukraine, 21% are unemployed and 2/3 are below the poverty line.
30.10.2023 Свежие сводки с Украины: Падение Авдеевки УЖЕ НЕИЗБЕЖНО! Российская армия изменяет свою структуру. Карта боевых действий (14 видео)

У мастеров тату похоже опять наступает горячая пора. Все ранее наколотые свастики, вольфсангели, тризубы и прочее подобное дерьмо теперь необходимо срочно удалять. У данной дуры на видео на груди надпись: "русский корабль, иди на хуй!". Теперь она наверно наколет красную звезду на жопе.
Кстати, подпись к видео , по моему не правильная. Правильнее будет так: теперь уже даже больные на всю голову понимают, чем закончится война.
Сегодня я уже приводил некие цифры. Вот еще небольшая порция.
 

The PTB is using the conflict in Palestine to stir up trouble in Russia.

A telegram channel, run by Ukrainian assets, was used to incite an anti-semitic group in Dagestan. They are reported to have stormed an airport, 'looking for Jews'.
 
La défense aérienne russe a abattu 24 avions en 5 jours. Les experts se demandent actuellement quelles armes ont été utilisées pour y parvenir. Cela n'est pas sans rappeler l' interception d'un F-35 italien au-dessus de la mer Baltique par un Su-30SM russe, dont l'approche n'avait pas été détectée par les instruments des avions américains. « C’est presque sorti de nulle part. J'étais très confus car je ne m'attendais pas à le voir d'aussi près ", raconte le pilote italien, décrivant ses premières impressions sur l'apparition soudaine du Su-30SM. Les mesures de camouflage développées par la Russie ne peuvent apparemment pas être pénétrées par la technologie américaine.
L'ancien officier de la marine américaine et plus tard inspecteur des armes de l'ONU en Irak, Scott Ritter, rend compte de la série de tirs contre des avions ukrainiens dans une interview avec Garland Nixon :
"Les Russes viennent de lancer ce qui est sans doute le programme de défense aérienne le plus sophistiqué de l’histoire. Nous ne comprenons pas ce qui s'est passé. Tout ce que nous savons, c'est que les avions sont détruits. Même si nous saturons le ciel avec nos radars, nous recherchons tout ce qui se trouve dans le ciel, mais les avions explosent tout simplement. Les Russes ont trouvé une solution."
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Russian air defense shot down 24 planes in 5 days. Experts are currently wondering what weapons were used to achieve this. This is reminiscent of the interception of an Italian F-35 over the Baltic Sea by a Russian Su-30SM, whose approach had not been detected by the instruments of the American planes. “It almost came out of nowhere. I was very confused because I didn't expect to see it so close," says the Italian pilot, describing his first impressions of the sudden appearance of the Su-30SM. The camouflage measures developed by Russia cannot apparently not penetrated by American technology.Former US Navy officer and later UN weapons inspector in Iraq, Scott Ritter, reports on the series of shootings against Ukrainian planes in an interview with Garland Nixon:"The Russians have just launched what is arguably the most sophisticated air defense program in history. We don't understand what happened. All we know is that the planes are being destroyed. Even though we saturate the sky with our radars, we search for everything in the sky, but the planes just blow up. The Russians have found a solution."
 
Bonjour ici Boris Karpov. La situation au Daghestan a été manipulée par les services ukrainiens à travers plusieurs chaînes telegram, visant à provoquer des troubles en Russie.
La situation est en cours de normalisation et toute tentative ultérieure, au Daghestan ou ailleurs, sera sévèrement et rapidement réprimée.
On note que sur l'ensemble des chaînes patriotes telegram Russes, quelles soutiennent ou critiquent les opérations d'Israël, condamnent sans l'ombre d'une hésitation l'action des émeutiers Daghestanais. Il n'y aura ni pogrom antijuif ni pogrom antimusulman en Russie !

Hello here Boris Karpov. The situation in Dagestan was manipulated by Ukrainian services through several telegram channels, aiming to provoke unrest in Russia.The situation is being normalized and any further attempts, in Dagestan or elsewhere, will be severely and quickly repressed.We note that on all Russian patriotic telegram channels, which support or criticize Israel's operations, condemn without a shadow of hesitation the action of the Dagestani rioters. There will be neither anti-Jewish nor anti-Muslim pogroms in Russia!
 
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Tass
Zelensky in denial about Ukrainian army's failure on battlefield — Time Magazine
"Despite the recent setbacks on the battlefield, Zelensky does not intend to give up fighting or to sue for any kind of peace," the author of the article wrote

Inspired By Washington Kiev Increases Terrorist Attacks In Russia
#RUSSIA#UKRAINE 27.10.2023 Video SouthFront


  • Russian strikes destroyed a command post near Serebryanka;
  • Russian strikes destroyed a command post near Lepetikha;
  • Russian strikes destroyed an ammo depot near Dubiyevka;
  • Russian artillery struck AFU military equipment near Sinkovka and Timkovka;
  • Russian artillery struck AFU military equipment near Maryinka;
  • Russian artillery struck AFU military equipment near Novomikhailovka;
  • Russian artillery struck AFU military equipment near Kleshchiivka and Andreevka;
  • Russian artillery struck AFU military equipment near Dibrova;
  • The Russian Army repelled Ukrainian attacks near Grigorovka;
  • The Russian Army repelled Ukrainian attacks near Novomikhailovka;
  • The Russian Army repelled Ukrainian attacks near Dibrova;
  • Russian forces eliminated 90 servicemen, two tanks, three infantry vehicles, two motor vehicles in the Kupyansk area;
  • Russian forces eliminated 70 servicemen and three pickup trucks in Krasny Liman area;
  • Russian forces eliminated 285 servicemen, two armoured vehicles, three motor vehicles, two M777 howitzers, one Gvozdika artillery system in the Donetsk area;
  • Russian forces eliminated 100 servicemen, two armoured personnel carriers, two pickup trucks, and one Giatsint-B gun in South Donetsk area;
  • Russian forces eliminated 220 servicemen, two tanks, two armored vehicles, three pickups, two M777 howitzers, one Krab artillery system, one Msta-B howitzer in Zaporozhye region;
  • Russian forces eliminated 70 servicemen, three motor vehicles, Msta-B and D-20 howitzers, one Giatsint-B gun in Kherson region;
  • Russian air defense systems shot down 39 Ukrainian drones over the past day.





Updated 4:29 PM GMT+1, October 27, 2023
KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Scores of protesters gathered on the streets of Ukrainian cities on Friday to demand a cap of 18 months on mandatory military service, amid new suggestions of possible Ukrainian and international weariness with the 20-month war.

Both the warring sides are striving to keep their military momentum, though neither side has been able to land a knockout blow, and the fighting is expected to drag on deep into next year.

Ukraine ordered a general mobilization of the male population between the ages of 25 to 60 when Russia launched its invasion on Feb. 24, 2022. The vast majority joined up as volunteers. As the war grinds on, Ukraine has ramped up the draft.

The 18-month service limit sought by the protesters would be the same maximum as before the war. It is currently open-ended for draftees. The protesters, who are part of a loose national network, want the Verkhovna Rada, Ukraine’s parliament, to consider possible alternatives on service time.

Tass
Russian diplomat says Kiev regime played key role in Dagestani airport incident
"The promptness of Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky's statements and publications, as well as their content, is direct evidence that the sabotage attack in the media that was perpetrated by Kiev's special services was coordinated," Maria Zakharova pointed out

 
One of the important parts of the truth in this case is that the Ukrainian "commanders" command, at best, only from a part, and perhaps they are only nominal commanders at all, and, of course, in this case, hardly anyone wants to substitute their head for decisions not made by you.
In Ukraine, they confessed to hiding the shameful truth about the AFU
AFU officer: Ukrainian commanders hide their names because of losses at the front


MOSCOW, Oct 31 — RIA Novosti. Ukrainian commanders hide their names in order to avoid condemnation for failures at the front, said an AFU officer with the call sign Artie Green in an interview with the ALPHA Media Youtube channel. "

"Where are those who were shot, demoted, or at least repressed? (commanders. — Editor's note) In general, I would demote them to the rank and file and send them to these very assaults. <...> This is nonsense in general, I have never heard of commanders being classified for the troops themselves," Green was indignant.
According to the officer, in order to increase the attractiveness of service in the army, it is necessary to increase the prestige of the Ukrainian troops, but the AFU does not have reputable generals. They, the serviceman noted, hide even from officers, which often leads to mistakes at the front.
Earlier, a correspondent of Time magazine in Kiev, citing an unnamed assistant to Zelensky, said that some Ukrainian military refuse to go on the offensive even by direct order of the President of Ukraine.
На Украине сознались в сокрытии постыдной правды про ВСУ

In a certain sense, this news echoes the previous one. Here the Nazi is worried about the possible loss of Ukraine, but Ukraine in its current form is an artificially created construct that is not viable on its own, and it is natural that this construct will collapse as soon as external support disappears or weakens. In my understanding, this is what I wrote about at the very beginning of SMO- there is nothing to fight for. Ukies claim that they are fighting for "freedom" in a situation where this "freedom" was not and is not initially and by definition. To some extent, you can deceive yourself and try to deceive others, but everything has a limit.
The wounded soldier of the National Battalion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine addressed the Ukrainians with an alarming message
Soldier of the National Battalion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Yabchanka: Ukraine will disappear if everyone does not go to war


MOSCOW, Oct 31 — RIA Novosti. Ukraine will disappear if all its citizens do not take part in the conflict, said Alexander Yabchanka, a member of the National Battalion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Da Vinci Wolves" in an interview with the Espresso channel.
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"I'm just calling now — not everyone in the trench, but everyone to war, fight as you can, but understand that the question here is that we can remain without a country," Yabchanka said.
He also expressed the opinion that all Ukrainians should constantly keep in mind the idea of total mobilization and take part in hostilities, if not directly, then supporting the AFU financially.
A martial law regime has been in effect in Ukraine since February 24, 2022, the next day President Vladimir Zelensky signed a decree on general mobilization. Men between the ages of 18 and 60 are prohibited from leaving the country. Summonses can be handed in a variety of places: on the streets, gas stations or in cafes. At the same time, the security forces and the military practice roundups of conscripts, often using violence.
According to Sergei Rakhmanin, a member of the National Security and Defense Committee of the Verkhovna Rada, mobilization will have to be strengthened. Vladislav Shevchuk, a company commander of the 80th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, also spoke to the Ukrainian media about the need for a total draft.
Раненый солдат нацбата ВСУ обратился к украинцам с тревожным посланием

Одна из немаловажных частей правды в данном случае заключается в том, что украинские "командующие" командуют, в лучшем случае, лишь от части а возможно и вовсе являются лишь номинальными командующими и ,конечно же в таком случае, подставлять свою голову за не тобой принятые решения вряд ли кто захочет.
В определенном смысле эта новость перекликается с предыдущей. Здесь нацист переживает о возможной потере Украины, но Украина в нынешнем виде это искусственно созданный, не жизнеспособный самостоятельно конструкт и естественно, что этот конструкт рухнет, как только исчезнет или ослабнет внешняя поддержка. В моем понимании это то самое, о чём я писал в самом начале СВО- не за что воевать. Укры заявляют, что они воюют за "свободу" в ситуации, когда этой "свободы" не было и нет изначально и по определению. До какой то степени можно самообманываться и пытаться обманывать окружающих, но у всего есть предел.
 

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