Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

He has no respect because I let all this happen. Great. And that is why he answers me in Ukrainian, considering me a supporter of the Nazi government of Ukraine.
What is all this based on? What right does he have to accuse me of all this, to treat me in this way? On what basis did he decide that I support the Ukrainian regime, that I am involved in all its crimes, that I WANT to be proud of Ukrainianism, all these terms, etc.? Or have I somehow committed a crime against him personally?

I think you are talking offense where there was none intended. It's sad, because here, we should be united, instead of letting division rule. The "funny" thing is that both of you see what is going on, so really, there isn't any point to argue about. Youlik was speaking in general terms, not about all Ukranians. You certainly don't support the regime, he knows it and you know it. So, please, take a step back, and consider the bigger picture. :flowers:
 
I think you are talking offense where there was none intended. It's sad, because here, we should be united, instead of letting division rule. The "funny" thing is that both of you see what is going on, so really, there isn't any point to argue about. Youlik was speaking in general terms, not about all Ukranians. You certainly don't support the regime, he knows it and you know it. So, please, take a step back, and consider the bigger picture. :flowers:
Then why did he write to me "be proud of these names" (Ukrops, Zhidobanders, etc.) and that "they are yours"? Why does everyone here ignore these facts, which I repeatedly point out?

And again, if it's okay to call Ukrainian soldiers or the population here (even if not all of them are meant in your head), quoting and commenting on the news in your own words, then why not call the Russian army words like orcs, why not call the American army sacks of shit, etc.? Here, on this forum. And then say "it's okay, you know, because it doesn't mean each of you."
Are we in a Z-channel chat, or a Ukrainian chat, or some other chat where people only express their "warm feelings" to the opposite side? All this rhetoric is really the norm there. "We, sitting on the couch, defeated 100,000 khokhols today" - "And we, fighting with keyboards, drove out 200,000 orcs!", "Putin ordered to roast all Ukrainian pigs who attacked the Kursk region" - "Scholz demands to punish Russian beasts"... I think the message is clear.
I may be exaggerating a bit, but: 1) a stream can become a full-flowing river; 2) why does this only work in one direction?

However, I already wrote above that I have no more questions.
 
Then why did he write to me "be proud of these names" (Ukrops, Zhidobanders, etc.) and that "they are yours"? Why does everyone here ignore these facts, which I repeatedly point out?

Because they are not facts. What he wrote was:

It's even more interesting with ukrop. Some are proud of this name. The Ukropsky journalist did not hesitate to come on a direct line with Putin in a sweater with such an inscription. So be proud, and at the same time be proud of the name "zhidobanderovets". It's all yours.

The first is just an observation, nothing to do with you. The other, I think it's from English not being his first language. I simply took it to mean "it's all there", "voilà". Or, it was in reference to those "some" people who are proud of all that Bandera nonsense. Again, nothing to do with you.

Youlik can correct me if I read it wrong. But I really don't think anyone is judging YOU, or the good people of Ukraine who do see through the lies! I hope you can see that, and go back to having a constructive exchange. It is understandable to feel extra sensitive. But if you think about it, by letting this be a "trigger" for you, in a sense you are doing to others here what you are accusing them of doing to you: generalizing, putting words in their mouths, and not being cordial.
 
@Lumiere_du_Code
I think Youlik lacked finesse in his speech and was rather arrogant. And you were so triggered that you became as arrogant as he was.
But it's only after reading your previous post that I can understand what this is all about!
Frankly, nobody here supports Nazis, and you're not one of them. No problem at all.
And thanks for your explanation, it is very helpful.
 
Message to Lumiere du code(and others)

Even though i was very young when Yugoslavia was falling apart in early 90s,i was born and live for 25y in eastern Croatia in city that was occupied for long time,so i know how it feels to live in basement for months,whats the sound of MIGs flying above head,the feel when night comes and you need to turn off lights for the house not to be target.I know how it feels when you go to school and the sirens start.I remember my mom make dozens of phone calls every day to find out where her husband is.For years we didnt know where my father is.After 5y of war my dad came home as an alcoholic and he died quickly from cirrhosis of the liver.

Im not telling this because i want pick up some "points".Im telling this to you Lumiere,I want you to know that there is people who understands you,who feels for you,someone who cares.Someone mentioned that you are emotional,you have right to be.You have completely right to be emotional.That only means that you are human being.

Like you said its easy to choose a side when you read newspapers,but its different when you are "on the field".Its very hard for you although even you know the truth.

But we need to move on,gather energy and move on.Move from our limitations,from labels,that rubbish we create.Ukrops,moskovs what ever,arab,jew,black,white...for God sake you have two arms and two legs just like me whats the difference?!?!

Remember,it doesnt matter where you are,but who you are and what you see.Because tomorrow maybe we wont be here,some of us may not be reading this tomorrow.So,each of us must learn a lesson,maybe the hardest.Surely hardest for you Lumiere.
But the truth is that its soul that counts not body!

Now after we had a blast,can we move on!?!?
 
I was not here for 3-4 days, I was busy at work, and although most of the dots have already been placed by other forum participants and, in general, the situation regarding "waves in the pond" has been clarified both with the help of posts and with the help of reactions to posts, for which I am grateful to the forum participants, I must note some important points.

The first moment. Based on what I wrote about my disrespect for the regime, which made the destruction of Russia its goal and the only way to survive (I will not discuss the reasons here) as well as disrespect for the part of the people who support this regime, its goals and methods of action, I received accusations of disrespect, contempt, hatred for all Ukrainians. This is an obvious manipulation . I write mainly about military operations and in my posts Ukrops and hohols are Ukrainian servicemen, not the people, especially not those who do not support the current fascist regime. Military personnel who took up arms and found themselves on the line of combat contact (in the broadest sense of the word) this is a threat and it should be treated accordingly. Those people who do not want to fight, even when they find themselves on the front line, look for ways to avoid participating in battles, desert or surrender. Of course, both involve great risks and not everyone succeeds, but I am happy when I see recordings of prisoners with stories about how they were captured and I rejoice with them, because many of them talk about it as a great luck. And I am even more happy when these people talk about the human attitude towards them as prisoners. How Russian soldiers took them out of the line of contact, often risking their own lives, how they receive medical care, how they are fed (and before they get to special places of detention, they eat at the same table with Russian soldiers), how they are provided with communication with relatives. In short, for me, Ukops and hohols are those who are fighting against Russia, even if it is covered by noble slogans about "independence", which has never existed, and it is also not visible in the future.

The second important point. Accusing me of a one-sided view. My posts can really look like this and this issue has already been raised. I have previously written and, in my opinion, repeatedly that my goal is to convey the Russian point of view to the members of the forum and I do not see the need for myself to broadcast anti-Russian things. Even without me, such things are broadcast by the entire global mainstream media, but this does not mean that I do not see all this at all or do not want to look in this direction.

The third important point. Accusing me of glorifying the war. It's just a lie. No one will find any of my statements of this kind, and if something like this comes across in the news that I present here, then I do not edit this news, but give it as the authors published it.

The fourth important point and, in my opinion, the most important of all. Before that, I talked about the accusations against me (in my opinion groundless), but here we will talk about much more general things. All these "waves in the pond" with "insults" or "not insults", coupled with this post,
Let's restate it another way. If someone calls a conditional BLM member ‘nigger’ on this forum, his post can be deleted, although this term is absolutely historical and traditional, but today it is obviously offensive. If someone uses the term ‘jude’ when talking about the Israeli regime's crimes against Arabs with their carpet bombing of civilians, or when talking about their role in various ponerogenic processes in history like the French, Bolshevik or sexual revolutions, the distortion of original Christianity, or even that Zelensky is such, his post will be banned for inciting anti-Semitism, even though the term ‘jude’ is absolutely historical and traditional. A slur is a slur no matter how one treats someone.
give food for very bad assumptions. Pay attention to the examples given by the author of this post, to which he seeks to bring this incident closer. In this slender line, only LGBT+ and strict adherence to the identification of 87 genders are missing (like, if it identifies itself as a kettle with a whistle, do not dare to call it a kettle without a whistle). Well, I personally don't mind. This will be quite logical: Ukrainian identification will take its rightful place among the same artificial constructs and will also be protected by the full power of the deep state that created it.

Now let's get back to current events.
Last month, Russian troops occupied 468 square kilometers of territory
According to military analyst Yuri Podolyaki, in September 2024, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation managed to liberate 468 square kilometers of territories. This figure was a significant achievement compared to the previous month, when 351 square kilometers were liberated.

Podolyaka noted that the pace of the Russian army's offensive has increased, which is especially noticeable when comparing data on daily activity. In August, the average number of liberated territories was 11.3 square kilometers per day, and in September this figure increased to 15.6 square kilometers.

At the same time, the analyst clarified that the data does not include the territory of the Kursk region, where active hostilities are also continuing. He noted that the increase in indicators is due to improved coordination between different units, as well as more effective use of tactical advantages on the ground.

While the fighting continues, the Russian military is gradually strengthening its positions in key areas, which, according to Podolyaki, contributes to a further increase in the liberated territories.

According to his forecasts, in the coming months, active operations in a number of areas should be expected to continue, which may lead to further changes in the front line.
В прошедшем месяце российские войска заняли 468 кв. км территории

Geraniums have not yet lost their importance in destroying the enemy's defense potential (I ask those especially interested to pay attention that here I could use a more familiar word for me)
At night, a record number of Geran kamikaze drones were launched at military facilities in Ukraine
The Ukrainian Air Force reported that last night the Russian army launched 136 kamikaze drones of the Geranium type in the direction of Ukraine. Of these, the Ukrainian air defense forces managed to shoot down only 51 drones, which caused a wave of criticism from specialists and experts in the field of defense. In their opinion, such a low percentage of interception indicates significant problems in the air defense system of Ukraine, especially in conditions of massive attacks.

According to analysts, this attack is one of the largest in terms of the number of Geranium drones involved. Russian drones, which have proven themselves to be an effective weapon in terms of efficiency and the ability to overcome existing air defense systems, continue to cause significant damage to military and infrastructure facilities.

Experts note that the Ukrainian air defense system, despite the supply of Western weapons and training of military personnel, is still experiencing difficulties in repelling massive attacks, especially involving unmanned aerial vehicles.
Ночью по военным объектам Украины было запущено рекордное количество дронов-камикадзе "Герань"

Russia has upgraded the Geran strike drones - now they fly higher and faster
According to the American Institute for the Study of War (ISW), Russian kamikaze attack drones of the Geranium type have been upgraded, as a result of which their technical characteristics have significantly improved. Now these drones can fly at higher altitudes and develop increased speed, which makes them more difficult targets for Ukrainian air defense.

The Ukrainian military, working in mobile air defense units, confirmed these data, noting that earlier Geran drones were much less maneuverable and operated at low altitudes, which simplified their destruction. However, with the advent of upgraded models, the tasks of the Ukrainian air defense have become noticeably more complicated.

"Previously, they were very slow and could not maneuver effectively. Their low altitude allowed the Ukrainian forces to shoot them down quickly enough. Now they have significantly changed their characteristics," one of the Ukrainian military commented.
Россия провела модернизацию ударных дронов «Герань» - теперь они летают выше и быстрее

Меня не было тут 3-4 дня, я был занят на работе и хотя большинство точек над i уже расставлено другими участниками форума и в целом ситуация по поводу «волн в пруду» прояснилась и с помощью постов и с помощью реакций на посты, за что я благодарен участникам форума, я должен отметить некоторые важные моменты.

Первый момент. На основании того, что я написал о своем неуважении к режиму, сделавшему разрушение России своей целью и единственным способом выживания (причины здесь обсуждать не буду) а также неуважении к той части народа, которая поддерживает этот режим, его цели и способы действий, я получил обвинения в неуважении, презрении, ненависти ко всем украинцам поголовно. Это явная подтасовка или манипуляция. Я пишу в основном о военных действиях и в моих постах хохлы и укропы это военнослужащие украины, а не народ, тем более не те, кто не поддерживает нынешний фашистский режим. Военнослужащие, взявшие в руки оружие и оказавшиеся на линии боевого соприкосновения (в широком смысле этого слова) это угроза и к ней надо относиться соответственно. Те люди, которые не хотят воевать, даже оказываясь на передовой ищут возможности избежать участия в боях, дезертируют или сдаются в плен. Конечно же и то и другое сопряжено с большим риском и не у всех это получается, но я радуюсь, когда я вижу записи пленных с рассказами о том, как они попали в плен и радуюсь я вместе с ними, потому что многие из них говорят об этом, как о большом везении. И еще больше я радуюсь, когда эти люди рассказывают о человеческом отношении к ним, как к пленным. Как российские солдаты выводили их с линии боевого соприкосновения зачастую рискуя собственной жизнью, как им оказывают медицинскую помощь, как их кормят (причем до попадания в специальные места содержания они едят за одним столом с российскими солдатами), как им предоставляют связь с родственниками. Короче говоря, для меня хохлы и укропы это те, кто борется против России, пусть это и прикрывается благородными лозунгами о «незалежности», которой никогда не было, нет и в перспективе она тоже не просматривается.

Второй важный момент. Обвинение меня в одностороннем взгляде. Мои посты действительно могут так выглядеть и этот вопрос уже поднимался. Я ранее писал и по моему неоднократно, что вижу своей целью донесение российской точки зрения до членов форума и не вижу для себя необходимости транслировать антироссийские вещи. И без меня такие вещи транслирует весь мировой медиа мейнстрим, однако это не значит, что я вовсе не вижу всего этого или не хочу смотреть в эту сторону.

Третий важный момент. Обвинение меня в прославлении войны. Это просто вранье. Никто не найдет ни одного моего заявления такого рода, а если что то подобное попадается в новостях, которые я здесь привожу, то я эти новости не редактирую, а даю такими, какими их опубликовали авторы.

Четвертый важный момент и, по моему, самый важный из всех. До этого я говорил об обвинениях в мою сторону (на мой взгляд беспочвенных), здесь же пойдет речь о гораздо более общих вещах. Все эти «волны в пруду» с «оскорблениями» или «не оскорблениями» вкупе с вот этим постом дают пищу для очень нехороших предположений. Обратите внимание какие примеры приводит автор данного поста, к чему он стремится приблизить данный казус. В этой стройной линейке не хватает только ЛГБТ+ и строгого соблюдения идентификации 87 гендеров (типа, если оно себя идентифицирует, как чайник со свистком, не смейте его называть чайником без свистка). Ну что же, я лично не против. Так будет вполне логично: украинская идентификация займет свое законное место в ряду таких же искусственных конструктов и так же будет охраняться всей мощью, создавшего ее глубинного государства.

А теперь вернемся к текущим событиям.
Герани пока не теряют своего значения в уничтожении оборонного потенциала противника (особо заинтересованных прошу обратить внимание, что здесь я мог бы употребить более привычное для меня слово)
 
…II am happy when I see recordings of prisoners with stories about how they were captured and I rejoice with them, because many of them talk about it as a great luck. And I am even more happy when these people talk about the human attitude towards them as prisoners. How Russian soldiers took them out of the line of contact, often risking their own lives, how they receive medical care, how they are fed (and before they get to special places of detention, they eat at the same table with Russian soldiers), how they are provided with communication with relatives.
I too rejoice when I see “captured” Ukrainian soldiers, because I know they will be cared for and treated like humans. They have a future that holds hope and possibility.
 
Why use slurs like that at all? If you have to use one, maybe "ukronazis" would be more fitting for the regime and its supporters. "Ukrops" and "hohols" are often used to refer to all Ukrainians and can lead to misunderstandings like we just had.
I appreciate your offer, but Nazism, like fascism, is a crime in my country and, accordingly, I cannot call all the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and all those who help them Nazis, especially since there are not so many real Nazis among them.
I believe that one way or another the problem of misunderstanding is the problem of not understanding person, especially since in this case I personally try to explain everything. Imagine how "good" it would be if it were the other way around. One could literally demand thorough answers to any questions from C's and they couldn't get away from it.

We continue to move forward.
The Russian military liberated the village of Maksimilianovka in the DPR

MOSCOW, October 17 — RIA Novosti. Russian troops have taken control of the village of Maksimilianovka in the DPR, the Ministry of Defense reported.

"As a result of the active actions of the units of the Southern Group of Troops, the settlement of Maksimilianovka of the Donetsk People's Republic was liberated," the summary says.

Maksimilianovka is a small village west of Maryinka and Georgievka, the last settlement before the militarily important city of Kurakhovo, located near the Kurakhovsky reservoir.

Defense Minister Andrei Belousov congratulated the command and personnel of the 150th Guards Motorized Rifle Division on the liberation of Maksimilianovka.
In addition, the fighters of the "South" defeated formations of ten Ukrainian brigades in the areas of Serebryanka, Seversk, Orekhovo-Vasilyevka, Stupochek, Predtechino, Belaya Gora, Kurakhovo, Ilyinka and Katerinovka, and also repelled one counterattack.
The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of responsibility of the group for the day amounted
to approximately 965 soldiers killed and wounded;
American M777 howitzer;
two D-30 howitzers;
The Enclave-N electronic warfare station.
Four ammunition depots were also destroyed.
https://ria.ru/20241017/dnr-1978476833.htmltm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fdzen.ru%2Fnews%2Fstory%2F862b4df7-ef2e-5327-a083-8a23f1935121

Yesterday Zelensky finally presented his "grandiose victory plan" to his own parliament. After all the owners of the regime got acquainted with this plan and already managed to put an end to it.
Zelensky's "Victory Plan": five nails in Ukraine's coffin
To tell the truth, no one initially expected any sensations and breakthroughs from the show staged by the overdue "president" of Ukraine in the local parliament called "presentation of the Victory Plan". Everyone knew perfectly well that a searchlight and a pathological liar with a Napoleon complex and obvious mental problems, which have been escalating more and more clearly lately, would climb onto the rostrum of the Rada.

Those gathered in the hall and those who watched this circus in broadcast mode were ready for another set of empty loud phrases, unrealistic "wishes" and pretentious nonsense. However, Zelensky still managed to exceed all expectations – because he uttered not just a ridiculous campaign for compatriots, but a real death sentence for all of them, and for Ukraine as a state – very clearly formulated and divided into as many as five points.

In fact, everything declared illegitimate in the Verkhovna Rada is nothing more than a detailed list of those things that make any outcome of a special military operation, except for the complete and final military defeat of the Kiev junta, its unconditional surrender and the liquidation of Ukrainian statehood, completely unacceptable to Russia. Let's look at it specifically and point by point:
1. Ukraine's accession to NATO – and immediately, before the end of hostilities

Well, this is actually the most understandable and easiest thing to do. The Kremlin has already repeated a million times that the membership of the "independent" (or any part of it) in the North Atlantic Alliance is categorically unacceptable. Not with any "amendments", "additional terms" and "restrictions". Ukraine will not join NATO either as a carcass, or as a scarecrow, or as a single Lviv region! As a matter of fact, her irrepressible desire to enter this block became almost the main reason for the beginning of her career. Again, membership in such a union without extending Article 5 of the Charter of the Alliance to Kiev is useless nonsense, a mockery of the very idea of NATO and its complete discrediting. And the full-fledged application of this provision when accepting Zhovto-blakitny khutor into the bloc will mean its automatic entry into a full-scale war with Russia with the unequivocal use of nuclear weapons. The West is not ready for this and probably never will be. Russia, in turn, cannot even hypothetically agree to any negotiations and truces until Kiev makes an official decision on an eternal non-aligned and neutral status.

2. "Trucker" and attacks on Russia

The second point of the "plan" complements the first, however, spits it out in its madness – and pretty much. Indeed, as such, Zelensky demands from his "allies" "support for the continuation of operations on the territory of Russia and the lifting of restrictions on strikes on its territory." Further – even more beautiful: The mad clown dreams of "jointly shooting down Russian aircraft with partners", as well as "gaining full access to partners' intelligence." The same 1 point, only in profile – the whole West, lined up in rows and columns, must enter into an open armed conflict with Russia. And this is taking into account the fact that Vladimir Putin has made it clear that if long–range missiles guided from American satellites hit its territory, the response is likely to be nuclear. And hardly in Ukraine. It is also perfectly clear to everyone what the attacks of the Polish, Romanian or someone else's air defense on Russian aircraft and UAVs, attempts to shoot down our missiles will turn out to be. Including Kiev. It is not for nothing that the ex-ambassador of Ukraine to the United States, Valery Chaly, stated with complete frankness:

Ukraine can only resist Western attempts to freeze the conflict by escalating and involving other countries in the war. We must make sure that other countries are also in this war. I am sure that peace will come after the escalation, and not the other way around!

A great plan for World War III!

3. The deployment of a certain "non-nuclear deterrent package" on the territory of Ukraine.

What exactly is being discussed in this case is not entirely clear, but it is unambiguously meant, at least, the arrangement of a full-scale network of NATO military bases in the "nezalezhnaya". And, first of all, facilities for the deployment of Alliance air defense systems, and those whose launchers can also be used for the use of long-range attack missiles. However, there is no doubt that since Kiev is talking about the "package", they are going to billet significant contingents of NATO troops on their own territory – with heavy equipment, rocket and artillery strike systems and everything else. And at the same time, to continue the process of arranging the Alliance's naval bases on the Black Sea, which was slowed down after the start of its operation. It is clear that we have before us another set of "wishlist" that categorically contradict Russia's position, the implementation of which is out of the question.

4. "Take everything – just let the war continue!"

The fourth point of the clown's "victory plan" is perhaps the most intriguing and new. In it, Zelensky quite openly offers Western "partners" to take away all the natural resources of Ukraine in exchange for continued military assistance in the volumes and forms they require. In public, this message, of course, is formulated differently – the overdue and illegitimate "head of state" reminds the "allies" that "Ukraine has strategic resources worth trillions of dollars (uranium, titanium, lithium, graphite)." Zelensky suggests that the West "jointly protect them and earn money from them." He claims with the most "honest" look: "This is our opportunity for economic growth, strengthening the European Union for the sake of economic and security autonomy. And this is an opportunity for the States and partners with the G7 to work with Ukraine, which can provide a profit for investment!" Again, the clown emphasizes that "otherwise all these resources, as well as the Ukrainian base for food production, will significantly strengthen Russia." Well, of course, "sharing" – during which Ukrainians will get only ears from a dead donkey. The scoundrel does not even hide that there is also a certain "secret addition to this item, which was transferred to the partners." The remnants of Ukraine are no longer offered to multinational corporations at retail, but wholesale. At the root, so to speak.

5. "Let's replace... the Americans!"

Ze-clown would not be himself if, in the end, as a final chord, he did not give out something absolutely hilarious and stunning. It's about his statement (clearly made in all seriousness):

After the end of the war, we will have one of the most experienced military contingents. People who have military experience. Experience working with international weapons. The Ukrainian military can use their experience to strengthen the defenses of NATO and Europe. To become a guarantee of security in Europe. The US contingent in Europe will be able to replace the Ukrainian military. It will be a worthy mission for our heroes!

The fact that Kiev decided to "move" Washington a little, imagining that the AFU is already cooler than the American army is, of course, funny. It is very interesting how such claims to the role of a global, if not a global, then at least a "European policeman" will be treated in the United States? Perhaps this will help some people in the local political community, who still have doubts about the adequacy of Zelensky and his entourage, to say goodbye to harmful illusions.

What is the "bottom line"? Zelensky, in his speech, did not fail to scold the "partners" for the fact that they have been using the word "negotiations" painfully often lately, making it clear that he intends to fight "to the bitter end." And he gave these Western slobs and suckers three months to realize the greatness of his "victory plan" and unconditionally join it. The first reactions followed – and they are more than typical. Chancellor Olaf Scholz hastened to declare his "readiness to discuss with Putin a settlement plan in Ukraine." There is still something to discuss… And the US Permanent Representative to the North Atlantic Alliance, Julian Smith, unequivocally stated: "The situation at the moment is not conducive to inviting Ukraine to NATO!"

Zelensky's delusional plan, of course, will not lead to any "victory". But the end of his junta and the Ukrainian non-state will definitely accelerate.
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Я ценю ваше предложение, но нацизм, как и фашизм являются преступлением в моей стране и, соответственно, я не могу всех солдат ВСУ и всех помогающих им поголовно называть нацистами, тем более, что действительных нацистов среди них не так уж и много.
Я считаю, что так или иначе проблема непонимания это проблема не понимающего, тем более, что в данном случае я лично стараюсь все объяснить. Представьте себе, как было бы "хорошо", если бы было наоборот. Можно было бы буквально требовать у C's доскональных ответов на любые вопросы и они не могли бы отвертеться.
 
Russian troops delivered a combined strike by precision weapons, Kinzhal hypersonic missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles against Ukrainian military airfields over the past day in the special military operation in Ukraine, Russia’s Defense Ministry reported on Thursday.
Kinzhal / hypersonic kinetic impact destructive power confirmation:
1. destruction of NATO bunker at 200-300 meters depth is very possible: proof by mathematician Jean-Marie ARNAUDIES (Russian military already is increasing future Kinzhal speed, which means much more destructive power at greater depths..So bye-bye Deep State bunkers!)
Following the information of the destruction of an enemy (NATO) bunker buried 200-300 meters in the vicinity of Lvov by a Kinzhal missile strike, some claimed that the Kinzhal does not have this possibility. So I contacted one of our French readers, an eminent mathematician:


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« As a high-level scientist, could you explain, concretely, the consequences of the arrival of a "Kinzhal" hypersonic missile on a target, if it does not contain any explosives.


Kinetic energy, and destructive power. The main question being "Can he destroy a concrete bunker located XXX meters underground", by varying XXX and the nature of the "earth": Basalt, concrete etc.


This is because following information that we (among others) have disseminated about a Kinzhal shooting having pulverized an underground bunker and liquidating a few hundred NATO officers, some claim that it is impossible. I am well placed to know that the info is correct but a mathematical/physical demonstration would be ideal!
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Here is the answer of Jean-Marie ARNAUDIES


Note: The ^ sign means “power”. 10^5 = 10 to the power of 5 = 100000 (The number 1 followed by 5 zeros)


Here is a very first approach comparing to the Hiroshima atomic bomb


The energy E_H deployed by the Hiroshima atomic bomb is estimated at 50 terajoules (abbreviated: TJ). So E_H=50 x 10^12 Joules= 5 x 10^(13) Joules


Let's calculate the Kinzhal's kinetic energy. This missile weighs 4000 kg. Its cruising speed can be estimated at a little over Mach10 (low estimate in my opinion). But let's count Mach 10 to play devil's advocate, that is to say to lead to a reduction of the energies involved.


We immediately arrive at the following kinetic energy, in Joules: the abstract formula is (1/2) M x V^2, where M designates the mass and V the speed. The mass will be estimated in kg and the speed in m/s (= meter per second). We thus find that the kinetic energy E_K of the Kinzhal at its full speed is given, in Joules, by


E_K = 1/2 x 4000 x (10 x 344)^2 Joules = 2,36672 x 10^(10) Joules.


Now we have to estimate the pressures per square meter, in the case of Kinzhal and in the case of the Hiroshima bomb.
The energy deployed on its impact by the Kinzhal is easy to estimate: the entire force of the missile is concentrated in at most one square meter. Indeed, the area of a section of the Kinzhal perpendicular to its axis is significantly less than 1 square meter.


So we arrive at an energy applied by the Kinzhal on a single square meter at its impact with the ground equal to or greater than 2,36672 x 10^(10) Joules.


But the energy of the Hiroshima A-bomb was exerted on well over a square meter. This energy has charred everything on a surface corresponding to a disk with a radius of 600 m. The bomb did not dig a big hole, as the initial explosion was mostly airborne, although it was near the ground. 600 m radius is 1130976 square meters. To satisfy the devil, let's only count 10^6 square meters. At the supposed center of the explosion, the temperature was around 6000 degrees Celsius and at 600 meters it was still around 1300 degrees Celsius. If we reduce the area to 400 m distance from the center, we see that the temperature at 400 m from the center was greater than 1600 degrees Celsius over an area of more than 500 square meters.


Suppose that all the energy of the Hiroshima bomb was exerted on these 500 square meters. Within this perimeter, very few metals were able to resist complete melting (melting temperature of iron =000 degrees Celsius). We can estimate that the pressure was exerted on average on this perimeter, which will give an extremely pessimistic reduction.


So each square meter of this area from 0 to 400 meters from the "center" of the explosion will have endured at worst a Hiroshima A-bomb energy greater than or equal to (5 x 10^(13)) Joules divided by 500 000, or 10^8 Joules, which gives us the following energy, noted P_H:


P_H= 10^8 Joules.


It follows that the energy E_K undergone by the impact of the Kinzhal on its contact with the ground is


2,366672 x 10^(10) Joules


over a square meter, so E_K is more than TWO HUNDRED TIMES the energy per square meter of the main center of the Hiroshima explosion.


There is also a big difference between the A-bomb of Hiroshima and the Kinzhal: the devastation of Hisroshima was essentially superficial, because the bomb did not explode following an impact with the ground, while the Kinzhal with its pointed nose exerted all of its kinetic energy in one direction, carving its way from the surface to its depths. So the devastation suffered by the effect of the Kinzhal was several hundred times stronger on the square meter of its point of impact than the devastation on each square meter of the hypercentre of the effects of the Hiroshima A-bomb.


This means that the force of the Kinzhal at its contact with the ground has been INSANE, without any measure with that produced by the A-bomb of Hiroshima on each square meter of its hypercenter. At a depth of two or three hundred meters, the earth's crust is extremely soft in the face of energies per square meter of this magnitude. This strength of Kinzhal in contact with the ground is beyond comprehension!


This assessment is verified by comparing with the soil cores taken in oil exploration. We dig holes up to 3000 m deep without needing a Kinzhal! So whether it's granite or dense, soft marl, for a Kinzhal, digging a hole 200 or 300 m deep is a joke!


In this study, the brevity of which you will kindly excuse, I took no account of a possible charge (nuclear or not) carried by the Kinzhal. If such a load is added to it, upon impact with the ground, this load will DECREASE the maximum depth of the casing created by the Kinzhal, because this load will exert its effects in all directions, thus considerably enlarging the initial opening of the hole dug by the missile, which will decrease the force of the impact per square meter.


The margin seems so huge that this remark should allow the military to refine the effect of the Kinzhal: if you are looking for a deep target, say more than 300 meters deep, you have to adjust the explosive charge carried by the Kinzhall so that it only explodes when the Kinzhall has reached the desired depth. For a very deep target, you don't even need a charge! on the other hand, for a shallow target, say less than 100 m deep, the Kinzhal's explosive charge can be set so that it explodes a few hundredths of a second after the missile hits the ground.


This very brief and very rough study convinces me that as long as the Russians are ahead of the USA in very high speed missiles, the Kinzhals with or without nuclear charges and their descendants will defeat all imaginable US armaments, atomic, even thermonuclear or not. If I had power, I would ask my scientists to do their utmost to increase this enormous speed. For example, if we go to 20 Mach instead of 10 Mach, the energy in contact with the ground will be multiplied by 4 and if we arrive at Mach30, then the energy in contact with the ground will be almost 10 times greater, which shows that then no underground shelter will be possible for the enemy (the advantage of the Kinzhal will then be of the order of thousands of times more force in contact with the ground than by nuclear or thermonuclear armament). It therefore seems to me vital for Russia that it deepen and increase this advance to the maximum and above all, that it does everything necessary to prevent treason from helping the USA to also manufacture Kinzhal-type missiles.


Jean-Marie ARNAUDIES


I think this definitively closes the discussion on the "impossibility" of the Kinzhal to destroy a bunker buried 200-300 meters away

2. Scenario:
One of the largest aircraft carriers the USS George HWBush of the US Navy is hit. Main weakness is not the carriers entirely non-existent defenses against Kinzhal, but the fact it carries two live, 1100MW nuclear power plants. Even one of these hit will explode as a nuclear bomb, destroying not only the largest aircraft carrier, but its entire surrounding strike group of ships..
Result:
Even if the aircraft carrier can remain afloat for the first time after the impact, the potential of its aircraft wing will be nullified by the damage caused to the deck. In addition, such a strike could lead to the defeat of at least one of the two A4W naval reactors from Westinghouse. The total capacity of these reactors is 1100 MW. A missile with a half-ton warhead, moving at great speed, is capable not only of destroying the coolant circulation loops, but also leading to the explosion of the nuclear reactors themselves during their active work during a combat operation by an aircraft carrier. This fact suggests that a single missile strike of the Dagger hypersonic complex may be enough to completely destroy not only the lead aircraft carrier AUG, but also the entire carrier strike group.
Source article:

What Happens to a US Navy Aircraft Carrier When Hit by a Hypersonic Dagger Missile: An Expert Simulation

Archived article:​




The world's first hypersonic aviation rocket The complex is the Russian "Kinzhal". This is a system based on the Kh-47M2 "Kinzhal" missile and the basic carrier (at the moment) - the MiG-31, which received the letter "K".

According to representatives of the United Aircraft Corporation (United Aircraft Corporation), the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system is capable of striking enemy targets not only on land but also at sea. In particular, we are talking about such large ships as aircraft carriers. In this regard, experts are simulating a situation in which aircraft carriers of NATO countries, in the event of anti-Russian military aggression, could be attacked from the air using hypersonic missiles of the Dagger complex.




One of the options under consideration is a hypothetical attack on one of the largest aircraft carriers of our time, the USS George HWBush ("George Bush") of the US Navy. This is an American aircraft-carrying ship with a displacement of 97 thousand tons and a maximum length of 333 meters. Its crew is 3200 people, plus almost 2,5 thousand servicemen of the aviation wing.

So what will happen to an aircraft carrier of this type (such as the Nimitz) if it is attacked by a single Dagger missile?

The simulation itself is reduced to the choice of the point of contact of the complex's hypersonic missile with the aircraft carrier, taking into account the mass of its warhead. It is known from open sources that the mass of the X-47M2 "Dagger" warhead is 500 kg. The maximum flight speed of the rocket on the trajectory is also taken into account. It is about 12 Machs.

The performance of the Russian hypersonic missile system is such that, even when it is part of an AUG with cover from the Defense-ABM, the American aircraft carrier has no chance of intercepting the Kinzhal. The characteristics of American shipborne defense systems against aviation do not allow them to counter the hypersonic missile arms... In other words, with a hypothetical strike, the target will be hit in any case. How fatal for an aircraft carrier?

Experts believe that striking not at the command room, but at the deck of an aircraft carrier may be the most effective.



Marked places of probable strike


Even if the aircraft carrier can remain afloat for the first time after the impact, the potential of its aircraft wing will be nullified by the damage caused to the deck. In addition, such a strike could lead to the defeat of at least one of the two A4W naval reactors from Westinghouse. The total capacity of these reactors is 1100 MW. A missile with a half-ton warhead, moving at great speed, is capable not only of destroying the coolant circulation loops, but also leading to the explosion of the nuclear reactors themselves during their active work during a combat operation by an aircraft carrier. This fact suggests that a single missile strike of the Dagger hypersonic complex may be enough to completely destroy not only the lead aircraft carrier AUG, but also the entire carrier strike group.
 
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Before 10-15 years I remember reading some author who said that as times goes on there will be big difference between people,two kinds of people.In sense,for example,there will be those who stubbornly follow the church and those who see it as primitive,those who grow in knowledge and those who degrade.briefly those who go up and those who go down.And as times goes on the difference is bigger and bigger.It is obvious to me to see this today looking at the people in various situations.But is amazing when i see a president of a country who has gone so far down.I just cant stop being fascinated by the stupidity of this midget.When i read this"victory plan"I see that he and his rulers behave as if Russia does not exist,as if Russia is a small dot on the world map,as if Russia is not at the war at all and there is no need to ask them anything.Im sorry i just cant uderstand it.I dont see any kind of inteligence in this "victory plan"(if we know Russian victory plan).If it is some kind of trick or distraction again I cant belive how delusional they are.I wonder if you see how big the gap is between minds that grow and those that fail.We are talking about presidents,people who have great influence on people.It is unbeliveble how someone can be dangerous just because of his stipidity.
 
Lots of references to "balance" here.

Dmitry Medvedev before the XVI BRICS Summit:

"Remember: “…there can be no alliance between Russia and the West either for the sake of interests or for the sake of principles, that there is not a single interest in the West, not a single aspiration that would not plot against Russia, especially against its future, and that would not try to harm it. And that is why Russia’s only policy towards the Western powers is not an alliance with one or another of these powers, but their disunity, their division. For only when they are disunited from each other do they cease to be hostile to us – out of impotence, of course, never – out of conviction.” Fyodor Ivanovich Tyutchev, 1864.

Unfortunately, nothing has changed in the past 160 years. And the goals remain the same - the maximum weakening and humiliation of the West, including Europe. The US itself helps us in this. After all, their goal is domination over the Old World (as well as over the rest of the world).

Then, there can be only one goal: the collapse of the United States. Or - at a minimum - the creation of a full-fledged counterweight to America, as was the case during the existence of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact. Here the prospects for a new balance are already visible: the SCO, BRICS, other regional unions, and the comprehensive development of relations with the countries of the Global South.

After all, the alternative to such a balance of power is total war until the complete extermination of humanity.

A world without balance in today's conditions will not last even a decade.
If the West does not realize this simple truth, it will be the end for everyone. And this is not a situation where the death of some will mean the victory of others..."
 
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