Revolution in Ukraine: Western-engineered Coup d'État?

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thorbiorn said:
Apparently the Russians senators have said that a small contingent of their soldiers could go to Crimea: _http://rt.com/news/russia-crimea-sieze-gunmen-344/


It is in the long time perspective also significant that the DUMA is working on new anti-terror laws: _http://rt.com/politics/russia-anti-terror-bill-passed-170/

I also noticed that in Kharkow and Donetsk there have been some activity, now the Euromaidans are retreating:_http://www.unian.net/politics/891546-v-harkove-storonniki-gorodskoy-vlasti-zahvatili-oga.html
_http://www.unian.net/politics/891548-v-donetske-s-oga-sorvali-flag-ukrainyi-i-vodruzili-flag-rossii-militsiya-pereshla-na-storonu-naroda.html

UN security council in emergency meeting after Russian parliament approves use of military against Ukraine- live updates form the UK Guardian

_http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/01/crimea-crisis-deepens-as-russia-and-ukraine-ready-forces-live-updates

Remember how the world was almost pushed into a WWIII scenario last year over Syria? I'm having a bit of a deja-vu at the moment. Back then it was Putin who got smart and dismantled the US' plan to intervene in Syria. But Ukraine is not Syria - it is much more important to Russia - and it has already been taken over by the West, so Russia will not just sit and watch. Hopefully the West will not be so stupid to pick up the fight, but we can't trust that bunch to do the sensible thing, can we?
 
Kniall said:
I have rewritten and expanded the comment I did below the above article on the SOTT page:

On _http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/177920 there is:
MK: Time to Bring Ukraine Jews Home to Israel
Yesh Atid MK Rina Frankel appealed to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to initiate an immediate aliyah “rescue effort” for Ukraine Jewry.
What Delta man does, may help to get more settlers, if that is an agenda for Israel. It also confirms that in spite of what Delta man says, things are not exactly nice unless one is used to violence an he apparently is.

Next question is: How many Jews are there in the Ukraiine?
According to
_http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html there are 70000 Jewish people in the Ukraine, but according to this article (_http://www.jewishjournal.com/opinion/article/back_to_the_future_ukraines_jews_caught_between_a_rock_and_a_hard_place_) they imagine many more
How serious has the problem of anti-semitism been in the past?
_http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/ukraine.html carries this note said:
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A survey conducted in 1990 revealed that 7% of the nation still believes that Jews are actively seeking to take over the political and social circles of Ukraine. In addition, the survey points out that 10% also believe that the Jews are responsible for the misery and economic devastation still plaguing the region.

That was 24 years ago! But problems have not disappeared:
_as above said:
In October 2013, Lviv's Prosecutor's Office opened a criminal investigation of two police detectives believed to have beaten and humiliated a Jewish man while trying to extort money from him. The man, 29-year-old businessman Dmitry Flekman, was arrested by the officers and held in an interrogation room for nine hours. The officers purportedly urinated on Flekman and fractured his tailbone with blows to the back They also forced him to sit on the floor, explaining the chair “was not for stinking Jews,” and one of them said “he’d do what Hitler did.

Regarding the article content and Deltas return to UA, I recalled that actually quite a number of Jewish immigrants to Israel moved away from Israel. Therefore I wondered if there could be another explanation for Delta's return, because the impression I get from the article set up it that it is suspicious that Delta moved back:
Delta, who immigrated to Israel in the 1990s, moved back to Ukraine several years ago and has worked as a businessman.
On the one hand maybe he went back for a consciously nefarious purpose, maybe not:
_http://www.bjpa.org/Publications/downloadPublication.cfm?PublicationID=4441 said:
In November 2007, more Jews returned to Ukraine than emigrated from there to Israel or the United States. I was taken aback by this statistic until I had the chance to meet a young Jewish woman in eastern Ukraine whose family had moved back to Ukraine after living in Israel for several years. They returned for three reasons: to take care of an elderly relative they left behind, for economic and lifestyle opportunities that were at the time, but no longer, growing exponentially, and because, after all, it was home.
For which reason did Delta move back?

To the article I am a bit confused about:
_from article said:
and with help from Ukraine's ambassador to Israel.
In the comment it reads:
And especially not with the Israeli ambassador's involvement in this.
Is that the same person?
 
Re: Article about Ukraine

Windmill knight said:
Remember how the world was almost pushed into a WWIII scenario last year over Syria? I'm having a bit of a deja-vu at the moment. Back then it was Putin who got smart and dismantled the US' plan to intervene in Syria. But Ukraine is not Syria - it is much more important to Russia - and it has already been taken over by the West, so Russia will not just sit and watch. Hopefully the West will not be so stupid to pick up the fight, but we can't trust that bunch to do the sensible thing, can we?
Sensible? Mostly not, in fact I went to the shops today to stock up on canned food. Let us see what China says. In any case Crimea has little potential to be completely independant of UA as some 80-85 % of the Freshwater comes from there, much of the electricity comes from there too I think,

Found an interesting article about something called the Intermarium plan thought out by the Polish dictator Pilsudsky in the 1930'es
_http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/14598 said:
Published: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:19 PM
Op-Ed: The Ukraine Crisis – It’s the Intermarium Plan Again
The garbled slogans and ravings of the Ukrainian nationalists are straight from the Intermarium playbook.
Dr. Jonathan Levy

Political scientists attribute the Ukraine crisis to competition between Russia and the West or East Ukraine versus West Ukraine. While these simple explanations have their merits, there is much more at stake; nothing less the long planned absorption of Ukraine into the Intermarium and the break-up of Russia into toothless mini states.

Few in the Western media or academia would know that in 1920 an opportunistic Poland sought to make Ukraine, Lithuania, and Belarus its own satellites and fought a brief but bloody war with the nascent Soviet Union. But after defeating the Whites, the Red Army gave its full attention to the Poles and their advances turned into reverses as they were chased all the way from Kiev and Minsk back to Warsaw by Budenny’s Red Calvary. Warsaw was saved only by the soldiering of its Polish chief of staff Pilsudski who miraculously stopped the Red Army just outside the city –otherwise Poland would have been the 16th Soviet Republic.

The Poles never forgot their military humiliation and near annihilation of their just born state. Pilsudski who went on to be the Polish dictator developed two long range plans named the Intermarium and Promethean plans to make sure that neither Germany nor the Soviet Union would ever be able to grind Poland between them. The Promethean plan involved the breaking up of the USSR into small relatively harmless states by stirring up nationalism in Georgia, the Don and Kuban Cossacks, Ingushetia, Idel-Ural, Azerbaijan, Yakutistan, Armenia, Crimea, Karelia and Komi with the hopes of detaching them from a weak rump government at Moscow. This plan resembled something of the chaos that occurred in the early 1990s when Yeltsin could scarcely control his governors and Tatarstan and Chechnya were all but independent countries.

The Intermarium was to be a massive concentration of power in east central Europe as a counter balance between East and West with a vast federal union of peoples stretching between the Black sea and the Baltic. The constituent states were to include Poland, the Baltic countries, Belarus, Ukraine, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, and Croatia - all countries with sizeable Roman Catholic populations. The Intermarium on paper at least was large and powerful enough to supplant German and Russian influence in the Balkans and beyond.

To that end, the Polish Army absorbed the former Georgian, White Russian, Cossack and Ukrainian officer corps fleeing the USSR. But, the rise of Stalin and Hitler and Poland’s own problems with a large restive German minority quickly shelved these ambitious plans. The Promethean plan was briefly hijacked by Hitler who also sought to foment rebellion in the wartime USSR by recruiting foreign legions from among hapless POWs to be led by Nazi collaborators such as General Vlasov and the Ukrainian nationalist Bandera.

Following World War Two, the CIA, Vatican, and MI6 reorganized the Prometheans and Intermarians into the openly fascist Anti Bolshevik Bloc and World Anti Communist league which welcomed former Nazis as long as they were anti Soviet too. Maidan agitator US Senator John McCain was once affiliated with the World Anti Communist League as an advisor and surely has had no qualms about his new friends in Kiev.

Notably all these Intermarium states are predominately Roman Catholic with the exception of the Ukraine. Yet even in the heart of the Orthodox Church, the Vatican has made major inroads. A long standing campaign of Ukrainization has dispossessed the Moscow Patriarchy in favour of the Rome affiliated Easter Rite Church and Autonomous Ukrainian patriarchy. The presence of numerous priests on the front lines of the Maidan is by design not chance.

The garbled slogans and ravings of the Ukrainian nationalists are straight from the Intermarium playbook. “We seek neither the EU nor Russia,” “Out with totalitarianism liberalism and decadent democracy!” says Dmytro Yorosh’s Right Sector paramilitaries. Yorosh who parades about under the black and red Bandera flag has been proposed as Deputy Minister in the new Ukrainian government.

However just as Poland failed in 1920 to hold Kiev so may it fail now. Warsaw seems to have forgotten to have shared its Intermarium plan with NATO, the EU, and USA which would no doubt be shocked at the emergence of a hitherto unknown East Central European federation. And Russia remembers all too well that Polish interference in Ukraine is aimed not just at Kiev but ultimately targets Moscow with the reestablishment of a hostile Polish alliance on its western border.

Therefore it may be a prophetic sign that on January 26, 2014, when Pope Francis released two white doves at the Vatican, in support of the “peaceful” Ukrainian protestors on the Maidan that the hapless doves were set upon almost immediately by a black crow and a white seagull. Speculation in the media was that the two emissaries of peace were presumably killed and eaten by their predatory cousins and never heard from again.

So too may Polish imperial ambitions end in Ukraine – a dismal failure crushed between Russia and the EU. Poland has perhaps overplayed its hand yet again. Warsaw and its allies have taken Kiev, but can they pay the price?

The writer holds a PhD in Political Science and is an attorney member of the International Criminal Court Bar. He is adjunct faculty at Norwich University’s Diplomacy Program (Vermont) and Kaplan University’s School of Arts and Sciences. Dr. Levy is the author of The Intermarium: Wilson, Madison, & East Central European Federalism (ISBN: 978-1581123692)
If I have to criticize his point then I think he is too much into a nation state thinking, I think there was way more involved with the situation in the Ukraine than the alleged ambitions of a small minority of Polish people.
 
thorbiorn said:
Is that the same person?

Yes. Whichever ambassador, Ukraine's to Israel or Israel's to Ukraine's, it signifies Israeli state involvement.
 
Natalia Vitrenko of the Progressive Socialist Party spelled it out clearly the way the new regime works:
_http://tarpley.net/usa-and-eu-are-erecting-a-nazi-regime-on-ukrainian-territory/ :
Already on February 23 representatives of the new government announced the formation of the Ukrainian nation: they proclaim that anyone who uses the Russian language will be subjected to deprivation of their native-born status of Ukrainian ethnicity and will be discriminated against in civil and political rights.

The new regime has already announced their intention to ban the broadcast channels of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine, branding them as the TV channels of a hostile state . This is the way the new government defends the European values of freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

The regime is preparing lists of enemies who are subject to proscription. This mechanism will deprive of civil and political rights all those who do not share the neo-Nazi views of the new Ukrainian authorities.

Across the country, ghoulish lynchings continue. People are being beaten and stoned, while undesirable members of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine are subject to mass intimidation and local officials see their families and children targeted by death threats if they do not support the installation of this new political power. The new Ukrainian authorities are massively burning the offices of political parties they do not like, and have publicly announced the threat of criminal prosecution and prohibition of political parties and public organizations that do not share the ideology and goals of the new regime.

Euromaidan militants are seizing Orthodox shrines like the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, seeking to transfer them to dissenting churchmen like Filaret. The intention is to grab all the churches of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate to conform them to the Vatican.

And there is this video of the meeting with the press at the EU parliament:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE9vlOLjDrY&feature=youtu.be It is unfortunately in a whole mix of languages, I believe one needs Italien, Russian, English, Ukrainina +? It is clear that EU leaders coming to Kiev closed the eys to all the signs of Facists being strong. If you happen to know Russian then it is a strong talk that she gives. She says it is estimated that there now are 25000 armed bandit that terrorize the population.

She says that during the previous four years there has been campaigns promising people pensions etc as in France when they join the EU. But then Yanukovitch did not sign and within af week the problem was there.

And this one _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl-o5sX5TB4&feature=youtu.be this video shows that EU is complicit and ignorant. But the video is imho less good.

Kniall said:
thorbiorn said:
Is that the same person?

Yes. Whichever ambassador, Ukraine's to Israel or Israel's to Ukraine's, it signifies Israeli state involvement.
Thank you Kniall.
 
My thoughts are with the people in Ukraine as they will be the ones to pay for the whole things. I hope the Ukrainians, the Krim Tartars and the Russians etc. can solve this issues peacefully. And I really hope we can avoid a second war like the Yugoslavian one!
 
The rise of right wing people may also have something to do with what was done to the Ukraine. One wonders if it was on purpose of achieving just this result. Here follows central parts of a talk given by Natalia Vitrenko in April of 2013 at the Schiller Institute:
_http://newparadigm.schillerinstitute.com/media/natalia-vitrenko-eurasian-integration-as-a-chance-for-survival-in-the-global-economic-crisis/ said:
Eurasian Integration as a Chance for Survival in the Global Economic Crisis
Natalia Vitrenko
Doctor of Economics, leader of the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine and the Eurasian People’s Union of Ukraine

[...]
The destruction of the foundations of the world economy inevitably produces a crisis, with chaos and instability, wars, epidemics, catastrophes, mass deaths, and the liquidation of national economies and national sovereignty. The annihilation of national economies is an inevitable part of the process of globalization, whose aim is to establish a new global world order. The mechanisms of globalization are the IMF, the WTO, the World Bank, and the EBRD [European Bank for Reconstruction and Development].

Ukraine Submits to Globalization

A dramatic example is Ukraine. I’m going to show you this catastrophe in figures: everything that has happened in the past 20 years.

Six months after the proclamation of independence, Ukraine, on June 3, 1992, joined the IMF, and began to borrow, accepting the conditionalities. In 1995, Lyndon LaRouche came to Ukraine on our invitation, as did Helga Zepp-LaRouche and other representatives of the Schiller Institute. LaRouche met with Speaker of the Ukrainian Parliament Oleksandr Moroz; he met with members of the Parliament from the Socialist Party; he met with scientists, economists. And he told them what should be done and what should be avoided, as well as what reforms were needed to bring about a recovery and renaissance of the economy.

LaRouche exudes love for humanity, but the IMF came in with dollars and bought off politicians, officials, and members of Parliament. And therefore, instead of listening to LaRouche, Ukraine started doing everything the IMF said to do: deregulation, privatization, and macroeconomic stabilization. What did deregulation mean? It meant a floating currency exchange rate, while all the state-owned and commercial banks were cut loose to fend for themselves.

Then came privatization, in which essentially, the whole economy was put on the auction block for peanuts: the collective farms, industry, and so forth. In macroeconomic terms, Ukraine shifted to a cheap-labor model, with the reduction of social benefits and elimination of subsidies for housing and utilities.

In 2008, Ukraine joined the WTO and the results were similar, starting with the destruction of physical production in Ukraine.

ukraine-economic_decline-graph.gif


We can see in Figure 1, how GDP and physical output in basic areas of industry fell during the two decades from 1991 to 2012. Look at the second column, which is electricity production: It dropped by 35%. Production of rolled steel fell by more than half. In 2012, tractor production was only 5% of what it had it had been in 1990. And this is in a country that has 20% of the world’s black-earth soils, and one-third of the population lives in rural areas. The machine-tool industry practically ceased to exist. Whereas Ukraine used to have 16 major machine-tool plants, which produced 37,000 machine tools in 1990, now there are only three left, which are barely on their feet; they produce just 40 machine tools a year.

Out of 50,000 companies privatized, 49% ceased to exist. They shut down. As for 1990, machine-building had been the core of the Ukrainian economy, with 360 factories organized in 20 specialized industrial sectors. Ukraine had an advanced military-industrial sector, machine-building for heavy industry and the power industry, rocket-building, an aircraft industry, shipbuilding, and auto, locomotive, tractor, and machine-tool industries. Machine-building accounted for 31% of GDP, making Ukraine one of the top ten countries in the world.

Ukraine accounted for 2% of world GDP, and we were 11% higher than the world average for per-capita GDP. By 2012, Ukraine was producing only 0.2% of world GDP. Per capita, we are 40% below the world average; we’re lower than Namibia.

Destruction of Science

The basis for growth in the Ukrainian economy is science. We were always proud of Soviet science, and Ukrainian science in particular. We were seventh in the world in the power of our scientific complex, but what we see in Figure 2 is the destruction of Ukrainian science. This is what happened to Ukrainian science over the last 20 years:
ukraine-science_decline-graph.gif

Formerly, we had 500,000 people working in science. The most talented of them left the country—10,000 people. Hundreds of thousands of scientists were thrown out on the street to engage in primitive forms of retail trade, selling items at flea markets, working their kitchen gardens, or they retired. Hundreds of thousands of young people who should have become scientists, did not. You can see the reduction by 50% of the people working in the National Academy of Sciences system. The second bar is the total number of scientists. It’s just over a third of what it was. The number of people employed in innovative industries is at about 30% of the previous level. Research in the technological sciences is 28% of what it was. And the number of industry-related research institutes is only 9.5% of what it was previously. The assimilation and implementation of new technologies is occurring at only 7.6% of the 1990 rate.

We should note that this kind of destruction of science means that the portion of companies engaging in innovative research is only 28% of what it was. The portion of GDP growth attributable to new technologies is only 0.7% in Ukraine, as against 60-90% in advanced countries.

This is a scandal, a shame, for Ukraine!

During the years of its “independence,” Ukraine has lost 12 million jobs. The ILO [International Labor Organization] says that our unemployment is around 10%, but this doesn’t show the whole picture. This is just the tip of the iceberg; it’s actually much higher.

What Ukraine did obtain during these years is foreign debt. We now have a direct state foreign debt of $24.5 billion, or double the gold and currency reserves of the country, and our gross foreign debt is approaching 80% of GDP.

The worst thing is that this collapse of the economy has impoverished the population. The minimum wage in Ukraine is EU118 per month. The minimum pension is EU86 per month. But we don’t live in Africa. We have a fairly cold climate: You have to heat your house, you have to wear some clothes, and these are absolutely intolerable [wage] levels for Central Europe. These levels are only one-third of what is required for subsistence. The low levels set for the minimum wage lead directly to the deaths of the population, and the degradation of our natural resources. The share of wages in value-creation averages only 6.3% in Ukraine, as against 40% in the EU; 80% of the population lives below the poverty line.

We have increased drug addiction rates, increased alcohol consumption, super-exploitation of workers, psychological effects, crimes, and deterioration of the environment. These are the main factors in the reduced quality of life for the majority of the Ukrainian population. Our average life expectancy has dropped from 71 to 68.8 years, and is 15 years behind the averages for Europe. Men live to be only 62, and yet Ukraine followed IMF demands for pension reform, raising the pension age for women from 55 to 60, and for men, as high as 62 for some categories.

Deliberate Genocide

Figure 3 shows changes in the population. This is what Lyndon LaRouche was talking about, with regard to deliberate genocide.
ukraine-population.gif

In 1990, we had 52.1 million people in Ukraine. Now, nominally, we have 45.6 million as of 2012. But another 7 million left and are living abroad for economic reasons, so they’re not in Ukraine. They went to Russia to get work; they couldn’t get work in Ukraine. (This is why Ukraine today leads the world in juvenile drug addiction and alcoholism.)

So we had 52 million people. Nominally, we now have 45.6; in reality, we have 39 million people. During the Great Patriotic War, World War II, Ukraine lost 5.5 million people killed, and 2 million taken to forced labor in Germany. We lost 7.5 million people during the war. During these 20 years of reform, we have lost 6.5 million dead and 7 million departed, almost 14 million people, thus nearly twice the number of losses during the war.

The white segment (Figure 3) shows an extrapolation of what the population of Ukraine would have been, without this massive destruction. If we had continued the slow growth we had in 1970-90, with full employment and free education and free health care, our population would by now be 56.5 million, almost 57 million. Thus our country has lost one-third of its population! This is a crime. This indeed is the policy of genocide.

As a result, Ukraine, like other countries, has approached the dangerous boundary of a total collapse of the economy, a social explosion, permanent political coups, loss of sovereignty, chaos, and the threat of civil war.
[...]

What I get from this, in relation to the present situation in Ukraine, is that financial and political traumatizing of a lot of people has paved the ground for the advance of right-wing nationalistic forces.
 
Quote from: Thorbiorn

"What I get from this, in relation to the present situation in Ukraine, is that financial and political traumatizing of a lot of people has paved the ground for the advance of right-wing nationalistic forces."

Definately sounds like U.S.-Israel-U.K. involvement. I would imagine, Obama will use the excuse that Putin/Russia are breaking Internation Law, as per the Budapest Memorandum, as a trump card to keep Putin at bay? Again, as stated earlier, this Memorandum is a Diplomatic Document and not a signed Treaty. It's questionable if it's terms can be inforced?

In a way, the situation seems like a Power Play between the U.S. - U.K. - Israel and it's One World Government on one hand and Russia/Putin BRICS Nations on the other hand, with Ukraine in the middle.

To understand what's additionally at stake, there has to be an understanding of what the 5 BRICS Nations represent: the member countries agreed to create a global financial institution which they intended to rival the western-dominated IMF and World Bank.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS

BRICS is the acronym for an association of five major emerging national economies: Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.

The BRIC grouping's first formal summit, also held in Yekaterinburg, commenced on 16 June 2009. In the aftermath of the Yekaterinburg summit, the BRIC nations announced the need for a new global reserve currency, which would have to be "diversified, stable and predictable".[11] Although the statement that was released did not directly criticise the perceived "dominance" of the US dollar – something that Russia had criticised in the past – it did spark a fall in the value of the dollar against other major currencies.

_http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/putin-brics-preamble-speaks-of-greater-geopolitical-role/477352.html

Russia wants the BRICS group of major emerging economies to broaden its role and get more involved in geopolitics, President Vladimir Putin said in an interview published on Friday.

Putin, who has frequently criticized European and U.S. activities and has teamed up with fellow BRICS nation China to counter Western clout, spoke before this week's summit of the group, which also includes Brazil, India and South Africa.

He told news agency Itar-Tass that the BRICS members were working on joint declarations on the conflicts in Syria and Afghanistan, Iran's nuclear program, the situation in the Middle East and other issues.
 
It's depressing to notice how most people I know are buying in, head and heel, into the "lets-all-hate-Putin" propaganda. It's all Russia's fault, etc. I don't bother answering these authoritarian followers, they are brain washed, period. But by posting and sharing news and articles, presenting the other side if the story, I'm hoping that at least someone will start to think with their own brain.

End of rant ;)
 
This seems to be following the same maneuvers as the 2008 Georgia/South Ossetia fiasco. Putin and his circle are certainly a lot smarter than the 'paths in the 'West,' and also a lot more level headed. But they are once again left no choice, but to step in and put a stop to the madness and great threat to Russia and her interests. I think that it's going to be another checkmate by Russia. Unless the nutzoids are ready to start WWIII. But I doubt they are willing to have a real war (this does not exclude, however, stumbling into an escalation to full-blown war). I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
SeekinTruth said:
This seems to be following the same maneuvers as the 2008 Georgia/South Ossetia fiasco. [...]

The situation in 2008, that you mention, was apparently assisted by John Mccain: I just posted a comment to the RT interview with Vladimir Putin where he claims a 2008 presidential candidate was involved without giving names: http://www.sott.net/article/274848-Putin-interview-with-CNN-that-was-never-aired-on-CNN-Russian-leader-knows-US-was-behind-2008-provocation-via-Georgia

According to Allan J. Lichtman, a professor af history and the author of seral books, the arguments for John McCain being involved in 2008 are:
_http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2008/08/john-mccain-as-agent-provocateur-in-the-georgiarussia-crisis/ said:
John McCain emerges as the most likely suspect as agent provocateur. First, McCain had a unique and privileged pipeline to President Saakashvili (shown to the right in the photo to the right). McCain’s top foreign policy advisor, Randy Scheunemann, was a partner in a two-man firm that served as a paid lobbyist for the Georgian government. Scheunemann continued receiving compensation from the firm until the McCain campaign imposed new restrictions on lobbyists in mid-May. Scheunemann reportedly helped arrange a telephone conversation between McCain and Saakashvili on April 17 of this year, while he was still being paid by Georgia.

Second, while most Senators would hesitate to conduct their own private foreign policy, McCain follows his own muse and defers to no one, including the President of the United States.

Third, McCain has benefited politically from the crisis in Georgia. As with the Eisenhower administration’s rhetoric of liberation, McCain’s swift and belligerent response to the Soviet actions in Georgia has bolstered his shaky standing with the right-wing of the Republican Party. McCain has also used the Georgian situation to assert his credentials as the hardened warrior ready to do battle against a resurgent Russia. He has pointedly contrasted his foreign policy experience with that of his Democratic opponent Barack Obama. Since the crisis erupted, McCain has focused like a laser on Georgia, to great effect. According to a Quinnipiac University National Poll released on August 19 he has gained four points on Obama since their last poll in mid-July and leads his rival by a two to one margin as the candidate best qualified to deal with Russia.

John McCain has also been active in Ukraine this time: http://www.sott.net/article/272680-Ukraines-fascist-Neo-Nazi-color-revolution-backed-by-US
http://www.sott.net/article/270245-Revolution-in-Ukraine-Cui-bono-Warhawk-John-McCain-addresses-demonstrations
If the sponsors he had in 2008 and the material he sent out is anything to go by, one can hardly be surprised: http://www.sott.net/article/217062-Koch-Footprints-Lead-to-Political-Powder-Keg-Exposing-the-Far-Rights-Secret-Slush-Fund-to-Keep-Fear-Alive
 
I'm from the West of Ukraine. It is really hard to see how people believe all this crap. Even my family believe in it. I can't even talk to them normally, they are so brainwashed. They don't see the real face of the enemy. I don't know how to speak to my family, they think that i'm brainwashed. I'm telling them facts, they don't believe in them, they think it is Russian propaganda. They even think that USA has almost nothing to do with it. They are listening to one source of information and think that it is correct. I tell them to listen at least 2 different sources and than make dissisions. I don't know how to be....

http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/02-03-2014/126973-ukraine_russia_war-0/
Russia's Federation Council has approved the address from the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin about the deployment of limited military contingent on the territory of the Autonomous Republic of the Crimea.

On Saturday, March 1, the Prime Minister of the autonomous republic, Sergei Aksyonov asked Russia for assistance.

Meanwhile, Ukraine has declared general mobilization. Secretary of the National Security and Defense of Ukraine, Andrey Paruby, reported that mobilization would be conducted across the whole country. All people liable for military service will receive draft notices and will have to come to local military committees on March 2.

On Saturday, March 1, the National Security Council of Ukraine ordered to bring the troops in full combat readiness. The Ukrainian authorities emphasize that they are against the use of force in resolving the conflict.

They announced a general mobilazation. They want us to fight against each other, brother-on-brother war.
 
Serg said:
I'm from the West of Ukraine. It is really hard to see how people believe all this crap. Even my family believe in it. I can't even talk to them normally, they are so brainwashed. They don't see the real face of the enemy. I don't know how to speak to my family, they think that i'm brainwashed. I'm telling them facts, they don't believe in them, they think it is Russian propaganda. They even think that USA has almost nothing to do with it. They are listening to one source of information and think that it is correct. I tell them to listen at least 2 different sources and than make dissisions. I don't know how to be....

http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/02-03-2014/126973-ukraine_russia_war-0/
Russia's Federation Council has approved the address from the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin about the deployment of limited military contingent on the territory of the Autonomous Republic of the Crimea.

On Saturday, March 1, the Prime Minister of the autonomous republic, Sergei Aksyonov asked Russia for assistance.

Meanwhile, Ukraine has declared general mobilization. Secretary of the National Security and Defense of Ukraine, Andrey Paruby, reported that mobilization would be conducted across the whole country. All people liable for military service will receive draft notices and will have to come to local military committees on March 2.

On Saturday, March 1, the National Security Council of Ukraine ordered to bring the troops in full combat readiness. The Ukrainian authorities emphasize that they are against the use of force in resolving the conflict.

They announced a general mobilazation. They want us to fight against each other, brother-on-brother war.

Hey Serg I'm sorry that you have to through this. It is hard to see how brainwashed our loved ones are, especially in such crucial and dangerous situations. :headbash:

To put it bluntly, I don't know if there is anything you can do in such a situation now, when it is clear that they want to believe all those lies...

Stay save and keep us informed!
 
Aragorn said:
It's depressing to notice how most people I know are buying in, head and heel, into the "lets-all-hate-Putin" propaganda. It's all Russia's fault, etc. I don't bother answering these authoritarian followers, they are brain washed, period. But by posting and sharing news and articles, presenting the other side if the story, I'm hoping that at least someone will start to think with their own brain.

End of rant ;)

Here's is an article from one of the UK's "Daily Mail" columnists. I'm posting this not for what he has to say, but for what some of the public has had to say. I can barely believe it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2571139/Russia-sick-humiliated-pushed-ignorant-outsiders-MoS-columnist-PETER-HITCHENS-says-Putin-DOES-right-intervene.html#article-2571139

Click the "comments" bit (with the speech bubble next to it) at the end of the article. So many green arrows!
 
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