Revolution in Ukraine: Western-engineered Coup d'État?

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I was talking the last days with my parents who live in the Crimea. They told me the Russians have disarmed all the local ukrainian military bases (I hope without any shot), there are russian military vehicles on the street and many local people on the street who shout "Russia, Russia!" and many are just excited about what's going on. In the meanwhile the groceris prices are rapidly rising, the ukrainian currency is being devaluated, money withdrawal from cash machines is being restricted and many just worriing about the future. And I...I'm already feeling the "ecstasis" (see Bringers of The Dawn) :( and I guess the events in the Crimea last week are exactly what C's meant when they talked about a "transition that will dramatically accelerated soon"
 
Part 2:

‘During such a crisis situation, reacting on such protest-oriented moods, the president of Ukraine Victor Yanucovich (I don’t want to excuse his actions, a lot of complaints can be addressed to him, I’m just repeating the facts) propose a post of prime-minister to the one of the leaders of the opposition, mr. Yacenyuk. Why continue to ingrave the situation? Mr. Yatsenyuk could create a government, if he would like, he can sign an Association Agreement with the EU, and then he would be responsible for the disastrous economic consequences for the country by signing the agreement.
Why should armed militants be taken out to the streets ? Why these armed militants had to throw Molotov cocktails and stones at the police? Why to set police on fire? You've heard at least one direct rebuke or one direct condemnation of these actions on the part of some Western guardians of democracy in Ukraine? We did not hear any distinct statements of many institutions that show care for democracy. Unclear then, why they exist, if they do not respond to this kind of exposure.’
 
Altair said:
Serg said:
Kniall said:
So, keep a close eye on things and maybe consider an exit strategy?
According to russin's TV channel over 640.000 of Ukrainians have already migrate to Russia during the last 2 month.

Well, according to news.allcrimea.net http://news.allcrimea.net/news/2014/3/2/gospogransluzhba-oprovergla-informatsiju-o-massovom-vyezde-ukraintsev-iz-strany-6278/ it's not the case. I think there is much propaganda going on on the both sides.

I didn't say it is a fact. Of course, there is propaganda on both sides, but in this situation i would believe more pro-Russian sources than any others. Because I can see who is the enemy and the enemy claims that 'Russia is bad', which means the opposite. Perhaps not as 'good' as I'd like i to be, but their behaviour are more humane IMO.
Nevertheless, by that post I just want to say that i can migrate also to Russia if it would be necessarily.
 
Just another reminder for this week's SOTT radio show, in case you missed it:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sottnet/2014/03/02/is-world-war-3-imminent-russia-vs-usa-sinkholes-and-weird-weather
 
Kniall said:
Serg said:
Why should such rude interferences in to the interior business of the sovereign country takes place?

Ukraine has not been a sovereign country since it joined the IMF in 1992. Functionally, economically, which is what really counts in this technocratic world dominated by banking elites, the Western Mafia already owns Ukraine, via $145 bn debt, so Yanukovych's hesitation about joining the EU, along with parallel negotiations about joining the Eurasian Union project instead, propelled the Mafia to 'speed things up a bit' or 'call in their debt' by starting a fire in Kiev.

Yes, but officially it is sovereign. Vitaliy Churkin as far as I understand can’t say such thing in the UN.
 
Apparently there was just a 4.5 Earthquake in Crimea:
http://inagist.com/all/439974391380590592/

Very interesting if true...
 
Pashalis said:
Apparently there was just a 4.5 Earthquake in Crimea:
http://inagist.com/all/439974391380590592/

Very interesting if true...

Our mass-media says that it was 2.5-3 magnitude. I can't find a one that says 4.5
http://rus.newsru.ua/ukraine/02mar2014/vblizipoberej.html
 
There was indeed an earthquake just of the coast of Crimea:

http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=362664&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#summary:

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http://www.ceme.gsras.ru/cgi-bin/ccd_quake_tmpe.pl?dat=02-03-2014&x=10&y=6:

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http://inagist.com/all/439974391380590592/:

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BTW, today we both, i and my wife, feels some fatigue. My wife have a body temperature 37, i have 36.8.
We both feels cold like it happening when the body temperature is rising. I'm on ketosis, my wife is not.
It may happen with her because she ate a lot of dates yesterday's evening. I eat as usual, the only thing i go to sleep late and sleep not really well. Usually I have a fatigue when I do not sleep enough, but today it was stronger than usual i can say.
 
Pashalis said:
There was indeed an earthquake just of the coast of Crimea:

http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=362664&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#summary:

unbenannt2PBYBU.png


http://www.ceme.gsras.ru/cgi-bin/ccd_quake_tmpe.pl?dat=02-03-2014&x=10&y=6:

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http://inagist.com/all/439974391380590592/:

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As far as I can see this earthquake was actually happening earlier today, in the morning at 05:34 local time...
 
In the English Pravda of today Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey writes an interesting opinion piece:

Ukraine: The Law, the Putsch and the Imposter

02.03.2014

The irresponsibility of the western media calling Oleksandr Turchynov "Interim President" and referring to the "new Government" of Ukraine walks hand in hand with the notion that Governments can be deposed and instated by groups of armed thugs on the streets. Turchynov claims power, but what about the massive voting fraud in the Rada?

Under the law, under the Constitution of Ukraine, Oleksandr Turchynov is not the Interim President, he is an imposter, the leader of a Putsch who has as much right to declare himself or to be declared Interim President as the author of this article, or anyone else for that matter. Why doesn't Turchynov, the subject of a criminal investigation in the past, not declare himself Queen of Sheeba?

In any civilized nation, the event which rubber-stamps a Government is not an armed uprising in which thugs shoot at the police. In a civilized nation, what rubber-stamps a government is something called an election and in the last election, Viktor Yanukovich was elected President of Ukraine with 12.48 million votes, as leader of the Party of Regions, gaining almost 49 per cent of the vote against Tymoshenko's 45.47%.

Under the Agreement signed between President Yanukovich and the members of the Opposition in February 2014, the forthcoming election was to be brought forward from 2015 to late 2014, so until then, the President of Ukraine is Viktor Yanukovich. Under the existing Constitution, in the absence of a Presidential exercise of duties, it is the Prime Minister who takes office as Interim President and the Presidency is ratified by the Constitutional Court.

Mykola Azarov resigned the Premiership on January 28 2014, and was replaced as Prime Minister by Sergiy Arbuzov. In replacing the legitimate Prime Minister with Arseniy Yatsenyuk and in terminating the powers of the Constitutional Court judges, using a proxy voting system which has been outlawed during President Yanukovich's Presidency, and in the absence of many of the Party of Regions deputies in the Rada, the action of proclaiming Turchynov as Interim President and of replacing Government Ministers has no legal basis whatsoever and is therefore void under Ukrainian law and as per the Ukrainian Constitution.

A civilized country is ruled by the law and obeys the norms of its Constitution. The only time Turchynov garnered any votes was when he stood for Mayor of Kiev in 2008, and got less than 20 per cent of the vote. Hardly a democratic platform on which to stand. In fact, the more one digs into the past of Mr. Turchynov, the worse it stinks.

Formerly head of the Ukrainian Secret Service (SBU), he was the subject of a criminal investigation for destroying papers linking his ally Timoshenko with a criminal on the lists of the American FBI (Ten Most Wanted, Semyon Mogilevich). The entire political process during the last week has the same dubious stench surrounding it. For a start, how does the Rada make any decisions when most of the main political block, the Party of Regions, was absent?

And let us analyse the constitution of the Rada: The Party of Regions (Yanukovich's Party) holds 134 seats. 117 are non-affiliated, many of these voting with the Party of regions; the Communists have 32 seats, often voting with the Party of Regions. On the other side is the Fatherland Party (Timoshenko) with 88 seats and UDAR (Klitschko) with 42, then the Freedom Party with 36.

How, then, is Yanukovich ousted with "over 300 votes"? The answer is simple. As you can see from the photographs, on the streets of Kiev were some innocent civilians, starry-eyed youths caught up in a drunken euphoria caused by lies and misguided promises by ex-boxers, ex-soccer players and the like but also many Fascist extremists, armed thugs who had started to shoot at the police to provoke a reaction. Look at the pictures.

And look at the picture showing members of the Rada holding the voting cards of other members. This explains the "vote". Multiple voting for absentee members. Ladies and gentlemen, the photograph on the left denounces massive electoral fraud.

So, President Yanukovich did not "flee" leaving a void that had to be filled (the reason quoted for his "removal"), he absented himself temporarily from the fray to avoid any more bloodshed. For the CIA, 88 deaths is small fry if it justifies a change of government and a veering westwards by a mineral-rich nation on Russia's borders, but this does not a revolution make nor a Government constitute. Had Viktor Yanukovich remained in his palace, it would have been stormed by these Fascist thugs and his armed guard would have had to open fire, worsening the situation further by creating more bloodshed.

The entire Putsch was hastily carried out and was entirely the result of political interests from beginning to end. The education minister, Dmitry Tabachnik, was removed because his policy had been "too pro-Russian", the Russian, Hungarian and Romanian languages have for now lost their status as official languages of Ukraine and the Prosecutor-General, Viktor Pshonka, was detained, because he was identified with the imprisonment of Timoshenko, for abuse of power.

Members of Parliament inside the Rada had declared that they felt they had to do something quickly otherwise the crowd outside would have stormed the building.

This, in a civilized nation, is no way to conduct policy, has no legal foundation whatsoever and therefore, Mr. Oleksandr Turchynov is an imposter and a Putsch leader who brings ridicule to his country. Who needs a circus when Kiev is crawling with clowns, and why doesn't Turchynov declare himself Queen of Sheeba, King of Planet Zog of the Mayor of Saturn...together with his less than twenty per cent of the popular vote?

The question is, Oleksandr Turchynov knows this, and from the second he wakes up in the morning, to the second he goes to bed, he knows he is an imposter, he knows he was not elected and he knows that his Putsch dissolved the only legal bodies with the power to conduct affairs of State as he usurped the presidency from Viktor Yanukovich.

Oleksandr Turchynov is not, legally, the Interim President of the Ukraine and his Government is not a Government - it is a clique of imposters. Any foreign powers greeting and recognizing them is guilty of criminal association. This is the law.

Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey

Pravda.Ru

[bold, mine; pictures not included]
 
Merkel tells Putin Russia has broken international law in Ukraine:
_http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/02/ukraine-crisis-germany-merkel-idUSL6N0LZ0HZ20140302?feedType=RSS&feedName=bondsNews

(Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel accused Russian President Vladimir Putin on Sunday of breaching international law with "unacceptable Russian intervention" in Ukraine, a German government spokesman said on Sunday.

Russian forces have bloodlessly seized Crimea - an isolated Black Sea peninsula with a majority of Russian speakers and where Moscow has a naval base.

"The chancellor called upon the Russian President again to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity," deputy government spokesman Georg Streiter said in a statement after a phone call between the two leaders.

Putin accepted Merkel's proposal to establish a "fact-finding mission" like a contact group, possibly under the leadership of the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), to start a political dialogue, the spokesman said.
 
Putin is one smart man. By occupying the Crimea he not only secured the Russian naval base, but took it out from under the IMF jackboot, thus nullifying Crimea of any obligation to the $145Bn debt.
As well, you can bet your bottom dollar that Putin will be offering the Crimea economic incentives to further cement Crimea-Russia ties.
Unlike the West, Putin offers peace, security, and prosperity, not economic ruin and social disintegration.
Crimeans would be nuts not to welcome Russian intervention.
Going by what's happening in Ukraine, the alternative is not very pretty.
 
Now all states of the G8 have temporarily suspending activities related to preparation for June's G8 Summit in Sochi:
_http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/02/world/europe/ukraine-politics/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

The crisis set off alarm bells in the West and fueled a stern rebuke from the leaders of the G7 nations of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States.

In a statement Sunday, they condemned Russia's "clear violation of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine," saying they were temporarily suspending activities related to preparation for June's G8 Summit in Sochi, Russia

In a statement Sunday, they condemned Russia's "clear violation of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine," saying they were temporarily suspending activities related to preparation for June's G8 Summit in Sochi, Russia.

I guess Putin must be we afraid of that move :lol:
 
Redrock12 said:
Putin is one smart man. By occupying the Crimea he not only secured the Russian naval base, but took it out from under the IMF jackboot, thus nullifying Crimea of any obligation to the $145Bn debt.

As well, you can bet your bottom dollar that Putin will be offering the Crimea economic incentives to further cement Crimea-Russia ties.

Unlike the West, Putin offers peace, security, and prosperity, not economic ruin and social disintegration.
Crimeans would be nuts not to welcome Russian intervention.
Going by what's happening in Ukraine, the alternative is not very pretty.

I agree that "Putin is one smart man." A quick check of his biography may hold some clues?

_http://www.notablebiographies.com/Pu-Ro/Putin-Vladimir.html

Vladimir Putin was born on October 1, 1952, in Leningrad (now St. Petersburg), Russia. An only child, his father was a foreman in a metal factory and his mother was a homemaker. Putin lived with his parents in an apartment with two other families. (He was raised as an only child because his two brothers died. One shortly after birth the other got diphtheria after World War Two.)

His mother secretly had him baptized as an Orthodox Christian.

By the age of sixteen he was a top-ranked expert at sambo, a Russian combination of judo and wrestling. By the time he was a teenager Putin had begun to display the ambition that he later became known for, and he attended a respected high school, School 281, which only accepted students with near-perfect grades.

At Leningrad State University, Putin graduated from the law department in 1975 but instead of entering the law field right out of school, Putin landed a job with the KGB, the only one in his class of one hundred to be chosen. The branch he was assigned to was responsible for recruiting foreigners who would work to gather information for KGB intelligence.

In the early 1980s Putin met and married his wife, Lyudmila, a former teacher of French and English.

In 1985 the KGB sent him to Dresden, East Germany. Around the time Putin went to East Germany, Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev (1931–) was beginning to introduce economic and social reforms (improvements). Putin was apparently a firm believer in the changes. In 1989 the Berlin Wall, which stood for nearly forty years separating East from West Germany, was torn down and the two united. Though Putin supposedly had known that this was going to happen, he was disappointed that it occurred amid chaos and that the Soviet leadership had not managed it better. ( Comment: This experience may be the impetus that led to Putin forming an organization called BRICS with other Nation/Countries to bring economic and social reforms in growth, while each governing body retains their ethnic and religious background and sovereignty status. )


In 1990 Putin returned to Leningrad and continued his undercover intelligence work for the KGB. In 1991, just as the Soviet Union was beginning to fall apart, Putin left the KGB with the rank of colonel, in order to get involved in politics. Putin went to work for Anatoly Sobchak, the mayor of St. Petersburg, as an aide and in 1994 became deputy mayor.

During Putin's time in city government, he reportedly helped the city build highways, telecommunications, and hotels, all to support foreign investment. Although St. Petersburg never grew to become the financial powerhouse that many had hoped, its fortunes improved as many foreign investors moved in.

In August of 1999, after Yeltsin had gone through five prime ministers in seventeen months, he appointed Putin, who many thought was not worthy of succeeding the ill president. For one thing, he had little political experience; for another, his appearance and personality seemed boring.

In December of 1999, Russia held elections for the 450-seat Duma, the lower house of Russia's parliament (governing body). Putin's newly-formed Unity Party came in a close second to the Communists in a stunning showing. Though Putin was not a candidate in this election, he became the obvious front-runner in the upcoming presidential race scheduled for June of 2000.

On New Year's Eve in 1999, Yeltsin unexpectedly stepped down as president, naming Putin as acting president.

In Putin's first speech as acting president, he promised, "Freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, freedom of the press, the right to private property—these basic principles of a civilized society will be protected," according to a Newsweek report.


On March 26, 2000, Russians elected Putin out of a field of eleven candidates. After his election, Putin's first legislative move was to win approval of the Start II arms reduction treaty from the Duma. The deal, which was negotiated seven years earlier, involved decreasing both the Russian and American nuclear buildup by half. Putin's move on this issue was seen as a positive step in his willingness to develop a better relationship with the United States. In addition, one of Putin's earliest moves involved working with a team of economists to develop a plan to improve the country's economy. On May 7, 2000, Putin was officially sworn in as Russia's second president and its first in a free transfer of power in the nation's eleven-hundred-year history.

Mr. Putin: Operative in the Kremlin, a 2013 book by Brookings Institution scholars Fiona Hill and Clifford G. Gaddy.
_http://www.straight.com/news/582711/vladimir-putin-mines-history-solidify-his-position-russias-modern-czar

Mr. Putin: Operative in the Kremlin also disclosed how Putin applies lessons he learned in the late 1980s as a KGB case officer in Dresden, Germany.

He holds an annual call-in show for hours with the Russian masses. One of the reasons is it gives him insights into what average people might be thinking about.

He's the "case officer", listening to people's comments, winning them over.

The book also reveals that Putin is a survivalist. This mindset was forged during his childhood in Leningrad. His older brother had died during the Nazis' siege of the city, which resulted in food shortages and massive suffering.

As a survivalist, Putin retired his country's international debt obligations as quickly as possible. It left Russia on a firmer financial footing when the global economy melted down in 2008.


Putin served two terms as president from 2000 to 2008, then spent a stint as prime minister before being elected president again in 2012.

He often relies on historical references to justify his actions. "Ultimately, Putin's uses of history and his synthesis of ideas are part of a carefully calculated policy," Hill and Gaddy wrote. "Drawing on his personal interest in Russian history, Putin has weighed up the political debates of the 1990s about Russia's future and the restoration of the state. He has then carefully mined Russia's past for what he deems to be appropriate parallels and concepts."

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Russia
Still in deep depression by the mid-1990s, Russia's economy was hit further by the financial crash of 1998. After the 1998 financial crisis, Yeltsin was at the end of his political career. Just hours before the first day of 2000, Yeltsin made a surprise announcement of his resignation, leaving the government in the hands of the little-known Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, a former KGB official and head of the FSB, the KGB's post-Soviet successor agency.[202] In 2000, the new acting president defeated his opponents in the presidential election on 26 March, and won a landslide 4 years later.[203] International observers were alarmed by late 2004 moves to further tighten the presidency's control over parliament, civil society, and regional officeholders.[204] In 2008 Dmitri Medvedev, a former Gazprom chairman and Putin's head of staff, was elected new President of Russia. In 2012, Putin was once again elected as President.

Russia has had difficulty attracting foreign direct investment and has experienced large capital outflows in the past several years. Russia's long-term problems also include a shrinking workforce, rampant corruption, and underinvestment in infrastructure. Nevertheless, reversion to a socialist command economy seemed almost impossible. Russia ended 2006 with its eighth straight year of growth, averaging 6.7% annually since the financial crisis of 1998. Russia is well ahead of most other resource-rich countries in its economic development, with a long tradition of education, science, and industry.

Comment: With Putin's experience and background, I don't see where he would violate the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine especially Crimea which has a long history with Russia?
 
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