Revolution in Ukraine: Western-engineered Coup d'État?

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edgitarra said:
In the meantime, the largest oil refinery in russia is on fire:
http://englishrussia.com/2014/03/03/largest-oil-refinery-in-europe-is-on-fire/


Hmmm, can there be any relation to what happens now with Ukraine?

Right now there is no official English speaking media reporting it, is there something in Russian available that could confirm it?
 
In the meantime, the largest oil refinery in russia is on fire:
http://englishrussia.com/2014/03/03/largest-oil-refinery-in-europe-is-on-fire/

Hmmm, can there be any relation to what happens now with Ukraine?

Luckily, (1) the fire is over according to the latest news; (2) no victims there; (3) it's the Tatarstan's largest refinery, not the Russia's largest (there must be a mistake in the article). Here is a quote from their official site: 'Today Public Stock Corporation TAIF-NK, which comprises the largest refinery in Tatarstan, Gasoline Plant and Gas Condensate Processing Plant, is a leader in the oil refining industry of the Republic of Tatarstan. The share of TAIF-NK PSC in the total volume of crude oil processing was 3.1% in the Russian Federation and 53.7% - in the Tatarstan Republic.' See at: http://en.taifnk.ru/company/.

But you might be right, there might be some connection...
 
I would like to apologize for not searching if it is the largest one. It seems like that news spread in that manner.
 
Translating it using google translate, it is difficult to understand what is said, so perhaps one of the Russian members could get the gist of it. But basically, like you said, the title seems to be "Deputies of Ukraine adopted a law allowing the killing of law enforcement officers and military''

As far as I understood from the article, the new Ukrainean government is proposing (has already adopted the law according to this source) to amnesty those accused of killing police and military officers. The authors of the article call this proposal 'a license to kill police and military officers'.
 
Here's something that is RICH with implications and I don't know if it ever got the attention it deserved:

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/03/an-important-second-listen-to-f-k-eu.html

An Important Second Listen to the "F--k the EU" Ukraine Recording

The recording reveals Nuland and Pyatt discussing whether Vitali Klitschko, sometimes referred to as “Klitsch” in the recording, should be named the deputy prime minister and seems to assume that Arseniy Yatseniuk, sometimes referred to in the recording as “Yats,” will become prime minister. Since that conversation,Yatseniuk has, indeed, become prime minister. Anybody that tells you that the US is not running the "revolution" from behind the scenes is blowing smoke.
 
Another:

Ukraine: this isn’t a revolution – it’s regime change

Let’s call a spade a spade: Western politicians have usurped an elected leader.
http://www.spiked-online.com/spikedplus/article/ukraine-this-isnt-a-revolution-its-regime-change#.UxWyJoWSmic

Even in this era of rampant political spin and platitudes, where George Orwell’s claim that political language is used and abused to ‘make lies sound truthful and murder respectable’ has never been truer, the commentary on Ukraine stands out for its dishonesty. Western observers tell us there has been a revolution in that benighted nation. They claim revolutionaries have overthrown a dictator. They say the people of Ukraine have risen up and deposed their despot, and are now ‘experiencing the intense emotions expressed so eloquently by Thomas Paine in 1776 [in his writings on the American War of Independence]’. It is hard to remember the last time political language was so thoroughly used to obfuscate reality, to impose inappropriate historical narratives on to a messy modern-day event. For what we have in Ukraine is not revolution, but regime change, set in motion far more by the machinations of Western politicians than by the stone-throwing of Ukrainians.

Orwell was right – too much political writing is less about clarifying real-world events than it is a collection of pre-existing phrases ‘tacked together like the sections of a prefabricated henhouse’. So it has been in relation to Ukraine, where the words selected by Western observers tell us more about them and their prejudices than they do about events in Kiev. So the word ‘meddling’ is used to describe Vladimir Putin’s interventions in Ukraine, but never to describe Angela Merkel’s or John Kerry’s cultivation of the oppositional forces – that is ‘mediation’. Ousted Ukrainian leader Viktor Yanukovich is now widely referred to as a ‘dictator’, confirming how exhausted and meaningless that word has become through overuse: unlike serious dictators like Gaddafi or Assad, Yanukovich won a free and fair election, in March 2010. As for the word ‘revolution’ – that has been knackered by misuse for decades, but its deployment in Ukraine takes its bastardisation to a new low: there has of course been no replacement of one social order by another in Ukraine, or even the instalment of a people’s government; instead various long-established parties in parliament, some of which are deeply unpopular among certain constituencies in Ukraine, are forming an interim government. Revolutionary? Hardly.

The Western debate and coverage of Ukraine has cast a massive political fog over events there. It may not have quite made ‘murder seem respectable’, but it has certainly made externally generated regime change seem revolutionary, and the Western-assisted anti-democratic removal of an elected leader seem like an act of people’s democracy. It has exposed a severe dearth of independent critical thinking among the Western commentariat. Even those on the right who are normally passionately anti-EU are now lining up like lemmings behind Brussels’ dishonest moral narrative about being a mere observer to a glorious revolution in the East. And even those on the left who condemned regime change in Iraq or Libya are buying the idea that Ukraine has undergone a revolution of Paineite proportions, with the Observer giddily declaring that Ukraine is currently experiencing ‘an intoxicating sense of liberation from an old guard’. Across the political spectrum, narratives about Ukraine that don’t add up, and which are being promoted by people normally seen as untrustworthy, are being accepted as good coin – among both a right excited by the prospect of a return of the neat Cold War-era divide between good West and bad East, and a left so desperate for evidence of revolutionary behaviour in the twenty-first century that it will lap up even staid, grey, distinctly unrevolutionary Brussels’ claims about a revolution being afoot in Ukraine.

The truth of what has happened in Ukraine is this: the EU and Washington have effectively brought about regime change, replacing an elected pro-Russian regime with an unelected, still-being-formed new government that is more amenable to the institutions of the West. Yes, there have been very large protests in Ukraine for many months now, packed with people who are genuinely and passionately opposed to Yanukovich on the grounds that he is authoritarian, illiberal and hostile to the EU. But these have been fairly disorganised, Occupy-style gatherings, peopled by various opposing forces, from pro-EU urbanites to far-right and even anti-Semitic loathers of Yanukovich. These rather chaotic, ideology-lite camps were no more capable of ousting Yanukovich than Occupy Wall Street could have deposed the Obama administration. The regime change that occurred this week would have been unthinkable without something else, without an additional force - outside pressure. That has unquestionably been the decisive factor in the removal of Yanukovich and his replacement by a Western-friendly interim government.

Western governments did not send fighter planes or soldiers to Ukraine, as they did when pursuing regime change in Iraq and Afghanistan. But they did pretty relentlessly pursue what the press euphemistically refers to as ‘international mediation’ (‘political language has to consist largely of euphemism’, said Orwell) but which I think would better be described as delegitimisation of Ukraine’s government. That is, they both undermined the legitimacy of the Yanukovich regime and conferred political and moral authority on to the protest camps. They did this firstly through issuing statement after statement over the past three months about the out-of-touchness of Yanukovich, with US President Barack Obama going so far as to compare Ukraine with Syria (that is, both are governed by illegitimate rulers) and to call for the formation of a new ‘transitional government’; and secondly through imbuing the protest camps effectively with the right to rule Ukraine. The camps were visited by leading European and American politicians, who told the protesters theirs was a ‘just cause’ and that they have ‘a very different vision for the country’ to Yanukovich – a better one, of course. The consequence of such ‘mediation’ (meddling) was to isolate Yanukovich and embolden the protesters, creating the space for anti-Yanukovich politicians to manoeuvre themselves into positions of power.

And one of the most striking things about the events of the past week is just how these parliamentary actors in Ukraine positioned themselves for the take-up of power – they did it not through appealing to the Ukrainian masses but rather by meeting with Western leaders, most notably Merkel. Vitali Klitschko, leader of the Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform, has had extensive discussions with Western leaders, even before Yanukovich was ousted, and declared himself ‘very pleased’ with European politicians’ efforts to remake Ukraine as a ‘political and economically stable country’. One of the first things the Ukrainian Fatherland leader Yulia Tymoshenko did when she was released from jail this week was speak to Merkel. Merkel said Tymoshenko’s ‘return to political life [would] contribute to preserving the unity of Ukraine and help it along the path of European reform’. That is, she’s a politician who can be trusted to make Ukraine less Russian and more EU, less a friend of Putin and more a satellite of the EU. Whatever euphemisms are used to describe Western leaders’ effective selection of the new rulers of Ukraine – whether it’s ‘mediation’, ‘democracy promotion’ or ‘talks’ – there is no escaping the fact that what we have witnessed is a campaign of Western delegitimisation of a national leader whose interests run counter to the EU’s, followed by the handpicking, the political christening, of an apparently legitimate new interim government. Western forces have just done to a European country what they more usually do in the Third World.

Of course, there are numerous and crucially important local factors that have impacted on events in Ukraine over the past three months, including the divisions between west and east in that nation, its longstanding political tensions, and the extraordinary internal weaknesses of the Yanukovich regime, which seem to have been a key contributor to the relative ease with which outside forces have now effectively determined Ukraine’s political fate. But above all this, we have just witnessed European and American leaders remove an elected politician and replace him with a friendlier new government. You might not like Yanukovich; I certainly do not, being a believer in free speech, open political life and universal justice, all of which seem to have been alien to authoritarian Yanukovich. But he and his party were democratically elected by a majority in Ukraine, both in the 2010 presidential elections, when Yanukovich won 49 per cent of the vote to Tymoshenko’s 45 per cent, and in the 2012 parliamentary elections, when Yanukovich’s party won 187 seats and Tymoshenko’s won 102.

That’s enough euphemisms. Stop making the external usurping of Ukrainians’ expressed democratic will seem respectable. We are watching, not a revolution, but rather something that has a very strong whiff of Euro-imperialism to it.

This column is from spiked plus, our magazine-within-a-magazine that appears once a week for subscribers. For this week only, spiked plus is free to read. If you want to read it every week, sign up now, for a mere £5 a month. Click here.

Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked.
 
Here is what was later, speaking about Nuland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW1WDbDX7wE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Here is live Putin press conference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_cNDGU7k98
http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=onair
 
I have to say, I had a few belly laughs reading SOTT comments today! And I sure am glad that Putin achieved another checkmate. This DID turn out to be an even bigger fiasco than 2008 Georgia/South Ossetia - and less civilian casualties, I think.
 
SeekinTruth said:
I have to say, I had a few belly laughs reading SOTT comments today! And I sure am glad that Putin achieved another checkmate. This DID turn out to be an even bigger fiasco than 2008 Georgia/South Ossetia - and less civilian casualties, I think.

Yeah, Vladimir deserves a pat on the back for this one.
The guy is incredibly smart.
And admirable.:cool: :cool:
 
Serg said:
Here is Putin's live conference in English
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4494980,00.html

I haven't found a translation of this press conference yet.
Andybody know about an english version?

Here is the whole press conference in russian:
http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=582020

Over one hour of questions and answers from Putin...
 
I don't see Putin as some diplomatic god, as people sees him in recent few days (at least where I live) but normal real life politician, who does his job in a way it is meant to be done. On the other side he has a contrast in western politicians who are so ponerized that they live literary in the world of their own, ruled by wishful thinking, and which has nothing to do with the real world (and the real world ALWAYS bites back, this way or another). Maybe that's one of the reasons why people are "in love" with Putin these days. People are sick and tired of psychopathy and although they don't know it consciously, on some deeper level they can recognize how the real world and real life should look. I think that the large scale psychopathy can be felt, but the people are so tired of everyday life, that they cant even think about it.

Seems that turning Ukraine in civil war also has failed, I can guess that is turn on staging military attacks. "Russian soldiers" could attack Ukrainian soldiers, or maybe "pro-Russian" Ukrainians will attack the "pro-revolution" Ukrainians, or even vice-versa. Psychopaths are persistent but lacks creativity and imagination.

So, our friends in Ukraine, be careful.
 
Avala said:
I don't see Putin as some diplomatic god, as people sees him in recent few days (at least where I live) but normal real life politician, who does his job in a way it is meant to be done. On the other side he has a contrast in western politicians who are so ponerized that they live literary in the world of their own, ruled by wishful thinking, and which has nothing to do with the real world (and the real world ALWAYS bites back, this way or another). Maybe that's one of the reasons why people are "in love" with Putin these days. People are sick and tired of psychopathy and although they don't know it consciously, on some deeper level they can recognize how the real world and real life should look. I think that the large scale psychopathy can be felt, but the people are so tired of everyday life, that they cant even think about it.

That could very well be it. HOWEVER, it appears that Putin is a lot smarter than just that because he is able to deal with ponerized realities in an efficient way. He doesn't allow self-importance to rule his words or actions.
 
Pashalis said:
Serg said:
Here is Putin's live conference in English
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4494980,00.html

I haven't found a translation of this press conference yet.
Andybody know about an english version?

Here is the whole press conference in russian:
http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=582020

Over one hour of questions and answers from Putin...

Here is some part of the conference. I can't find more yet
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/04/ukraine-crisis-shots-fired-crimea-airbase
 
Yatsenuk asked for the money IMF

Ukraine expects country to receive $3 bln from IMF soon, says source
Ukraine plans to receive a first tranche of financial aid from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) of near $3 billion, the Bloomberg agency has reported, referring to the source close to the course of negotiations.

The source said that Ukraine, which assesses its own need in funds at $15 billion, could receive a first tranche in coming 10-40 days.

On Monday it was reported that the Mission of the IMF will work in Ukraine from March 4 to March 14, 2014. The mission will come to gather information to assess the current economic situation and discuss reforms in the sphere of economic policy, which could become the basis for the IMF-supported program.
http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/194236.html

Ukrainian parliament approves memorandum on financial assistance from EU

The Ukrainian parliament at a meeting on Tuesday ratified a memorandum on the provision by the European Union of EUR 610 million in macro-economic assistance to Ukraine.

A total of 280 lawmakers voted for this decision on Tuesday.

According to earlier reports, Ukraine and the European Union signed an agreement on the provision to Ukraine of macro-economic assistance in an amount of EUR 610 million on February 25, 2013.

The memorandum of mutual understanding envisions the provision of tranches in the amounts of EUR 100 million, EUR 10 million, EUR 250 million, and EUR 250 million.

In accordance with the document, the first tranche will be provided after the memorandum and the loan agreement take effect and after the European Commission decides that the agreements reached with the IMF are being implemented in a satisfactory manner.
http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/194245.html

And now they want to sell our energy sector.

According to the politician, “Naftogaz Ukrainy” remains “opaque monster” and “burden for the budget.” As noted Yatsenyuk idea of ​​privatization will stop corruption in the energy sector.

Furthermore, the Verkhovna Rada appointed prime minister said the possibility of reducing the budget, which, as it seems to be based on unrealistic performance.

«According to preliminary estimates, we can talk about reducing the state budget from 65 to 80 billion hryvnia,” - said Yatsenyuk.

February 28 self-proclaimed government warned that the Cabinet will have to ” extremely unpopular measures “because of the need to get a loan from the International Monetary Fund (IMF). In particular, the Acting Ministers have proposed to raise tariffs, abolish subsidies and curtail some social programs.

Earlier Yatsenyuk already noted that Ukraine is on the verge of economic collapse, because the treasury “looted and empty”, and the national debt has reached $ 75 billion. Also, the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine estimated that in the next two years, the country will need $ 35 billion.

coup d’etat took place in Ukraine in late February, when the Verkhovna Rada ousted President Viktor Yanukovych from running the country. Acting Head of State became parliamentary speaker Oleksandr Turchynov, and the government temporarily headed by leader of the opposition party “Fatherland” Yatsenyuk.
http://ru-facts.com/news/view/32634.html
 
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