Revolution in Ukraine: Western-engineered Coup d'État?

[thorbiorn]

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On the Russian language _http://interfax.com.ua/news/political/192182.html they say the assembly has withdrawn a law allowing bilingualism: Google translate returned:

The Act entered into force on August 10, it provides an opportunity to official bilingualism in regions where minority population exceeds 10%.

Odessa regional and city councils, Kharkiv, Kherson, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, Sevastopol, Dnepropetrovsk and Lugansk City Council, City Council Krasnoluchskij (Luhansk region.), Zaporozhye, Donetsk, Kherson, Mykolayiv and Dnipropetrovsk regional councils have already taken the decision to recognize Russian regional language.

The Hungarian language became a regional in-shore (Transcarpathia), Moldovan (Romanian) - In a village tarasivtsi Chernivtsi region. Romanian also became a regional language in the village of White Church (rum. Biserica Alba) Rahovsky district, Transcarpathian region.

Is that the new kind of democracy? To understand the perspective here follows a map that was found in an article on Washington Post _http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/12/09/this-one-map-helps-explain-ukraines-protests/

Now compare with a map of where Yanukovitch had his support:

These maps illustrate quite well the two country issue that Stephen F. Cohen spoke about in the interview on Democracy Now: http://www.sott.net/article/274380-US-Hypocrisy-and-Regime-change-The-Simple-Truth-About-Ukraine-Video

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

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Thanks for sharing, angelburst29! It seems that they do not leave room to maneuver diplomatically to Russia. So, forcing Russia to react fiercely.

He was accused of murder and rape. How could such a person run president elections at all?

That is a major catch in imposing "democracy" - supporting candidates with criminal background for at least two reasons: can later be rather easily blackmailed and also downthrown when convenient - like now in Ukraine. Also that kind of predators have significant drive to penetrate any institution of power to protect themselves from further persecution. Democracy is just a mirage - vast majority still don't get it -and therefore so much disappointment and shock. It is actually bipartisan (ideally) monopoly, remotely controlled - it was never intended to serve peoples' high expectations (induced/supported by MMM fairy tales) only to make 1% even more richer... Shock in Eastern European countries is even greater because of long period of "Socialism/Communism" in which we dreamed of "Democracy" that will bring us prosperity and better living. But the spell still works - i see people around me, dreaming of castles in the clouds au contraire to everyday life, becoming more and more irate due to that tremendous gap between their beliefs and reality. Yes believing lies leads to mental disturbance - top on the spot from C's - and mad unrest on the streets is wished goal for PTB...FWIW

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Very interesting. And castles in the air (wealth for the local elite and bubbles for the majorities) will be fed with possible RESCUES of the EU and the IMF now. It's the same criminal game they did with countries of Latin America. And after that "experimentation" still apply the same measures, just change the script a bit to suit the expectations of each people and political conjunctures.

 

[thorbiorn]

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As it turns out Ukraine has also shale gas:
_http://peakoil.com/publicpolicy/ukraine-overthrows-yanukovych-amid-usrussia-power-struggle-over-natural-gas has got this map which shows Shalegas deposits in the West and the East as well as the gaslines from Russia. although I am not able to use the imagefuntion in this instance you may find the map on this address:

_http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/a1/23/a12303d832b4a9dee13e156197ae65b3.png but then I found a more or less similar one on another site:

Without entering into all the details here is a short excerpt from the article:

In January 2013, Ukraine signed a deal with Royal Dutch Shell allowing that company to begin exploratory work ahead of fracking operations, and in November 2013 Ukraine signed a similar deal with Chevron. Meaning that Western powers were making progress in Ukraine, until the country performed an about-face and embraced Russia.

On the site where I found the map _http://fracking.velaw.com/shale-development-in-ukraine/ they report that Ukraine is estimated to have the fourth largest shalegas deposits in Europe:

according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA),1 ranking its deposits as the fourth largest in Europe behind Poland (187 tcf), France (180 tcf) and Norway (83 tcf).

 

[H-KQGE]

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I just wanted to say that those maps helped me as I'm one of those who needs the occasional visual aid, thanks thorbiorn.

 

[thorbiorn]

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Having followed the language, politics and gas resources on maps there is also the historical maps of Ukraine many which can be found on _http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Ukraine the borders of Ukraine have not been very stabel. A good idea of what has been goind on in Western Ukraine over the last few hundred years is visible on the map of the borders of Poland:

Notice the red lines which signify the borders of Poland in 1921 and compare them with the blue lines of today..

The present borders of Ukraine with Poland were established by Hitler and Stalin in 1939, as can be seen on this map

 

[Corvus]

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Yanukovich is not really smart fella, by making a deal with opposition he practicaly tied his hands. Probably because army declined to intervene(paid not to) so he got scared thinking police would not hold the line(or because of fear of escalation, but it was already to late for that) and he made a deal, giving "legality" to new goverment with 2004 constitution which ousted him althought they promised him that he would stay president until new elections, like they promised Saddam Kuwait and we know how it finished. No wonder Putin was mad, with police he could at least hold until Rus came. Now it will be total chaos, especially in west Ukraine until West or Russia intervene. Almost shades of Yugoslavia, only difference is that army intervened and tried to establish buffer zones and attacked nationalist and was demonized by west and in the end retreated because of ultimatum by west. Now it is different for Ukraine(at least Russian part), there is Putin and not western puppet Yeltisn anymore who stayed idle.

 

[s-kur]

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Lyndon Larouch- veteran of WW 2, geopolitical expert and political activist told about Ukraine situation and transatlantic economic crisis , but i'm doubt for Thermo-Nuclear war in that interwiew...on the other hand, which kind of thought has pathocrats?

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEKAWB7rCgc english version
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9NfkO0uGqs russian version

Also Lyndon Larouch told about about lowering the solar activity/radiation and some of the implications of these things.

 

[Persej]

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Man definitely knew how to live a good life:

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRTp88CanVA
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-s902Ib15w

Viktor Pshonka, on the other hand, had no taste:

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95ZpUYcYX8c

 

[Aeneas]

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Man definitely knew how to live a good life:

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRTp88CanVA
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-s902Ib15w

Viktor Pshonka, on the other hand, had no taste:

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95ZpUYcYX8c

I have also seen this circulated in the mass media as to show what a corrupt dictator he was. The thing is that Obama, Hollande etc. live in the same kind of luxury and undoubtedly Tymoshenko did too, when she had access to the trough.

Yes it is obscene when the people live in such poverty, but it does not justify a coup-etat of a democratically elected head of state.

 

[aragorn]

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Unknown gunmen have seized the Ukranian parliament building. Apparently these guys are pro-Russia, since a Russian flag is put up.

Read more: _http://on.rt.com/fjrquo

Security forces are on alert after the buildings of the Crimean parliament and administration have been seized by an unknown armed group. Ukraine's autonomous region is divided over the acceptance of new authorities in Kiev.

Thousands gathered in front of the parliament building on Wednesday with crowds split between those supporting the new government and those calling for integration with Russia. Two persons were killed and over 30 people were injured in clashes.

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

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The acting president of Ukraine Alexander Turchinov declared that any attempts to take government buildings in Ukraine, both in the east and in the West, will be regarded as a crime against the Ukrainian state.

Invaders building of parliament of Crimea and of the Council of Ministers of autonomy have firearms, the amount and type of which is unknown, according to the Prosecutor General of Ukraine on February 27.
During the capture space weapons were not used, as there is no data on the use of force against police officers and ASB (УГО on russian).
They don't make any demands.

Turchinov in the materials Wikileaks. In one of the documents Wikileaks it is reported about conversation of the ex-head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Yury Lutsenko and the ambassador of the USA in Ukraine:
"In particular, the "orange" Interior Minister Yury Lutsenko, defying, I told the ambassador of the USA in Ukraine that obtained the order from the public prosecutor to arrest Tymoshenko's colleagues Alexander Turchinov and Andrey Kozhemyakin that they destroyed documents SBU in which it was spoken about Tymoshenko's communication with the criminal businessman Semyon Mogilevich. Lutsenko called the order of the public prosecutor Medvedko mad and, naturally, it didn't execute.


The right sector urged to stop KPU and Party of Regions activity - The right sector decided that the Party of Regions and Communist Party of Ukraine are criminal groups.

The right sector assured that their attitude towards Russians as well as towards other representatives of ethnic minorities, "quite fits into the methodology offered by Stepan Bandera: brotherly to those who together with us fights for statehood of the Ukrainian nation; tolerant to those who recognizes our right to be owners of own destiny on the earth; hostilely to those who denies this right".

"Representatives of self-defense of the Maidan and "The right sector", and also other organizations, will be included in the leadership of Ministry of Internal Affairs to jointly prepare a strategy on how to coexist", - said Avakov.

"I invite representatives of all factions to participate in the development of the law of Ukraine to ensure the rights of Ukrainian citizens to freely acquire and possess firearms and machetes. The events of recent days have demonstrated just that if this law operates, such would anarchy by individual authorities, the regime - would not "- said Tyahnibok during a meeting of the conciliatory council of leaders of parliamentary factions on February 24.

Activists Maidan in Kiev, Sunday, February 23, held a rally against the return of Yulia Tymoshenko in politics - said LB.ua.

People are confident that with its rise to power in Ukraine bandit clan again prevail and everything will return to normal. The action participants indicated that they were achieved victory and not for the return of Yulia Tymoshenko in politics, and for a complete reboot of the entire system of government.

"I am sure that that money which were stolen by Yanukovych and were taken out from the country, will be returned back, also as was with money of dictators who were tumbled down" - added the Head of committee of European Parliament of the international affairs Elmar Brock.
We will remind, earlier the deputy of a duty of the Minister of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov reported that against the ex-president of Ukraine Victor Yanukovych the criminal proceedings on suspicion in participation in massacre are excited.

"Ukraine is a close partner of NATO, and NATO is a friend of the Ukrainian people. We look forward to continued cooperation with Ukraine on the basis of the Charter of the NATO-Ukraine", - said Rasmussen.

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

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and here some comments of Ukrainians on the mass media resources:

"The right sector needed to be equated long ago to an organized criminal group or terrorists.... and in general this theater of absurdity which occurs in the country under a wild laughter gay-rope (EU) and the Kremlin is favorable to all except the Ukraine. The director wrote the scenario, paved the way, painted roles and gave mass meeting which thinks that they gathered there voluntary and defend the interests... and the director plays the scenario, and receives the necessary result.... and the main thing that biomass with slogans about freedom, democracy and legality, forces all country, oppresses opinion of dissidents and repairs a lawlessness... HURRAH!!! Glory to Ukraine!!!"

"My uncle was born and lived in Kiev all life. It made remarks to group of visitors of protesters concerning the garbage thrown out under feet (the ballot box stood in 3 meters), they beat him and took away a package with the products bought just. As told - for needs of true citizens of Ukraine!
I watched Tymoshenko's performance, someone in crowd began to shout - Felon - out! Them at once named titushkas and having taken, took away for trials. It was their opinion, their assessment of activity of this politician. In "new" Ukraine any dissent - a crime! While I see chaos and the crowd power."

about demolition of a monument to Lenin in Dnepropetrovsk and inscriptions on a pedestal:
"I here think of the signature on a pedestal: it is what it is necessary to be [censored] that such to write? If the Golden eagle was CC, Protestants already for 90% would be in Babi Yar near Kiev, and instigators under tortures "handed over" the American puppeteers. And Putin at what? At that the Olympic Games, he in three months also didn't look at us. But the American whores buns distributed all three months that, and Putin condemned..."

(explanation: on that pedestal there were inscriptions "Putin - bitch" and "Berkut is SS")

"importantly, that these morons who are represented of the people of Ukraine, are now themselves hiding behind the backs of the police, although yesterday their own (police) and killed themselves."

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

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and that's what we have images:

at the left - Leaflets from Tarkhir Square in Egypt, on the right - leaflets from the Euromaidan:

Chloe Morets, USA actress?

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

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and here Alexander Muzychko AKA "Sashko Bily". video in Russian and Ukrainian (there is an offensive language from Muzychko), I don't know, whether there is it in English, but simply look. it is ours "new government."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8JC-ZjqFb4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtxbGjkpkF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOgQ6i_9Qbc

 

[Yozilla]

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Yanukovich is in Moscow supposedly... I guess in coordination with Putin to put further escalation of civil war on idle. So Ukrainian MPs will have to enjoy Nazi company/terror (Muzychko&coterie) and, after some time, could ask help - maybe from Putin FWIW...

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