Revolution in Ukraine: Western-engineered Coup d'État?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8JC-ZjqFb4

Aleksandr Muzychko, an activist of the nationalist Right Sector.
so now we have democracy and peace... Does the power to stop these thugs? I do not know who to call .. I hate the West and all the conspirators. Damn bastards. now, "thanks" to them I have to live amid this anarchy, open terror and violence :/
Plus, expect the complete collapse of the economy and even more unemployment ...
 
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Many people should undergo some kind of demoncracy rehab ...Still believe strongly that that ideal is reachable although everyday politics prove totally opposite. "Only functioning demoncracy in history was in ancient Greece" :barf: - some people really bought this and their frustration is growing: "If Greeks could manage it, how we cannot today?" Maybe "Greeks" were liars :evil:

Any political system based on "professional" politicians selected through Party leveling is perishable at large. Parties should be forbidden. Period. Direct and continual selection without elections every four or so years. :deadhorse:

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Lumiere_du_Code said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8JC-ZjqFb4

Aleksandr Muzychko, an activist of the nationalist Right Sector.
so now we have democracy and peace... Does the power to stop these thugs? I do not know who to call .. I hate the West and all the conspirators. Damn bastards. now, "thanks" to them I have to live amid this anarchy, open terror and violence :/
Plus, expect the complete collapse of the economy and even more unemployment ...

Regarding Aleksandr Muzychko there is more here: _http://rt.com/news/ukraine-radical-attacks-prosecutor-080/ In any case, maybe Ukraine goes through now what will come to many other places only later.

I understand your frustration, but hope you will keep up your spirits.
 
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Here is live press conference of Yanukovych in Rostov Na Dony in Russia.
http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3312870-press-konferentsyia-yanukovycha-onlain-transliatsyia-ya-nykuda-ne-bezhal-v-kyeve-menia-strelialy
 
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Serg said:
Here is live press conference of Yanukovych in Rostov Na Dony in Russia.
http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3312870-press-konferentsyia-yanukovycha-onlain-transliatsyia-ya-nykuda-ne-bezhal-v-kyeve-menia-strelialy

He just a jester...
 
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Things might get worse...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10666893/Ukraine-crisis-live-UN-Security-Council-to-hold-emergency-meeting-on-Ukraine-crisis.html

21.01 AFP has reported that Russian aircraft carrying nearly 2,000 suspected troops have landed at a military air base near the regional capital of the restive Crimean peninsula, according to an official in Kiev's new government.

"Thirteen Russian aircraft landed at the airport of Gvardeysky (near Simferopol) with 150 people in each one," Sergiy Kunitsyn, the Ukrainian president's special representive in Crimea, told the local ATR television channel, adding the air space had been closed. It was not immediately clear if Russia had the right to use the base or send additional troops there under its agreements with Ukraine.

Caution should be exercised before calling this an "invasion" right now - the new Kiev government may be panicking.

Video Link showing helicopters in Crimea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LYFh2lABg48
 
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There is timeline of events for the 1st of March here: http://news.allcrimea.net/news/2014/3/1/osada-kryma-hronika-subboty-6174/ One of the news items is that the referendum regarding the status of Crimea has been changed to the 30th of March: http://news.allcrimea.net/news/2014/3/1/osada-kryma-hronika-subboty-6174/ Previously it was decided to be held on the 25th of May. Another timeline is on http://15minut.org/article/hronika-sobytij-v-krymu-1-marta-obnovljaetsja-2014-03-01-11-23-20
 
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I found a video on Obama talking yesterday(28.02.2014)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_tkmgCnmWms
 
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Apparently the Russians senators have said that a small contingent of their soldiers could go to Crimea: _http://rt.com/news/russia-crimea-sieze-gunmen-344/


It is in the long time perspective also significant that the DUMA is working on new anti-terror laws: _http://rt.com/politics/russia-anti-terror-bill-passed-170/

I also noticed that in Kharkow and Donetsk there have been some activity, now the Euromaidans are retreating:_http://www.unian.net/politics/891546-v-harkove-storonniki-gorodskoy-vlasti-zahvatili-oga.html
_http://www.unian.net/politics/891548-v-donetske-s-oga-sorvali-flag-ukrainyi-i-vodruzili-flag-rossii-militsiya-pereshla-na-storonu-naroda.html
 
Enter Israel:

Anti-Semitism comes full circle: Israeli Defence Forces unit led fascist militia in Kiev - How much involvement did Israel have in neo-Nazi coup d'état?

Note how 'Delta' dismisses the neo-Nazi elements among his fellow 'protesters' by saying:

"It's bullshit. I never saw any expression of anti-Semitism during the protests, and the claims to the contrary were part of the reason I joined the movement. We're trying to show that Jews care."

The following article lays that 'explanation' bare:

Ukraine's protests: The context

[...] Those who dismiss the sights of fascist banners and neonazi logos as the work of irrelevant fringe extremists fail to see how far the mainstream parties have adopted the far-right agenda and indeed have facilitated its emergence.

[...] Yet the British media has continued not only to present the far-right as a purely marginal force but also to outrageously rewrite the history of the second world war and the Holocaust in the guise of an impartiality rarely shown in other areas.

[...] Bandera [the Ukrainian nationalists' heroic figure] led an organisation that was a Nazi ally and an active participant in the Holocaust.

[...] Bandera was a war criminal, a fascist and anti-semite. He also passed through the hands of the CIA and MI6 during the cold war until he was assassinated in 1959, one of many fascists enlisted in the defence of the "free world."

[...] While it might be easy to dismiss Svoboda as a crackpot party, its ability to tap into the darker side of Ukraine's past provides it with a potential mass base, especially among the young who have grown up knowing only the last two decades of anti-communism and narrow nationalism.
 
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There's a Diplomatic Document that may come into play, in the over-all situation transpiring in Ukraine?
It's refered to as "the Budapest Memorandum." A treaty signed in 1994 by Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma – the then-rulers of the USA, UK, Russia and Ukraine - which agreed to the The Budapest Memorandum, as part of the denuclearization of former Soviet republics after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. It is not a formal Treaty, but rather, a Diplomatic Document, binding in International Law which "may or may not" be enforced. The agreement promises to protect Ukraine's borders in return for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons.

As a Document and not "as a formal Treaty" that directly specifies conditions and protocols that can be taken in any given situation, my concern is that it may be used by the U.S. and U.K. as a loop-hole to declare War with Russia - if Russia is deamed by "the present acting body of the Ukraine" as having breeched it borders in what is termed "as military intervention." China would probably jump in to help Russia - battle the U.S. and U.K. and the World will be set on fire? The U.S. already has "visiting" Russian and Chinese troops on our soil via Home Land Securities on going active 'Drill's" with our Military.

_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570335/Former-British-Ambassador-Moscow-warns-Russia-invaded-Ukraine-difficult-avoid-going-war.html

"Moscow has vowed to protect Russian-speaking Ukrainians in Crimea, where it has a major naval base, and Ukraine and the West have warned Russia to stay away. "

"Russia did not confirm its troops were involved in Friday's action in Crimea, which would be a major escalation. "

"In Kiev, Ukraine's parliament adopted a resolution demanding that Russia halt steps it says are aimed against Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and called for a U.N. Security Council meeting on the crisis."

"At the airport serving Simferopol, commercial flights were landing and taking off despite dozens of armed men in military uniforms without markings patrolling with assault rifles. They didn't stop or search people leaving or entering the airport, and refused to talk to journalists."

"One man who identified himself only as Vladimir said the men were part of the Crimean People's Brigade, which he described as a self-defense unit ensuring that no 'radicals and fascists' arrive from other parts of Ukraine. There was no way to verify his account."

"The airport deployments came a day after masked gunmen with rocket-propelled grenades and sniper rifles seized the parliament and government offices in Simferopol and raised the Russian flag. Ukrainian police cordoned off the area but didn't confront the gunmen. They remained in control of the buildings Friday."

"Tensions between the two countries were high, however. Russia continued with massive combat readiness exercises involving most of its troops in western and southern Russia that it said were unrelated to the Ukraine conflict. The moves were reminiscent of Cold War brinksmanship."

"The Kremlin, in a statement published late Thursday, said President Vladimir Putin had instructed the government to 'maintain contacts with the counterparts in Kiev in what concerns trade and economic ties between Russia and Ukraine. Moscow has been sending mixed signals about Ukraine but pledged to respect its territorial integrity. Putin has long dreamed of pulling Ukraine, a country of 46 million people considered the cradle of Russian civilization, closer into Moscow's orbit."

"Ukraine's population is divided in loyalties between Russia and the West, with much of western Ukraine advocating closer ties with the European Union while eastern and southern regions look to Russia for support."

"Crimea, a southeastern peninsula of Ukraine that has semi-autonomous status, was seized by Russian forces in the 18th century under Catherine the Great, and was once the crown jewel in Russian and then Soviet empires."

"It became part of Ukraine in 1954 when Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev transferred jurisdiction from Russia, a move that was a mere formality until the 1991 Soviet collapse meant Crimea landed in an independent Ukraine."

"And Putin, in his statement, asked his government to 'hold consultations with foreign partners including the IMF and the G8 nations to provide financial aid to Ukraine.'


Comment: With this being the first of March, hope "the Idles of March" aren't marked into more blood shed with a declaration of War between the U.S. & U.K. against Russia and China (with Ukraine in the middle) and transitioning into the "April Drop Date" as a worse case scenerio?
 
Kniall said:
[...] Bandera [the Ukrainian nationalists' heroic figure] led an organisation that was a Nazi ally and an active participant in the Holocaust.

[...] Bandera was a war criminal, a fascist and anti-semite. He also passed through the hands of the CIA and MI6 during the cold war until he was assassinated in 1959, one of many fascists enlisted in the defence of the "free world."

Yep, for a Jew being involved with "Banderovcy" (as they're called) is the biggest betrayal there is, since they actively collaborated with the Nazis during the WWII, and are responsible for many atrocities done against Belorussian people as well. There is a well known massacre that happened in Khatyn - a village near Minsk. 149 people, including 75 children under age were burned alive. When I was a child I visited the memorial and will never forget the experience.

And although the info on the Khatyn site and other official sites say that all those people were murdered by fascists, Belorussians know that in reality they weren't German Nazis, but Ukrainian Banderovcy.

So yeah, that's just another proof that this Delta and others like him are psychopaths and don't really care for Jews or whoever else. He is also wearing a kippah? Oh, please...hiding behind religion is a favorite shtick of Israeli petty criminals. In his case, however, it could indicate that he subscribes to the same racist and militant view of the far right rabbis, whose influence and machinations maybe even deeper and broader than of Mossad's. Or they could be the offshoot of Mossad.
 
http://stream.wsj.com/story/deadly-clashes-in-ukraine/SS-2-457850/SS-2-468999/?mod=wsj_streaming_deadly-clashes-in-ukraine
Ukraine Warships in Black Sea
*Ukraine Warships Deployed in Black Sea on Alert — Border Service Official
*Ukraine Border Forces: Will Do Everything to Prevent Seizure of Bases, Ships
*Military Attempting to Take Control of Border Naval Bases Said They Act on Orders From Moscow — Ukraine Border Official

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/01/crimean-leader-claims-control-asks-russia-for-help-in-restoring-peace/

The Russian parliament unanimously voted Saturday to grant President Vladimir Putin permission to mobilize the country's military in Ukraine and asked that the country's ambassador in Washington be recalled after earlier statements by President Obama.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/breaking-thousands-pro-russia-demonstrators-in-donetsk-ukraine-are-storming-govt-building-taking-down-ukraine-flags/

Thousands PRO-Russia demonstrators in Donetsk, Ukraine are storming govt building taking down ukraine flags !

The latest news I found.
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