Revolution in Ukraine: Western-engineered Coup d'État?

[mak3]

Hi,

It's my first post on cassiopaea forum. I am writing from Poland, Cracow.
Since the Ukrainian crisis has began I stared to observe the situation from a normal Polish citizen point of view.

I disagree with the sentence that polish people are fed by anti-russian theories. A lot of polish people remember the WW2, the russian invasion and what they did to our citizens. This is the fundamental cause why we are afraid of the russian moves in Ukraine.

The main difference between Poland and Ukraine is that we are ethnically unified. In Poland we have minority ~3% but In eastern Ukraine most of people uses Russian as a primary language and they supports russian government as well as they want to be the part of Russia.
In this circumstances it is quite easily to take apart Ukraine because the will never be unified.

Sorry for my mistakes - I prefer speaking rather than writing in English :)

Best wishes,
Mak3

 

[Laura]

I disagree with the sentence that polish people are fed by anti-russian theories. A lot of polish people remember the WW2, the russian invasion and what they did to our citizens. This is the fundamental cause why we are afraid of the russian moves in Ukraine.

Russia then and Russia now are two different things. Have you read Lobaczewski's "Political Ponerology"? Ideologies are often masks for evil doings. And the same is true for any ideology. A little historical review that shows the manipulations on both sides: See: http://www.sott.net/article/213033-Remembering-the-Warsaw-Uprising-66-Years-Later

 

[mak3]

I agree with that. I think people are afraid because they are not sure if Russia now is completely different than in WW2.
Annexation of Crimea is the fact which points that Russia is still having a luggage from the past.
We, polish people just want to have peace and live normally. It is sad that our authorities involves too much in this crisis.

I have a hope that Putin will stop annexation of another lands (not only Ukrainian).

Mak3

 

[SeekinTruth]

There was no "annexation" of Crimea. That's the West's propaganda. The people of Crimea, seeing what happened in Kiev, voted in a referendum by 96.77% to become part of the Russian Federation.

 

[mak3]

First of all the referendum was illegal because Crimea was under the Ukrainian government. Please get familiar to International Law. Also there was 125% votes in this referendum - much more than total of Crimeas residents. These are facts, not propaganda.

 

[Joe]

There was no "annexation" of Crimea. That's the West's propaganda. The people of Crimea, seeing what happened in Kiev, voted in a referendum by 96.77% to become part of the Russian Federation.

Indeed, what there was was an effective "annexation" of Ukraine by the West/NATO/American Empire. Russia had a choice, allow it to happen and lose its many ties with Ukraine, or take action to halt the progress of the juggernaut.

 

[Vic]

First of all the referendum was illegal because Crimea was under the Ukrainian government. Please get familiar to International Law. Also there was 125% votes in this referendum - much more than total of Crimeas residents. These are facts, not propaganda.

Hi mak3

Please provide a source for your 'facts' so that I may investigate further.

The question of the legitimacy of the Crimea referendum is not as simple as western mainstream media would have us believe.

Here is an article explaining how in fact it is the Western powers going against international law, rather than Russia:

_http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/15/referendum-crimea-international-law/

 

[Laura]

I agree with that. I think people are afraid because they are not sure if Russia now is completely different than in WW2.
Annexation of Crimea is the fact which points that Russia is still having a luggage from the past.
We, polish people just want to have peace and live normally. It is sad that our authorities involves too much in this crisis.

I have a hope that Putin will stop annexation of another lands (not only Ukrainian).

Mak3

I hope that Putin will annex enough other lands in fair confederation fashion so as to make a strong counterweight against the evil empire of Atlantis AKA USA. I think Ukraine should rejoin the Russian Union, and a bunch of other places as well. Poland would be a lot safer with Russia at their back instead of the evil IMF, EU and US "shock doctrine" economists who will end up owning everything and the Poles will be slaves in their own country.

 

[mak3]

Indeed, what there was was an effective "annexation" of Ukraine by the West/NATO/American Empire. Russia had a choice, allow it to happen and lose its many ties with Ukraine, or take action to halt the progress of the juggernaut.

Do you think that EU is a "pure evil"?
What happened in Kiev was caused by West-Ukrainians wish to join the EU. They see what changed in Poland/Slovakia/Czech when they became the part of EU.

 

[mak3]

No Laura, sorry but you are wrong.

We've had Russia on our back and we know what it feels like.
First of all none of EU countries joined by force so if you think that better solution for us is to annex our country by force by Russia it is just funny...

 

[Vic]

Indeed, what there was was an effective "annexation" of Ukraine by the West/NATO/American Empire. Russia had a choice, allow it to happen and lose its many ties with Ukraine, or take action to halt the progress of the juggernaut.

Do you think that EU is a "pure evil"?
What happened in Kiev was caused by West-Ukrainians wish to join the EU. They see what changed in Poland/Slovakia/Czech when they became the part of EU.

As a UK citizen I have watched exactly what EU membership means. This includes the secret implementation of thousands of laws that strip citizens of their rights, and allows member states to have their sovereignty stolen, and culture erased. It is the classic divide and rule. At a certain time, if the expected future takes place, all these laws will be acted upon. EU citizens will be wondering what the hell hit us.

Certain people in Ukraine were sufficiently aware of the wolf in sheep's clothing that the EU is. Unfortunately the majority are dazzled by Western/EU propaganda, and backed by NATO militia groups.

 

[mak3]

Paddyjohn unfortunately this is true.
I think Poland should leave EU in the next couple of years. Our law is continuously changing due to EU regulations and this is very bad for us.
In the next couple of years it will be unprofitable for most of EU countries to be members of the union.

I think EU countries should work together but not in union. Of course we don't need and don't want russia on our back.

 

[Vic]

Paddyjohn unfortunately this is true.
I think Poland should leave EU in the next couple of years. Our law is continuously changing due to EU regulations and this is very bad for us.
In the next couple of years it will be unprofitable for most of EU countries to be members of the union.

I think EU countries should work together but not in union. Of course we don't need and don't want russia on our back.

I feel the same about the UK, mak3.

But please, don't judge Russia today by the Russia of old. Things and people do change. Right now I would rather be a member of a Russian federation than the self-serving, corrupt, criminal EU. And I say this on the basis that I have looked at Russia and its people of today, rather than of the past.

 

[mak3]

I feel the same about the UK, mak3.

But please, don't judge Russia today by the Russia of old. Things and people do change. Right now I would rather be a member of a Russian federation than the self-serving, corrupt, criminal EU. And I say this on the basis that I have looked at Russia and its people of today, rather than of the past.

Ok, maybe I'am wrong or just being afraid of Russian invasion. I just hope it won't happen to Poland.
I am a software developer so very often I go to London and work with British people and I have to admin that they have the same opinion as you and me about the membership of UK and Poland in EU.

It was good for us to join but It will be also good for us to get a divorce with EU

 

[Vic]

More and more people are waking up, so there is hope for us. I long for that divorce. But if we get it we can be sure that our spurned spouse will take the clothes off our backs. But we'll be naked and free - free to start again. That's one possibility anyway :)