Revolution in Ukraine: Western-engineered Coup d'État?

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edgitarra said:
This is just a part of the article.

And also this one: "Time to grab guns and kill damn Russians – Tymoshenko in leaked tape"
http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/
EDIT: RT link added

And she was the "darling of the protestors" and her release from prison was THE major sticking point last year between the EU (in particular Merkel's Germany) and Yanukovych's government. The US and the EU have been demanding her release every since she was convicted, calling her a "political prisoner" and they blamed Putin (who else) as the indirect reason for her being in prison in the first place. Yet last Nov. the Ukrainian parliament were unable to find a consensus to pass any of the six motions that would have allowed for Tymoshenko's release, and this (along with EU refusals to agree to compensate Ukraine for lost trade with Russia) was the reason Yanukovych turned towards a Russian financial deal.

Basically, the EU (and US) set up the Yanukovych government by putting it in an impossible position and when it predictably failed to meet the terms, they launched a coup against it. As a result, Tymoshenko is released and calls for the slaughter of Russians. Now THAT's European and American "democracy in action" for ya.
 
Wasn't sure whether to post this in "Suggest an Article" or here so just to signpost:

_http://rt.com/usa/ron-paul-democracy-ukraine-909/

Ron Paul: US 'democracy promoting' kills democracy said:
This week, Paul wrote that the US could actually perhaps promote democracy overseas, but first sanctions and blockades should be lifted.

“We can promote democracy with a US private sector that engages overseas. A society that prospers through increased trade ties with the US will be far more likely to adopt practices and policies that continue that prosperity and encourage peace,” he wrote.

In short, typical left-wing conclusion.
 
Thousands sign White House Petition for Alaska to Secede and join Russia
_http://www.thedailysheeple.com/nearly-6200-people-sign-white-house-petition-for-alaska-to-secede-and-join-russia_032014

“We the People,” the White House’s online petition website that claims it is “giving all Americans a way to engage their government on the issues that matter to them,” is currently hosting a petition for Alaska to leave the United States and join Russia.

The petition, written by S. V. of Anchorage, simply reads:

Groups Siberian Russians crossed the Isthmus (now the Bering Strait) 16-10 thousand years ago.

Russian began to settle on the Arctic coast, Aleuts inhabited the Aleutian Archipelago.

First visited Alaska August 21, 1732, members of the team boat “St. Gabriel »under the surveyor Gvozdev and assistant navigator I. Fedorov during the expedition Shestakov and DI Pavlutski 1729-1735 years.

Vote for secession of Alaska from the United States and joining Russia.


The more than 100,000 people who signed a petition for Texas to secede over a year ago — the threshold that forces the White House to respond on its petition website — were basically told no. A White House official claimed that the reason was because our founding fathers established the United States as a “perpetual union” — and the White House has of course overwhelmingly proven how much they respect and care about what the founding fathers thought about how the country should be run, so…

The Alaska petition was just created yesterday. At the time of writing this, 6,198 people have already signed it, which is 15 more people than when I decided to put this up here about ten minutes ago.
 
Perceval said:
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Basically, the EU (and US) set up the Yanukovych government by putting it in an impossible position and when it predictably failed to meet the terms, they launched a coup against it. As a result, Tymoshenko is released and calls for the slaughter of Russians. Now THAT's European and American "democracy in action" for ya.

Whereas fascism defined as an ideology has many details see ex: _ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism the common usage of the word is clear enough:

_http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fascism said:
fas·cism (făsh′ĭz′əm) n.
1. often Fascism
a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
[Italian fascismo, from fascio, group, from Late Latin fascium, from Latin fascis, bundle.]

The US, NATO and the EU have revealed about themselves, in how they have set up and handled the affair in Ukraine, based on all the collected evidence - that they fit with the definitions on too many points.
 
Siberia said:
Vladimir Zhirinovksy has always been a weird person, to say the least. I usually don't waste my time listening to his eccentric ideas. One can find a lot of scandalous news involving Mr. Zhirinovksy like fighting people, including women, at Duma sessions, etc. (See his 'best public fights' at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pghilRQVG4I).

However, this person is a leader of a 3rd largest party in Russia, which is rather disturbing..

He actually did send an official letter to the Polish Ministry for Foreign Affairs... Official comments:

Advisor to the President of Poland: "Only a sick mind can come up with something like that. ... Actually, this letter should be sent to a psychiatrist."

Spokesman for the Ministry: "Those suggestions are so peculiar that no one takes them seriously ... Vladimir Zhirinovsky will get a courtesy reply, without references to the content of his letter."
 
Speaking of NATO, 15 years on: Looking back at NATO's ‘humanitarian’ bombing of Yugoslavia

( I personally have a deep fondness for Yugoslavia, for both sides of my Grandparent's came from Yugoslavia to the U.S. )

_http://rt.com/news/yugoslavia-kosovo-nato-bombing-705/

Exactly 15 years ago, on March 24, NATO began its 78-day bombing of Yugoslavia. The alliance bypassed the UN under a “humanitarian” pretext, launching aggression that claimed hundreds of civilian lives and caused a much larger catastrophe than it averted.

NATO bombings of Yugoslavia in 15 dramatic photos

Years on, Serbia still bears deep scars of the NATO bombings which, as the alliance put it, were aimed at “preventing instability spreading” in Kosovo. Questions remain on the very legality of the offense, which caused casualties and mass destruction in the Balkan republic.

Codenamed 'Operation Allied Force,' it was the largest attack ever undertaken by the alliance. It was also the first time that NATO used military force without the approval of the UN Security Council and against a sovereign nation that did not pose a real threat to any member of the alliance.

NATO demonstrated in 1999 that it can do whatever it wants under the guise of “humanitarian intervention,” “war on terror,” or “preventive war” – something that everyone has witnessed in subsequent years in different parts of the globe.

Nineteen NATO member states participated to some degree in the military campaign against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro), which lasted for 11 weeks until June 10, 1999.

More rubble, less trouble
In the course of the campaign, NATO launched 2,300 missiles at 990 targets and dropped 14,000 bombs, including depleted uranium bombs and cluster munitions (unexploded cluster bombs continued to pose a threat to people long after the campaign was over.) Over 2,000 civilians were killed, including 88 children, and thousands more were injured. Over 200,000 ethnic Serbs were forced to leave their homeland in Kosovo.

In what the alliance described as “collateral damage,” its airstrikes destroyed more than 300 schools, libraries, and over 20 hospitals. At least 40,000 homes were either completely eliminated or damaged and about 90 historic and architectural monuments were ruined. That is not to mention the long-term harm caused to the region’s ecology and, therefore, people’s health, as well as the billion-dollar economic damage.

Bombing background
Former NATO Secretary General Javier Solana ordered military action against Yugoslavia following a failure in negotiations on the Kosovo crisis in France’s Rambouillet and Paris in February and March 1999.

NATO's decision was officially announced after talks between international mediators – known as the Contact Group – the Yugoslav government, and the delegation of Kosovo Albanians ended in a deadlock. Belgrade refused to allow foreign military presence on its territory while Albanians accepted the proposal.
 
Somebody sanitized the Right Sector of Western UA
_http://rt.com/news/sashko-bily-dead-reports-013/ said:
Notorious Ukrainian nationalist militant Muzychko 'shot dead' (GRAPHIC PHOTO) Published time: March 25, 2014 05:05 Edited time: March 25, 2014 06:00

A Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada MP, Aleksandr Doniy, was among the first to write about Muzychko’s death.

“His car was cut off by two other cars. He was dragged out and placed in one of those cars. Then he was thrown on the ground with his hands cuffed behind his back and [he received] two shots in his heart,” Doniy wrote on Facebook.

Some suggest the shooting followed a fight in a nearby cafe.

Muzychko himself earlier said he believed he could be killed. In a video address recently posted on YouTube he said that the leadership of “the Prosecutor General's office and the Interior Ministry of Ukraine made a decision to either eliminate me or to capture me and hand me over to Russia, to then blame it all on the Russian intelligence.”
see also _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Muzychko which has
On March 24 2014 a group of unknown armed people arrived on three Volkswagen minivans and kidnapped Muzychko and five other people from a cafe near Rivne. They murdered Muzychko behind the cafe by two gunshots to the heart
I looked up the Aleksandr Doniy mentioned in the RT article and found that he has been vocal in fighting football hooligans
_http://rt.com/news/ukraine-to-play-totalitarian-football/ said:
Back in the 1970s, the Dutch national team shocked the football world with a revolutionary new system called ‘Total Football’. Now a member of Ukraine’s Democratic Coalition, MP Aleksandr Doniy, is shocking fans with something that can be called ‘Totalita

The draft plan for the law, which aims to solve the problem of football hooliganism, was presented to the local parliament and deprives supporters of most of their civil rights.

If the legislation becomes law it will be impossible to buy a ticket to any game taking place in Ukraine without showing a passport.

Aleksandr Doniy suggests that all football fans should be registered in official fan clubs if they want to support their team, visit its away games and wear its colours at the stadium.

The activities of all other unauthorized fans’ associations would be declared illegal and any law-breakers would be prosecuted without mercy. The punishment for supporting your favorite team without having a fan club members’ card would range from two to seven years in prison.

Security measures at the stadiums would also be increased.
Considering teh severity of the law proposed at teh time and that some football hooligans have been linked to the Right Sector it is not unimaginable that Aleksandr Doniy would have been in favour of the solution meeted out to Oleksandr Muzychko.
 
There is apparently a new leaked phone call with Yulia Tymoshenko. (It is authentic she admitted it herself on twitter)


http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/

Quite a bombshell...

In her first sentence she is referring to Putin:

Tymoshenko said:
"I'm ready to grab a machine gun and shoot that m*********er in the head."

Another quote from Tymoshenko in this phone call:

Tymoshenko said:
“This is really beyond all boundaries. It’s about time we grab our guns and kill go kill those damn Russians together with their leader,”

Her statements are just :jawdrop:

You can literally see her true colours...

Looking forward to the next leaks :evil:
 
Four historical maps that trace the borders of Ukraine a bit further back:
form_ukr.jpg

In the maps from 1654, 1686 and 1795 blue colour is the Ottoman Empire. The violet is the Crimean Khanate, the dark yellow is Hungarian/Austria-Hungarian but in in 1922 it is Chechoslovakia, the yellow is the Ukraine Soviet Socialist Republic, the terra cotta is Russian, grey is first Lithuanian, but Polish in 1922, green is Romanian.

In between there have been other borders some one can be found on _http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/index.html
 
Video of President Obama's short speech at the Hague. His popularity rating is at an all time low - only one person clapped - from a crowd of Global dignitaries.

Obama brands Russia 'a regional power'

US tension with Russia will not have eased any, with remarks made by President Barack Obama at the close of a nuclear security summit in the Hague.

Answering questions about Ukraine, he downplayed Moscow's global influence and its motives, amid the worst East-West crisis since the Cold War.

"Russia is a regional power that is threatening some of its immediate neighbours, not out of strength but out of weakness," Obama said.


_http://investmentwatchblog.com/obama-well-thats-embarrassing-no-one-clapped-3252014/
 
Aeneas said:
Argentines president has now responded and high-lighted the double standards of the West.

http://www.sott.net/article/275818-Argentine-president-condemns-Western-policy-on-situation-in-Crimea-and-reminds-the-West-of-the-Falkland-referendum
Yes, that's good to show the contradictions of the British government, but she forget to say something important: the right to self-determination in Malvinas / Falkland is different, because since 1833 the British expelled the Argentinian population and replaced with British population. So when the British government speak of self-determination of Malvinas / Falkland is a bad joke. It is a different situation to Crimea, which was always Russian.

angelburst29 said:
GlobalReserch has published an interesting article on Putin and the Ukraine Crises:
The Ukraine Crisis and Vladimir Putin: A New Financial System Free from Wall Street and the City of London?
_http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ukraine-crisis-and-vladimir-putin-a-new-financial-system-free-from-wall-street-and-the-city-of-london/5374785
angelburst29 said:
Thousands sign White House Petition for Alaska to Secede and join Russia
_http://www.thedailysheeple.com/nearly-6200-people-sign-white-house-petition-for-alaska-to-secede-and-join-russia_032014
Thanks for sharing, very good articles.
Another good read by Thierry Meyssan:
"Is Crimea’s Shift the First of a Long Series ?"
_http://www.voltairenet.org/article182922.html

As the note says, Russia is imperial but not imperialist, and that may soon make more nations want to join the federation or become true partners of Russia. It seems that even some marxists realize that the battle is not between capitalism vs socialism (both ideologies contaminated by psychopaths) but be in alignment against a psychopathic empire. And the last decade of the intensified horrors of USA / Israel / NATO did not go unnoticed by the majorities.
 
Apparently Obama wants NATO presence in Ukraine:
NATO must have a sustained presence in countries that feel “vulnerable” to Russia, US President Barack Obama said at a meeting with EU leaders in Brussels. He added that neither Ukraine nor Georgia was currently being considered for NATO membership.

Obama insisted that contingency plans had to be examined and “updated” to guarantee “that we do more to ensure that a regular NATO presence among some of these states that may feel vulnerable is executed.” The comments came during a four-day trip to Europe by the US president.

However, Obama expressed concern that defense spending in Europe had fallen in several countries across the continent. “If we have collective defense it means everyone has to chip in, and I have concern about diminished efforts by some in NATO,” he said.

“Our freedom isn't free,” he said, adding that it was necessary to “pay for the assets, the personnel, the training... for deterrent force.”

Anders Fogh-Rasmussen, Secretary-General of NATO, displayed public support for a heightened NATO presence after meeting with Obama during his Brussels visit.

“I join Barack Obama in considering additional NATO measures: updated defense plans, enhanced exercises, appropriate deployments,” Rasmussen tweeted Wednesday. He added that cooperation with Ukraine may be enhanced.

source:
http://rt.com/news/russia-nato-presence-expand-429/



Seems like NATO doesn't even need a NATO country to just show up and make "stabilize" the situation.
 
edgitarra said:
Apparently Obama wants NATO presence in Ukraine:
[...]
However, Obama expressed concern that defense spending in Europe had fallen in several countries across the continent. “If we have collective defense it means everyone has to chip in, and I have concern about diminished efforts by some in NATO,” he said.

“Our freedom isn't free,” he said, adding that it was necessary to “pay for the assets, the personnel, the training... for deterrent force.”

Anders Fogh-Rasmussen, Secretary-General of NATO, displayed public support for a heightened NATO presence after meeting with Obama during his Brussels visit.
“I join Barack Obama in considering additional NATO measures: updated defense plans, enhanced exercises, appropriate deployments,” Rasmussen tweeted Wednesday. He added that cooperation with Ukraine may be enhanced.

source:
http://rt.com/news/russia-nato-presence-expand-429/
Seems like NATO doesn't even need a NATO country to just show up and make "stabilize" the situation.

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It amounts to increased occupation by US/EU/NATO in Europe and Obama wishes to convince the people in Europe that they should be happy to pay for it. From Obama's point of view, I can see the advantage of this. Much of the military hardware is American and it needs to be sold, secondly he has an army and going out of Afghanistan there will be too little to do for it to be sustainable, if it ever was. Thirdly, some of the poorer countries can not pay for the military assistance, but then they can be convinced to give up natural resources and economic assets at a discount. While being a speculation I could immagine that by the time the US is finally down, Europe will be hit much harder, than if they had shown a bit of Russian style indepedence in relation to the US.
 
Red Star fans in yesterday's game in Belgrade gave support to Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD5S6wDA6IM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7uCGhdCWa4

:)
 
angelburst29 said:
Speaking of NATO, 15 years on: Looking back at NATO's ‘humanitarian’ bombing of Yugoslavia

( I personally have a deep fondness for Yugoslavia, for both sides of my Grandparent's came from Yugoslavia to the U.S. )

_http://rt.com/news/yugoslavia-kosovo-nato-bombing-705/

They also made a little documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M42BAJAk84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9tX8onPsnM
 
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