Revolution in Ukraine: Western-engineered Coup d'État?

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@ angelburst29, and others too of course:

The way I look at this, is like what Rudolf Hilferding as the first and foremost scientist has analyzed ages ago in his Finance Capital (1910): a play out --on a global scale again, this time round-- of the differences and divergence in interests between the financiers at one end and the entrepreneurs, agriculturalists and other product makers at the other. Both in their fully monopolized oligarchic constructs nowadays. A conflict, at bottom, between imploding negative parasitic forces and expanding creative productive forces.

It has happened before and it will happen again, as long as nothing fundamentally changes; neutralizing the leading psychopathic and auxiliary ponerizing forces included.

All the rest is commentary, it seems... ;)
 
Bear said:
The looting of Ukraine has started. I'm really fearful about what the common person there is going to enduring economically in the future. The country was already in bad shape before the coup.

_http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/ukraine-goes-cyprus-20-tax-deposits-over-100000-hryvnia-appease-imf

Ukraine Goes Cyprus 2.0, To Tax Deposits Over 100,000 Hryvnia (To Appease IMF?)

It would appear the IMF's dirty little fingerprints are all over this latest piece of legislation in Ukraine. The Ukraine Finance Ministry is proposing to take a very-similar-to-Cyprus approach to bailing in its despositors:

•*UKRAINE PROPOSES NEW TAX ON DEPOSITS EXCEEDING 100,000 HRYVNIA
•*UKRAINE TAX PROPOSAL WOULD INCLUDE 1.5% OF ALL DEPOSITS
This would appear a measure designed to stabilize the budget for potential IMF negotiations and fits perfectly with what the IMF has consistently hinted as the next steps for many nations.

This is further to the news last week that a 25% deposit "tax" was being considered...

Via Tax News,
Ukraine's parliament is to consider draft laws which would ban foreign-currency bank deposits and introduce a 25% tax on interest on deposits in banks and other financial institutions in circumstances where the interest received is more than 5% above the rate set by the National Bank of Ukraine.

The proposed amendments to banking and tax legislation were put forward by Yevhen Sihal, who is a member of the country's ruling Party of Regions. In an explanatory note submitted with the drafts, he argued that the higher tax rate will encourage consumer spending, reduce the cost of business loans, and provide extra funding for the country's Pension Fund. Sihal also explained that his tax proposal is based on the experience of the Russian Federation.

Sihal's proposals have united the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) and the country's Communist Party in opposition. The NBU was quoted as saying that it was concerned about the politicization of economic issues, and that its policy was to increase the deposit base in line with international practice, while Communist leader Petro Symonenko suggested that the owners of large deposits will simply move their funds abroad to avoid the tax.

We assume, just as with Cyprus, that the big money has already left the building leaving small businesses and the average joe to foot the IMF-demanding bill (for the good of the country) to get their bailout funds.

That zerohedge's piece is all over the web, but it seems they made mistakes and nobody cared to check it out. The Tax News piece they refer to is dated 07 March 2013 (not 2014). Confirmations:

_http://www.treatypro.com/news/Ukraine_Parliament_To_Consider_25_Deposit_Tax____60033.html
_http://en.for-ua.com/news/2013/03/19/170613.html
_http://uzhgorod.in/en/news/2013/fevral/the_party_of_regions_want_to_introduce_25_tax_on_deposits

The other statement:
"UKRAINE TAX PROPOSAL WOULD INCLUDE 1.5% OF ALL DEPOSITS"
seems to be incorrect either:

_http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/197156.html

Ukrainian finance ministry proposes imposing taxes of interest rates of deposits of over UAH 100,000
21.03.2014

The Finance Ministry of Ukraine has proposed increasing the limit for deposits, on which interest rates taxes will be imposed, from UAH 50,000 to UAH 100,000.

"It is proposed to introduce taxation of incomes of individuals for only 1.5% of holders of large deposits, which size exceeds UAH 100,000, which share of total banking deposits is 70%, that is for rich people," reads a report of the ministry issued on Thursday.

The ministry said that if the total sum of deposits does not exceed UAH 100,000 at one financial institution as of late reporting month, the taxes are not imposed on interest rates. ...

According to the Tax Code, dividends received by individuals are taxed at the rate of 5% (earlier 15%), while interest rates from deposits will be taxed at the same rate – 5% from January 1, 2015.

According to Interfax-Ukraine's information, the finance ministry proposes that taxation of interest rates from banking deposits is introduced from April 1, 2014 at the rates of 15-17%, which are general rates of taxation of incomes of individuals: 15% for persons with monthly income up to 10 minimum wages and 17% - over 10 minimum wages. ...

The source information on the Finance Ministry of Ukraine website (in Ukrainian):
_http://www.minfin.gov.ua/control/uk/publish/article?art_id=397176&cat_id=53608

First paragraph in G-translation:
Today the media is actively discussing the introduction of government taxing deposits. However, we stress that the government did not introduce tax of deposits but only the income from them.

Unless I'm missing something or they're lying on the minfin.gov.ua website...
 
Possibility of Being said:
That zerohedge's piece is all over the web, but it seems they made mistakes and nobody cared to check it out. The Tax News piece they refer to is dated 07 March 2013 (not 2014). Confirmations:

_http://www.treatypro.com/news/Ukraine_Parliament_To_Consider_25_Deposit_Tax____60033.html
_http://en.for-ua.com/news/2013/03/19/170613.html
_http://uzhgorod.in/en/news/2013/fevral/the_party_of_regions_want_to_introduce_25_tax_on_deposits

The other statement:
"UKRAINE TAX PROPOSAL WOULD INCLUDE 1.5% OF ALL DEPOSITS"
seems to be incorrect either:

_http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/197156.html

Ukrainian finance ministry proposes imposing taxes of interest rates of deposits of over UAH 100,000
21.03.2014

The Finance Ministry of Ukraine has proposed increasing the limit for deposits, on which interest rates taxes will be imposed, from UAH 50,000 to UAH 100,000.

"It is proposed to introduce taxation of incomes of individuals for only 1.5% of holders of large deposits, which size exceeds UAH 100,000, which share of total banking deposits is 70%, that is for rich people," reads a report of the ministry issued on Thursday.

The ministry said that if the total sum of deposits does not exceed UAH 100,000 at one financial institution as of late reporting month, the taxes are not imposed on interest rates. ...

According to the Tax Code, dividends received by individuals are taxed at the rate of 5% (earlier 15%), while interest rates from deposits will be taxed at the same rate – 5% from January 1, 2015.

According to Interfax-Ukraine's information, the finance ministry proposes that taxation of interest rates from banking deposits is introduced from April 1, 2014 at the rates of 15-17%, which are general rates of taxation of incomes of individuals: 15% for persons with monthly income up to 10 minimum wages and 17% - over 10 minimum wages. ...

The source information on the Finance Ministry of Ukraine website (in Ukrainian):
_http://www.minfin.gov.ua/control/uk/publish/article?art_id=397176&cat_id=53608

First paragraph in G-translation:
Today the media is actively discussing the introduction of government taxing deposits. However, we stress that the government did not introduce tax of deposits but only the income from them.

Unless I'm missing something or they're lying on the minfin.gov.ua website...

Sorry, I'll be more careful and try to read more closely. I think you are right and that the tax is in on interest income that meets certain requirements. It seems to be much like if you receive a certain amount of dividends from a bank account in the US you have to report it as taxable income and is taxed.
 
Are the new 'temporary' rulers in Kiew ready to ditch their currency and thereby make all ordinary Ukranians pay? No doubt the IMF would approve. There is this article in 'Voice of Russia':
_http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_23/Ukraines-National-Bank-may-get-rid-of-hryvna-to-stuff-regime-coffers-6169/


Ukraine's National Bank may get rid of hryvna to stuff regime coffers


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It seems like the National Bank of Ukraine, guided by Arseniy Yatseniuk’s self-styled government to the radiant future, has come to a decision to do away with the country's national currency hryvna. This is according to a private letter from an employee with Giesecke & Devrient, a Munich-based banknote printing firm, that has recently been leaked to the Web.

An interesting letter appeared in the Internet the other day, in which an employee of the German company Giesecke & Devrient warns their Ukrainian relative about the impending collapse of the Ukrainian financial system.

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Translation:

"Dear Emma,

Mother and I are very worried about you. Is your family all right? How are the kids? Why are you staying away from Skype contacts? Here the media are saying awful things about the Ukraine, we don’t understand anything and the future is vague.

We know that you have a business there but please, for our sake, try to persuade your husband to come and stay with us in Munich at least for a short time. We can send the boys to a local school, fortunately Martha is still teaching, so we won’t have to worry about you. Let us know as soon as you make up your minds. Please, don’t play a waiting game.

In any case, be sure to get rid of hryvnas in cash and convert your bank accounts to euros because it looks like Yatseniuk will soon make the hryvna a useless slip of paper. We had an urgent commission at Giesecke & Devrient from the National Bank of Ukraine to develop a design for a new currency unit. It will have the same name, hryvna, but an absolutely different standard. Actually, it will imitate the euro. We are working at full speed because they want sketches of the notes in a week. I’m afraid that you’ll soon be able to send your current money to a museum.

Your Albert"

Incidentally, Giesecke & Devrient is a rather well-known company developing banknote designs and putting them into production.

This was not the end of it, of course. The woman’s husband appealed to Verkhovna Rada for explanations. Moreover, in addition to his e-mail letter the man posted sketches of new banknotes that his German relative had sent to his wife.

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Verkhovna Rada traditionally ignored the awkward question. But the website of the Lvov Bank posted a warning that due to the changing monetary policy of the National Bank of Ukraine banknotes of the Ukraine’s national currency of old design will not be accepted by bank departments starting with 1 June 2014. Some time later the notification was deleted but a bad aftertaste remained.

Summing up this information, one can claim offhand that the latest national revolution has successfully ended with a banal robbery of ordinary people and huge wealth accumulation by oligarchs. We have a feeling that the hryvna will be disposed of quietly. At least, there is not a word about it in the media, so it would be reasonable to suppose that at a certain moment people will face the need to exchange their hryvnas for the new currency at an extortionate rate. In this way the new government will try to settle the internal debt. We know at whose expense.
 
Corvinus said:
History shows us that Poland was not able to create a strong state alone, and lack of effective cooperation and seeking alliances in the right place, meant that Poland was threw to be devoured.

I would not agree because it was not that simple. It had politicaly strong country(at least when the formal history goes) in certain periods like with kings Bolesław III and Casimir III in medieval ages and others like Ludovic Angevin(Louis I) who ruled Poland and Hungary and Croatia, but you are right in his case that it was not created by Polish but was foreign dynasty. It was independent much of it s history and in the end of 14 century it created Polish–Lithuanian union which was territorialy big and it s Jagiellon dynasty in one period had control over Bohemia and Hungary, Croatia and Ukraine, so it was in no way weak but strong. In the beginning of 17 century it also conquered Moscow. Under Jan III Sobieski in 1683 Polish forces played a major part in relieving Vienna of a Turkish siege which was being conducted by Kara Mustafa in hope of eventually marching his troops further into Europe to spread Islam. Sobieski's reign marked the end of the nation's golden-era. Soon, finding itself subjected to almost constant warfare and suffering enormous population losses as well as massive damage to its economy, the Commonwealth fell into decline. The government became ineffective as a result of large scale internal conflicts thanks to high nobility and weak kings from saxon dynasty.

Rzeczpospolita ultimately failed. In my interpratation Polish expansion to the east was a shame. Instead of seeking friendship and cooperation with other slavs they chose to go there for aggressive wars. Empires rise and empires fall. This is what happened to the Rzeczpospolita.

Corvinus said:
So when the first partition came it could really not do anything weaken like that and sourranded by three empires - Habsburgs, Russia and Prussia, it had nothing to do with alliances because those countries then were it s neighbours so it was naturaly area to which they wanted to expand seeing easy prey, it was more matter of being in the wrong place at wrong time, and no country could go against three big empires. Only France was sympathetic but France had it s colonial struggle with Britain that was also Habsburg ally, so even if it helped little it could do against mentioned trio plus Britain so it was evading any alliance with Poles. That is why Napoleon gave them Duchy of Warsaw because they wanted country back(and he needed troops which he got that way knowing their disdain against trio that were his enemies) and many Poles joined his troops and formed the largest foreign contingent in his invasion of Russia. Russia was saved by winter and scorched earth tactics and we know the rest.

I think that we can't say "wrong place at wrong time" in relation to the State. The condition of the country and the relationship with neighbors, it is no coincidence or bad fate. Poles "owe" much to theirs "achievements." How otherwise might look the position of Poland if they would be in friendship with Russia for example.

Napoleon's political treatments was aimed to obtaining cannon fodder to fight against Russia. And it was another failure, this time alongside with Napoleon.
 
I think that we can't say "wrong place at wrong time" in relation to the State. The condition of the country and the relationship with neighbors, it is no coincidence or bad fate.

If one thing was different everything would be different, it was normal thing those days to seek expansion against it s neighbours, what can you expect from ruling psychopathy. Austria and Prussia were warring against each other also like other countries but when that predatory instinct comes into play seeing a chance(weak country at their dorstep, Germans were always expansionists through history)they can take they were quick to seize it. Alliances were fragile in those days and were changing very often depending which interests prevailed.

How otherwise might look the position of Poland if they would be in friendship with Russia for example.

I agree that things could been different if they did not invade weak Russia in that time (and seeked alliance but then Russia was far away from what it later became, it is easy to conclude what was best solution from here but then there was no time travel, even if there was greed is a sicknes, and ruling psychopathy of country does not share common idea among some people of pan-slavism if not in their interest) and when the civil war was there when communist revolution broke up after WWI, not just that but they took also some german territories and commited crimes against german people, so no wonder Stalin and Hitler decided to divide it, but would divided it anyway because of their expansionist policy. They underestimated those two big countries thinking they were weak now and using the opportunity and revenge. They were counting on France and Britain that did nothing and they are like then counting on US and EU that only want missle shield there, so if something happens the Polish would be first to burn like those little Baltic states. History repeats itself in a way on national level thanks to some decisions made through history by leadership that caused hate and mistrust today.

I would not count on to much either on alliances of other empires, even if things took different turn in relation to Russia nothing was guaranteed because back-stabbing was the norm then and is today when it comes to west.
 
Yozilla said:
Serg said:
Perceval said:
Serg said:
_http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/197182.html
I don't get it, can 'our government' sign this agreement whithout referendum?
They can do what they want since they are an unelected gang of US and EU puppets mixed with right wing nut jobs. They were not elected by the Ukrainian people and therefore they do not need to consult the Ukrainian people when making decisions about the Ukrainian people's future. See?
I didn't make myself clear. I meant, if any country (in this case Ukraine) sign such agreement, without referendum been made according to the law. And can EU, according to the law, sign such agreement with a country without referendum been made in this country in order to see how much people of this country want so, at least to some extent.(of course the data would be falsified )
I fully understand that the current government of Ukraine is illegitimate. (That's why i put 'our government' in quotes) It means that any decision they make - would be illegitimate. They say that they were elected by the people of Maidan, but what percentage of the population of Ukraine are the people that were in the Maidan. When i was there - there were maximum few thousands of people. (It was 2 days before the 18th of February, before so-called 'cleaning up operation' by Berkut of the Maidan began) Even if there were 1 million of people, and if 35millions of the 45 million of Ukraine population vote, it is far away from majority.
Referendum is needed only for "full" EU membership at the end - when it's all over. This is just a first step (some kind of contract) towards that goal.

It depends on the constitution and laws of particular country, but probably, as Yozilla said, referendum is not needed for this kind of agreements. At least that was the case with Croatia, when it "prepared" itself to be assimilated into EU.
If Ukraine's interim government is gonna act as a legit government, which it is not, but that's another pair of shoes, then most probably it can sign most of bilateral contracts and agreements with whoever it wants to. The referendum would be needed when changing the constitution, constitutional laws or something "big" like that (except for example Switzerland where they have referendums for all sorts of "minor" things).

As a side note, Dodik, the president of Republic of Srpska, Serbian entity in Bosnia and Herzegowina, announced earlier today that RoS could follow Crimean scenario. The difference is though, that apparently it hasn't got such a support in Serbia itself, since Serbian government wants to "join" EU in near future.
_http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1-239859-Crimea-spurs-breakaway-threats-by-Bosnian-Serbs
_http://danas.net.hr/hrvatska/je-li-republika-srpska-novi-krim (in Croatian, but has a nice map of B&H and RoS)
 
Political rumours or facts? According to _http://www.iarex.ru/interviews/46379.html and _http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/formerussr/ukraine/20-03-2014/1200946-poland-0/ which is further discussed _http://www.iarex.ru/interviews/46379.html from where I got

Arseniy Yatsenyuk is negotiating the transfer to Poland of three Galician oblasts by the end of 2014, according to insiders from the circle of Yulia Tymoshenko
Originals are in Russian and I adapted from http://translate.yandex.ru/

The articles mention that Yatsenyuk is fed up with the right wing voices of the like of Yarose and Muzychko and is looking for a way to sideline them. As was shown on a map some pages back in this thread, the rightwing forces are especially strong in Western Ukraine.
 
Corvinus said:
I think that we can't say "wrong place at wrong time" in relation to the State. The condition of the country and the relationship with neighbors, it is no coincidence or bad fate.

If one thing was different everything would be different, it was normal thing those days to seek expansion against it s neighbours, what can you expect from ruling psychopathy. Austria and Prussia were warring against each other also like other countries but when that predatory instinct comes into play seeing a chance(weak country at their dorstep, Germans were always expansionists through history)they can take they were quick to seize it. Alliances were fragile in those days and were changing very often depending which interests prevailed.

Well, I think it is not really important what I expect. I just want to reminding and criticize bad decisions as I see it from my point of view. Much of what has been done was done under the influence of psychopaths I am aware of it. In particular, I think that it is indeed worthy of condemnation.

How otherwise might look the position of Poland if they would be in friendship with Russia for example.
Corvinus said:
I agree that things could been different if they did not invade weak Russia in that time (and seeked alliance but then Russia was far away from what it later became, it is easy to conclude what was best solution from here but then there was no time travel, even if there was greed is a sicknes, and ruling psychopathy of country does not share common idea among some people of pan-slavism if not in their interest) and when the civil war was there when communist revolution broke up after WWI, not just that but they took also some german territories and commited crimes against german people, so no wonder Stalin and Hitler decided to divide it, but would divided it anyway because of their expansionist policy. They underestimated those two big countries thinking they were weak now and using the opportunity and revenge. They were counting on France and Britain that did nothing and they are like then counting on US and EU that only want missle shield there, so if something happens the Polish would be first to burn like those little Baltic states. History repeats itself in a way on national level thanks to some decisions made through history by leadership that caused hate and mistrust today.

As I said above. And, ideologies about the power and uniqueness of the Polish nation lead to ultra-nationalism. This is what brings misery. I do not think that Polish ancestors must had a time machine to recognize their probably situation in the international arena in the future. But as you said that pathological ruler chose to expand to the east like Russia and it was something normal then but does not change the fact that people bought and it was acquiescence to pathology and turned out to be wrong for whole country.

Before The II World War, I remember from history that Poland was too busy thinking about be the super-power. When the war was close, instead of looking for friendship with the Czechoslovakia (also Slavs), the Polish government had the satisfaction to seizure Zaolzie (Olsa-Gebiet) instead of looking for alliance to oppose Hitler.

Corvinus said:
I would not count on to much either on alliances of other empires, even if things took different turn in relation to Russia nothing was guaranteed because back-stabbing was the norm then and is today when it comes to west.

I think that Poland meet Russia again anyway whether Russian will be "good guys" or "bad guys." All Slavic nations should get to know each other, get to know their language, and so on. If people want to unification in the global term, the unification of several nations are already a some step forward.
 
There is also an offer made by Putin directly to Romania, saying:
"We are not against Romania to participate in the South Stream project. Yet I have another offer for Romania, an offer that is hard to refuse. Please tell that to President Basescu. We are ready to sell Russian gas directly to ROMGAZ all covering Ukraine needs a year and then sell it to Ukraine. Is it a good offer? ", Vladimir Putin

The source comes from a romanian news site, and the continuation of the article is this:

Now that Europe has chills, the Prime Minister of Moscow wants to provide us without intermediaries, with new, Russian gas and for us to deliver it. Basically, we would have our hand on the valve supplying Ukraine with which we are in process to delimit the continental shelf, where there are major gas fields.

Putin wants to draw us in the South Stream project - alternative to "Nabucco" pipeline, just trying to bypass Moscow, and we, the partners.

Romania has the chance to purchase gas directly from Gazprom, without intermediaries now . In addition, Russian Prime Minister seems willing to make our country a major player in Europe's energy map. Russia seems willing, at least in word, to sell to our country Ukraine's entire gas volume that Romania could resell it later to Kiev at what price it wants. Suddenly, Putin became interested in the Romanian industry.

"The whole industry of Romania can not compete with that of Ukraine, Kiev buys gas as long as $250(per 1000 cubic meters), while Romania pays 470 dollars per thousand cubic meters", said Russian Prime Minister .

Putin 's statements come after the phone call that he had a few days ago with President Traian Basescu.

"The Romanian President asked me to buy gas without intermediaries, in a phone conversation. I agreed to bear direct talks between the companies", said Putin.

"When we have a clear and precise thing on this topic, we will immediately inform public opinion", said Emil Boc , Romanian Prime Minister

But now the Bucharest authorities did not offer a response to Vladimir Putin. Up to this time the President has refrained from any comment on the Russian declaration .

source:
http://stirileprotv.ro/stiri/economie/putin-oferteaza-direct-romania.html
 
About the possibility to split Ukraine there is more:
_http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_24/Russian-Liberal-Democrats-urge-Poland-Romania-Hungary-to-consider-referenda-in-areas-bordering-Ukraine-5527/ said:
Russian Liberal Democrats urge Poland, Romania, Hungary to consider referenda in areas bordering Ukraine
24 March 2014, 12:55
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© Photo: en.wikipedia.org

The Russian Liberal Democrats’ press service told the Interfax news agency earlier this Monday that the party has indeed suggested holding such referendums, as well as suggested that these countries ensure the holding of such referendums in a number of Ukraine's areas that were earlier part of the countries in question.

Meanwhile, the Liberal Democratic Party has posted an article on its official website claiming the expediency of recalling the history of creating the Ukrainian state.

According to the publication, the effort resulted in bringing together in the same area the peoples that are absolutely incompatible psychologically and at feud with each other for centuries.

The Liberal Democratic Party points out that to make themselves and their allies safe on the eve of the Great Patriotic War, the leadership of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic was compelled to include in the USSR a part of Bessarabia, which was then Romanian territory and is now Chernovtsy Region of Ukraine.

The Liberal Democrats point out, besides, that the Soviet Union also acted to include a number of originally Polish lands out of geopolitical considerations, namely Volhynia, Lvov, Ternopol, Ivano-Frankovsk and Rovno Regions.

The Liberal Democrats point out that the lands in question had always been part of Poland.

Another graphic example is the Transcarpathia Region, which is related to Hungary historically and ethnically.

The issue is now whether it is possible to return the Chernovtsy Region to Romania, the Transcarpathia Region to Hungary, and the five currently Ukrainian but formerly Polish regions, - Volhynia, Lvov, Ternopol, Ivano-Frankovsk and Rovno, to Poland.

The Liberal Democratic Party leader Vladimir Zhirinovksy made a similar suggestion earlier, during the March 18th full-scale meeting of the Russian Duma.

"It is high time the Russian lands returned to Russia, which is natural, but it is also fair for Poland, Romania and Hungary to get their respective lands in Western Ukraine back to them," the Liberal Democrats' leader said then.

Voice of Russia, Interfax
 
thorbiorn said:
About the possibility to split Ukraine there is more:
_http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_24/Russian-Liberal-Democrats-urge-Poland-Romania-Hungary-to-consider-referenda-in-areas-bordering-Ukraine-5527/ said:
Russian Liberal Democrats urge Poland, Romania, Hungary to consider referenda in areas bordering Ukraine
24 March 2014, 12:55
9Ukr.oblas..jpg

© Photo: en.wikipedia.org

The Russian Liberal Democrats’ press service told the Interfax news agency earlier this Monday that the party has indeed suggested holding such referendums, as well as suggested that these countries ensure the holding of such referendums in a number of Ukraine's areas that were earlier part of the countries in question.

Meanwhile, the Liberal Democratic Party has posted an article on its official website claiming the expediency of recalling the history of creating the Ukrainian state.

According to the publication, the effort resulted in bringing together in the same area the peoples that are absolutely incompatible psychologically and at feud with each other for centuries.

The Liberal Democratic Party points out that to make themselves and their allies safe on the eve of the Great Patriotic War, the leadership of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic was compelled to include in the USSR a part of Bessarabia, which was then Romanian territory and is now Chernovtsy Region of Ukraine.

The Liberal Democrats point out, besides, that the Soviet Union also acted to include a number of originally Polish lands out of geopolitical considerations, namely Volhynia, Lvov, Ternopol, Ivano-Frankovsk and Rovno Regions.

The Liberal Democrats point out that the lands in question had always been part of Poland.

Another graphic example is the Transcarpathia Region, which is related to Hungary historically and ethnically.

The issue is now whether it is possible to return the Chernovtsy Region to Romania, the Transcarpathia Region to Hungary, and the five currently Ukrainian but formerly Polish regions, - Volhynia, Lvov, Ternopol, Ivano-Frankovsk and Rovno, to Poland.

The Liberal Democratic Party leader Vladimir Zhirinovksy made a similar suggestion earlier, during the March 18th full-scale meeting of the Russian Duma.

"It is high time the Russian lands returned to Russia, which is natural, but it is also fair for Poland, Romania and Hungary to get their respective lands in Western Ukraine back to them," the Liberal Democrats' leader said then.

Voice of Russia, Interfax

Vladimir Zhirinovksy has always been a weird person, to say the least. I usually don't waste my time listening to his eccentric ideas. One can find a lot of scandalous news involving Mr. Zhirinovksy like fighting people, including women, at Duma sessions, etc. (See his 'best public fights' at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pghilRQVG4I).

However, this person is a leader of a 3rd largest party in Russia, which is rather disturbing..
 
thorbiorn said:
About the possibility to split Ukraine there is more:
_http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_24/Russian-Liberal-Democrats-urge-Poland-Romania-Hungary-to-consider-referenda-in-areas-bordering-Ukraine-5527/ said:
Russian Liberal Democrats urge Poland, Romania, Hungary to consider referenda in areas bordering Ukraine
24 March 2014, 12:55
9Ukr.oblas..jpg

© Photo: en.wikipedia.org

The Russian Liberal Democrats’ press service told the Interfax news agency earlier this Monday that the party has indeed suggested holding such referendums, as well as suggested that these countries ensure the holding of such referendums in a number of Ukraine's areas that were earlier part of the countries in question.

Meanwhile, the Liberal Democratic Party has posted an article on its official website claiming the expediency of recalling the history of creating the Ukrainian state.

According to the publication, the effort resulted in bringing together in the same area the peoples that are absolutely incompatible psychologically and at feud with each other for centuries.

The Liberal Democratic Party points out that to make themselves and their allies safe on the eve of the Great Patriotic War, the leadership of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic was compelled to include in the USSR a part of Bessarabia, which was then Romanian territory and is now Chernovtsy Region of Ukraine.

The Liberal Democrats point out, besides, that the Soviet Union also acted to include a number of originally Polish lands out of geopolitical considerations, namely Volhynia, Lvov, Ternopol, Ivano-Frankovsk and Rovno Regions.

The Liberal Democrats point out that the lands in question had always been part of Poland.

Another graphic example is the Transcarpathia Region, which is related to Hungary historically and ethnically.

The issue is now whether it is possible to return the Chernovtsy Region to Romania, the Transcarpathia Region to Hungary, and the five currently Ukrainian but formerly Polish regions, - Volhynia, Lvov, Ternopol, Ivano-Frankovsk and Rovno, to Poland.

The Liberal Democratic Party leader Vladimir Zhirinovksy made a similar suggestion earlier, during the March 18th full-scale meeting of the Russian Duma.

"It is high time the Russian lands returned to Russia, which is natural, but it is also fair for Poland, Romania and Hungary to get their respective lands in Western Ukraine back to them," the Liberal Democrats' leader said then.

Voice of Russia, Interfax

Wow, that could be something big for Romania, the romanians are fighting for a long time to restore the country to its original size. Here is a picture with an map of Romania before having Basarabia(Bessarabia) taken:
harta+Romaniei+Mari.jpg


EDIT:
I've decided to check a documentary about the Republic of Moldova, just as an insight about what is there. There is no google street view made in the Republic, and I found this 24 min video with english subtitles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFrudAZO2wY
 
Check this video of Yatsenyuk flip-flopping about like a fish out of water. Here's the intro: "Ukraine's interim Prime Minister has admitted his chances of staying in power beyond the next election are slim. Tax hikes and mishandling of relations with Russia, have dealt a blow to Arseniy Yatsenyuk's authority. And for many, it's becoming increasingly difficult to navigate the twists and turns in his policies, as RT's Marina Kosareva explains..."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q2_oE7Kbrio




ADDED: since we're on the topic of Western-engineered Coup d'État & related topics, I just saw this on SOTT http://www.amazon.co.uk/Manufactured-Terror-Marathon-Bombings-Shooting-ebook/dp/B00J3XXS7C/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1395677886&sr=1-1 (that's £3.12!!, $4.99!! talk about affordable pricing!!!)
 
I've found this article:

http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/ukraine/57830/why-are-polish-men-london-getting-military-call-papers

NEXT time you take a tray of tea and custard creams to the nice gang of Polish builders renovating your semi, they may seem a little distracted and anxious. Ask them why, and they will answer that some of them have in the last few weeks received call-up papers as army reservists.

This happened to a friend of mine in London at the end of last week. At least 7,000 reservists have been recalled to the colours for immediate exercises lasting between 10 and 30 days.

They’re told by the Polish authorities that the call-ups are “routine”: but the men say they haven’t been asked before and they’re well aware of the growing alarm in Warsaw at President Putin’s aggression. Three weeks ago, their Prime Minister, Donald Tusk, called a press conference to warn that “the world stands on the brink of conflict, the consequences of which are not foreseen… Not everyone in Europe is aware of this situation.”

This is just a part of the article.

And also this one: "Time to grab guns and kill damn Russians – Tymoshenko in leaked tape"
http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/
EDIT: RT link added
 
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