So you decided to continue with you "concern trolling" and nit picking, eh Antony. I'm not going to give you the benefit of the doubt at this point because all your nit picking is either deliberately missing the point, and you ARE a conscious disinformation agent or you are one of the most effective types of agents, the one who believes at least most of what he spews and the rest is Right Man Syndrome and/or relief from cognitive dissonance, but at this point I'm having to lean to deliberate disinformation troll, bent on using nit picking and concern trolling with abandon. Also, notice I didn't comment at all on Serdukov and the minutia you are trying to leverage, because again, that COMPLETELY avoids the point - the CRUX of the matter I DID discuss. So, sorry, no, I didn't "pick that up and use it against you", I made clear WHAT were the crucial points against your spin, but nice try.
Sorry, but this kind of transparent manipulation ain't gonna fly. You make the same kind of manipulative twisting of every issue to obfuscate the crux of the matter, see? All the weapons concern trolling is transparently a way of utilizing paramoralisms and paralogical argumentation (pretty much arguing for arguments sake at this point, because you're not succeeding in muddying the waters enough). But the "weak tea" points you are attempting to make only highlights what I'm getting at. This old Soviet technology is still needed by the vaunted US in the case of rocket engines. How to explain THAT? Why the increasing crashes of space rockets and many related things have been discussed in the context of the earth changes and Cosmic environment on this forum, on SOTT, and in books published by Laura and Pierre L., etc., so we already have a good idea of "what it tells us," so to keep it short and to the point: the crux of the matter here in your twisting and spinning and nit picking argument is that the main enemy can't/doesn't even use THEIR old platforms to use THEIR own rocket engines. What does THAT tell YOU? They have to rely on unreliable rocket engines from Russia that are increasingly crashing at an alarming rate. THAT has to be addressed as the US is the main driver behind the hostility toward Russia, and the main military threat who is so superior to the flounder Russia is the point you've been desperately trying to make.
As you "complimented" Siberia about her post, the CRUX of the matter was that no one needs to or does reinvent the wheel when new generation technology of many kinds come into being. Whether it's cars or computers, this is the standard way newer models and/or "generations" of them are based on the previous versions - THAT is the point that matters in the overall discussion. When was the internal combustion engine invented? What do current cars predominantly use as their engines? You see how your concern trolling, nit picking and applying multiple standards are just meant to muddy the waters and confuse the issues so we can't get to the crux of the matter? I do. But you should also see that you're not fooling anyone here, it's too transparent.
Same with the Georgia war spin. So Putin just "enjoyed" the Olympics in China while, luckily, the military commanders saved the day. You see, this is another ineffective way of trying to spin the whole thing to suit your agenda because it obstinately misses the point - even if we stretch our credulity enough to concede that Putin was twiddling his thumbs in China mesmerized by the Olympic Games. So the military commanders of Russian turned the situation around and won the war STARTED by the Georgian proxies' attack on South Ossetia killing, injuring and terrorizing the civilians there (having attacked the Russian peace keepers first). But very important aspects are obfuscated here again in a very obvious way.
NATO, US, Israel not only trained, armed, and funded Georgia for this war, they had their personnel and "mercs" on the ground during Georgia's attack - so it was a proxy war in its fullest meaning. And Russia beat them and they quickly retreated. There are videos of the retreat where you see the foreign military troops. So the Russian military commanders took matters into their own hands while Putin was sleepwalking in China is the way you want to present this? The problem here is that Putin is VERY close to the military, security, and intelligence apparatus, so this is really stretching credulity, not to mention how Putin has operated to outmaneuver the Anglo-Zionist cabal's moves using exactly these institutions to do so (including how he came to power under the radar before being elected by the Russian people). So this is just a thinly disguised attempt at diminishing Putin, and not only portraying him as being corrupt, which is difficult enough to do and has been tried in many ways, but also incompetent and oblivious. This is getting into somewhat new, desperate territory.
So just for the amusement of it, let's pretend that this is even remotely possible. Why didn't the Empire's chances INCREASE to win the war under such circumstances. Or why haven't US/NATO commanders won any of the conflicts this way no matter what their corrupt and incompetent civilian political leaders were up to? They've lost every war THEY have started since WWII - mostly against ragtag armies or fighters. THAT is the crux of the matter, clumsily being avoided here, no matter how much concern trolling and spinning is piled on. Because, again, THAT is what matters in relation to the two main enemies facing off, see?
And the final and ultimate of this type of manipulative concern trolling is the now obligatory Ukraine situation and the "total betrayal" of the 'pro-Russian fighter" meme; and in this case, somewhat sneakily linked to the Georgia war spin in the previous sentence of how that picture of courage and fierce opponent, GW Bush, ordered our cowardly Putin to "halt the offensive", which Putin shaking in his boots, of course, immediately obeyed (because Putin REALLY wanted to occupy Tiblisi, rather than just disarm Georgia and neutralize their threat to Russia's immediate interests, but Bush put him in his place, see?
). What a pitiful "victory" for Putin and Russia, and what a glorious way to show who's boss by Bush (because Bush, as we all know, made all decisions and was on top of everything while Putin was bumbling around in China as the conflict began).
This Ukraine situation, where "pro-Russian" fighters are supposed to have been betrayed in the moment of their greatest victories, going on the offensive, has become the trademark of this kind of concern trolling and manipulation. It is a spin-off of the earlier demand that Russia should have come into the Ukraine militarily immediately - escalating the conflict in this particular case with all negative consequences for all concerned in Ukraine, Donetsk and Lugansk - get this, to REDUCE the death and destruction. But alas Putin and Russia betrayed the ethnic Russians in Donbas and beyond. This would certainly be a reckless move worthy of the Empire, escalating an already very dangerous situation, and besides bringing the threat of, at least, a regional explosion of destabilization, would have certainly INCREASED overall casualties all around in Ukraine, while the pretext used to justify this move would be to REDUCE same. This doesn't even take into consideration
how Russia operates/what her stance is during the Putin era in terms of invading and occupying other countries, etc. (just as in the case of Georgia, not going to Tiblisi mentioned just previously by Antony to muddy the waters some more) - just the "humanitarian" demands angle.
So, "fellow truth seekers", how is that for the now typical methods of this kind of "concern trolling" and manipulation? Is this "how to avoid the crux of the matter 101"?
Sorry, but this kind of transparent manipulation ain't gonna fly. You make the same kind of manipulative twisting of every issue to obfuscate the crux of the matter, see? All the weapons concern trolling is transparently a way of utilizing paramoralisms and paralogical argumentation (pretty much arguing for arguments sake at this point, because you're not succeeding in muddying the waters enough). But the "weak tea" points you are attempting to make only highlights what I'm getting at. This old Soviet technology is still needed by the vaunted US in the case of rocket engines. How to explain THAT? Why the increasing crashes of space rockets and many related things have been discussed in the context of the earth changes and Cosmic environment on this forum, on SOTT, and in books published by Laura and Pierre L., etc., so we already have a good idea of "what it tells us," so to keep it short and to the point: the crux of the matter here in your twisting and spinning and nit picking argument is that the main enemy can't/doesn't even use THEIR old platforms to use THEIR own rocket engines. What does THAT tell YOU? They have to rely on unreliable rocket engines from Russia that are increasingly crashing at an alarming rate. THAT has to be addressed as the US is the main driver behind the hostility toward Russia, and the main military threat who is so superior to the flounder Russia is the point you've been desperately trying to make.
As you "complimented" Siberia about her post, the CRUX of the matter was that no one needs to or does reinvent the wheel when new generation technology of many kinds come into being. Whether it's cars or computers, this is the standard way newer models and/or "generations" of them are based on the previous versions - THAT is the point that matters in the overall discussion. When was the internal combustion engine invented? What do current cars predominantly use as their engines? You see how your concern trolling, nit picking and applying multiple standards are just meant to muddy the waters and confuse the issues so we can't get to the crux of the matter? I do. But you should also see that you're not fooling anyone here, it's too transparent.
Same with the Georgia war spin. So Putin just "enjoyed" the Olympics in China while, luckily, the military commanders saved the day. You see, this is another ineffective way of trying to spin the whole thing to suit your agenda because it obstinately misses the point - even if we stretch our credulity enough to concede that Putin was twiddling his thumbs in China mesmerized by the Olympic Games. So the military commanders of Russian turned the situation around and won the war STARTED by the Georgian proxies' attack on South Ossetia killing, injuring and terrorizing the civilians there (having attacked the Russian peace keepers first). But very important aspects are obfuscated here again in a very obvious way.
NATO, US, Israel not only trained, armed, and funded Georgia for this war, they had their personnel and "mercs" on the ground during Georgia's attack - so it was a proxy war in its fullest meaning. And Russia beat them and they quickly retreated. There are videos of the retreat where you see the foreign military troops. So the Russian military commanders took matters into their own hands while Putin was sleepwalking in China is the way you want to present this? The problem here is that Putin is VERY close to the military, security, and intelligence apparatus, so this is really stretching credulity, not to mention how Putin has operated to outmaneuver the Anglo-Zionist cabal's moves using exactly these institutions to do so (including how he came to power under the radar before being elected by the Russian people). So this is just a thinly disguised attempt at diminishing Putin, and not only portraying him as being corrupt, which is difficult enough to do and has been tried in many ways, but also incompetent and oblivious. This is getting into somewhat new, desperate territory.
So just for the amusement of it, let's pretend that this is even remotely possible. Why didn't the Empire's chances INCREASE to win the war under such circumstances. Or why haven't US/NATO commanders won any of the conflicts this way no matter what their corrupt and incompetent civilian political leaders were up to? They've lost every war THEY have started since WWII - mostly against ragtag armies or fighters. THAT is the crux of the matter, clumsily being avoided here, no matter how much concern trolling and spinning is piled on. Because, again, THAT is what matters in relation to the two main enemies facing off, see?
And the final and ultimate of this type of manipulative concern trolling is the now obligatory Ukraine situation and the "total betrayal" of the 'pro-Russian fighter" meme; and in this case, somewhat sneakily linked to the Georgia war spin in the previous sentence of how that picture of courage and fierce opponent, GW Bush, ordered our cowardly Putin to "halt the offensive", which Putin shaking in his boots, of course, immediately obeyed (because Putin REALLY wanted to occupy Tiblisi, rather than just disarm Georgia and neutralize their threat to Russia's immediate interests, but Bush put him in his place, see?
). What a pitiful "victory" for Putin and Russia, and what a glorious way to show who's boss by Bush (because Bush, as we all know, made all decisions and was on top of everything while Putin was bumbling around in China as the conflict began).This Ukraine situation, where "pro-Russian" fighters are supposed to have been betrayed in the moment of their greatest victories, going on the offensive, has become the trademark of this kind of concern trolling and manipulation. It is a spin-off of the earlier demand that Russia should have come into the Ukraine militarily immediately - escalating the conflict in this particular case with all negative consequences for all concerned in Ukraine, Donetsk and Lugansk - get this, to REDUCE the death and destruction. But alas Putin and Russia betrayed the ethnic Russians in Donbas and beyond. This would certainly be a reckless move worthy of the Empire, escalating an already very dangerous situation, and besides bringing the threat of, at least, a regional explosion of destabilization, would have certainly INCREASED overall casualties all around in Ukraine, while the pretext used to justify this move would be to REDUCE same. This doesn't even take into consideration
how Russia operates/what her stance is during the Putin era in terms of invading and occupying other countries, etc. (just as in the case of Georgia, not going to Tiblisi mentioned just previously by Antony to muddy the waters some more) - just the "humanitarian" demands angle.
So, "fellow truth seekers", how is that for the now typical methods of this kind of "concern trolling" and manipulation? Is this "how to avoid the crux of the matter 101"?
