Role of Russia
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Antony
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Kniall - that's what makes me curious. That's why I asked a question - is the nowadays US/EU/NATO vs Russia campaign the real clash of "antipodes" or demonstrative fighting between different clans of the world government - as Cs said "show" to distract people from the forthcoming earth events.
Laura-just finished watching it. From the surface it looks good. I will divide it by parts:
1) resources - indeed most of the companies were returned. I think that the logical reason behind it - the economy/government needs money for functioning. Especially when no other income was left.
Now there is an interesting system of selling oil for example. Major part of it's export is/was (sanctions intervened) conducted through a middle company called Gunvor (famous now friend Timchenko's asset (he sold it just hours before first hours of sanctions) - the office has 40 people in Geneve with an annual turnover of around 40 billion dollars!) . Why key country's resource is sold through some shadow intermediary- his friend? Similar system applied to Russia-Ukraine trade of gas (before coup occurred) with intermediary Rosukrenergo established by oligarchs from both sides. Other question country's strategic interests wise why not sell petrol (more value added) instead of crude oil like Belorussia does? it requires investment nobody want's to make.
Another example- we are selling raw forest. Couple of years ago Duma wanted to ban it's export in raw form (because now we sell it to for eg. to Finland and buy it back in processed form such as furniture thus loosing a lot of budget's revenue). Putin put veto on Duma's proposal.
2) defense and weaponry. Just a couple of facts - vast majority of military tech now was developed in USSR. It was modernized many times but still it is not Russia's created. We are now very much dependant on western elementary base and components. To rebuild our own production base requires lot's of money, qualified stuff (which we do not have anymore thanks to Fursenko) and time which we do not have. Chinese substitutes are highly questionable. But generally speaking of course weapons are sold well as any other resource for dollars. Another small example - heavy intercontinental ballistics missile mobile train complex (called Molodets, for the US a most frightening weapon) was destroyed without any obligation on our part and no counter move from US. The were happy to tears!
3) Concerning mentioned in the film restored economy spheres - I will give the stats tomorrow, but some I strongly doubt straight away about machinery and textile - we have Chinese pants and socks. For the rich - Armani and D&G !
4) assassination attempt - did not know about it.
5) Litvenenko - it is the same as other provocation's false flag style operation as MH17. que bono - doesn't work for Russia. There is no Stalin now to send a killer to Mexico and eliminate Trotsky.
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I will finish tomorrow.
Laura-just finished watching it. From the surface it looks good. I will divide it by parts:
1) resources - indeed most of the companies were returned. I think that the logical reason behind it - the economy/government needs money for functioning. Especially when no other income was left.
Now there is an interesting system of selling oil for example. Major part of it's export is/was (sanctions intervened) conducted through a middle company called Gunvor (famous now friend Timchenko's asset (he sold it just hours before first hours of sanctions) - the office has 40 people in Geneve with an annual turnover of around 40 billion dollars!) . Why key country's resource is sold through some shadow intermediary- his friend? Similar system applied to Russia-Ukraine trade of gas (before coup occurred) with intermediary Rosukrenergo established by oligarchs from both sides. Other question country's strategic interests wise why not sell petrol (more value added) instead of crude oil like Belorussia does? it requires investment nobody want's to make.
Another example- we are selling raw forest. Couple of years ago Duma wanted to ban it's export in raw form (because now we sell it to for eg. to Finland and buy it back in processed form such as furniture thus loosing a lot of budget's revenue). Putin put veto on Duma's proposal.
2) defense and weaponry. Just a couple of facts - vast majority of military tech now was developed in USSR. It was modernized many times but still it is not Russia's created. We are now very much dependant on western elementary base and components. To rebuild our own production base requires lot's of money, qualified stuff (which we do not have anymore thanks to Fursenko) and time which we do not have. Chinese substitutes are highly questionable. But generally speaking of course weapons are sold well as any other resource for dollars. Another small example - heavy intercontinental ballistics missile mobile train complex (called Molodets, for the US a most frightening weapon) was destroyed without any obligation on our part and no counter move from US. The were happy to tears!
3) Concerning mentioned in the film restored economy spheres - I will give the stats tomorrow, but some I strongly doubt straight away about machinery and textile - we have Chinese pants and socks. For the rich - Armani and D&G !
4) assassination attempt - did not know about it.
5) Litvenenko - it is the same as other provocation's false flag style operation as MH17. que bono - doesn't work for Russia. There is no Stalin now to send a killer to Mexico and eliminate Trotsky.
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I will finish tomorrow.
Minas Tirith
Jedi Council Member
Antony said:
I am having similar thoughts here.
There are loads of "bad guys", but does there always have to be a "good guy"?
Is it difficult to acknowledge that both sides are equally corrupted, because that means there is truly nobody to turn to and place one's hopes in?
M.T.
happyliza said:
The idea is to think before posting and keep the level of the noise down. After all, this kind of silly speculation/deduction is no different, than the cartoon I posted earlier on this thread.
Minas Tirith said:
Ever seen Candid Camera? It's entirely possible to be Putin' on a show and be entirely unaware. In this sense, the C's 'show' comment could have been referring to the West being manipulated by 4D STS to cause political turmoil that would require the attention of Russia and others, so as to distract both those governments with leaders of conscience as well as the masses from earth changes. OSIT.
Nević Nenad
The Living Force
Minas Tirith said:
But, we are not seeing Russia doing wars all around. We are not seeing cops in Russia killing Russian citizens on a daily basis. We are not seeing Russian drones killing people all around the world. We are not seeing Russian soldiers pissing on dead bodies of any other nation soldiers.We are not seeing animals in Russian zoos killed and butchered for no reason in front of the children. We are not seeing Russian movies spiting on all that is not Russian. We are not seeing Russian state imposing sanction on other countries and demanding of them to gave all they have.
We are seeing Russian citizens living better than ten years ago. We are seeing Russian citizens traveling around the world and Europe like never before (and like no any other European country citizens at the moment). We are seeing Russian people seeing themselves as brothers (maybe not in a big degree, but that is nonexistent in any western country, for example) We are seeing Chechnya restored and looking like normal country, and Chechens and Russians as friends (just imagine how would Chechnya look today if they had business with the USA! Iraq? Afghanistan?). We are seeing Russia sending help to any country in need and which asks WITHOUT ASKING ANY FAVOR RETURNED!
Why I am thinking like this, I already wrote in my post on the first page on this thread.
Things are not black and white, but they are COMPLETELY BLACK in the USA and the western Europe (no mater how unbelievable that could look, they are), and Russia is, how Perceval already wrote it "in shades of gray" (although maybe I am seeing some more colors :) ). I know that it is maybe difficult for some people to accept that we are living probably in the darkest moment in entire human history. Especially for the people from the western countries, but it is not about financial wealth and material possessions and "easiness" of life, it is about what you see and what you think. In all of that I see Russia under Putin as a little ray of light, really faint, but better anything than nothing.
Lumiere_du_Code
Jedi Council Member
Keit said:
see it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Lay2WFvNU
Lumiere_du_Code said:
For those who don't know Russian, the video is made by Anatoly Sharej (infamous freelancer journalist), where he ridicules claims (made in numerous newspapers) that humanitarian aid trucks carry radio beacons for Grad missiles. The absurdity of the whole situation is, that Grad missiles can't be remotely controlled, so there isn't such a thing as "radio beacons for Grad missiles". I think it's rather scary to see the level of mental degradation of the masses that accept such things without thinking or checking.
There is a young woman on twitter, who's a deputy Moscow bureau chief for Financial Times. She's following the humanitarian aid convoy and posts pictures. In her recent pictures she wrote, that the drivers agreed to open and show any truck load she wanted without a problem. In this image, for example, there are bags full of buckwheat.
So, in my opinion, if we should put a blame on Putin for something, is for an inefficient packing. :P
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Lumiere_du_Code
Jedi Council Member
I couple of days read this subject, and I not simply want to discuss it, but I nevertheless will add something.
I think, nobody will forgive to Putin only one the "Kursk" (submarine sunk in the Barents Sea 2 days 14 years ago - from my city there was a captain of the first rank - into his honor renamed the neighboring street).
all this rumpled. as well as with the Boeing now.
if all to suppress to change both any attack and the tragedy for dollars, what the hell you there in general are necessary in this power? and if you steal a bread long loaf - you will be given prison term.
any international crime in which Russians perish or their rights are violated - is simply swept up under a rug. and what people when they are told openly lie when they wait the TRUTH have to feel?
the facts, figuratively speaking, already aren't present, or them for a long time ate and washed down with kefir with cucumbers and a herring that in general there was nothing to examine. chatted about black boxes and forgot. have scattered dust in eyes - and Russia did it too - became silent. if you would like anti-propaganda, the truth instead of misinformation and lies - you would have long been trumpeted. but no - silence. people slaves are necessary to all, and no matter how cool politician - without slaves he anybody.
America - our friend and bla bla bla. what C's recently told about the second cheek? quite so also it looks from within here. hooligans punish and abuse Russia every day, and it in reply to them actually thanks for it. as if the little constraining girl on a visit in others home. it shows that Russia quiet and polite, honest - but it for the OUTSIDE world. "here you look, we only for justice and honesty" - and they same want to achieve from the real enemies? NATO called Russia the enemy - and Russia calls NATO the partner.
and Putin is on friendly terms with Israel and Saudi Arabia. and you know both of them than "are famous". and you saw that Russia has condemned Jews for the beginning of genocide in Gaza? maybe I missed it, but I don't remember this.
and meanwhile within the country the same the police packing you for any poster or the slogan, the same beaten roads, the disorganized infrastructure which nobody serves since the time of Gorbachev, the falling rotten houses directly opposite to business centers, and pension in 5000 rubles near the same St. Petersburg.
when the official goes to the province, there for some days clean and repair the street on which its cortege will go, specially for it will paint fences and will paste scenery on old and shabby buildings. and all know it.
or this Patriarch of All Russia - the official millionaire, from god, the most righteous person of the country. he goes by limousines with bodyguards, wears gold watch, eats only delicious dishes, sits in an elite office. he pays taxes? what source of its income?
it is mentality of people such, and not to eradicate it. it is possible to accept one thousand different ban and laws but what to do if all this ruin, negligence and irresponsibility - in the nation? and it isn't important, Putin will be in power or someone else - is remains the same. they will construct though the Disneylands everywhere, will write the coolest constitution, will allocate billions for development and different social programs - and a cart be stay there where got stuck.
I see not only the politics - I also see moods and opinions of inhabitants of Russia. and they absolutely not delighted with this weakness. the Ukrainian army kills the Russian journalists, then kills mortar and a shelling already citizens from the border cities, destroys customs points - and what Russia does? - it simply lows about an appeal to see reason. already half a year Russia calls Ukraine for the world and justice - but whether it is possible to wait for it from the hooligan, from criminals and psychopaths? fie, incident - it is not the deputy was killed.
yes, Russia silently strikes dot blows to the Ukrainian troops on border, there their fighting helicopters and attack planes constantly fly. but it doesn't help.
I understand as this system, with the uniform world government of psychopaths is arranged, and I know that Putin got from Bor'ka (Yeltsin) completely destroyed country, and it lifted it, pulling out from paws of the American vampires. but parallel to all this Russia still steadily is conducted to the New World Order that I note regularly. Russia adopts the new laws and decisions forbidding smoking EVERYWHERE in any place, actually except own dwelling, the free will and possibilities of the citizen are more and more limited and narrowed. also it becomes everything very much dexterously and SILENTLY - just parallel to continuous news noise about the world. I well see it.
I prefer simply as if neutrally, most not blinkered to observe, preferring not to draw unambiguous conclusions.
about Olympic Games Anthony correctly wrote. I saw tens these photos that there actually, my friend worked there at finishing of these cottages for guests of the Olympic Games - I know how it "build". 50 millions threw out on scenery and sawed on pockets simply that "prols" in the world estimated show, sucking beer on sofa.
would equip hospitals better. certainly, I am anybody to specify as it is correct to arrive - but as million other inhabitants of Russia think.
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on the picture the word parody is written, in English analog the term "Divine" will be closest
I think, nobody will forgive to Putin only one the "Kursk" (submarine sunk in the Barents Sea 2 days 14 years ago - from my city there was a captain of the first rank - into his honor renamed the neighboring street).
all this rumpled. as well as with the Boeing now.
if all to suppress to change both any attack and the tragedy for dollars, what the hell you there in general are necessary in this power? and if you steal a bread long loaf - you will be given prison term.
any international crime in which Russians perish or their rights are violated - is simply swept up under a rug. and what people when they are told openly lie when they wait the TRUTH have to feel?
the facts, figuratively speaking, already aren't present, or them for a long time ate and washed down with kefir with cucumbers and a herring that in general there was nothing to examine. chatted about black boxes and forgot. have scattered dust in eyes - and Russia did it too - became silent. if you would like anti-propaganda, the truth instead of misinformation and lies - you would have long been trumpeted. but no - silence. people slaves are necessary to all, and no matter how cool politician - without slaves he anybody.
America - our friend and bla bla bla. what C's recently told about the second cheek? quite so also it looks from within here. hooligans punish and abuse Russia every day, and it in reply to them actually thanks for it. as if the little constraining girl on a visit in others home. it shows that Russia quiet and polite, honest - but it for the OUTSIDE world. "here you look, we only for justice and honesty" - and they same want to achieve from the real enemies? NATO called Russia the enemy - and Russia calls NATO the partner.
and Putin is on friendly terms with Israel and Saudi Arabia. and you know both of them than "are famous". and you saw that Russia has condemned Jews for the beginning of genocide in Gaza? maybe I missed it, but I don't remember this.
and meanwhile within the country the same the police packing you for any poster or the slogan, the same beaten roads, the disorganized infrastructure which nobody serves since the time of Gorbachev, the falling rotten houses directly opposite to business centers, and pension in 5000 rubles near the same St. Petersburg.
when the official goes to the province, there for some days clean and repair the street on which its cortege will go, specially for it will paint fences and will paste scenery on old and shabby buildings. and all know it.
or this Patriarch of All Russia - the official millionaire, from god, the most righteous person of the country. he goes by limousines with bodyguards, wears gold watch, eats only delicious dishes, sits in an elite office. he pays taxes? what source of its income?
it is mentality of people such, and not to eradicate it. it is possible to accept one thousand different ban and laws but what to do if all this ruin, negligence and irresponsibility - in the nation? and it isn't important, Putin will be in power or someone else - is remains the same. they will construct though the Disneylands everywhere, will write the coolest constitution, will allocate billions for development and different social programs - and a cart be stay there where got stuck.
I see not only the politics - I also see moods and opinions of inhabitants of Russia. and they absolutely not delighted with this weakness. the Ukrainian army kills the Russian journalists, then kills mortar and a shelling already citizens from the border cities, destroys customs points - and what Russia does? - it simply lows about an appeal to see reason. already half a year Russia calls Ukraine for the world and justice - but whether it is possible to wait for it from the hooligan, from criminals and psychopaths? fie, incident - it is not the deputy was killed.
yes, Russia silently strikes dot blows to the Ukrainian troops on border, there their fighting helicopters and attack planes constantly fly. but it doesn't help.
I understand as this system, with the uniform world government of psychopaths is arranged, and I know that Putin got from Bor'ka (Yeltsin) completely destroyed country, and it lifted it, pulling out from paws of the American vampires. but parallel to all this Russia still steadily is conducted to the New World Order that I note regularly. Russia adopts the new laws and decisions forbidding smoking EVERYWHERE in any place, actually except own dwelling, the free will and possibilities of the citizen are more and more limited and narrowed. also it becomes everything very much dexterously and SILENTLY - just parallel to continuous news noise about the world. I well see it.
I prefer simply as if neutrally, most not blinkered to observe, preferring not to draw unambiguous conclusions.
about Olympic Games Anthony correctly wrote. I saw tens these photos that there actually, my friend worked there at finishing of these cottages for guests of the Olympic Games - I know how it "build". 50 millions threw out on scenery and sawed on pockets simply that "prols" in the world estimated show, sucking beer on sofa.
would equip hospitals better. certainly, I am anybody to specify as it is correct to arrive - but as million other inhabitants of Russia think.
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on the picture the word parody is written, in English analog the term "Divine" will be closest
