I'm saying that concentrating on sex and food is good way to chain spirit to matter.
Nobody here would disagree that concentrating on one facet of human experience to the exclusion of all else is bad, but if that's your impression of what's going on in this thread I think you should reread Laura's introduction post more closely, since there's a lot of nuance your missing. It is equally unhealthy to totally dispense with one facet of human nature.
Rigid or not,it is truthful. Reading "romantic" novels,watching porn,or "practicing sex to achieve better relatioships" all falls under abuse of sex as Gudjieff say.
Gurdjieff never said anything to that effect. You're taking wildly different situations with wildly different internal experiences and relational contexts - simply because sexuality is involved in some way - and reducing it to the lowest common denominator, to the exclusion of all else that sexuality may enrich or enhance in our lives. If you haven't read Cupid's Poison Arrow yet I strongly recommend you do so.
Abuse of sex only occurs in the lower 3 centers, not when it is connected with the higher emotional center (which is what we are fundamentally talking about here).
Going back to the idea of The Fall as we understand it on here, it was rooted in "pleasure for the self," i.e. this sexual circuit (among other things) disconnected from love and virtue and creativity in service of the latter two. So by saying all sexuality or expression thereof is sin you're in effect saying that our fallen state is the only possible state for humans to be in. In effect you are cutting off the path to the way back by denying this possibility. The purpose here is to absorb and digest in one's consciousness and subconsciousness material for catching glimmers of what a morally healthy and STO sexual expression looks and feels like.
To say that sexuality has no place is to say there was some fundamental brokenness or mistake in human nature that was not driven by our individual choices or karma. That is Manichaean nonsense, and that is responsible for the creation of a lot of eunuchs in the past with similarly accompanying impotent philosophies of hatred for life on this earth.
This is generalization,but problem for Western mind have always been that it values more (for example) act of consumption than than freedom from it.
There's always been an ascetic/chaste vein in western traditions due to Christianity, what are you talking about?
I think you should quit wrestling with this straw man "western mind" in your replies and just deal with vanilla reality instead (i.e. listen to what people are actually saying in this thread, instead of cutting them down to fit into your Procrustean Bed).
Just physical activity(exercise,physical work) will lower libido,smaller food intake,and even little sunbathing will lower it too.
You forgot to add castration to the list.
Your suggestions to reduce libido are directly contradicted by Gurdjieff's use of testosterone injections for his male students in his later years of practice. Neither he, nor anyone else who studies human energy systems, ever saw sexual energy as some kind of curse to handle, but a gift for us to sublimate and transform in
healthy ways. Chastity *can* be one of those ways but as always the devil is in the details. Gurdjieff in his eastern travels encountered many who practiced chastity but ended up as freaks of nature all the same for their mishandling of that energy. You're incorrectly writing off many of these healthy way to use this energy as pathology, and not for very good reasons.
Sublimation doesn't come from thinking "I have heightend libido,lets find a way to get rid off it,by "discharging" myself on something,using my imagination" . That is indulgence. If you are using it,it still comes under indulgence.
This is self-serving hairsplitting. How about you provide some evidence of actual harm being done here? Many people thus far have been reporting emotional benefits and improvements to outlook here. Or is it more along the lines of "it involves some sexual circuitry therefore it is bad?"
One does not have to argue. It's simply true. There is a lot more. And yet you have selected just "sex" Like anything else but sex is not even worthy of your attention.
Indeed. "Methink she doth protest too much." It reminds me of the story of the two monks and the beautiful woman:
A senior monk and a junior monk were traveling together. At one point, they came to a river with a strong current. As the monks were preparing to cross the river, they saw a very young and beautiful woman also attempting to cross. The young woman asked if they could help her cross to the other side.
The two monks glanced at one another because they had taken vows not to touch a woman.
Then, without a word, the older monk picked up the woman, carried her across the river, placed her gently on the other side, and carried on his
journey.
The younger monk couldn’t believe what had just happened. After rejoining his companion, he was speechless, and an hour passed without a word between them.
Two more hours passed, then three, finally the younger monk could contain himself any longer, and blurted out “As monks, we are not permitted a woman, how could you then carry that woman on your shoulders?”
The older monk looked at him and replied, “Brother, I set her down on the other side of the river, why are you still carrying her?” 
, after reading 2 books from Sons of sins, I feel really energetic and I remembered many good things from my past. The bonds that can be made between two people, simply beautiful. It gave me a wish to get married one day
. This whole Amor+Psyche archetype is who we are, what inspires us, gives us a support and transformes us into immortals.
but reading this books I didn't have any unpure thoughts or feeling lust, I don't think they have such impact on people. You should read something first and share with us some of your thoughts.
