Russian Passenger Plane Crashes Over Egypt

[bjorb]

[quote author=Windmill Knight]Also, we need to consider that Putin couldn't really come out and say it was downed with some exotic weapon if that was the case. The closest he could say is what he said, which the public can understand, and which is essentially correct: it was an act of terrorism.[/quote]

Sadly yes, but its like having a murderer in your village who can keep going on murdering because no one will ever believe you.

Suppose the truth in the public mind about this tragedy and 9/11 alike can only happen when an official disclosure is made together by several world powers. It isn’t that the public can't believe it. They could I think but it depends on how it is presented.

Anyhow, timing and forbearance is essential to deal with these tyrants. Hopefully another time when the cards are right to play.

Consortium and allies alike got the message. Threats are futile to us. Especially so because Russia also announced today that they are increasing the air-strikes dramatically by long range bombers. Now lets see how this is going to play out. Russia is setting itself next up to France because they are victims of the same. Well played and rightfully so. Now if they only could act together based on this tragedy. Its up to France to choose the right side.

 

[Voyageur]

Yes, the bomb story is for public consumption, but I also wonder how much the story was created for PTB consumption as well. Those who were responsible for the downing of the plane know that there was probably no planting of a device per se - which raises the question: did Putin say this to confuse the enemy and suggest it was a device to seem clueless about the real cause, or, did he say it to suggest that he does know, won't divulge the real source, and has put the enemy on notice. In any case Putin looks as intense and determined as ever. Russia will respond and when she does it'll be a doozie I think. Perhaps the 'man behind the curtain' - in the PTB sense - will soon be further revealed as a result.

Notice that this announcement came right after the Paris attacks were used by France to declare their "right to self-defense" under UN rules. Putin invokes the same right now that this event has handily been labeled a "terrorist attack". Pretty clever if you ask me.

Yes indeed. Plus he capitalizes on the world's sympathies, and puts Russia on the same boat with France.

Also, we need to consider that Putin couldn't really come out and say it was downed with some exotic weapon if that was the case. The closest he could say is what he said, which the public can understand, and which is essentially correct: it was an act of terrorism.

I also think that what he said regarding going after those responsible and intensifying bombings against ISIS is a message to the real culprits, who will be reading between the lines. In other words: You wanted to intimidate us, but it didn't work, we will continue what we were doing and now we will actively work against you.

And although he was speaking of another event in 2013 in the video posted above, Putin ends one though process saying "we have not forgotten anyone or anything". This just registered as being open to many possibilities.

 

[Aeneas]

Yes, the bomb story is for public consumption, but I also wonder how much the story was created for PTB consumption as well. Those who were responsible for the downing of the plane know that there was probably no planting of a device per se - which raises the question: did Putin say this to confuse the enemy and suggest it was a device to seem clueless about the real cause, or, did he say it to suggest that he does know, won't divulge the real source, and has put the enemy on notice. In any case Putin looks as intense and determined as ever. Russia will respond and when she does it'll be a doozie I think. Perhaps the 'man behind the curtain' - in the PTB sense - will soon be further revealed as a result.

Notice that this announcement came right after the Paris attacks were used by France to declare their "right to self-defense" under UN rules. Putin invokes the same right now that this event has handily been labeled a "terrorist attack". Pretty clever if you ask me.

Yes indeed. Plus he capitalizes on the world's sympathies, and puts Russia on the same boat with France.

Also, we need to consider that Putin couldn't really come out and say it was downed with some exotic weapon if that was the case. The closest he could say is what he said, which the public can understand, and which is essentially correct: it was an act of terrorism.

I also think that what he said regarding going after those responsible and intensifying bombings against ISIS is a message to the real culprits, who will be reading between the lines. In other words: You wanted to intimidate us, but it didn't work, we will continue what we were doing and now we will actively work against you.

It was a very clever move. Putin and his team used the energy that the opposition had made with the two attacks to their advantage. The Ptb had hoped that they could sideline and marginalize Russia, but Russia just jumped right in and upped the atttacks on IS. Given all the hysteria that the Ptb has created it is now hard for them to not work alongside with Russia. No chance of the US and France to carve out Raqqa for itself as a No-fly zone. Russia is actively there on center stage with an outstretched hand welcoming all who want to join in eliminating the CIA sponsored thugs. Brilliant. A great aikido move, where the momentum is with Russia.

 

[Mr.Cyan]

Yes, the bomb story is for public consumption, but I also wonder how much the story was created for PTB consumption as well. Those who were responsible for the downing of the plane know that there was probably no planting of a device per se - which raises the question: did Putin say this to confuse the enemy and suggest it was a device to seem clueless about the real cause, or, did he say it to suggest that he does know, won't divulge the real source, and has put the enemy on notice. In any case Putin looks as intense and determined as ever. Russia will respond and when she does it'll be a doozie I think. Perhaps the 'man behind the curtain' - in the PTB sense - will soon be further revealed as a result.

Notice that this announcement came right after the Paris attacks were used by France to declare their "right to self-defense" under UN rules. Putin invokes the same right now that this event has handily been labeled a "terrorist attack". Pretty clever if you ask me.

Yes indeed. Plus he capitalizes on the world's sympathies, and puts Russia on the same boat with France.

Also, we need to consider that Putin couldn't really come out and say it was downed with some exotic weapon if that was the case. The closest he could say is what he said, which the public can understand, and which is essentially correct: it was an act of terrorism.

I also think that what he said regarding going after those responsible and intensifying bombings against ISIS is a message to the real culprits, who will be reading between the lines. In other words: You wanted to intimidate us, but it didn't work, we will continue what we were doing and now we will actively work against you.

It was a very clever move. Putin and his team used the energy that the opposition had made with the two attacks to their advantage. The Ptb had hoped that they could sideline and marginalize Russia, but Russia just jumped right in and upped the atttacks on IS. Given all the hysteria that the Ptb has created it is now hard for them to not work alongside with Russia. No chance of the US and France to carve out Raqqa for itself as a No-fly zone. Russia is actively there on center stage with an outstretched hand welcoming all who want to join in eliminating the CIA sponsored thugs. Brilliant. A great aikido move, where the momentum is with Russia.

Couldn't agree more, and under these circumstances, I think the best strategy would be for Russia to continue to ramp-up their operations and ensure that the head-choppers are completely and utterly destroyed in Syria.

 

[angelburst29]

Egypt has disputed Russia’s account that a bomb led to the crash of a Russian passenger plane in the restive Sinai Peninsula, saying its probe has yet to find any evidence of criminal action.

PressTV: No criminal action proof found in Russia plane crash: Egypt
http://presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11/17/438100/Egypt-Russia-Sinai-Daesh-ISIL-Ismail-

The Egyptian cabinet, which held its weekly meeting in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh on Tuesday, where an Airbus A321, run by Russia’s Kogalymavia airline, crashed on October 31, refrained from endorsing Moscow’s conclusions.

Earlier in the day, the Russian federal security service announced that a bomb had gone off on the Russian aircraft, bringing the plane down. All of the plane’s 224 passengers – mostly Russians – were killed in the incident.

Immediately after the October crash, an affiliate of the Daesh terrorist group in Egypt claimed responsibility. However, Russian officials have cast doubt on the account that the incident was a terrorist act – until now.

The Egyptian prime minister and several members of the government, who attended a Tuesday news conference, did not confirm Russia’s announcement.

"The Egyptian authorities affirm they will take into consideration the investigations that the Russian side reached ... in the comprehensive investigation," Premier Sherif Ismail said.

Egyptian Interior Minister Magid Abdel Ghaffar also vowed to bring to justice culprits if a security lapse is found out to be behind the deadly crash.

"Regarding Sharm al-Sheikh airport, when we discover that there have been security lapses action will be taken, but up to now we have no information about lapses in the search and security procedures," he said.

Security has been increased at all airports across Egypt and now all bags, passengers and staff are searched while regular security sweeps are also conducted.

Egyptian authorities are also allowing foreign experts to review security measures at the North African country’s airports to make sure they met their standards.

Egypt’s civil aviation and interior ministers have said all scenarios for the cause of the October 31 crash are under investigation.



Backfire, White Swan, and the Bear - A message to NATO (Photo images)
http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/11/backfire-white-swan-and-bear-message-to.html

Russia has decided to up the ante in Syria after it was discovered that a bomb was responsible for the downing of the A321 plane in Sinai, Egypt. Fort Russ has translated the following images, provided by the Ministry of Defense, for the convenience of Ash Carter at the Pentagon. We hope that this helps the sponsors of ISIS and the Putsche regime in Kiev realise just what exactly they are messing with.

(Images translated by Soviet Bear)

Tu-22M3 (Backfire)

•Long-range supersonic swing-wing bomber-missile carrier.
•Designed to destroy ground and maritime targets day and night in all weather conditions.
•Practical ceiling 13.5 km.
•Top speed 2300 km/h.
•Flight range 5500 km.
•Length - 41.5.m
•Wing span 34.3-23.3.m
•Crew - 4.
•Height - 10 m.
•Armament - 23 mm, GSh-23 cannon with 2400 pm fire-rate, 3 guided air-to-ground missiles, bombs.

Tu-160 (White Swan)

•Swing wing, supersonic strategic bomber-missile carrier.
•Designed to complete missions of striking important targets in geographically remote regions and behind the enemy lines.
•Practical ceiling - 16 km .
•Top speed 2230 km\h.
•Flight range - 14600 km.
•Crew - 4.
•Wing span 35.6-55.7 m.
•Length 54.1 m.
•Height - 13.1 m.
•Armament - 12 cruise missiles, bombs (guided conventional and nuclear).

Tu-95MS (Bear)

•Strategic missile carrier.
•Designed to complete missions of striking important targets in geographically remote regions and deep in the enemy territory with use of nuclear weapons.
•Practical ceiling - 12 km.
•Top speed 830 km\h.
•Flight range 10500 km.
•Wing span - 50.1 m.
•Crew - 7.
•Length - 49.1 m
•Height 13,3 m.
•Armament - 23 mm GSh-23 cannon with 2400 rpm fire-rate, 6 Kh-15 cruise missiles fired from a revolver-type launcher with 2500 km range. Sea mines.

 

[mabar]

Apparently, ISIS shown the photo of the improvised Russian plane bomb,... and I was in between ready to cry or to laugh, laugh won.

Islamic State says 'Schweppes bomb' used to bring down Russian plane
CAIRO | BY AHMED ABOULENEIN AND LIN NOUEIHED

Islamic State's official magazine carried a photo on Wednesday of a Schweppes drink it said was used to make an improvised bomb that brought down a Russian airliner over Egypt's Sinai Peninsula last month, killing all 224 people on board.

The photo showed a can of Schweppes Gold soft drink and what appeared to be a detonator and switch on a blue background, three simple components that if genuine are likely to cause concern for airline safety officials worldwide.

"The divided Crusaders of the East and West thought themselves safe in their jets as they cowardly bombarded the Muslims of the Caliphate," the English language Dabiq magazine said in reference to Russia and the West. "And so revenge was exacted upon those who felt safe in the cockpits."

Western governments have said the plane was likely brought down by a bomb and Moscow confirmed on Tuesday it had reached the same conclusion, but the Egyptian government says it has still not found evidence of criminal action.

Islamic State also published a photo of what it said were passports belonging to dead Russians "obtained by the mujahideen". It was not immediately possible to verify the authenticity of the published photos.

The group, which has seized large swathes of Syria and Iraq, said it had exploited a loophole at Sharm al-Sheikh airport, where the plane originated, in order to smuggle a bomb on board.

The airport is widely used by budget and charter airlines to fly tourists to the nearby resorts on the Sinai coast.

Islamic State said it had initially planned to bring down a plane belonging to a country participating in the U.S.-led coalition bombing it in Syria and Iraq, but it changed course after Moscow started its own air strikes campaign in Syria.

Egypt's interior minister told a news conference in Sharm al-Sheikh on Tuesday that there was "no information" about security lapses at the airport.
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[Gawan]

Apparently, ISIS shown the photo of the improvised Russian plane bomb,... and I was in between ready to cry or to laugh, laugh won.

Islamic State says 'Schweppes bomb' used to bring down Russian plane
CAIRO | BY AHMED ABOULENEIN AND LIN NOUEIHED

Islamic State's official magazine carried a photo on Wednesday of a Schweppes drink it said was used to make an improvised bomb that brought down a Russian airliner over Egypt's Sinai Peninsula last month, killing all 224 people on board.

The photo showed a can of Schweppes Gold soft drink and what appeared to be a detonator and switch on a blue background, three simple components that if genuine are likely to cause concern for airline safety officials worldwide.

"The divided Crusaders of the East and West thought themselves safe in their jets as they cowardly bombarded the Muslims of the Caliphate," the English language Dabiq magazine said in reference to Russia and the West. "And so revenge was exacted upon those who felt safe in the cockpits."

Western governments have said the plane was likely brought down by a bomb and Moscow confirmed on Tuesday it had reached the same conclusion, but the Egyptian government says it has still not found evidence of criminal action.

Islamic State also published a photo of what it said were passports belonging to dead Russians "obtained by the mujahideen". It was not immediately possible to verify the authenticity of the published photos.

The group, which has seized large swathes of Syria and Iraq, said it had exploited a loophole at Sharm al-Sheikh airport, where the plane originated, in order to smuggle a bomb on board.

The airport is widely used by budget and charter airlines to fly tourists to the nearby resorts on the Sinai coast.

Islamic State said it had initially planned to bring down a plane belonging to a country participating in the U.S.-led coalition bombing it in Syria and Iraq, but it changed course after Moscow started its own air strikes campaign in Syria.

Egypt's interior minister told a news conference in Sharm al-Sheikh on Tuesday that there was "no information" about security lapses at the airport.
...

Yes, it is kind of insane with what stories they can come up and actually contradict it too, because first ISIS supposedly shot it down and later on they come up with the bomb story. Here is a picture of the alleged bomb that ISIS released:

 

[Voyageur]

Yes, it is kind of insane with what stories they can come up and actually contradict it too, because first ISIS supposedly shot it down and later on they come up with the bomb story. Here is a picture of the alleged bomb that ISIS released:

And contradictions has been their (PTB/MSM) mainstay since IS emerged - like a mirage emerging out of the desert not so long ago. So many who's, what's, how and why's that the aforementioned don't talk about.

To hear each day the rhetoric of these things, and that's just from people you may meet or know, is painful and hard on the tongue.

By the way, I think Schweppes is corporate cousin of Dr. Pepper, the American drink.

 

[Windmill knight]

Yes, it is kind of insane with what stories they can come up and actually contradict it too, because first ISIS supposedly shot it down and later on they come up with the bomb story. Here is a picture of the alleged bomb that ISIS released:

I'd be surprised if anyone managed to knock down a paper plane with that!

 

[angelburst29]

There's contradiction in the information.

http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/10/31/n_7833359.shtml :

Fragments of the Russian Airbus liner going from Sharm el-Sheikh to St. Petersburg are found on the Sinai Peninsula in Egypt, reports RIA Novosti with reference to the Egyptian mass media.

Rosaviation doesn't approve findings of any fragments.

Yeah, I am listening to Russia 24 right now, and they are not sure about anything for now. But they do mention that Egyptian sources claim that the Russian plane crashed and was completely destroyed. And that it happened in the area were anti-ISIS operations are going on. After hearing it I also wondered if it wasn't a message to Russia, especially since Sinai is right near Israel and is one of the favorite places (beside Turkey) of Israeli intelligence agencies.

Wonder why Israel was so helpful in claiming "a Bomb" was responsible for the A321 plane crash?

Suspicions about the Russian Plane Crash
http://www.bollyn.com/#article_15282

The Russian aircraft went down south of Al Arish, near the border of Israel, very close to Israel's main cyberwarfare and computer hacking facility, Unit 8200, located on Kibbutz Urim. Cyberwarfare is defined as "actions by a nation-state to penetrate another nation's computers or networks for the purposes of causing damage or disruption."

MILITARY INTELLIGENCE UNIT 8200 - Israel's main satellite signal intelligence facility is located on Kibbutz Urim, less than 60 miles NNE of the location where the Russian plane went down. Unit 8200, an institution of computer hackers, is the largest branch of the IDF and is responsible for the military’s offensive cyber capabilities. The Telegraph reported in 2010, "The Negev desert based Unit 8200 has evolved from the signal intelligence arm of the Israeli military into a respected leader in high technology warfare."

The fact that the pilot's last communication, from 30,000 feet, reported a malfunction in the airplane's wireless devices and that he asked for an emergency landing indicates that the airplane may have been in the process of being hacked externally through its satellite wireless connection. It is interesting to note that the report of the "malfunction in the wireless devices" has not been published in a single U.S. newspaper or media outlet.

Secondly, the fact that this was the pilot's last communication is significant. Even if the plane had stalled, as it seems to have done, and fallen from 30,000 feet, the pilot still would have had several minutes to communicate with air traffic controllers in Cairo - unless his communications link had been cut, which appears to be the case.

Viktor Yung, a director general of Metrojet, said, "from the moment since the events took a tragic turn, the crew became incapacitated," adding, there was not "a single attempt to get in touch (with air traffic control) and report the situation on board."

NO MAYDAY

Egypt's Civil Aviation Authority reported that no Mayday signal was sent from the plane and that communication with the aircraft was normal until the aircraft disappeared from radar. This is a very telling piece of information because it indicates that the normal communication channels with the cockpit crew had been cut before the plane was remotely hijacked and sabotaged.

Last contact with the flight from flight tracking website Flightradar24 shows the aircraft climbing to 30,875 feet, after which it showed erratic altitudes and speed indications. Last altitude recorded was 27,925 feet at a speed of just 62 knots. Apparently, the plane had lost all engine power. The fact that the last altitude recorded by Flightradar24 was 27,925 feet indicates that the plane's ADS-B transponder stopped functioning - or was turned off at that point.

A REPEAT OF THE DOWNING OF EGYPT AIR 990?

The Russian aircraft reportedly broke up in flight. This break-up may have occurred as a result of the extreme forces the plane was subjected to as it went through radical dives and climbs in the last thirty seconds before it disappeared from radar. This scenario is very similar to the crash of Egypt Air 990, which went down exactly 16 years earlier on October 31, 1999, over the Atlantic Ocean, 62 miles south of Nantucket Island with 217 killed.

 

[Chad]

posted in Center for Syncretic Studies FB group from: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/19419/

Dubai Deputy Police Chief Says Mossad Likely behind Russian Plane Crash
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By News Desk on November 23, 2015 Middle East

Deputy Chief of Dubai’s Police Force Lieutenant General Dahi Khalfan said Israeli spy agency, Mossad, has most likely been behind the downing of the Russian passenger plane that crashed in Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula earlier in October.

“There is a strong possibility that Israel’s intelligence has been involved in the terrorist bombing which brought down the Russian Airbus A321 in Egypt in October,” Khalfan wrote on his Twitter account on Sunday.

He pointed to the close cooperation between Egypt and Russia, and said Israel cannot undermine the ties between Moscow and Cairo through such actions.
“The Russian and Egyptian presidents have agreed on the construction of a nuclear power plant by Russia in Egypt.”

The Sinai air crash became the deadliest air accident in the history of Russian aviation, surpassing the 1985 disaster in Uzbekistan, where 200 people died.
ISIL had claimed responsibility for the downing of the Russian passenger plane that crashed in Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula.

On Tuesday, Russian Federal Security Service Head Alexander Bortnikov said that the detonation of a homemade explosive device with an equivalent of 1 kilogram of TNT caused the crash that killed 224 people over Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula on October 31.



Manar

 

[angelburst29]

posted in Center for Syncretic Studies FB group from: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/19419/

Dubai Deputy Police Chief Says Mossad Likely behind Russian Plane Crash
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By News Desk on November 23, 2015 Middle East

Deputy Chief of Dubai’s Police Force Lieutenant General Dahi Khalfan said Israeli spy agency, Mossad, has most likely been behind the downing of the Russian passenger plane that crashed in Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula earlier in October.

I would imagine, Putin probably has his own evidence of what happened to that Russian plane and it is only a matter of time before "HE takes care of business - in his own way"?

Vladimir Putin’s massive, triple-decker war room revealed
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/21/vladimir-putins-massive-triple-decker-war-room-revealed/

The fortified National Control Defense Center was Putin's first stop after officials confirmed that the Russian charter jet crash that claimed 224 lives last month was the result of an act of terror.

On movie-theater-size screens, live broadcasts showed long-range strategic bombers taking off from Russian air bases to fly sorties over Syria. Putin instructed commanders in Syria to "make contact with the French and work with them as allies" as Russia seeks a central role in a proposed anti-terrorist coalition.

But the real star of the show may have been the building itself, which is designed to be a new nerve center for the Russian military that will coordinate military action around the world, including ballistic missile launches and strategic nuclear deployments.

The building is roughly the equivalent of the U.S. National Military Command Center used by the Pentagon, but as one Russian state news agency noted in a breathless headline this week, "Russian Defense Data Center Outperforms US Facility Threefold: Official."

The center, which is fortified and said to sit on top of a maze of underground tunnels, is on the Frunze Naberezhnaya on the left bank of the Moscow river, a little over two miles from Red Square.

It was finished in 2014 and is part of a massive, decade-long modernization of Russia's army, which has cost hundreds of billions of dollars, but has also produced noted improvements, from the expertise of Russian troops deployed during the Crimea operation to the recent cruise missile strikes launched from the Caspian Sea.

The new national defense center also includes a helicopter pad that was deployed on the Moscow River late last year and can accommodate Russia's Mi-8 transport helicopter. In case of a war, it would be the country's premier communications center, and one Russian commander compared it to the military headquarters of the Soviet Union during World War II.

Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu said that the center is a step toward "forming a single information space for solving tasks in the interests of the country’s defense."

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[gambeir]

When i heard this new this morning , the first thought that came to my mind was that its a message for the Russia from the PTB, for their intervention in Syria.
Then i saw the video on RT and there is mentioned the sudden drop of the altitude of the plane. That leads me to the idea that maybe something hit and damaged the plane so the pilot has to lower the altitude for safety reasons.Also we know that today some big "Halloween" asteroid will pass near the Earth, so maybe some of his small friends have some encounter with the plane. Also the crash of the military plane over Kamchatka.

The sudden drop of altitude also reminded me of the German plane that was stuck down in the mountains this year, so i saw some similarities here.

I still cant understand how reports are still so conflicting. It it was just a crash due a mechanical fault then they will know where the plane is and what happened.

Also the 23 minutes missing from the radar is very odd. It looks like some anomaly, like a still missing Malaysian plane, or the anomaly can be because of some atmosphere comet explosion, and the EMP from that interfere with the radar detection.

Many scenarios are possible and we will see how the situation will develop and what will mainstream media report or don't report about this.

One of the things which lead me to this collection of minds at Cassiopaea was Joe's article on this. Originally I was in agreement with Joe that this was the result of an energy weapon. My reasons go outside of Dr. Judy Woods. For example I know of at least one obscure report of energy weapons being used in Gulf War One (1991).

I was especially interested in the early reports of disembodied voices supposedly first reported, but now evidently buried beneath this bomb plot story.

Lets consider other potential explanations is what I'm thinking. We might have this all wrong and are following the path laid for us to follow. Naturally we are going to think of a retaliation against the Russians, so we are following that path.

There is a distinct possibility that we are on the wrong track with both bombs and energy weapons, well at least the kind of energy weapons we would normally envision. For one thing, an aircraft would have to almost instantly disintegrate at speed in order to project a body twenty miles away from the impact site. Which is what supposedly happened with this infant. One would normally conclude that the plane had to have blown up or fallen apart somehow, and I mean literally fell apart.

Ya know, I only know of one thing known to humans that can disintegrate metal, turn it to jelly, and we don't know too much about why it does it, at least not officially, and that would be the so called Hutchinson Effect.

The thing is that this area of unknown physics is distinctly tied to other well documented cases of planes vanishing, disembodied voices, and so it's similar in that regard, and we do have these early reports of disembodied voices. To my knowledge that indicates something else if they are to be believed, and I think they probably should be believed. Like why discount a normal person, what, are they all crazy and hearing voices?

We have now lost several aircraft to basically unknown causes, certainly not causes which have been reported as they are known, but rather as the propagandist have seen use to use. A guy supposedly suicides a German Airliner, A French Plane lost off the Coast of Brazil before that, the missing Airliners, vanished without a trace, and now this one.

Going back now to the body of the infant found twenty miles away. The issue here is, is it even possible even if the plane vanished around the child at 450 knots? I'm not even sure that's possible. I don't know of any cases where peoples bodies were found tens of miles away from a plane crash. Not even in war when plans blew up.

Now though I'm leaning to another theory, and partly because of Putins intelligence and ability to use events to advantage.

 

[Niall]

Lets consider other potential explanations is what I'm thinking. We might have this all wrong and are following the path laid for us to follow.

Other than the public narrative of a soda can bomb? We already have another explanation: some kind of energy weapon.

There is a distinct possibility that we are on the wrong track with both bombs and energy weapons, well at least the kind of energy weapons we would normally envision. For one thing, an aircraft would have to almost instantly disintegrate at speed in order to project a body twenty miles away from the impact site. Which is what supposedly happened with this infant. One would normally conclude that the plane had to have blown up or fallen apart somehow, and I mean literally fell apart.

There are other possibilities, but they don't follow 'normal' space-time rules.

Ya know, I only know of one thing known to humans that can disintegrate metal, turn it to jelly, and we don't know too much about why it does it, at least not officially, and that would be the so called Hutchinson Effect.

The thing is that this area of unknown physics is distinctly tied to other well documented cases of planes vanishing, disembodied voices, and so it's similar in that regard, and we do have these early reports of disembodied voices. To my knowledge that indicates something else if they are to be believed, and I think they probably should be believed. Like why discount a normal person, what, are they all crazy and hearing voices?

We have now lost several aircraft to basically unknown causes, certainly not causes which have been reported as they are known, but rather as the propagandist have seen use to use. A guy supposedly suicides a German Airliner, A French Plane lost off the Coast of Brazil before that, the missing Airliners, vanished without a trace, and now this one.

Re Germanwings: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,37872.0.html

Q: So, what caused the crash of the Germanwings flight into the mountain?

A: Autopilot system.

Q: (Perceval) The autopilot system caused it. Well, yeah! We know that. Was the autopilot system hijacked remotely?

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) Uh, by who?

A: Guess!

Q: (Perceval) Mossad.

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) Was the purpose to...

A: A warning! Imagine all the "authorities" in various governments being made acutely aware that planes that they travel on themselves can be so easily manipulated?!

Re Air France 447: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,12634.msg90297.html#msg90297

Q: What caused the destruction of the Air France flight?

A: Cometary explosion of the Tunguska variety though higher and a bit smaller.

Re MH370: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,34301.0.html

Q: (L) Alright, I think that's enough on that topic. I think the topic on everybody's mind is The Plane [Malaysian Airlines Flight 370]. The plane, the plane! {Fantasy Island.}(Pierre) Where is it?

A: In well of space/time lock.

Q: (L) Well, the Chinese are certain that they have located some wreckage.

A: Any "wreckage" located under the circumstances must be seen as highly questionable.

Q: (Pierre) Was it deliberate, or was it an accident?

A: Happens when bleedthrough causes confusion.

Q: (L) Confusion of what?

A: Realms and all within.

Q: (Perceval) Seems like the confusion was evident in the change in direction of the plane, and then it disappeared into a well of time and space. (Data) Are the passengers okay on the plane?

A: Depends on how you define "okay".

Q: (Perceval) Is it a similar situation to Flight 19?

A: Yes.

So, according to our source, three different causes.

Going back now to the body of the infant found twenty miles away. The issue here is, is it even possible even if the plane vanished around the child at 450 knots?

Who said that that's what happened? Maybe she momentarily 'vanished' then 'returned' there?

I'm not even sure that's possible. I don't know of any cases where peoples bodies were found tens of miles away from a plane crash. Not even in war when plans blew up.

Again, we're not talking about regular mechanics here. This is something completely different.

Now though I'm leaning to another theory, and partly because of Putins intelligence and ability to use events to advantage.

What theory is that?

 

[gambeir]

Other than the public narrative of a soda can bomb? We already have another explanation: some kind of energy weapon.

Yes, I realize that. I'm not in disagreement about that potential. I think the discussion has covered the main themes of what
seems most likely. Either the plane was brought down by an energy weapon, or it encountered a warp in space time.
I think those are the two prevailing theories that have been covered. At least one supposed psychic says the missing
Flight 370 is in another dimension/time. http://psychicfocus.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/malaysia-airline-mh370.html

There are other possibilities, but they don't follow 'normal' space-time rules.


Re Germanwings: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,37872.0.html

Q: So, what caused the crash of the Germanwings flight into the mountain?

A: Autopilot system.

Q: (Perceval) The autopilot system caused it. Well, yeah! We know that. Was the autopilot system hijacked remotely?

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) Uh, by who?

A: Guess!

Q: (Perceval) Mossad.

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) Was the purpose to...

A: A warning! Imagine all the "authorities" in various governments being made acutely aware that planes that they travel on themselves can be so easily manipulated?!

Re Air France 447: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,12634.msg90297.html#msg90297

Q: What caused the destruction of the Air France flight?

A: Cometary explosion of the Tunguska variety though higher and a bit smaller.

Re MH370: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,34301.0.html

Q: (L) Alright, I think that's enough on that topic. I think the topic on everybody's mind is The Plane [Malaysian Airlines Flight 370]. The plane, the plane! {Fantasy Island.}(Pierre) Where is it?

A: In well of space/time lock.

Q: (L) Well, the Chinese are certain that they have located some wreckage.

A: Any "wreckage" located under the circumstances must be seen as highly questionable.

Q: (Pierre) Was it deliberate, or was it an accident?

A: Happens when bleedthrough causes confusion.

Q: (L) Confusion of what?

A: Realms and all within.

Q: (Perceval) Seems like the confusion was evident in the change in direction of the plane, and then it disappeared into a well of time and space. (Data) Are the passengers okay on the plane?

A: Depends on how you define "okay".

Q: (Perceval) Is it a similar situation to Flight 19?

A: Yes.

So, according to our source, three different causes.

I agree with everything generally speaking. That is, the explanations are better than those offered so far. I feel the German Airliner was not a remote hijack of the aircraft. That plane seemed to have suddenly encountered space, and I mean space itself, a vacuum of space. Resulting in complete loss of the flight controls instantly. We would know that if we had access to the actual flight recorder data. That hypothesis should, if true, have resulted in nearly instant loss of all engines as the jet turbofan requires air for operation. An encounter with space, that is the vacuum of either space or some anomaly similar to that, would or should have resulted in near immediate flameout of the jet motor. The flight data recorder would show that. The damage to the motors would show if the fans were spinning at speed or merely windmilling. There would be no doubt about the condition of the rotor blades as this is basic 101 science to accident investigation. Like were the engines running? Were they at full power on impact? Those are important and typical questions answered by metal analysis if not just simple visual observations. We ourselves can make logical deductions about that if we have good images of the jet turobofan blades from the crash site.

I agree the loss of the French Plane was probably due to a meteor strike or bolide like explosion in the immediate flight path. However, it too could have also been a victim of changing wind patterns which may be creating previously unknown voids and or vortexes which are drawing space deep in to the lower atmosphere. That is the alternative hypothesis, that we also now have space itself which is invading the lower regions of the planet for reasons which evidently have to do with either a combination of changing wind patterns in the jet streams, evidently linked to planetary changes, and or also linked or independently -whichever- having an association with the breakdown in the magnetic field of Earth.

I haven't read enough. Shouldn't probably be opening my mouth but why stop now? This has some of the material supporting the idea that we have vacuums of space now entering the lower regions. That the theme of the Jewish Whipping boys being responsible, and they may well be, is perhaps also a red herring designed to obscure the reality of what may already be known to a few.
http://cassiopaea.org/2011/02/26/fire-and-ice-the-day-after-tomorrow/

Going back now to the body of the infant found twenty miles away. The issue here is, is it even possible even if the plane vanished around the child at 450 knots?

Who said that that's what happened? Maybe she momentarily 'vanished' then 'returned' there?

Good point, I hadn't thought of that really. Kind of shocking but shouldn't have been. BTW, thanks for the links. I realize I'm late for this bang up party you folks got going on here.

So like what? These people are flying along and then suddenly some of them are somewhere's else for a while before being returned to this frequency and then they are left to fall out of the sky? Sounds like poor planning from the central committee for unified space time. There are those video's on youtube supposedly showing similar things, like cars coming out of nowhere. As if these were like the echos of a kind.

Or, are you suggesting that maybe they found a live kid in the desert 20 miles away that had been on the plane.
That would be a game changer alright.

I'm not even sure that's possible. I don't know of any cases where peoples bodies were found tens of miles away from a plane crash. Not even in war when plans blew up.

Again, we're not talking about regular mechanics here. This is something completely different.

Yes, again we are back to alternative realities, frequencies, dimensional teleportations. Almost seems verifiable by the
location of the bodies being so removed and the reports of disembodied voices.

Alternatively we once more have sudden drop in altitude, in fact it's like hitting a brick wall looking at the flight data.
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/9490/production/_86423083_russian_airliner_crash_chart_624.png

So one second you're flying with Bernoulli's principles of lift by vacuum and the next you're like not and falling like a brick.
Either the plane has just fallen apart around you or else your wings have decided to stop functioning according to accepted
physics.

Now though I'm leaning to another theory, and partly because of Putins intelligence and ability to use events to advantage.

What theory is that?

Well if it is a theory it's never let a good crisis go to waste. So like whatever brought down the plane is one thing, how to exploit the loss is another. Evidently it works to Putins advantage to support the Islamic Unabomber Theme.