Scandinavian observations and perspectives

I have often wondered why Denmark cooperated so easily with NAZI Germany during ww2, why was there no serious resistance when the occupation took place on April 9, 1940? It turns out the leadership of Copenhagen might have had an experience from the book of history to rely on, making them think twice while German planes were hanging over the capital.

During the Napoleonic Wars the British bombed Compenhagen twice. Worst was the event of 1807, known as the Bombardment of Copenhagen, see also Wikipedia. The British decided to attack the civilians of the town rather than the military installation.

The following is a translation of excerpts from a letter by the phycisist, H.C. Ørsted to his friend, the author Adam Oehlenschläger
http//www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/den-grusomste-krigsf%C3%B8relse-af-alle said:
We have undergone three terrible days and nights, in which a great part of the town has been destroyed, including the tower of Our Lady. Finally we are out of danger, but 20 ships-of-the-line and frigates have been the price of the salvation of the town ... This manner of conducting warfare is the most terrible of all, since one poured upon the town, over a period of 3 times 24 hours, more than 12.000 bombs, fireballs etc, without a defense being possible."
It was one of the first modern uses of terror bombing, by some sources called strategic bombing. Even though not much has been written about it, the bombardment of Copenhagen has not been forgotten by military historians and political analysts:
https://thestateofthecentury.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/attacking-first-lessons-from-copenhagen-1807-and-iraq-2003/ said:
April 28, 2013
Attacking First: Lessons from Copenhagen 1807 and Iraq 2003

The classic example of a preventive strike is the 1807 Battle of Copenhagen. Since this battle was used as a precedent for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, it only seems right to compare the two preventive attacks. [...]
First a note on definitions. A pre-emptive strike occurs when a state fears real foreign aggression, and thus attacks to gain the advantage in an impeding conflict. A preventative strike occurs when a state fears another state may change the balance of power against itself, and attacks to counter this.
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The modern view of pre-emptive and preventive war

Today both pre-emptive and preventive attacks are considered aggression, and both are considered illegal by international law unless approved of by the United Nations Security Council. Despite this preventive attacks still occur, from the Six Days War in 1967 (which actually can be considered both preventive and pre-emptive) to Operation Iraqi Freedom. Furthermore, the Battle of Copenhagen has been criticized heavily, being called one of the first terror attacks on civilian population in warfare. 2,000 civilians were killed causing US President Thomas Jefferson to memorably brand the British action as being “signalized by the total extinction of national morality.” Although there is little doubt the bombardment of Copenhagen was brutal, it is fallacy to hold military actions of the early-1800s to today’s moral standards. What must be remembered is that the Battle of Copenhagen was successful in preventing Napoleon from mustering a significant fleet, and thus Britain was never rivalled on the high seas. As such this preventive strike was thus used as a precedent for other preventive strikes, from the British bombardment of the French fleet at the Algerian coast at Mers el-Kebir in 1940 (to ensure the French fleet would not fall into Hitler’s hands) to the United States invading Iraq in 2003.
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Jefferson said 2000 lost lives, but it might have been less, at least this article says 300. Considering that the town only 17 years before had experienced a devastating fire, I guess the population was more on their toes than what one would usually find, and this may have prevented some losses.

The above excerpt could give rise to more comments, but sticking to my aim I conclude that when the Danish Government of 1940, with bombers hanging over their heads, gave in to the will of Nazi Germany, the event of 1807 played a role. Since 1940 little has changed but the names, the little freedom the Danish Government does have, has rarely been used, as brilliantly examplified by the previous prime minister and former General Secretary of NATO, Anders Fogh Rasmussen.
 
Without making this long, there were two articles in arbejderen.dk Arbejderen.dk]One explains how a Danish FM Martin Lidegaard in the beginning of 2015 moved actively to get the EU to counter "the massive Russian propaganda" including organizing a conference in Copenhagen to achieve this goal, and succeeded. The EU has an office with 11 people called the "East StratCom Task Force", which are to do surveillance of medias in the EU and outside. East StratCom Task Force works with Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty and so far it has collected 2500 articles with alledgedly "pro Kreml disinformation'".

To give you an example of "pro Kreml disinformation" I found this in their newsletter from September 20, 2016:

http://us11.campaign-archive1.com/?u=cd23226ada1699a77000eb60b&id=6faf648066 said:
Conspiracy theories on US terror

This week, Russian TV shows were active in reviving an old conspiracy theory. Fifteen years after the devastating 9/11 terrorist attacks, guests as well as hosts of Russian TV shows "Vremya pokazhet" and "Mesto vstrechi" stated that it was in fact the US itself that was behind the attack, with some claiming that Israel and Saudi Arabia were also involved in it (http://bit.ly/2cmst0s, http://bit.ly/2cvQFuZ). On the show "Voskresnyi vecher" it was claimed that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda never took responsibility for the attacks (http://bit.ly/2cmst0s). Of course, Bin Laden officially claimed responsibility in 2004 (http://bit.ly/2cfHs98).

The official 9/11 Commission report can be found here.
The news letter is called "Disinformation Review", another is called Disinformation Digest so there must be some truth in what they are saying ;)

It turns out that Martin Lidegaard is a member of the European Council of Foreign Relations http://www.ecfr.eu/council/members They explain about themselves:
http://www.ecfr.eu/about said:
About the European Council on Foreign Relations

ECFR is an award-winning international think-tank that aims to conduct cutting-edge independent research; provide a safe meeting space for policy-makers, activists and intellectuals to share ideas; offer a media platform to get Europeans talking about their role in the world. It was established in 2007 by a council of fifty founding members, chaired by Martti Ahtisaari, Joschka Fischer, and Mabel van Oranje, with initial funding from George Soros’s Open Society Foundations, the Communitas Foundation, Sigrid Rausing, Unicredit and Fride.

Inspired by the role American think-tanks played in helping the US move from isolationism to global leadership, ECFR’s founders set about creating a pan-European institution that could combine establishment credibility with intellectual insurgency. Today, it has over 50 staff from more than 20 countries, and receives funding from a wide range of charitable foundations, national governments, companies and private individuals.

It is useful to see how this is all connected.
 
Today there was this https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/05/norway-prime-minister-caught-playing-pokemon-go-parliament-erna-solberg
Norway's PM caught playing Pokémon Go in parliament

It’s not the first time a member of the government has been caught playing the game in the chamber, but this time it was the prime minister herself

Does the PM think Pokémon is the way to Go, Pokémon, the new consultant and external advisor? The action, which probably can be found elsewhere fails to impress as an example of responsible leadership.

BTW: On the Danish Wiiki https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bank it is claimed that Deutsche Bank is the international investment advisor for the Norwegian Oil Fund, it would not be unnatural, considering how much money there is in the fund and how big Deutsche Bank is. Does anyone know, if it is true?
 
There was this report on Sott.net reposted from Sputnik:
https://www.sott.net/article/335514-Denmark-to-withdraw-fighter-jets-against-ISIL-from-Syria-Iraq said:
Denmark to withdraw fighter jets against ISIL from Syria & Iraq
Sputnik
lør, 03 dec 2016 10:22 UTC
Danish foreign Minister Anders Samuelsen confirmed on Friday reports on the country's decision to pull seven F-16 fighters participating in an operation against the Islamic State (ISIL or Daesh) terror group in Iraq and Syria.

Earlier on Friday, media reported that Denmark decided to withdraw its fighter aircraft from military operations in Syria and Iraq due to their involvement in a US-led coalition airstrike, which accidentally killed Syrian army servicemen in September.

"Denmark offers a new form of cooperation to the coalition, so about 150 specialists will provide consultative help. Today we also informed the [parliament's] foreign policy committee that in 2017 the government will continue to support the coalition but, as it was earlier planned, will pull aviation," Samuelsen said, as quoted by the Foreign Ministry's press service.
Only a few days ago a reshuffle of the Government took place and more political parties now participate. I find it interesting that they have used the "misfiring" as an excuse to withdraw. It could be a way of saying, "Indeed we helped the US at Deir ez-Zor, but most of us did not have a clue about what was going on...." Or considering the developments in Eastern Europe, are they saving on the equipment for a different task next Spring? Or do they disagree with the no fly zone proclaimed over Syria by the US Congress? Or did the pilots and middle officers just tell their chiefs that they REALLY want to be home for Christmas, being sick and tired of working with ....
 
thorbiorn said:
There was this report on Sott.net reposted from Sputnik:
https://www.sott.net/article/335514-Denmark-to-withdraw-fighter-jets-against-ISIL-from-Syria-Iraq said:
Denmark to withdraw fighter jets against ISIL from Syria & Iraq
Sputnik
lør, 03 dec 2016 10:22 UTC
Danish foreign Minister Anders Samuelsen confirmed on Friday reports on the country's decision to pull seven F-16 fighters participating in an operation against the Islamic State (ISIL or Daesh) terror group in Iraq and Syria.

Earlier on Friday, media reported that Denmark decided to withdraw its fighter aircraft from military operations in Syria and Iraq due to their involvement in a US-led coalition airstrike, which accidentally killed Syrian army servicemen in September.

"Denmark offers a new form of cooperation to the coalition, so about 150 specialists will provide consultative help. Today we also informed the [parliament's] foreign policy committee that in 2017 the government will continue to support the coalition but, as it was earlier planned, will pull aviation," Samuelsen said, as quoted by the Foreign Ministry's press service.
Only a few days ago a reshuffle of the Government took place and more political parties now participate. I find it interesting that they have used the "misfiring" as an excuse to withdraw. It could be a way of saying, "Indeed we helped the US at Deir ez-Zor, but most of us did not have a clue about what was going on...." Or considering the developments in Eastern Europe, are they saving on the equipment for a different task next Spring? Or do they disagree with the no fly zone proclaimed over Syria by the US Congress? Or did the pilots and middle officers just tell their chiefs that they REALLY want to be home for Christmas, being sick and tired of working with ....

We must be on the same wavelength, Thorbiorn? This was just Posted in the Putin-Syrian thread, "only minutes" after you Posted the information above.

Last Friday December 2, Denmark has announced officially that it will suspend its participation in airstrikes on Syria and Iraq. In this press note of The Local, we read that Danish Foreign Ministry Anders Samuelsen stated that “We have decided to withdraw the Danish fighter jets as planned”.

Denmark Withdraws from Airstrikes in Syria and Iraq, allegedly against ISIS-Daesh
http://www.globalresearch.ca/denmark-withdraws-from-airstrikes-in-syria-and-iraq-allegedly-against-isis-daesh/5560109

A few days before, US top officials recognized errors during last operations, and in this note of The Local, it can be read that: Defence Command Denmark, the command centre for the Danish armed forces, released a short statement following the attack that confirmed that Danish fighter jets were part of the mission. The Danish forces said it was “of course unfortunate if the coalition mistakenly struck anything other than ISIL forces.
 
The Danish government has decided to withdraw seven F-16 fighter jets, which took part in an operation of the international coalition against the Islamic State terrorist group in Syria and Iraq.

US-led Coalition Collapses: Denmark Pulls F-16 Jets
https://southfront.org/us-led-coalition-collapses-denmark-pulls-f-16-jets/

The Danish authorities intend to withdraw seven F-16 fighter jets, which took part in an operation of the international coalition against the Islamic State (IS) terrorist group in Syria and Iraq, the RIA Novosti news agency reported.

A military commission, which investigated incidents of the US, reported that Danish aircraft participated in an airstrike of the coalition on September 17, when a number of Syrian soldiers were killed.

Danish Foreign Minister Anders Samuelsen and Defense Minister Claus Hjort Frederiksen decided to withdraw the fighter jets after publication of these data. Reportedly, the aircraft will return to the country in mid-December.

At the same time, the Danish government announced that it is going to expand its assistance to Iraq in counseling on engineering and construction works, which will be carried out by about 150 specialists.

As it is known, warplanes of the Danish Air Force started to carry out airstrikes on IS terrorists in Syria and Iraq within the framework of the operation of the US-led coalition in August of the last year.

On September 17, fighter jets of the international coalition bombed Syrian troops, who were surrounded by IS terrorists in the area of the Deir ez-Zor airport. As a result of the four airstrikes, 83 soldiers were killed, while more than 100 others were wounded.
 
The EU has an organ called European Union External Action https://eeas.europa.eu One of their activites is the East Stratcom Fask Force
https://eeas.europa.eu/headquarters/headquarters-homepage/2116/-questions-and-answers-about-the-east-stratcom-task-force_en said:
Why was the East StratCom Task Force created?
The task force has been set up following the European Council in March 2015, which tasked the High Representative to submit, in cooperation with EU institutions and Member States, an action plan on strategic communication in order to address Russia's ongoing disinformation campaigns
[...]
What is the disinformation/myth-busting network? How can I join?

The network is comprised of more than 400 experts, journalists, officials, NGOs and Think Tanks in over 30 countries reporting disinformation articles to the task force. To join the network, please contact the team mail box of the task force.

What is the Disinformation Review? Does it represent official EU positions?

The Disinformation Review is intended to raise awareness of disinformation. It is a compilation of reports received from members of the myth-busting network. It can provide valuable data for analysts, journalists and officials dealing with this issue. However, since the data mentioned in the Disinformation Review comes from the myth-busting network, it cannot be considered an official EU position.
Actually I already wrote some background on this organisation: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,39733.msg676782.html#msg676782 anyhow the organisation has now made some headlines in DK, since a Danish woman Iben Thranholm has been called out by the new foreign minister as spreader of Russian disinformation. One paper that has carried some of her articles also cover this story,
STEEN A. JØRGENSSEN in http://jyllands-posten.dk/politik/ECE9287669/udenrigsminister-blaastempler-eutaskforce-anklager-dansk-debattoer-for-at-sprede-russisk-propaganda/ said:
[...]

The Danish debater, and theologian Iben Thranholm have come in controversial company, after one of her op-ed has been stamped by the EU task force East Stratcom as pro-Russian misinformation. In the post criticized she, among other things, the EU of betraying christianity by granting asylum to refugees.

The task force's conclusion is shared by the Danish government, informed the minister for foreign affairs Anders Samuelsen (LA) during Wednesday's question time in Parliament.

[...]

Samuelsen replied in the affirmative on Marie Krarups questions:
"If the author is referring to the post from contributor Iben Thranholm, which was published by Russia Insider in October 2015, I agree with the task force's assessment that it constitutes a typical example of the Kremlin's narrative about the West's moral collapse," he said and referred thus to East Stratcoms justification to stamp this post as pro-Russian
[...]
That the one called out is a theologian, and a proclaimed Christian (Catholic), was not what I would expect as a first for DK. What I think this case will result in, is more power to the people that question the EU, their authority and how they administer the money and power which is given to them.

Basically, what the Danish FM is saying is that if we write something that can be interpreted by the policies of the East Stratcom task force, as coinciding with an opinion prevalent in Russian society and its leading figures, then we should be prepared to be labled by the EU task foce, supported by the Danish Government. What will this lead to?

I wonder if there are stories from Norway and Sweden of similar cases?

Edit: If you want to read what the Task Force publishes as examples of disinformation try https://euvsdisinfo.eu Analysis of the content of the newletter could be a subject for many posts, but does not belong in this thread.
 
Update on the case I mentioned in the previous post, I found a text in Russian and a video on this page:
https://russian.rt.com/world/article/350381-kremlyovskaya-propaganda-datskuyа-zhurnalistkа said:
Danish journalist Eben Trenholm accused of spreading Pro-Kremlin propaganda for a skeptical position regarding the EU's migration policy. In an interview with RT, she said that in Europe there is "a new political tool": the man credited with the relationship with Russia, thus discrediting, and after all his statements can be called the propaganda of the Kremlin.
In the video, there is a dubbed translation (from Danish to Russian) of the question and answer session in the parliament. Can be viewed at https://www.youtube.com/embed/eFlAY6421p4
Or in English:
 
thorbiorn said:
[...]

I wonder if there are stories from Norway and Sweden of similar cases?

Edit: If you want to read what the Task Force publishes as examples of disinformation try https://euvsdisinfo.eu Analysis of the content of the newletter could be a subject for many posts, but does not belong in this thread.
Did not expect I would answer the question in the affirmative but in a Norwegian paper Aftonbladet.no I found:
http://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/Svenske-medier-beskyldes-for-a-spre-russisk-propaganda--En-grotesk-anklage_-sier-kulturredaktor-612769b.html said:
Swedish media accused of spreading Russian propaganda. - A grotesque accusation, says cultural editor
THEA STORØY Elnan
UPDATED: 14.JAN.2017 5:48 p.m.
ISSUED: 12.JAN.2017 9:00 p.m.

Sharp media debate in Sweden about fake news, Russian influence and freedom of expression.

A new report from the Swedish Institute of International Affairs, published in the Journal of Strategic Studies, has created cultural debate in Sweden.

The report documents how Russia's attempt to influence Sweden in various ways through false news, disinformation, forgeries and military threats have increased since the conflict on the Crimean peninsula in 2014.

Russia's influence has been a much discussed topic in the media in the past, particularly in connection with US presidential elections. Last week they released US intelligence services NSA and CIA, as well as the federal agency FBI report that Russian President Vladimir Putin gave the order to influence the presidential election of Donald Trump's advantage. The methods they used were including hacking and the spread of Hillary Clinton's emails.

Both Aftonbladet and the Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter accused in the Swedish report for spreading Russian disinformation.

Among the examples of Russia's entry into the Swedish news as cited in the report, the articles in Aftonbladet culture section. Scientists believe several of the section's publications have a "narrative that is the Kremlin-friendly."

- This is grotesque accusations and clearly an attack on press freedom, says Åsa Linderborg, cultural editor of the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet.

A Russia-friendly narrative
The report says that Aftonbladet culture section in 2014 published more than 30 articles about fascism in Ukraine and criticism of the EU and NATO. For example, the fascists were the driving force in Ukrainian politics and that the referendum on Crimea reflected "people's will", which is to belong to Russia.

At least three contributors in aftonbladet's kulturseksjon be accused of being active in social media groups that the Kremlin-friendly. A journalist in the newsroom, a political refugee from Moscow, accused also of being a Russian agent.

-I have no word to express how serious this is [picture of Åsa Linderborg]
Linderborg does not agree with the accusations and think they are scary.

- It is clear we have written much about Ukraine, Putin and NATO. Why would we not do it when it's out of journalistic interest? I miss however hard facts and empirical evidence of what researchers believe to find. The report claims that if, for example, is against a Swedish NATO membership, so it's the same as being Putin-friendly, says Linderborg.

She thinks it's serious that state-funded researchers are attacking journalists to standards that do not fit "in their standard of what is right and wrong Russia-criticism."

- There is a serious attack on press freedom to hang out reporters to be Putin agents without special coating, just because they write things about fascism resurgence in Ukraine. I have no words for how serious this is, and it should be a matter for the whole media-Sweden, not only us, says Linderborg.

Must beware of conspiracies
The report has been discussed in many Swedish media since it was published on 5 January. Director of the Institute of International Affairs, Mats Karlsson, took yesterday distance of the report and underlined in an article published in Aftonbladet that the report was not released by the department, but the researchers' own initiative. This is referred to in the Swedish media that sensational, and the debate continues in Sweden.

Julie Wilhelmsen, senior scientist at the Norwegian Institute of International Affairs (NUPI), believes that among journalists is much talk about the existence of Russian disinformation also in Norway, but she has not yet seen evidence that it actually exists in the Norwegian press.

- Russia's driver propaganda and news channels that are extremely unidirectional, we know. The spread of so-called false news into the Norwegian public sphere, however, I have not seen examples, but I read the not everything written, says Wilhelmsen. [picture of Julie Wilhelmsen]

She warns media against speculating too much about this.

- There are many conspiracy theories that are out walking. This I am used to from Russian politics, but I am amazed at how conspiracy similar reasoning gets a foothold in the public debate in our western countries. Russia is capable of much. They engaged in disinformation, which all major states do. However, I have no hard evidence that this is such a widespread phenomenon in Norway as it is often given the impression, says Wilhelmsen.

She points out that we must ask ourselves what is disinformation and not.

- For example, I believe that it should be discussed on sanctions against Russia are an effective policy tool; is the opinion disinformation planted by the Russians or it is my honest opinion? There is an important distinction.

Lacking resources to scrutiny
Åsa Linderborg believes the Swedish debate in the wake of the report shows that the climate of the debate in Sweden has become narrower to navigate.

- Democracy requires that all opinions should be possible. This has become more difficult in Sweden in recent years because everything should follow a standard for what is called "correct" opinions. This debate is the latest example, says Linderborg.

She refers to the media industry's major savings in recent months, fewer journalists and less time for factual check as deterrents to take false news at the roots.

- We throw ourselves over reports and matters indiscriminately, and we publish to be first and to get the most clicks. We do not have the same resources to investigate cases before. They engaged in disinformation is mightier and more than journalists. But we must continue to be critical, says Linderborg.

- Evaluating our best defense
It has not yet succeeded Aftenposten to get in touch with the researchers behind the report. Aftonbladet says one of the researchers, Martin Kragh, that the current information flow higher demands to the authorities, politicians and the media's level of knowledge.

- This is not only a Russian phenomenon, but a phenomenon in the world politics, says Kragh to Aftonbladet, mentioning IS as an example.

In addition, says Kragh to Aftonbladet that the fear of disinformation can help to sharpen our source criticism, and so work to our advantage.
Lets see what comes out of this, will it be more control, self censorship, more political correctness, less debate?
 
thorbiorn said:
That the one called out is a theologian, and a proclaimed Christian (Catholic), was not what I would expect as a first for DK. What I think this case will result in, is more power to the people that question the EU, their authority and how they administer the money and power which is given to them.

Basically, what the Danish FM is saying is that if we write something that can be interpreted by the policies of the East Stratcom task force, as coinciding with an opinion prevalent in Russian society and its leading figures, then we should be prepared to be labled by the EU task foce, supported by the Danish Government. What will this lead to?

I wonder if there are stories from Norway and Sweden of similar cases?

Edit: If you want to read what the Task Force publishes as examples of disinformation try https://euvsdisinfo.eu Analysis of the content of the newletter could be a subject for many posts, but does not belong in this thread.

Good find, Thorbiorn.
Talk about witch hunt and STASI methods :scared:
In looking at the comments to the article, most if not all commenters are alarmed, so I think you are right so say that it might actually work against them and make more people question the EU.

In looking at the list, I found that quite a number of the articles had been handed in by a Ukrainian journalist Oleksandr Nykonorov from depo.ua. As a news outlet that acts as a defender of the Ukrainian pathological regime, it is not surprising that they have a journalist whose job it is (or part of it) to hand in names to the the EU blacklist of anyone who dares to talk badly about Ukraine or the US.

That the organisation is called East Stratcom task force, gives away that CIA is playing in this thing as Stratcom is an outlet for the CIA. Looking at this whole thing makes one want to look deeper, but it will be in a different thread as it is not specific to Scandinavian Issues.
 
Today I saw a headline in the Newspaper Jyllands-Posten about Marie Krarup, the Danish MP (Danish Peoples' Party) who came out to question the Danish Government on why they were okay with the journalist and theologian Iben Thranholm deserving a mention as a being a dispenser of Russian misinformation. It reads
in English, "Maria Krarup promotes Russia's case. It may cost a core voter or two." Her point is that the sanctions do much more harm than good and that they should be abolished. As one can sense from the headline she is in minority, at least the paper thinks so, due to the massive "presence" of neoliberals and Soros proxies, but one may expect that after Brexit, elections in France, Germany and a Trump in WH, she will be winning more votes than she will loose. On the inside of the paper, they already modified the title to "Analysis: Therefore, Marie Krarup speaks so strongly in favour of Russia"https://jyllands-posten.dk/protected/premium/indland/ECE9301273/analyse-derfor-taler-marie-krarup-saa-staerkt-for-rusland/ Just like in Ukraine there are signs that things are beginning to turn, even though a solution is still some distance away, it appears that similarly in Southern Scandinavia that some tiny seeds are beginning to sprout.
 
There was and interesting development
https://www.rt.com/news/375380-denmark-digital-ambassador-diplomacy/ said:
Tech diplomacy: Denmark to appoint world’s first ‘digital ambassador’
Published time: 28 Jan, 2017 09:26
Denmark will become the first country in the world to appoint a special “digital ambassador” to work on building ties with the globe’s tech giants, according to the country’s foreign minister.

These companies have become a kind of new nations, and we need to address this [tendency],” Foreign Minister Anders Samuelsen said in a Friday interview with Politiken newspaper right after a conference on the future of Denmark’s Foreign Service.
[...]
True multinational have taken over a lot of power, by appointing an ambassador. Does that mean that companies will have the status of nations, if they are sufficiently powerful?
 
As I have written in another post about the implications of the work of East Stratcom Task Force to track down Prokremlins in Denmark, there was Marie Krarup who supported Iben Thranholm by asking the FM why they Stratcom East thought Iben, should be labled a Russian troll. As a consequence of her even daring to stand up against to the idea that Russian sanctions might not necessarily be a wise idea, or that Iben does not by default deserve to be labled a Russian troll, just because East Stracom Task Force says so, she has come under attack, and quite a lot. Fortunately some are defending her, fx the theologian Kathrine Lilleør who has a written an article in http://kathrine.blogs.berlingske.dk/2017/01/29/fakta-og-marie-krarup/?_ga=1.129479567.283883404.1482072533

What they are defending is also the possibilility to discuss political issues and have a different opinion on political issues, who have the power to call you fake news, prokremlin troll, or what you say, Russian propaganda.

The shaming of first Iben Thranholm, then Marie Krarup, is problematic, because it leads us to a political one way street far more expressed than what we already have.

I don't know if Marie Krarup is becoming depressed, but I think she is realizing she is up against a lot of resistance, it is visible from the subtle way she expresses herself. To give you an idea, here is an intro showing what she wanted people to read - and you have to click on the picture to be able to read - followed by a short sentence "Let's hope history does not repeat itself."
Here is the essence of the message in the photo:
"A Danish book on the history of Russia explains that Napoleon, prior to his invasion of Russia, circulated a false will attributed to Peter the Great, saying that the rulers of Russian should gradually make Europe a subordinate. Using the will French diplomats forced Prussia and Austria while the Polish most willingly joined the invasion." In other words, if her readers want to follow her, they need to be curious and want to know. The problem for her is that people who do not understand can't follow her.

Then there was another post, which was a link to an article from the Danish State Radio. The link wass prefaced with a question.
"Why do we now need freedom of expression. Freedom of expression is a mess."

Knowing where she is coming from, being a teacher, being a politician, being a member of the society for freedom of expression, it is my interpretation that she is trying to get people to think. It works - for some - the responses reveal however that very many would be very happy for the EU to tell them what to think. They don't understand why she phrases the question the way she does, a couple seem slightly offended, "You don't mean to say?..."

Here are parts of the text she links to (after a machine translation):

The heading is
http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/udland/eu-tager-kampen-op-mod-rusland-vil-udrydde-falske-nyheder said:
The EU is taking the fight against Russia: Will eradicate false news Russian interference may come to create further instability in Europe - and this is precisely the aim, says DR's EUROPEAN correspondent.
During the us elections was false news and misinformation spread through social media - now the EU is trying to avoid the same thing happening during the upcoming european elections in the Netherlands, France and Germany. (Photo: Rick Wilking © Scanpix)
[...]
- So they have an interest in that, for example, Marine le Pen gets elected in France, because she has promised a referendum on EU membership within the first six months of her possible presidency. It would create great havoc in the EU cooperation.
[...]
Both in Germany and the Czech republic have introduced working groups to combat the false news.
In France, launches the French newspaper Le Monde 1. February a database that will make it easier for their readers to track whether a news item is false. The database contains 600 websites, which are known to spread the false news.
[...]
Also Facebook have after the us elections, set up an expert group, which will have the task to check the news that is being reported as being fake, just like the british media, the BBC has set up an editorial group to intercept and identify the false news.
 
There was this article on Sott.net https://www.sott.net/article/341875-Swedish-veteran-cop-rants-about-immigrant-crimes-on-Facebook-ignites-nationwide-row
Before that there must have been many others similar to: https://www.rt.com/op-edge/360675-sweden-migrants-police-zones/
An American film maker, Ami Horowitz, went to check it out and it was aired on Fox news: Filmmaker discovers 'no go zones' in Sweden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8bqWbJkTf8 The so-called no-go zones are denied any existence: http://www.thelocal.se/20160923/embassy-no-go-zones-do-not-exist-in-sweden-hungary

They don't exit, but there was this in another article:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09/24/swedish-police-admit-loss-control-55-no-go-areas/ said:
Police in Sweden continue to lose control of more suburbs in major Swedish cities as they have now admitted that there are more than 55 no-go areas where they have major problems enforcing the law.

According to a new report, crime rates are rising sharply in the no-go areas with police unable to react to crimes. Cases of thefts, sexual assaults, and gang violence are rising and Sweden’s top police authority notes the significant increase of migration in the past year and the number of crimes committed have seen a parallel rise, reports Kronen Zeitung

The report even mentions the number of attacks on emergency services workers has gone up as well. Police spokesman Peter Larsson reiterated the news from earlier in the week that suggested some 80 per cent of the police in Sweden were seriously considering a new career due to the escalation of violence and fear for their own safety.

“We do not come to solve crimes, because we are called daily to so many incidents,” Larrsson told Swedish media Thursday. The number of officers quitting the Swedish police force has also gotten to the point where three officers per day on average quit. The police who stay on are subjected to rocks thrown at them and random attacks in some areas on a daily basis.

One case was highlighted to show how the police are having a tough time solving crimes. Earlier this year multiple cars were set on fire by organized migrant gangs in the multicultural border town of Malmo, sitting at the Danish frontier and the first place of arrival for thousands of newcomers who come to Sweden by foot, car, and train. Police say that although over 70 cars were burned over multiple days, they’ve only been able to catch one suspect.

Sweden has become so violent and unstable in these areas that even migrants from war-torn countries like Somalia are considering returning to their own countries. One migrant who fled Somalia 20 years ago said simply that Sweden was a “war zone.”

There have been many suggestions as to how to deal with the increase in crime and the no-go areas. Police have said that increased funding and better wages will attract more officers to the job but some have even more radical ideas.

Incoming World Bank economic chief Paul Romer has said the best way to accommodate migrants is to purposely leave them to their own area in which police would simply not operate. Romer suggested an area the size of Hong Kong for the migrants to be allowed to live under their own rules outside of Swedish society.

There is this also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ido8bW5bAes The last movie has a clear message and argues that the situation in Europe is not socially stable in the long run.
 
thorbiorn said:
There was this article on Sott.net https://www.sott.net/article/341875-Swedish-veteran-cop-rants-about-immigrant-crimes-on-Facebook-ignites-nationwide-row
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On https://www.facebook.com/peter.springare/posts/10208300682343230 one can read the post, (as long as it is up). At the time of writing there are 6.3 k comments, 18.5 k shares and 43.5 k emoticons. Among the comments many are from Denmark, after news of popularity of the post was carried in Danish media fx http://jyllands-posten.dk/international/europa/ECE9350658/svensk-politimand-antaender-indvandrerdebatten/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter og http://www.b.dk/globalt/politimands-facebook-kommentar-saetter-ild-i-sveriges-indvandringsdebat
 
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