Scandinavian observations and perspectives

thorbiorn said:
There was and interesting development
https://www.rt.com/news/375380-denmark-digital-ambassador-diplomacy/ said:
Tech diplomacy: Denmark to appoint world’s first ‘digital ambassador’
Published time: 28 Jan, 2017 09:26
Denmark will become the first country in the world to appoint a special “digital ambassador” to work on building ties with the globe’s tech giants, according to the country’s foreign minister.

These companies have become a kind of new nations, and we need to address this [tendency],” Foreign Minister Anders Samuelsen said in a Friday interview with Politiken newspaper right after a conference on the future of Denmark’s Foreign Service.
[...]
True multinational have taken over a lot of power, by appointing an ambassador. Does that mean that companies will have the status of nations, if they are sufficiently powerful?

I was reading about it in the newspaper this morning and found the news both interesting and worrying at the same time. On one side, as the industry keeps on growing and constitutes an ever larger part of the economy, it is only natural that the government tries to improve ties with the tech community by opening a direct channel to it. Denmark is also trying to sell itself as a tech and innovation hub in order to attract foreign investors and create new jobs, which we have seen with the construction of data centers.

On the other hand, as social media turns into the platform of choice for news outlets and becomes more influential in shaping future trends, and given the country's stance towards Russia and alternative media in general, I fear that this new channel will allow the government to react more promptly against what it perceives as "fake news" and misinformation, while it will also enable the corporations to lobby the government and force it to do their bidding by threatening to cut jobs or relocate elsewhere.

Times are changing, though things aren't looking rosy.
 
In these years, refugees and economic immigrants have come to Scandinavia. To find out if any karma is associated with the influx, I tried to find out how many Scandinavians left for the US in mainly the 19th and early 20th century.

Norwegian Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Americans
"Between 1825 and 1925, more than 800,000 Norwegians immigrated to North America—about one-third of Norway's population with the majority immigrating to the USA, and lesser numbers immigrating to the Dominion of Canada. With the exception of Ireland, no single country contributed a larger percentage of its population to the United States than Norway."
[...]
(Norwegian Americans
4,642,526
Up from 13,000 in 1850
1.5% of the US population
[1])
Regions with significant populations
Midwest 2,273,683
West 1,552,462
South 545,699
Northeast 266,881
Minnesota 868,361
Wisconsin 466,469
California 412,177
Washington 410,818
North Dakota 199,154
Iowa 173,640
Illinois 171,745
Oregon 164,676
Texas 129,081
Arizona 124,618
Colorado 119,164
Florida 117,444
South Dakota 113,543
New York 92,796
Montana 90,425

Swedish Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Americans:
"They primarily include the 1.2 million Swedish immigrants during 1885–1915"
[...]
(Swedish descent 4,347,703 1.4% of the US population (2009) [1])
Regions with significant populations
Most Prevalent in the Midwestern United States
Plurality in Minnesota, Wisconsin, The Dakotas, Iowa, Michigan, New York, New England, and New Jersey

Danish Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Americans
"From 1820 and 1850, about 60 Danes settled in the United States every year. Between 1820 and 1990 there was a population of 375,000 Danes; a vast majority of whom emigrated between 1860 and 1930" [...]"Between 1864 and 1920, 50,000 Danes emigrated from Schleswig, Jutland, where the use of Danish language was banned in schools following the Danish defeat in the Second Schleswig War and Prussia seizing control. They were called North Slesvigers, however, most of these Danes are recorded in the census statistics as immigrants from Germany rather than Denmark."
1,516,126[1]
0.5% of the U.S. population (2009))
Regions with significant populations
Utah, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota and Wisconsin

There is also a page about Scandinavian Americans to sum it up and include a few more to the above lists:
Scandinavian Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_Americans
Scandinavian Americans or Nordic Americans are Americans of Scandinavian (in the broad sense), or part-Scandinavian ancestry, defined in this article to include:
Denmark Danish Americans, estimate: 1,453,897
Faroe Islands Faroese Americans, no estimates
Finland Finnish Americans, estimate: 677,272
Greenland Greenlandic Americans, estimate: 352
Iceland Icelandic Americans, estimate: 51,234
Norway Norwegian Americans, estimate: 4,602,337
Sápmi (area) Sami Americans, estimate: 30,000
Sweden Swedish Americans, estimate: 4,293,208
and people who have reported
'Northern European' ancestry, estimate: 230,027
'Scandinavian' ancestry, estimate: 582,549
making a total of 11,890,524 "Scandinavians".[3]

Finns are not linguistically Scandinavian, with the exception of Swedish-speaking Finns. Americans of Sami descent can be classed as either Norwegian, Finnish or Swedish, however, the Sami are not linguistically Scandinavian either. Despite originating outside of Europe, Greenlandic Americans can be classed as Scandinavian American due to close historical ties with Scandinavia, and because Greenland is one of the three constituent countries of the Kingdom of Denmark.

Quite a lot of people left, this is one sure conclusion. May one ask what happened to the area of the present US when people came there from Scandinavia? What happened to the world as a result of the influx of Scandinavians in the US?

In the beginning I mentioned karma, so what will happen to the Scandinavian countries as a result of the influx of the refugees and economic immigrants? What will happen to the world as a result of the influx of refugees and economic migrants to Scandinavia?

Do you have answers? Or shall we leave it at "Wait and see!" for the time being?
 
No matter what Trump will do, what he has said during the campaign and also after has created a stir in Europe which offers the opportunity for some people to reconsider their foundation.

In Denmark, like in several other European countries Trump has not been easy to accept, neither for the right nor the left. The left can agree on not liking Trump. Among the more conservative and right wing neoliberals the situation is mixed and there has been a furious debate, which today led to a member of a liberal think tank, CEPOS, leaving his post in disgust. He belongs to the group of opportunists or pragmatic thinkers, who have realized they will have to deal with what is in front of them, and that is President Donald Trump.
 
Recently there has been som news coverage of Swedish "no-go-zones". Perhaps that is why Norway is considering what to do, although they are not saying it directly
_http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.2527/norwegian-government-we-will-abandon-international-law-if-sweden-collapses.html said:
Norwegian government: We will abandon international law if Sweden collapses
Norway is prepared to abandon the Geneva Convention if Sweden collapses. The border will be closed by force, and Swedish refugees will be rejected without the possibility to seek asylum. "We are prepared for the worst," says Prime Minister Erna Solberg.

There is such an imminent danger that the Schengen agreement, and the asylum system in Sweden will break down, that Norway must have an emergency legislation in place in case it happens, believes Norway's Prime Minister Erna Solberg. Therefore, she has crafted a law that will allow for Norwegian authorities to reject asylum seekers who do not come directly from a conflict area.

This means that asylum seekers who want to come to Norway from Russia, but also from the other Nordic countries, will be denied the right to seek asylum, which otherwise is anchored in the UN Refugee Convention.

"It is a force majeure proposal which we will have in the event that it all breaks down, that the flow (of refugees) just comes, and they all end up in Norway, because we are at the top of Europe. Norway is the end point, is not it," says Erna Solberg in an interview with Berlingske.

The legislation will soon be presented to the Parliament, where it is expected to meet broad support, like the government's other tightenings of the asylum policies lately.

According to Berlingske, the Norwegian government has been heavily criticized by several commentators. The Bar Association in Norway, says it is a clear violation of Norway's so-called "international obligations", since it is contrary to the Geneva Convention to reject Swedes seeking asylum, without examining their asylum applications.

But Solberg defends the policy.

- We must take certain steps to prepare for the worst of scenarios, said the Norwegian Prime Minister to Berlingske.

The Danish government rejects introducing a similar proposal in Denmark, but follows the Norwegian emergency law 'very carefully'.
The border between Sweeden and Norway is 1630 km long: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93Sweden_border
The border with Finland is 736 km long https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland%E2%80%93Norway_border and the border with Russia is 195.7 km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93Russia_border All in all around 2561.7 km. In other words all the people of Norway can stand hand in hand along the border two times, or one shift in the morning and one in the evening. For a map of the border https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Norway_Borders.png
Here is more on the structure of the population:
_http://countrymeters.info/en/Norway said:
Norway population 2017

During 2017 Norway population is projected to increased by 67 243 people and reach 5 378 686 in the beginning of 2018. The natural increase is expected to be positive, as the number of births will exceed the number of deaths by 17 687. If external migration will remain on the previous year level, the population will be increased by 49 556 due to the migration reasons. It means that the number of people who move into Norway (to which they are not native) in order to settle there as permanent residents (immigrants) will prevail over the number of people who leave the country to settle permanently in another country (emigrants).

Population dynamics in 2017

According to our estimations, daily change rates of Norway population in 2017 will be the following:

171 live births average per day (7.12 in a hour)
122 deaths average per day (5.10 in a hour)
136 immigrants average per day (5.66 in a hour)

The population of Norway will be increased by 184 persons daily in 2017.
 
Last year I attended an event where one could interview people with an unusual background. I joined a group who met a Danish police officer that had converted to Islam in his younger days, now he was past 60. He volunteered with a group of people who were ambassadors for minorities. He as a convert, but there were other people of absolutely no religious background, former convicts, former drug addicts, homeless, victim of violence, autist, gay marriage etc.

During the very lively conversation in the group that had showed up to hear about being a convert, he talked about instances where he maybe also in his role as policemen had met youngsters who had said something or expressed something, that usually would not be tolerated in a Danish society, fx that one does not have to be honest with someone who is not a muslim. And he would go, "You did not invent that, did you?" Or "Who told you to say to?" No they did not invent it, it would mostly be an older person at the local mosque/ within the extended family.

So what is the situation in Denmark regarding Islam, immigrants. To cover it all is impossible, but at least som observation can be presented, if not in one post then in several. Here follows a summanry made of a documentary that was shown on TV2 in March 2016.

Documentary filmmakers in Denmark conducted an undercover investigation, with hidden cameras, into claims that imams are working towards keeping parallel societies for Muslims within Denmark.

Abu Bilal, imam of the Grimhøj mosque, told Fatma that her husband is entitled to take another wife. Fatma is not allowed to deny her husband his "sexual rights," even when he is violent.

The imam of the Hamad Bin Khalifa mosque gave Fatma the same answers she had received in all the other mosques: She must not take a job without her husband's permission, and even if her husband continues to beat her, she must not contact the police.

Umm Abdullah told Fatma that she should only meet with Danish people in order to tell them about Islam. This is necessary, she said, to save the Danes from hell, and the only reason Muslims should interact with Danes.

The issue of parallel Muslim societies has sparked renewed debate in Denmark after a three-part television documentary, "The Mosques Behind the Veil" was aired at the beginning of March on Danish TV2.

The documentary consists of an undercover investigation into claims that Muslim imams are working towards keeping parallel societies for Muslims within Denmark.

The filmmakers had two young Muslims -- brought from outside Denmark -- go undercover in Gellerupparken, an area best described as a predominantly Muslim ghetto in Aarhus, Denmark's second city. For three months, the two lived as a fictitious couple, Fatma and Muhammed, while visiting eight different mosques in Aarhus, Odense and Copenhagen -- the three largest cities in Denmark -- with hidden cameras. The goal was to hear what imams say behind closed doors about Danish law and authorities, gender equality and general contact with Danish society, such as Muslim women participating in the Danish job market. There are approximately 140 mosques in all of Denmark.

The film is similar in concept to the British BBC Panorama documentary, "Secrets of Britain's Sharia Councils," which aired in April 2013. The BBC went undercover to document the discrimination practiced in British sharia councils against Muslim women. (The existence of British sharia councils were no secret to the British; the Danish film, it turned out, documented a Danish sharia council for the first time).

For the purpose of the documentary, Fatma was given a personal cover story -- based on real-life dilemmas -- for which she would seek advice from the different imams: Her husband is violent, and she does not wish to have sex with him. She cannot get pregnant and his family has found a second wife for him. She consulted with a Danish girlfriend about the violence, which has left her bruised, and the girlfriend told her to go to the police.

What do the imams think she should do?

The series begins in the Grimhøj mosque. The mosque has been in the Danish headlines for years, especially since police statistics in 2013 showed that 22 out of the 27 Muslims from Aarhus who left to fight with Islamic State in Syria had frequented it. The head of the mosque, Oussama El Saadi, has, in fact, said that he hopes the Islamic State will win and that there will be an Islamic world government. The imam of the same mosque, Abu Bilal, was sentenced last year in Germany for inciting hatred against both Jews and non-Jews, and fined €10,000.

Fatma, during her visits to the mosque, learned from imam Abu Bilal that married women who commit infidelity should be stoned to death, and that Muslims who leave Islam may be killed. He makes no reservations about these teachings. She also learned that young children who refuse to pray should be beaten (a woman asks the imam specifically, how she should conduct those beatings). Fatma was also informed that a woman may not take a job without her husband's permission.

Abu Bilal further says that her husband is entitled to take another wife. Fatma is not allowed to deny her husband his "sexual rights," even when he is violent. When she asks the imam if she should involve the police, the answer is an emphatic "no."

Officially, the spokesman of the Grimhøj mosque, along with spokesmen from three of the eight mosques, professes that the mosque respects Danish law. But behind closed doors -- on hidden camera -- he advocates polygamy and beating children. He also instructs Fatma to go back to her abusive spouse and to let him commit what amounts to rape.

Fatma attended three other mosques in Aarhus, one of which publicly claims to be "moderate." All of the clerics gave her the same answers. Some told her that violence is not allowed, but made it clear that there is nothing she can do. The imam at the Fredens mosque added that she might be able to obtain a divorce, if necessary, from their sharia council.

Muhammed, reporting what he experienced in the mosques, told TV2 news that he had been warned in the mosques against the Danes; informed that they were kuffar (unbelievers), and that he should avoid them and their social functions, such as birthday parties. One imam told the couple that they should "not melt into Danish society," but simply surround themselves with other Muslims.

In Copenhagen, Fatma consulted the leader of the female section of the Islamisk Trossamfund mosque, Umm Abdullah. The claim at Islamisk Trossamfund is that it is in contact with several thousand Muslims every week, and thus among the biggest mosques in Denmark. Umm Abdullah tells Fatma that she must not go to birthday parties; there would be, she says, alcohol and mixed male and female company -- and she should only meet with Danish people in order to tell them about Islam. This is necessary, says Umm Abdullah, to save the Danes from hell, and the only reason why Muslims should interact with Danes. When Fatma asks her about her personal problems, Umm Abdullah tells her that she must not contact the police about the violent husband. "Why should you become a laughing stock in front of the infidels?" she rhetorically asks.

Fatma also went to see the imam at the Hamad Bin Khalifa mosque in Copenhagen, better known in Denmark as "Stormoskeen" ["the big mosque"]. Named after the former emir of Qatar and fully sponsored by him, it opened in 2014. The organization behind the Hamad Bin Khalifa mosque, the Danish Islamic Council, has claimed that the people who operate the mosque have chosen a moderate interpretation of Islam that is compatible with Danish society.

On camera, the spokesman from the Hamad Bin Khalifa mosque confidently assured the journalists from TV2 News that the mosque thoroughly respects Danish laws. He even assured them that women enjoy even better rights than men.

When Fatma spoke to the imam of the Hamad Bin Khalifa mosque, however, and filmed it with a hidden camera, she was given the same answers she had received in all the other mosques: She must not take a job without her husband's permission, and even if her husband continues to beat her, she must not contact the police. This most "moderate" of all the Danish mosques also advocated polygamy, and the right of the husband to his wife's body, even when she might prefer to refuse him.

One of the questions Danes are asking themselves after viewing the documentary, is whether Danish Muslims actually listen to the imams and do what they say. According to a poll conducted in October 2015, 40% of all Danish Muslims believe that the law in Denmark should be based solely on the words of the Quran and 77% believe that the Quran should be followed to the word. Ten years ago, the figure was 62%. The poll showed that 50% of all Danish Muslims pray five times a day; ten years ago, the figure was 37%.

While the working assumption has been that with time, Muslims would become less, not more, religious, these numbers fly in the face of the wish that Muslims might be comfortably assimilated into Danish culture.

At the end of the documentary, Fatma and Mohammed visit the sharia council -- which, since the documentary aired, has been dismantled, but others are believed to exist -- at the Fredens mosque in Aarhus. Here, Fatma pleads over ten times for a divorce from her violent husband, but the council refuses, telling her to go back home and try again.

These were exactly the same responses as those given by the imams of the British sharia councils in the BBC Panorama documentary from 2013. Genuinely abused women pleaded in vain for divorce, and sometimes had to wait for ten years to obtain it. The answers they received from the imam were identical with the answers that Fatma heard from the eight different imams in Denmark: Go back to your violent spouse and try to work it out.

TV2 presented the secret recordings to all the mosques that had been investigated, but the mosques refused to comment on them.

Instead, 31 Danish mosques and Islamic organizations decided to react to the exposure of their goings-on by collectively condemning the way that TV2 had portrayed the Islamic organizations in the documentary. The organizations held the TV station responsible for the "way that it was destroying the integration that the organizations had worked on for the past 30 years in Denmark" and claimed that "Danish Muslims are an integral part of Danish society and play a positive role in integrating Muslims into Danish society." They also reaffirmed that "Muslims have a right to seek advice about Islam, Islamic rules and Islamic sharia in Denmark."

The ongoing public debate that has followed the broadcast, shows -- unsurprisingly -- that neither politicians, opinion makers nor so-called "experts" have any workable plans for how to deal with what the TV documentary revealed. Some have suggested that imams get a special university education or go through a licensing process. Others have suggested closing the Grimhøj mosque -- an act that would doubtless be regarded as provocation, and one that would not solve anything in other, similar, mosques. Still other observers have suggested looking more closely at possibilities in the Danish constitution for dealing with the problem. One thing is clear: Denmark is as far away from solving this problem as the rest of Europe -- and it is not going to get any easier.
Related to the above there are two articles in English: ‘Stone women! Kill apostates!’ Denmark’s pro-ISIS mosque in new controversy https://www.rt.com/news/334028-denmark-mosque-stoning-adultery/
4 in 10 Danish Muslims want Koran to be used in Denmark’s lawshttps://www.rt.com/news/319150-denmark-muslims-koran-laws/

As mentioned, what has been observed in some places in Denmark has aso been seen in the the UK, fx as documented in the following video: _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEvMmAj4m5A Possibly this is the one referred to in the above article. The video gives much information about the role of Saudi Arabia.
 
This post continues the previous and gives examples of the difficulties in Denmark related to radical Islam. It also looks at the role and possibilities for the educational system to prevent violence.

It was said in 2014 that about 300 people from Sweden had gone to fight for IS, for Denmark I have read numbers, dated from August 2016 that 135 with certainty have gone of which 40 have been killed, but really the exact number is not known. _https://holmskjold.net/islamisk-stat-to-danske-is-jihadister-og-tre-amerikaner-meldes-draebt-i-syrien/. None of these Jihadist probably went without some preparations. Can the educational system not prevent this? It is not easy also because there are many factors involved. First of all there have to be teachers:

Tino Sanandaji was quoted in https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic said:
Stockholm, the capital, is a bit of a segregated city as it’s difficult for immigrants to move there given the higher cost of living. The ones who do tend to be the well integrated immigrants. Actually it could even go the other way because you could see a very strong “white flight” from towns that are becoming dominated by immigrants.

Research shows that the tipping point for that flight to occur is very low: after 4% of non-European immigrants the native Swedes start to move out.
Did many of the teachers, who were ethnic Swedes they had in Malmö move away because according to _https://www.dlfa.dk/Arrangementsarkiv/2017/3/job-i-malmo/ there are 5000 teachers in Malmö, of these 800 are unqualified and 280 positions are vacant. I don't know and is not able to answer the question, but on the Wiki about white flight there was
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight#Sweden said:
Detailed analysis of data from the 1990s onwards indicates that the concentration of immigrants in certain city districts, such as Husby in Stockholm and Rosengård in Malmö, is in part due to immigration influx, but primarily due to white flight.[58][59]

Provided teachers are available they also have some ideas about how they want to organize the classes. A teacher would usually like the pupils in a class to be friendly to each other, would like the parents to be able to cooperate with the school and with each other when it comes to matters relating to the organization of a class of students. If some pupils and parents infused with an ideological background like Saudia Arabian style Wahhabism then this will provide one more challenge like when some parents insist the kindergarden and school has to go all halal, no pork, bacon, seperate bathing facilities etc then it becomes more difficult. Of course it can also go the other way if some teacher insist on a halal school.

There can also be challenges for students. For instance, there was an article last year about a Danish nurse who wrote a book about her son, who ended his life as a martyr for Islamic State. Here are some excerpts
Caroline Kamil in _http://www.b.dk/nationalt/lones-soen-doede-for-islamisk-stat-det-kunne-vaere-gaaet-saa-meget-anderledes said:
[...]A young man's suffering

Victor began the journey away from the normality earlier.

In 6. grade (11-12 years old) the young boy suddenly did not want to go to school. He ran off from school and played World of Warcraft for hours throughout the day. It was then that Aarhus as a part of a strategy to disperse the bilingual children, drove the rough kids from Gellerupparken in buses out to the city's other schools – including the one Victor attended.

The arab boys were much more developed and so violent, that many of the more quiet students were downright afraid to be near them. For Victor the fear was so extreme that he refused to leave the home.During several months Lone Kristensen literally had to sit behind him in his room, while he played World of Worcraft, and report on, the life that was going on outside the front door, he dared not go out.[...]

It was in the midst of his depression, that he began to pray.

In the beginning Lone Kristensen was happy. She saw prayer as a kind of mindfullnes, which in any case was far better than the bloody computer games. When he suddenly only wanted to eat halal meat, she assumed a supportive role and joined him on a visit to the "Bazaar West" and bought Arabic food.

But as the weeks went by, Lone Kristensen suddenly knew less and less about what was going on in Victor's head and suddenly he announced that he would move out to one of his friends, who lived in Gellerupparken. A few months later, that he wanted to join a koran school in Egypt.

The development took less than half a year.
[...]
In the book the mother says her son might as well have joined Jehovah Witnesses, Scientology or even played for a soccor club with enthusiasm if he had found a great trainer. She is mainly blaming the school system, which was not prepared to help out. She wrote the book for others to learn from her experience, and she thinks the most important thing is to combat bullying in schools. Bullying was the reason her son did not want to go to school anymore.

This brings us back to the role of the teacher and the challenges of living, teaching, educating and bringing up children in an area with a heavy conservative islamic influence. A teacher I had at college a few years ago, told about a friend of his who was teaching, or rather had been teaching at one school in the Gellerup area near Aarhus. In one class he insisted on one of the students to respect the school policy regarding the use of cell phones. The student threatened with his big brothers, and sure enough after school they and their friends were waiting for him ready to beat him up, even though this teacher was close to two meters and by all normal standards a very solid man... This teacher had to move his place of work, and it was not his fault.

The above articles were from March of 2016, the story of my lecturer might have transpired in 2012, what about 2017?

IS has committed killings and rapes: Grimhøj-spokesman won't condemn THOMAS NØRMARK KROG & DENIZ SERINCI | BT@BT.DK 31. JAN. 2017 - 21:00
Spokesman and the imam of Aarhus mosque refuses to denounce Islamic State killings and rapes. The victims in Iraq, worship Satan, he says.

The disputed Grimhøj mosque in Aarhus now declare themselves neutral in relation to the terrorist group Islamic State (IS) crimes against women.

Even if IS has killed, kidnapped, and raped thousands of women and girls in northern Iraq, the mosque's spokesman and the imam Oussama El Saadi refuses to condemn the attacks on behalf of the mosque.

"I don't deny that IS has done what they have done. But whether it is right or wrong according to islamic rules, I can't answer that. I'm not ulama (islamic scholar, red). So it is a judgment from me. May I say that it is bad, and then there is a fatwa (religious opinion red.), giving them permission. And I will not say anything against my religion, so it depends on what situation you are in," says the spokesperson in an interview with BT.

So you are neutral?

"I can't answer and say whether it is right or wrong. I can't say no, for I do not know the situation. I don't know which fatwa they have. So if I say that it is wrong, so I make maybe a mistake."

The most important thing is islam

He says, however, that the IS’ actions personally, for him, is not easy to accept here in 2017, but at the same time, he stresses several times in the interview that the personal is unimportant as compared to what islam says.

"For me personally it is a hard thing. According to islam, the ulama, who should take the position, because we as muslims don't care about the personal opinion. The most important thing is that you take into account what islam says," he says.

When I ask you as a spokesman for the Grimhøjmoskeen, you distance yourself from what IS has done in the Yezidir or not?

"No, we do not take distance from anything. As I have said to you in this interview, we are neutral."

Grimhøjmoskeen have several times been in the spotlight. Several terrorist suspects, muslims have had their time at the mosque on Grimhøjvej, including three men, who according to the PET planned to murder Muhammad cartoonist Kurt Westergaard. In 2014, it came forward also, that 22 out of 27 of the syrien warriors from East Jutland had had their time in the mosque. Moreover it caused quite a stir, when the TV-2 program series ’the Mosques behind the veil’ showed how an imam in the mosque, taught the muslims about stoning and whipping.

According to Hussein Qaidi – leader of the kurdish ’Office Kidnappedes Affairs’ in northern Iraq – 6.413 Yazidis were (Yazidi is a pre-islamic religion, ed. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidis]) captured by IS in the summer of 2014. Of these 3.691 Yazidis are still held.

Out of the liberated Yazidis 1,100 are in Germany in order to receive psychological and drug treatments.

In this regard, Michael Blume, a doctor and leader of the treatment, expresses to BT, that ’90 percent of women have been raped’.

One of them is an only 8-year-old girl who was sexually abused hundreds of times by the IS militants.

The delicate balance

Professor of islam and koranstudier from the University of Copenhagen Thomas Hoffmann evaluates the statements as a tacit acceptance of Islamic State's crimes.

"The spokesperson's silence and so-called neutrality on this issue of IS can be interpreted as a tacit recognition of IS' crimes, which sends a signal to the whole congregation around Grimhøj. It is also typical for announcements from the spokes person, that they are narrowly balanced within the framework of the law," he says and adds:

"By avoiding to take the position, he risks not to get to denounce the sharia-laws that allows slavery and sex slaves. Indeed, it is central to the special literalist and salafist version of islam, which the Grimhøj mosque subscribe to."

The world over, the vast majority of muslim organizations and mosques distance themselves from IS’ actions.

The Grimhøj spokesperson's neutrality also disturbes the chairman of the Ezidi cultural Association in Denmark, Yilmaz Yildiz.

"I'm shocked that an imam can sit in Denmark and can't take the distance from the things that are perpetrated in the name of islam," says Yilmaz Yildiz, and reject completely, to the Yazidis worship the devil in any ways. The alleged adoration of the devil is the reason that IS is pursuing Yazidis.

Directly asked the Grimhøj spokesperson tells the reporter, that he has the same attitude.

"You can't call them muslims ... Yazidis. I think they worship Iblis (the Devil, red)," he says.

The answer of the spokesperson makes Yilmaz Yildiz concerned on behalf of the approximately 500 yezidi, who are staying in Denmark. Several of them have relatives kidnapped by IS.

"He thinks like IS. With these opinions Saadi legitimizes the IS' persecution of us and makes us a target for other fanatical muslims," he says.
Most of what I have written is regarding cases from Denmark, for some perspective about the situation in Sweden check for posts in the thread about Donald Trump:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,43576.735.html
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,43576.750.html
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,43576.765.html

Education is important for preventing violence, but as we have seen, when some groups add an education that apparently encourages violence in quite an outspoken manner, it adds to the issues presented by the organisation of a class, its pupils and parents. Besides there are also videogames and violent movies, add to this EMF pollution, gmo, poor diet, poor daily routines, a changing cosmic environment and the state sponsored violence supported by NATO wars throughout the last 25 years.

It is no wonder then that there has been a rather rapid increase of violence in Danish schools according to _https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/se-5-konkrete-eksempler-paa-vold-i-skolen from January 16th, 2016 and now from January 26th, 2017 _http://www.tv2lorry.dk/artikel/minister-vil-stoppe-laerervold-jeg-kommer-til-agere-paa-det

The violence includes pupils against teachers and pupils against other students, but also parents against teachers. The cases of teacher violence against students are rare. In Denmark there is no school police as we read in reports from the US, but does it really have to go that far?
 
Today there was this story from Sweden about the case from last year which concerned three students/victims, two of whom raped the third who happened to be a 14 year old girl.

If you think this description is a bit twisted, then you are right. For more details of how the Swedish social system and public opinion had to work in order to come to a new understanding then details are available here:

_http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/sweden-muslim-classmates-gang-rape-14-year-old-girl-remain-school-rapists-victims/ English
_http://www.friatider.se/v-ldt-ktsm-n-f-r-g-kvar-p-offrets-skola-rektorn-de-r-ocks-offer
_https://ledarsidorna.se/2017/03/ann-heberlein-valdtaktsmannen-om-brott-straff-och-vart-rattssamhalle/ The last two are in Swedish, so most will need a translation machine, but the first one gives a summary.
There are updates on the above case also in Swedish
_http://www.sydsvenskan.se/2017-03-07/pojkarna-bakom-valdtakten-flyttas-fran-skolan
_http://www.sydsvenskan.se/2017-03-07/skolinspektionen-har-hittat-flera-brister-i-kommunens-agerande
_http://www.sydsvenskan.se/2017-03-07/lundaflickan-har-svikits-dag-efter-dag
_http://www.sydsvenskan.se/2017-03-07/l-maste-bli-lattare-flytta-forovare-i-skolan
_http://www.sydsvenskan.se/2017-03-07/gustav-fridolin-ett-bra-nytt-beslut-av-lunds-kommun

This case obviously gets a lot of attention, and by translating the comments one can get some insight into how people think about it.

Next is an article about a riot Monday between to different immigrant groups where the police was called _http://www.friatider.se/ogonvittnet-claes-om-invandrarkravallerna-i-hallsberg-sverige-haller-pa-ramna Eyewitness Claes about the immigrant riots in Hallsberg. Sweden is about to break.

The next day, Tuesday there was a problem in the same part of town. Police came, shots were fired, it is not known by whom; in any case two people are dead. _http://www.friatider.se/polisen-avlossade-skott-i-sundbyberg-tv-d-da

Swedish police estimate 12.600 immigrants stay in Sweden illigally: http://www.friatider.se/polisen-tusentals-illegaler-g-mmer-sig-i-sverige

In the grand scale of things, the above incidents are of limited reach, but they lead to some reflection among Swedes, following the press coverage in the US of the no-go-zones.

Over the last week, I have noticed serveral traffic serious traffic accidents in Sweden mentioned in the headlines. Is it coincidence, bad weather, or is Sweden at a cross road?
 
The links to the reports below are mostly in Scandianvian languages, I hope the reader if interested in more details uses a translation machine.

Sweden apparently is moving from political denial to general acceptance regarding the rising problems:
_http://www.aftenposten.no/norge/politikk/Anna-Kinberg-Batra-om-Sverige--Vi-har-omrader-der-kriminelle-gjenger-har-tatt-over-616819b.html said:
GARDERMOEN (Norway): Anna Kinberg Batra (M), who is hoping to become Sweden's next prime minister, acknowledges that the country has serious problems with criminal gangs.

– We have areas where criminal gangs have taken over the power. The power we have to take back, " says Batra (46) to the newspaper Aftenposten.

Political leader of the Moderates visits Conservative [party of Norway] on Thursday.

At home in Sweden the politicians take a stand regarding the constant flow of new messages about gang murders and violence in and outside of Sweden's largest cities. [...]

In Sweden's capital Stockholm, the police is on high alert because there have been several murders in recent days. They are now investigating 47 murders: _http://www.b.dk/globalt/massive-problemer-svensk-politi-undersoeger-47-drab-i-stockholm

In the evening of March 10th, a bomb-like explosion occured in a car in Stockholm: _http://www.b.dk/globalt/politi-efterforsker-mulig-bombespraengning-syd-for-stockholm

And a similar incidence in Göteborg: _http://www.gp.se/nyheter/g%C3%B6teborg/explosion-i-g%C3%B6teborg-polisen-vi-misst%C3%A4nker-att-det-%C3%A4r-ett-spr%C3%A4ngattentat-1.4191715

On February 13th,2017 it was reported that Malmö Police claims 205 named very young criminals rule the local underground: _http://www.b.dk/nationalt/205-purunge-kriminelle-styrer-malmoes-underverden

In Sweden two 13 year old friends had a serious discussion, they used knives, which drew blood and one died: _http://www.b.dk/globalt/13-aarig-dreng-bag-drab-paa-jaevnaldrende-i-svensk-by

From a Norwegian newspaper there is story about a Swedish woman born in Sweden to immigrants form Afghanistan and Pakistan. Her story reads as a if her family environemnt drew a page of from the daily social life of a rural village in Pakistan or Afghanistan, but it happened in Sweden, in one of the parallel cultures: _http://www.klassekampen.no/article/20170308/ARTICLE/170309881

A Swedish music band have written a song about rape in response to the local situation:
_https://www.thelocal.se/20170310/first-aid-kit-release-furious-anti-rape-anthem-listen-here said:
First Aid Kit just released a furious anti-rape anthem: listen here
Swedish folk pop sisters First Aid Kit have condemned sexual violence in a startingly direct song far from their typically melodic sound.

The track, 'You Are The Problem Here', addresses an unnamed rapist who walked away with a lenient punishment. And fans of First Aid Kit may struggle to recognize the duo behind the loud and dark music.

"It's angry and direct. It's a song written out of despair. After reading about yet another rape case where the perpetrator was handed a sentence which did not at all reflect the severity of his crime we felt upset and vengeful," sisters Johanna and Klara Söderberg wrote about the track.

"We were, and are, sick of living in a society where the victims of rape are often blamed for the horrible thing that has been done to them. Our message is clear and should not be controversial in the least: if you rape, you are the problem. Alcohol is not the problem. So called 'youth culture' is not the problem. You are. And you always have a choice."

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0esbbnY5Xvw&feature=youtu.be

The track was released for International Women's Day in support of this year's theme, Be Bold For Change, and was made available on all digital platforms on March 10th, with some of the proceeds going to non-profit humanitarian organization Women For Women International.

And fans already seem to have taken to the song.

"Nice job!" commented one on their Facebook page.

"THIS is the kind of music that's needed during this dangerous time in our history. For many reasons, not lost I'm sure, on most that will listen to this song. We are lacking 'heroes' in music today."

"I love it so much," wrote another. "It is [the] feminist anthem we need right now!"

A third wrote: "Wow, this is the most scathing First Aid Kit song I've ever heard. Badass."

Johanna and Klara Söderberg, from the outskirts of Stockholm, have released three award-winning albums as First Aid Kit and are currently in the studio working on their next album.

Some of the events that happen in Sweden now, do not come out of nowhere. They are the results of developments that occured earlier. Similarly their solution will take time, perhaps even a very long time. The following piece of news could be a clue: Recently a live naval mine from the 1931 was found near Stockholm, it was subsequently safely towed away and detonated by the 4th Naval Warfare Flotilla's clearance divers: _https://www.thelocal.se/20170310/mine-found-near-stockholm-swimming-spot-contained-explosives
 
In the adds from Youtube there appeared one from a local military intelligence service! _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI2Gb4MR-7U They are looking for people who would like to join one of their units occupied with hacking. In the short add, there is some kind of a morse like code, which some then write about in the comments. The goal of the project is to protect the country...

This add, if the date had not been edited, was put out on the 7th of March, the same day that WikiLeaks released Vault 7 (_https://www.facebook.com/wikileaks/photos/a.206387512729702.43344.108734602494994/1259251814109928/?type=3). Coincidence?

Vault 7 is also located on an island in the North Atlantic/Arctic belonging to Norway, the country from where the present NATO General Secretary is coming from. Here is a post about what Vault 7 is: _http://www.anonews.co/wikileaks-vault-7/

Vault 7 is also a very heavy American metal band. No kidding! _http://vault7music.com/music/ or _https://www.reverbnation.com/vault7/songs

Is the US ready to Rock n Roll, with regard to Vault 7 release or consequences, then Vault7 may have something on offer; they actually released their first disc in January shortly before WikiLeaks began to talk their Vault7. How is that for timing?

Vault7 likes WikiLeaks (advertisement or is it deeper):
_https://www.facebook.com/vault7music/posts/1837754926436147
_https://www.facebook.com/vault7music/photos/a.1582354235309552.1073741828.1544733695738273/1837277136483926/?type=3
 
Apparently rightwing radicals took som cinder blocks, made cement and with a wall closed the Russian bank Sber Bank's office in Kiev. The police looked on and found no violation and no reason to interfere. This was reported on Russias Channel one in a matter of fact way with video etc. Also activists arrived in Kharkov to make sure no coals enters Ukraine through the border with Russia.

The US is finding ships for Ukraine to attack the Southern border of Novorussia: https://dninews.com/article/us-providing-ukraine-ships-continue-attacks-coast-dpr

Apparently a singer, Julia Samoylova from the town of Ukhta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukhta), confined to a wheel chair, will represent Russia at the Eurovision song contest in Kiev. Good luck to Julia.

https://youtu.be/7etEjF67M58
 
Today there was an article in a Malmö newspaper complaining that the politician in Stockholm only react to the increased violence now after 5 people were killed in two days in Stockholm last week. They are unhappy because they have had problems with violence in the center of Malmö since quite some time, but the politicians in Stockholm did not do anything. _http://www.sydsvenskan.se/2017-03-15/malmocentern-rasar-forst-nar-det-skjuts-i-stockholm-vaknar-regeringen

Since the 29th of February of last year there have been 15 murders in Malmö and 150 investigators (sv mordutredare (150 sounds like a lot)) are employed trying to solve the murders according to _http://www.sydsvenskan.se/2017-03-15/mordutredning-kopplas-till-internationellt-gang

15 murders in one year in Malmö corresponds to 3/100,000.

Now there were 5 murders in two days in Stockholm last week, if there would be 2,5 murders per day in all of Sweden every day, that would translate to 9/100,000 inhabitants, a little less than the averages for Russia in 2013 (varies a lot between the regions), Togo, Gabon and Chad, Gambia, a little more than Nigeria and comparable to Togo according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
 
For placing Scandinavian languages in a historical context, this youtube is informative The North Germanic Languages of the Nordic Nations

https://youtu.be/9YeiV9jOs-UThere are quite a lot of comments, which qualify the statements expressed in the video.
 
Below are a few trends from Scandinavia, but articles will need a translation machine. Much of what goes on here is like in many other European countries, but of course there are individual flavours:

In Malmö, a town with ap 300.000 people, they have many migrants and also a criminal underground, which is well developed compared to the average situation in many towns of similar size. Today there were reports about Denmark being a transit country for weapons going to Sweden: _http://www.bt.dk/danmark/politikere-er-rystede-bestialske-mordere-i-sverige-faar-vaaben-fra-danmark Among the weapons there are revolvers and all the way to automatic weapons and grenades. According to this article, a criminal in Malmö's Rosengaard, home to 24,000 people can find a weapon in a very short time: _http://www.bt.dk/krimi/vaaben-stroemmer-ind-fra-danmark-skaffede-en-kalashnikov-paa-15-minutter-i-sverige

In both Danish and Norwegian papers they mention a the return of poverty for segments of the populations: _ http://www.aftenposten.no/norge/Ett-av-ti-barn-i-Norge-vokser-na-opp-i-fattigdom-Det-gir-utslag-pa-de-fleste-omrader-av-barns-utvikling-617095b.html _http://www.arbejderen.dk/indland/vi-skaber-n%C3%A6ste-generation-af-fattige and Nordic countries are not alone: _http://www.arbejderen.dk/udland/flere-fattige-tyskere-%E2%80%93-og-st%C3%B8rre-ulighed

In the latest negotiations in Denmark between the employees and employers within the sector of construction, they are now discussing increasing the working week to 42 hours. For many it was down to around 38, for a few years.

There will be elections in Norway this September. One of the candidates from Socialist Left Party of Norway, who had around 4% in 2013, proposes that Norway should not accept that Norwegian NATO soldiers will be under the control of Donald Trump in the Middle East: _http://www.aftenposten.no/norge/politikk/SV-aksepterer-ikke-at-norske-styrker-i-Syria-er-under-Trump-kontroll-617418b.html There are only about 60 soldiers, not a major force, but to float the idea of not wanting the US to call the shots, and tell their allies where to bomb, is a new development.

Regarding Erdogan's ideas that Turks should get 5 children etc, there is some discussion in a couple of Danish papers: Readers think Erdogan has many supporters, as the newspaper poll estimate it at 85%: _http://ekstrabladet.dk/nationen/erdogans-faa-5-boern-opfordring-skaber-vild-debat-glistrup-fik-ret/6581069# and _https://www.facebook.com/ekstrabladet/posts/10154571347813520 As one can read from the many, many comments fueled by Erdogans words resonating with a warning from a right wing populist of the 1970ies and 80ies

Some of the local Turkish people also belong to Erdogan's opposition, and see the situation a bit different: _https://www.information.dk/moti/2017/03/tyrkisk-valg-europaeisk Much could said about all this, but let's wait and see what happens. One way or the other things will change: Government statistics: Almost 20% of Danish newborns in 2016 have foreign mother https://www.sott.net/article/345551-Government-statistics-Almost-20-of-Danish-newborns-in-2016-have-foreign-mother
 
A few observations:
ISIS is loosing territory in Syria and a new regime of passport control in the EU is to be put into force October 7th, but some parties in Denmark close to the Government wish to have it put into force now, because they expect more ISIS soldiers will come to Europe and the ones they intend to catch are the Danes that went to Syria: http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/partier-kraever-skaerpet-paskontrol-i-lufthavne-nu The government is not in a hurry.

Regarding ISIS they are not wanted back, still some have been helped inadvertedly, since 36 were caught in 2016 receiving social benefits while fighting for ISIS _http://jyllands-posten.dk/indland/ECE9244245/danske-syrienkrigere-har-modtaget-penge-fra-statskassen/ but the is not all. It has been revealed that a group of Spanish and Danish jihadist have svindled about 7,5 million Euro. This happened between 2008 and 2013 and when asked there is a period where the Minister of Justice can't say anything, he is not forthcoming. Usually when such things happens, it is because he can't, ... we don't know why, previous cases have involved the participation of other agencies, foreign state agencies. Is this the case this time?

Another observation was that the Danish FM was very upset about Trump and his treatment of CNN,_http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/fungerende-usa-ambassadoer-om-samuelsens-tweet-vi-kan-klare-aerlig-snak It would not be wrong to say that Denmark has a CNN faithful government, a Deep State faithful governemnt, a NATO faithful government.

The allegations of Clinton and Macron about Russian hacking of their elections is valued as hard currency, not that it is forgotten to mention that it is an allegation, but it is repeated so often that the word "allegation" has become and euphemism that no one considers. What is important is what follows the word "allegation" which is "russian interference", against which "something must be done". As examples of how the fire of antagonism is kept hot, from July 4th there is a headline saying that "Germany expects a revelation of a Russian hacking before the election" _http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/udland/tysk-regering-venter-russisk-hacker-afsloering-inden-valg And today July 9th, Danish medias gives the words of John McCain regarding Russia and Putin a prominent place The message is " "Putin must pay for interfering in elections".
I found it in most of the major papers, it is like a carpetbombing in the information war, and probably originated with Reuters: _http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-mccain-idUSKBN14J1LW
_http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/udland/mccain-putin-skal-betale-blande-sig-i-valg
_https://www.b.dk/globalt/mccain-putin-skal-betale-for-at-blande-sig-i-valg
_https://www.information.dk/telegram/2017/07/mccain-putin-betale-blande-valg
_http://politiken.dk/udland/art6028332/Putin-skal-betale-for-at-blande-sig-i-valg
_http://jyllands-posten.dk/international/usa/ECE9713452/mccain-putin-skal-betale-for-at-blande-sig-i-valg/
_http://www.bt.dk/udland/mccain-putin-skal-betale-for-at-blande-sig
_http://sn.dk/Verden/McCain-Putin-skal-betale-for-at-blande-sig-i-valg/artikel/668542 and more ?
Boersen and Ekstrabladet did not (yet) carry the story, they have different profiles, the first on money and the latter on sports, sex and entertaining stories. What the last did have and nobody else was a story about Putin flying to the G20, but avoiding the Baltic states and Poland, instead he flew from Russia, touching Finland, Sweden and Denmark. See _https://twitter.com/pugaciauskas/status/883268436603928577/photo/1 and _https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-96022/#dfd7811

Just today there was an article _http://finans.dk/finans2/ECE9655598/10-aar-efter-finanskrisen-danskerne-taber-hvert-aar-200-mia-kr-paa-finanskrisen/ saying that the crisis of 2008 continues to influence the economy, to the tune of 25 billion Euro a year.... It has to be said that some local people involved with finance actually learned from this event beyond decrying their losses. They were lucky.
 
Only yesterday, I wrote about the Danish medias. Today, there was an article from berlingske.dk which caught my attention:
"Then came the day when Trump was ridiculed in his own party for cooperating with Putin" ("Så kom dagen, hvor Trump blev latterliggjort i sit eget parti for at samarbejde med Putin" ) _https://www.b.dk/globalt/saa-kom-dagen-hvor-trump-blev-latterliggjort-i-sit-eget-parti-for-at-samarbejde-med

Much of the Danish press gives extraordinary amounts of negative attention to Russia, Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump and apparently do not believe in any cooperation that leaves Russia as less than a vasal of western dominated financial interests. One may wonder how this can be, and there are probably many explanations. Much of the Danish media or their journalists obviously do not take notice of signs as expressed in the following two articles:

https://www.sott.net/article/355922-CNNs-disgraceful-downfall-may-be-one-of-the-most-momentous-events-happening-in-the-world-right-now or https://www.sott.net/article/355874-Rachel-Maddows-fake-news-scandal-Her-proof-of-Trump-Russia-collusion-was-a-hoax does not register. CNN continues to be the authority.

In the instance of the article in Berlingske, the journalist faithfully reported the gist of the headlines from CNN, a screen dump of the top section of the front page of CNN has been attached, because it changes all the time:
"Trump's back from Europe to confront political storms in DC
NYT: Trump's son met with Russian lawyer
Trump appears to back away from cybersecurity effort with Putin
Donald Trump Jr. responds to NYT report
Did Trump buy Putin's no-meddling claim or not?
'Trump not seen as world leader at G20'"

If some of those journalists read my complaints, some of them might argue that this is what the US press said. Yes, and? I looked up foxnews.com, washingtonpost.com, newyorktimes.com None of them were as negative as CNN and Berlingske Media and the state owned dr.dk which repeated Berlingske. It is just plain shameful, if not upsetting!

The Sott article about CNN's disgraceful downfall has a video that inspired me to do some research. For context here it is:

https://youtu.be/34LGPIXvU5MThe video is about the US, so what about the Danish medias and Berlingske, that published the article, I mentioned at the beginning.

Belingske is part of Berlingske Media which owns many newspapers in Denmark, and an influential radio, Radio 24/7, as can be seen from _https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlingske_Media Berlingske is not owning itself.

Berlingske Media is owned by the Belgien media publishing company, De Persgroep: _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Persgroep#Denmark which also has papers in Holland and of course Belgium. From the same Wiki there is "Persgroep Netherlands the publisher of Algemeen Dagblad, de Volkskrant, Trouw and Het Parool." and in Belgium: "Het Laatste Nieuws, daily De Morgen, daily De Tijd, financial daily (co-owned by Rossel) L'Echo, French-speaking daily (co-owned by Rossel)". So far vi can say that much of the Danish, Dutch and Belgian medias are owned by a company in Brussels, which is like a capital for the EU and hosts the headquarters of NATO _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels In a European context, Berlingske Media is like a provincial news outlet.

De Persgroep is owned by the Van Thillo family. The CEO of De Persgroup is Christian Van Thillo _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Van_Thillo and that is the end of the ownership line.

Now, how is Christian Van Thillo connected? "Christian Van Thillo is a member of the Belgian business club "Cercle de Lorraine _https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cercle_de_Lorraine and _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cercle_de_Lorraine which lists a number of notable members:
Baron Georges Jacobs, Union Chimique Belge
Luc Bertrand, Ackermans & Van Haaren
Frank Beuselinck, DHL BeLux
Karel Boone, Lotus Bakeries
Baron Daniel Cardon de Lichtbuer
Baron Dominique Collinet, Carmeuse
Viscount Étienne Davignon, Société Générale de Belgique
Baron Paul De Keersmaeker, Interbrew
Count Jean-Pierre de Launoit, Axa-Royale Belge
Jean-Marie Delwart, Floridienne
Baron Paul de Meester, Besix
Rik De Nolf, Roularta Media Group and VTM
Chevalier Claude Desseille, Winterthur group
Count Diego du Monceau de Bergendal, GIB Group
Baron Donald Marc Fallon, Cimenteries CBR
Baron Albert Frère, Bruxelles Lambert group
Jean Gandois, Suez
Count Maurice Lippens, Fortis
Gérard Mestrallet, Suez Lyonnaise des Eaux
Baron Baudouin Michiels, Kraft Foods
Baroness Solange Schwennicke, Delvaux-Dujardin group
Michel Tilmant, ING Group
Christian Van Thillo, De Persgroep
Roland Vaxelaire, Carrefour Belgium
Baron Maurice Velge, Velge International
Luc Willame, Glaverbel
Philippe Wilmès, Société Fédérale d'Investissement
On the English Wiki it reads "The Cercle de Lorraine or Club van Lotharingen is a Belgian business club, located in Brussels, Belgium. The club was founded in 1998..."
[1998 was not an easy time for the rich and powerful of Belgium, if you recall the Dutreaux affair _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux.]

If one translates sections from the French Wiki one finds:
...The institution has recently been opened to the international community, to be a relay of the image of Belgium in the EU and the world.
The Cercle de Lorraine objective is to view it as a place of exception, elitist, reserved for personalities most representative of the business world, the political representatives and economic, diplomatic personnel as well as a number of licensees of the professions. All members have been approved by a Committee of an equality of votes.
[...]
To complement this new dynamic, the Circle of Lorraine launched the " Club33 "4, a club of sponsorship of 33 companies from the top level in line with the positioning and the philosophy of the Circle. Their goal ? Support financially and strategically, the Circle with a status of a privileged partner.
...
The choice of number could be an indication that the traditions are kept.

My conclusion is that when reading information published by Berlingske Media, at least when it comes to foreign policy, EU/NATO/US/Israel I can check up on CNN and aligned medias, the press releases from NATO and the EU, and I will probably find that what is presented is a faithful summary. Compared to the hot water that CNN has been in, there are few signs this will happen to Berlingske Media any time soon. As a result, the chapter being written in the history of EU/Scandinavian/Danish history is already borrowing a script from the pages of the work on political ponerology by Lobaczweski, so far not in the sense of freeing, but in sense of binding.

In this post, I took Berlingske as a case and found the threads and connections. The same type of analysis could be carried out for other medias in other countries like in Norway and Sweden... anywhere. I like to think the grass is greener at my neighbours... let's hope it is.
 

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