Schizophrenia, The Work, etc

[Jsf]

But I'm not so sure what was interpreted as "mean" was actually so. I think Zadius was asking a simple question.

Okay, no problem.

What I think I understood from it is that the books, the knowledge contained within, would cause a domino effect. Was this the theme?

Yes, and just fun. And to show that we are not the same person.

You seem rather defensive for a reason I cannot clearly see - or, perhaps I am misinterpreting you.

Perhaps I'm defensive, yep. I badly interpretated Zadius's message, and I'm the scapegoat of Laura :D.

What do you mean by 'eternally discuss our group'? What group?

Of our forum, we were together one week to read and discuss about some topics.

 

[j0da]

Jsf, I don't think you are anybody's scapegoat. There were some things unclear and you were asked for clarification - that's it. What I do not understand is why this "clearing up" takes so long. Also what's up with you posting under each other nicknames - it's confusing. I think it would be appreciated if you just tried to keep some order in your posts, guys.

 

[Beau]

You could avoid posting under someone else's profile if you made sure to log in whenever you visited the forum. It doesn't make much sense to come here and attempt to post without first logging in. That would eliminate the problem since you would notice that someone else using the same machine has not logged out of the forum yet. Unfortunately, one cannot just close the browser/tab to log out.

 

[Azur]

Or dumping your cookies "logs" you out.

If using Firefox, this is fairly easy to do, one click.

 

[Jsf]

Errare humanum est

 

[anart]

Yes, and just fun. And to show that we are not the same person.

Have you had issues with someone thinking you are the same person?

Of our forum, we were together one week to read and discuss about some topics.

Ah, interesting, are you the leader of your 'forum group' - or, looks like you call it the 'Opus Network'? I have always personally considered it a rather daunting task to lead such a thing, realizing that I don't yet know enough to do so without vectoring things to my own subjective understanding. What is your take on that, or is it something you aren't concerned with. Do you interact with the French QFS discussion group and forum?

Hopefully you don't consider my inquiries to be 'eternally discussing your group' - so you won't be defensive about them, I'm just curious.

 

[mudrabbit]

I'm the scapegoat of Laura :D.

Could you please clarify this statement?

According to Webster's
Main Entry: 1scape·goat
Pronunciation: 'skAp-"gOt
Function: noun
Etymology: 1scape; intended as translation of Hebrew 'azAzEl (probably name of a demon), as if 'Ez 'OzEl goat that departs--Leviticus 16:8(Authorized Version)
1 : a goat upon whose head are symbolically placed the sins of the people after which he is sent into the wilderness in the biblical ceremony for Yom Kippur
2 a : one that bears the blame for others b : one that is the object of irrational hostility


No one here has been hostile. Rather we're all asking for clarifications of your comments. And politely at that.

 

[henry]

Errare humanum est

Maybe, but being responsible is a quality that one can aspire to and work on achieving. There are mistakes, and there are errors that happen when one is not aware and paying attention to what one is doing. When publishing in a public forum where someone's name or handle is attached to the message, it is worth making the effort to be responsible.

 

[John G]

I think Jsf and friends could stand to have a more serious attitude at times, especially with regards to questions from moderators. The Cs saying to enjoy your front row seat does not mean this is fun and games. Ark had some issues with Jsf's seriousness when Jsf first showed up and Ark is rather understanding when it comes to language barriers. Some time in the French forum might not be a bad idea.

 

[mudrabbit]

I wonder why he's gone silent and not replied to the questions. I, for one, am still waiting for clarification.

Anart also asked for clarification about his forum. I'd also like to understand that one as well.

Peg

 

[mudrabbit]

Not letting this one slide to the bottom of the list.

Jsf, Please clarify those questions asked of you. We are waiting.

 

[Jsf]

Ah, interesting, are you the leader of your 'forum group' - or, looks like you call it the 'Opus Network'? I have always personally considered it a rather daunting task to lead such a thing, realizing that I don't yet know enough to do so without vectoring things to my own subjective understanding. What is your take on that, or is it something you aren't concerned with. Do you interact with the French QFS discussion group and forum?

Nop. A few years ago I made a sort of conceptual system, which is still in evolution but had included some Gurdjieff's ideas and also Castaneda's, Nietzsche's,...
Before discovering cassiopaea, and these other authors, I had in project to put into practice my 'conceptual' system that was designed to, at the beginning, to help gifted children.
Now I have reoriented this work to fit with a wider view and other systems of other people, and a book is on the way.

And don't really understand what sort of "clarification" you need, so I'm confused.

There are mistakes, and there are errors that happen when one is not aware and paying attention to what one is doing. When publishing in a public forum where someone's name or handle is attached to the message, it is worth making the effort to be responsible.

I didn't saw that I'm still was under HMY's session. And I couldn't delete the post after that. Everybody (not you ?) could do the same error, nop ? That I am "responsible" or not, that's your choice.

Also, as I said before, I always have some difficulties to express myself in english, and cannot explain well. It's why I don't write much. But of course, it's not an excuse.

So, if I have some precise questions that could help to "clarify", I'll try to answer.

 

[mudrabbit]

And don't really understand what sort of "clarification" you need, so I'm confused.

This:

What do you mean by 'that's mean'? I didn't see anything 'mean' at all.

What do you mean by 'eternally discuss our group'? What group? You seem rather defensive for a reason I cannot clearly see - or, perhaps I am misinterpreting you.

Then for HMY to come in and try to make it look like mean = me in, that just didn’t make sense.

And this one:

Yes, and just fun. And to show that we are not the same person.

That question was asked AFTER the fact, so this was not one of the reasons. It was the reason the question was asked in the first place.

And this one has still gone unanswered:

(snipped) I'm the scapegoat of Laura :D.

What exactly did you mean by that statement?

What do you mean by 'eternally discuss our group'? What group?

So you haven’t really clarified a thing until these issues are addressed. So tell us about your group. Anart asked you a specific question regarding this.

Yes, we will discuss your group because we have asked about it and so far, you have not been totally forthcoming.

Also, as I said before, I always have some difficulties to express myself in english, and cannot explain well. It's why I don't write much. But of course, it's not an excuse.

By the way, you seem to understand the language well enough to write it coherently. I haven’t misunderstood a thing you’ve said. The grammar and punctuation are good. But it still needs clarification.

Peg

(added) And if you have a problem explaining in English, there are enough people here that speak your language to translate for the rest of us. So a language barrier is not an adequate excuse.

 

[Jsf]

Then for HMY to come in and try to make it look like mean = me in, that just didn’t make sense.

I'm not responsible for what HMY says. I said (friendly) it's "mean" because I interpretated his (Zadius) message as "mean", and, it was not, as he said. It is still a problem ?

That question was asked AFTER the fact, so this was not one of the reasons. It was the reason the question was asked in the first place.

I don't understand ? The reason 'before' the fact, what is ? It is "Why Laura had suspect me and HMY to be the same person" ?

(snipped) I'm the scapegoat of Laura big_smile.

What exactly did you mean by that statement?

In french, in the sens "souffre-douleur", not "bouc-emissaire". Because I don't see why there is a such effort to clarify all the things on everything that I say. I don't understand ether why there is 3 pages here ! Perhaps it's the moderator's work to find if someone is completly "clear" or not. I can understand that.

So you haven’t really clarified a thing until these issues are addressed. So tell us about your group. Anne asked you a specific question regarding this.

Yes, we will discuss your group because we have asked about it and so far, you have not been totally forthcoming.

I already said (the group) was structured by some people of the opus forum (but we are currently searching for (one or several) physical place(s)).

(added) And if you have a problem explaining in English, there are enough people here that speak your language to translate for the rest of us. So a language barrier is not an adequate excuse.

Yep, of course. If somebody can translate some answers more elaborated, if needed, it would make it more easy for me to communicate.

 

[mudrabbit]

Then for HMY to come in and try to make it look like mean = me in, that just didn’t make sense.

I'm not responsible for what HMY says. I said it's "mean" because I interpretated his message as "mean", and, it was not, as he said. It is still a problem ?

Never was, I was simply asking for clarification of your statement that Zadius question was "mean"...then HMY acted as clapper to "correct" your statement. Do you see how your associations can complicate things for you? All I was asking of you was WHY did you think the question was "mean" ? You still have not explained WHY you thought it was mean, just that you thought it was mean.

That question was asked AFTER the fact, so this was not one of the reasons. It was the reason the question was asked in the first place.

I don't understand ? The reason 'before' the fact, what is ? It is "Why Laura had suspect me and HMY to be the same person" ?

You were asked if you two were roommates because it showed you two in the video, then later you stated that you used the video to show you were not roommates. How did you know this question would be asked of you? The video is the reason the question was asked in the first place, so you used the reason to answer the question.
1. Video shows the two of you together.
2. Zadius asked if you were roommates.
3. You implied that you used the video to prove otherwise. But the video came before the question, so how did you know you would be asked this?

Laura asked a question because of the IP address similarity. That one was answered...eventually. But it confused the forum, and you were being vague about it.

(snipped) I'm the scapegoat of Laura big_smile.

What exactly did you mean by that statement?

In french, in the sens "souffre-douleur", not "bouc-emissaire". Because I don't see why there is a such effort to clarify all the things on everything that I say. I don't understand ether why there is 3 pages here !

Because it confused us. Confusion distorts things. I don't speak French, but would appreciate if someone else here who does, would please look up the French translation of "scapegoat" and see if the definition is the same in French as in English. I would imagine it would be.

And the reason we take the effort to clarify things is so we have correct knowledge. Considering the title of this thread, should it not be clarified?

External consideration was not at play here when you made that statement.

So you haven’t really clarified a thing until these issues are addressed. So tell us about your group. Anne asked you a specific question regarding this.

Yes, we will discuss your group because we have asked about it and so far, you have not been totally forthcoming.

I already said (the group) was structured by some people of the opus forum (but we are currently searching for (one or several) physical place(s)).

That still tells us nothing ABOUT the group. What do you study in the group? What conclusions have you come to? Will you compare your findings with ours so we all can get a more rounded view? What is the progress you've made with said group, and what experiences show that you are on the right track, as far as the information goes? Is your group colinear with this one? What do you discuss?

As you can see from other posts (see Esoquest) this is an important function of disseminating knowledge. If we don't clarify and break it down, how can we hope to help others? How can we hope to understand it ourselves?

(added) And if you have a problem explaining in English, there are enough people here that speak your language to translate for the rest of us. So a language barrier is not an adequate excuse.

Yep, of course. If somebody can translate some answers more elaborated, if needed, it would make it more easy for me to communicate.

If a French speaker here would be so good as to assist me with these questions? Perhaps we can get past the language issue. Thank you.

I'm not attacking you, Jsf, simply asking, so that others here will also understand. Perhaps you might want to spend a little time on the French Forum to see what this is all about.

Peg