Hindsight Man said:
I find the idea of self representation very interesting.I mean,we can theorize on how it may affect us/our lives,but coming from a practical viewpoint,what can we do exactly?I mean,this brings up the question of what is beauty exactly?I'm sure that many members here have many different ideas and styles that they would find beautiful.Wouldn't it vary based on age group/nationality/general background?If we choose to not identify with this world,that means anything to do with popular culture at all goes immediately out the window.No star wars or what have you.But does that extend to varying time periods?Like if you like Victorian era clothing for example,does that go out the window?What are we left with?Do we make up our own style?How do we do that if all options are off the table?I suppose that for those who can,we can start by focusing on diet and exercise to tone our bodies,but what of hairstyles?Or makeup for those who wear it.I think it'd be pretty odd (if funny) to suddenly start wearing a toga.I suppose that we ought to dress in a way that differentiates us from the ''norm'' yet isn't ''loud'' or offensive,but that's easier said than done.
Well since Mouravieff focuses so much on women's clothing let's take a look at that. I was always kind of fascinated by the styles of the noblewomen in medieval movies. Their clothing and hairstyles conveyed a sense of elegance and grace that accentuated their feminine beauty. Such styles do not exist today except in very formal circumstances; the push has been toward a unisex look, and the feminine clothing that does exist today in the main seems to say "I'm hot, come and get me boy!" From a male perspective, it's like being attracted to a woman because of her grace as opposed to being attracted just because she makes you irresistibly horny. I think Gurdjieff makes this distinction beginning on page 981 of Beelzebub's Tales, where he talks about "woman-mothers" and "woman-females." Basically the difference is that a woman-female has all of the outward characteristics of femininity but none of the substance, while a woman-mother is still capable of transducing the "goddess" energies and has a more objectively nurturing essence. So I think on a practical level you kind of identify what sort of attitude the clothing puts out, and whether that could be seen as representative of being or nonbeing in that particular circumstance or neutral. For example, I don't see anything wrong with a woman who wears blue jeans and a T-shirt, but to me it doesn't add anything to her femaleness, nor does it really clash with it either the way a dress does on a man. I think the point is to choose clothing that has some taste or meaning, as opposed to something that provokes a mechanical response or seems representative of disintegration. Of course this description is only one specific instance, Bjorn gave some other contexts which I thought were equally valid.
As far as Mouavieff's bit about judging the deformities of the personality by the deformities of the body and making clothing to compensate, that's way out in theoretical land for me. I don't think there is anyone who can do this. It would take a person with an artistic sort of 6th sense who had a deep grasp of the 4th way concepts and then the Cassiopaeans would probably have to fill in the blanks in terms of technique and practice; assuming the notion is even factual.
It is interesting you mention Togas, because I thought they were cool. When I was first exposed to metaphysical ideas, I imagined certain grand councils meeting to discuss things and they were all wearing Togas, basically. It is also interesting you mention Star Wars because that idea sort of got carried through when you look at the Jedi Council. I wonder if there is some underlying principle being subtly conveyed in that story. On a more practical note though, I can't see wearing a toga around in public though, it would just draw way too much attention.
Since we're on the subject of art, I've found the recurring themes of elves and goblins in fantasy literature kind of interesting. Elves are usually portrayed as very fair, educated, and long lived beings who originated high culture and have the deepest understanding of magic. All of their technology seems reflective of nature and their cities blend seamlessly with it. Goblins on the other hand have very crude technology and behave more like Neanderthals. The elven society seems much more in touch with some higher creative force, while the Goblins are rather entropic. Sometimes you can have dark elves too, which seem to pop up as commanders of different species. Humans are depicted as somewhere in between. I wonder if the underlying principle that these writers tap into is some kind of distorted cross conceptualization of different densities and the STS/STO duality. Goblins represent a more devolved and fiercely STS state of humanity, while elves lead a naturopathic sort of quasi-4D existence where there are both STS and STO elements. The orientation of each side is fairly obvious through the relative elegance of the things they build. Humanity is stuck in the middle, with elements of both sides. Tolkien's Silmarillion even reads like a pseudoesoteric work.
Since the thread seems to be more about MariuszJ than the session at the moment, here's my take on the situation. I think MaruiszJ came here with a lot of new age baggage and because we talk about a lot of the same things and use some of the same terminology, he thought it would be easy to just jump right in and understand what we are talk about from the perspective we talk about it. There are some major lies sandwiching a few half-truths in his belief system, and I think he's starting to feel at some level that his belief system doesn't match the objective reality and that's why he finds himself in the situation he's in. First of all there is MAJOR, MAJOR identification with this aura photo thing. Yes, the conventional wisdom is that purple means you are supposed to be very advanced, I think the Ra material even says something similar when describing different chakra ray activations. However we know that material is very love & lighty and requires some serious discernment to discover what was more or less clear signal and what was the biases of the channeling team. MariuszJ got this alleged aura photograph and then read that it means he's a higher level soul and it became his central narrative. Whenever something goes wrong in his life, it is interpreted against the narrative of "I'm so advanced, and I'm from a higher density, and the lower vibrations of this density are so incongruous with my native vibration that I can't interact with it." Another subjective blinder in his belief system is "only positive experiences are acceptable." Some time back he wrote that he wondered if he could be excused from his mission because of the darkness of the world around him. Then, when I brought up the subject of negative emotions, he discusses realms where there are only positive emotions and that he doesn't really experience the negative ones. (I don't think it's true by the way, and I think he does deep down at some suppressed level) Then we go back to being a Wanderer and how that explains all of his misfortunes. All of his beliefs are filtered through his attachment to that aura photograph. If he would set that thing aside for a moment and acknowledge the possibility that it might be lead bar painted to look like a gold brick he would be a lot easier to talk to, but he is so attached to it that everything you guys try to tell him just bounces off. Now the narrative seems to be "Problems I talk about are too difficult for you to understand and you feel uneasy because I'm so much more advanced than you." He's so convinced that his aura makes him special, that anytime anyone comes close to challenging that narrative he views it as an attack. I have brought it up once again and I'm sure it will galvanize him even more. I try to leave the mirroring to the mods, because I'm being blunt here, and I'm sure this will be seen as just another attack. Maybe he really is advanced, but we know how this reality favors the stranglehold of the false personality. Until he can get out of it to a degree and deal with the problems of this reality, he is no different than the ordinary baseline human.
I think MariuszJ's cup is full, and it will take a "bankruptcy" to get him to let go of that aura identification. As far as finding a partner goes, I don't think he stands much of a chance of the true love type of relationship until he does some work to get out of his subjective bubble. If he does not want to do this, his best bet is to wait until some new agey type girl comes along and they can agree on things and it will be fun for awhile, but sooner or later he will end up right back where he is.
