Session 10 October 2015

zak

Dagobah Resident
Laura said:
Session Date: October 10th 2015

Laura, Andromeda, and Galatea at the board

Pierre, Perceval, Niall, Chu, PoB (Possibility of Being), Data, Scottie, Approaching Infinity, Timótheos, Alana, Heimdallr, Nicolas, Noko the Wonderdog, Kitty the Cat

Q: (L) Today is the 10th of October, 2015. I guess we should ask if anybody's there?

A: Alogmgna of Cassiopaea. Many changes in process and more to come.

Q: (L) Okay. "Many changes" in reference to what?

A: Global politics and cosmic yet to fully descend. Most of the political changes transpire behind the scenes.

Q: (L) In other words, there's a lot more going on than meets the eye?

A: Oh indeed.

Q: (L) Anything further on that, or does anybody have questions?

(Perceval) Well, the changes that we can see, are they indicative of the kind of changes that are happening behind the scenes?

A: If you connect the dots correctly.
(...)
Q: (L) Well we had a funny talk the other day where we speculated that we moved into a different timeline. In previous years, we were in a timeline where there was not or could not be a Putin - or at least a Putin as he is in this one. Then, somehow some way, we moved ourselves into a different timeline. Well, I know it's a little egotistical to say that our efforts to send a signal could have shifted us into this other timeline and in effect helped with the manifesting of the changes of today... Is it a possibility that we helped even in a small way?

A: More than you have given yourselves credit for!

Q: (L) Alright. So, when I gave these talks here at these meetings we had a few years ago, and I described making a decision to help and just do one thing after another, day after day; in making such choices one day after the other, will this gradually move you step-by-step to a different timeline?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So it's accumulation of daily steps, daily choices, daily activities?

A: Yes and it would be extremely beneficial if more of your members learned and practiced this.

Q: (L) Can you be more specific about that?

A: For those who find themselves in a life situation that is less than desirable or optimal, small daily acts that declare their affinity for another reality will accumulate and trigger a phase transition.

Q: (L) Well, okay... You've said steps, daily steps. You don't like the reality that you're in so you look around yourself and you see things about your reality that you don't like... I mean, what kind of first daily steps can you take? If you're in a reality that's freaking controlling you and everything around you, how can you take steps? So many people are in situations where they can't even do that sort of thing. What kind of steps can people take at the most basic level?

A: Changing the mode of self-presentation and self-representation is the most basic.

Q: (Galatea) So like, changing habits?

A: Yes

Q: (Galatea) Changes in lifestyle here and there.

(L) Yeah, changes in your lifestyle?

(Perceval) Changes in your mode of self-presentation is kind of like what you identify with, ya know? It gets into what we were just talking about earlier. If a person is wearing clothes that identify him with a certain aspect of common popular culture, then if you are at odds with the world at large because of the insanity and suffering, that would be one of the first things to change: you identification with “popular culture”.

(L) So in other words, if you are not at home in the world the way it is and the way it has grown and the way it has developed, you need to put yourself into a different world NOW with small changes.

(Perceval) And at least stop identifying with this one. All the aspects that popular culture today pushes on people as means to identify with the reality of this world and what makes it tick - which is all kind of depraved and dysfunctional... And people absorb that and they start wearing clothes, and speaking differently, and that's all nothing but identifying with a manufactured aspect of this world and culture.

(L) Hairdos, clothing...

(Perceval) Anything.

(L) If you want to be part of a completely different world... In a sense, it's kinda like some of these people that belong to these organizations that like medieval stuff. So, they all get dressed up, and they have meetings, they have mock battles or whatever.

(Perceval) If there's enough bleedthrough, those people are gonna find themselves living 400 years ago! [laughter]

(L) And then dress: the whole Gothic thing, painting their nails black, and that identifies them with that “Goth” reality, so that's the timeline that they'll go into...

(Galatea) So basically, be the change that you want to see.

(L) Yeah. Be the change you want to see. I guess begin to model yourself on the people that you want to be LIKE or be WITH.
(...)
(L) So these are the kinds of small changes people can make. And by making these changes, what then happens?

A: Will attract the new reality incrementally.

Q: (Chu) I guess it's like becoming a better antenna for what you want to attract. Your outward appearance and how you present yourself... But then they said self-representation? That would attract the reality. It already exists somewhere, so it's not like you create it.

(L) You move yourself towards it by activating it in your own life.

(Perceval) We've been trying to attract a reality where the USA gets its ass handed to it... [laughter]

(L) And it looks like it's happening!

(PoB) But there are still people in this reality for whom what's going on now is not the most desirable development. So, why are they here if they didn't work towards this outcome?

(Perceval) There's probably a merging or overlapping of realities...

A: Many splits and merges yet to come. Keep in mind that such transitions can be rather chaotic as you have learned.

Q: (L) Not only chaotic, but I think that you can be... I dunno how to explain it. Remember all the crap and chaos we went through with this police investigation, the fiscal audit, and all that? Everything was just chaotic then. It's like when you're in this disconnected state where you're trying to leave where you don't want to be, and you're trying to go to where you want to be, and you become suspended in between. You become a target. It's like a shooting gallery and you're just a turkey flying through.

(Data) A discontinuity.

(L) Yeah, it's a discontinuity. It's crazy. Am I onto something there?

A: Indeed!
(...)
A: And there will be more and more train derailments as the crust continues to open up.

Q: (L) So, not only are there sinkholes, but there are crustal movements and all kinds of other weird things going on. We're seeing the Earth changes right before our eyes, but it's like in slow motion!

A: Yes. Scale!
(...)
(L) It's almost like what they said before about first level quantum life changes or something like that. It's like chaos before things can really change.

(Chu) It's like a fever, or giving birth or something.

(Pierre) It's a phase transition(...)

(Perceval) It's almost like what Russia has done in Syria, by questioning or challenging the dominant narrative of the US, is gonna make a lot of people think differently or question their assumptions and stuff. That could be a reality shift for a lot of people. A lot of people would be put in the "Turkey Shoot" position like you were saying.
(...)
(Pierre) And it connects to what we said previously about reality changes/splitting. If Putin wins the propaganda war, billions of people will see the world more objectively. That's not good for US supremacy.
(...)
A: Goodbye.

END OF SESSION

I found pretty interesting to connect with this session :
Q: (L) We have some questions here: Physicists talk about
multi-dimesional universes. The idea is that our 3
dimensional space and 1 dimensional time is an illusion of
plane beings, while the true universe has more dimensions
perpendicular to the above ones. Physicists have
different guesses here: 5, 6, 7, 11, 256. How many
dimensions does the true universe have?

A: Not correct concept. Should be: How many universes does
the "true" dimension have?

Q: (L) Alright, then. I think that from a previous session
we were told that the number of universes was not
countable. Is that correct?

A: Infinite, maybe, but more to the point: variable and
selective.

Q: (L) Is it that there can be more at one time and less at
another?

A: No.

Q: (L) Does this mean that any potential universe can be
selected at any time to be the ONE that is cued? (T) No,
the "jukebox" idea relates to time. Explain variable and
selective, please?

A: For those who know how, universes can be created at will
in order to transmodify reality merge.

Q: (L) What is a reality merge?

A: What does it sound like?

Q: (T) Merging of realities from one universe into another? A
creating of a new reality which is then merged with the
old to create a new universe. (L) Maybe it means the
realities of different people merge to create a sort of
"mutual universe?" Like the idea "you create your own reality?"

A: Terry is closer, Laura is playing "left field."

Q: (L) The next question: The C's, Andromedans and others
talk about 'densities.' We are supposed to live in 3rd
density. Does this number 3 have anything to do with 3
space dimensions?

A: Close. Means: Original definition closer to 3rd level of
experience, relating material/ethereal spectrum, but
denizens of Terra Locator came up with "Third Dimensional"
explanation due to influences upon the subconscious mind
from soul memory connnection to Akashic record.

Q: (L) J talks about dimensions, densities and states. What
about states? (T) Yeah, there's Georgia and Arkansas...
no, that's not really a state...

A: You forgot poor little Fhode Island! Tsk tsk! Mirth!
Q: (L) Okay, does "state" refer to some state of being that
entities can exist in?

A: On this, consult psychological text books for more
information, if you are so inclined as this is the only
area where this term applies.

Q: (L) Well, J has come up with the number 384 dimensions
which comes from some obscure formula... he also says that
these dimensions differ by entropy and that the next
dimension above us is a supercondcting dimension, that
there are dark and light dimensions, forward and time back
dimensions. Aside from the fact that we have already
disposed of the NUMBER of dimensions...

A: We suggest that J create a universe thusly.

Q: (L) Okay, do densities differ by entropy?

A: No, but maybe by "atrophy."

Q: (L) Now, do we have densities that are superconducting?

A: ???

Q: (L) Do you mean that we need to discover in this area?
Are there dark and light densities?

A: This line is not productive to your quest.

Q: (T) Well, this J does not seem to be able to grasp the
idea that time is not a dimension, it is just a localized
variable. (L) The C's said once that 4th density is
"going with the speed of light." I think I remember that
you said that there was NO speed of light there because
"speed" was a 3rd density concept.

A: Please... we are drifting! Tell A that "aether" is Terran
material science's attempt to address ether. The trouble
is, there is simply no way to physicalize a plane of
existence which is composed entirely of consciousness. It
is the union of perfect balance between the two "states"
or planes, that is the foundation and essence of all
creation/reality. You cannot have one without the other!

Q: (L) When you say the two states or planes, you are saying
the physical state and the state of consciousness...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And you can't have one without the other. And the
state of consciousness and the state of material existence
are so completely connected, that both are infinite? One
cannot exist without the other...

A: Yes, connected, intertwined, bonded... Merged.

Q: (T) A structure of the universe that holds the levels
together... everything is connected. The consciousness of
6th density is perfectly bonded and balanced with 3rd
density, and the quasi physical level of 4th density, and
the totally physical levels 3 through 1, and the total ONE
of 7th, and whatever 5th is. (L) We have four levels of
physical expression, so to speak, going from the really
solid, minimal consciousness level 1 to....

A: Yes, but the Terran scientists have been programmed to
believe that nothing can exist unless it can be measured,
estimated, calculated and represented in some way in the
physical material plane. Not true!!!!!!! For example: We
are in NO WAY physical.

Q: (L) Well, I also want to know why you refer to a
technological device that supposedly transports someone
from one density to another, as a 'Trans Dimensional
Remolecularizer?'

A: In order to reconstruct 3rd density into 4th density
physical, other dimensions must be utilized in the
process. Remember, we are talking about exact duplicates
which are merged.

Q: (L) But, a little while ago you said there was a single
dimension and many universes, and now you are saying
utilizing another dimension, so the terminology is getting
to be a little bit confusing... (T) It is like a program
loading onto a computer. Some programs just load straight
in. Others need to create a space on the harddrive to put
files that they need to LOAD the program, but are not PART
of the program, and when it is finished loading, it erases
all the "loading instructions." The hard drive is still
the hard drive, but for a time, the program used a sector
of the hard drive, and created a temporary dimension,
let's say. (L) Is this what we are looking at here?

A: Close. And remember, we said "true" dimension!

Q: (L) So, it is like one hard drive, many programs, loading
instructions for new programs that are then erased, etc.
If there is one "true dimension," and infinite universes
within it, does one particular universe exist, of and by
itself, at any given time, until it is merged into a new
one, or is there within this one true dimension, multiple
universes as real as ours is, to which we could go, and
could be there alongside ours, so to speak?

A: Yes to the latter.

Q: (L) And, can infinite numbers of "dimensions" exist within
each level of density, even if temporary?

A: Yes. If you want to go back and change "history," either
for individuals or for universal perception, you must
first create an alternate universe to do it. Your 4th
density STS "friends" have been doing this a lot.

Q: (L) If you, being a general term, create an alternate
universe, does the former one continue to exist, or does
the former one merge into the new one?

A: Both.

Q: (L) If the former one continues to exist, does it exist
and evolve on its own, disassociated with the second one,
or this offshoot?

A: Clarify.

Q: (T) The universe you are in: you are going along and say,
"I think I will create a new Universe." You do it, and
move to it, and you bring your universe with you. That is
the merging of realities. But, when you move to the new
universe, you are no longer in the original one which
continues along on its own. The pattern of the old
universe, you bring into the new one, and when you become
part of the new universe you have just created, you are no
longer part of the old one you just left. It just goes
along with everybody else there. (L) Is this correct?

A: Sort of... remember, one can create all ranges of types of
alternate possibilities.

Q: (L) So you could create a new universe with a new "past,"
even?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in that way, both actually occur and you can
change the whole thing?

A: When merged, the former never existed.

Q: (T) Not for the person creating the new universe, but the
former will continue for everybody else.

A: Close.

Q: (L) So, for the person creating a new universe, the former
never existed, but the other beings who are satisfied with
that old universe, and "go" with it, are still continuing
along as though...

A: Your 3rd density mind restrictions limit the scope of your
comprehension in this area.

Q: (L) If you decide you don't like your present universe,
and you work like crazy to learn how to create a new one,
and you do it, do you, essentially, forget that you did
this? And why you did this? And forget the other
universe?

A: If you wish.

Q: (L) So you can or you can't... (T) Going by what you just
said: "an unhappy universe," is that because your
perceiving the universe you are in as being unhappy
because that is the way you are and where you are at, in
terms of learning, and by creating a new universe, you are
simply wishing to change the way the universe is around
you, and really its not the universe that has a problem,
but you...

A: Off track.

Q: (L) So, the universe you are in, is what it is, and you
are in it for some reason... (T) You're in it to learn
lessons... just to change the universe because you don't
want to learn the lessons you've chosen to learn... (L)
Or, you have learned them and thereby CAN change the
universe... (T) When you learn, you just move on
automatically, you don't have to change the universe. The
universe will change for you.

A: Deja vu comes to you compliments of 4th density STS.

Q: (L) Is deja vu a result of some sensation of the universe
having changed?

A: Or... some sensation of reality bridging.

Q: (T) As you move into the new one, you have leftovers?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is reality bridging?

A: What does it sound like?

Q: (L) Is it somewhat like merging universes? (T) A bridge
is something you put between two things...

A: You wish to limit, wait till 4th density, when the word
will be obsolete!

Q: (L) That still doesn't help me to understand deja vu as a
"sensation of reality bridging." Is deja vu because
something comes into our reality from another?

A: One possibility..

Q: (T) Didn't we talk about this? That it is a bleedthrough
from other dimensions... that when we think we have been
someplace before, it is because in another dimension we
have...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) If you are now in a particular universe that has been
created and merged by 4th density STS, and there is still
the old universe existing, and you feel a connection, or a
bridging, because some alternate self is in that alternate
universe, living through some experience... or a similar
thing?

A: No limits of possibilities.

Q: (L) So it can be any and all of those things, and bridging
realities of "past" and "future," as well. Is it possible
to change the past within a discrete universe, or does
every change imply a new or alternate universe?

A: Discrete does not get it.

Q: (L) Well, within a particular, selected one of the
universes, can you go back in time, within that universe,
change the past, and have it change everything forward,
still within that selected universe, like a domino effect?

A: In such a case, yes.

Q: (L) But, you said that if you want to change the past, you
have to create an alternate universe... (T) No, you asked
about changing the past, and they said you have to create
a temporary place to work from, a position from which you
can manipulate the reality...

A: That is for specialized activities.

Q: (L) So that creating of an alternate universe was for
special things, and not for a general historic change?

A: What was described is not the same as an
"alternate universe."

Q: (L) It is a temporary file that will go away when you are
finished loading the program. And that is not creating an
alternate universe, but rather a temporary dimension...

A: Close.

Q: (L) In our particular universe, what is the primary mode?
Are we constantly shifting and merging universe to
universe, or is our past being changed and reacting like
the domino effect... at least in the past few years... (T)
But, we wouldn't know if the past has been changed because
we wouldn't see it...

A: Measurements are inadequate.

Q: (L) How does that relate to my question? Which is
happening? Is our singular universe being changed as in a
domino effect, or is it continuously being merged with a
new one and another and another... (T) What you are asking
for is a measurement. (L) Is it that any and all
possibilities and will and do take place?

A: Closer.

Q: (L) Can you clarify that any further for me?

A: No, because you would simply not grasp it.

Q: (T) It is part of the infrastructure of the universe which
we are in no way capable of understanding at this point.
We can't even get quarks right.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are the words "universe" and "dimension" synonymous?

A: Yes and no.

Q: (L) In what sense yes?

A: For you, these are "grey" areas, and no matter how hard
you try, until your perception shifts fundamentally, you
ain't gonna get it!

Q: (J) I guess it is a question of faith. (L) Are all
universes "Free Will" universes?

A: If chosen.

Q: (L) Are there universes where everything is predestined?

A: Within the framework of a cyclical separation bond.

Q: (L) What is a "cyclical separation bond?" I think I'm
getting in over my head...

A: Only because "you ARE in over your heads."

Q: (L) But you didn't tell me what a cyclical separation bond
is!

A: And if we do, you will ask: "What do you mean by that?"

Q: (L) Well, you are right about that. (J) It's like a
little kid asking: "Daddy, why is there air?" (L) Are
there universes where time goes in the other direction, as
in universes of anti-matter?

A: Why do you ask this?

Q: (T) They have been telling us all along that there is no
such thing as time except as we perceive it. (L) Well, I
guess I just meant "anti-matter" universe. Okay, there
are 4 physical densities...

A: No, three.

Q: (L) Okay, there are 3 physical densities, and the 4th
is...

A: One is variable. Three Ethereal.

Q: (L) Okay, three that are physical, three ethereal, and one
in between that is both.

A: Close.

Q: (L) Do you go from 4th to 5th repeatedly until you are
ready to go to 6th, or do you go to 6th from 4th, or to
6th from 5th?

A: Because of already given data, that is elementary my dear,
Martin, elementary!

Q: (L) I am NOT Martin anymore! So there!

A: You are in an alternate reality.

Q: (L) Oh, God! I don't even want to THINK about that!
That's horrible! Does this mean that when you gave me the
word "NEW," you perhaps meant a new universe? A new
reality? (T) Well, you are because you have changed. But
we're not.

A: Why does Njorrg always get the tough assignments?!?

Q: (T) Because you are lucky!

A: Mirth iz goot!

Q: (L) Stop laughing guys... is the entire universal system,
everything combined, similar to a dissipative structure,
or is any part of it similar to this?

A: No.

Q: (L) Okay, in a general sense, and I know you are pulling
out your hair with me, if you had hair to pull, is there
something that you can tell us about what it is, other
than awareness, that determines your density level, like a
transition point, like a flower breaking open, or
something erupting through a membrane, or is it something
that occurs more gradually? All of a sudden you hit a
point of awareness and "POP," there you are?!

A: Too much.

Q: (L) Is awareness the only thing that determines what
density one exists in?

A: No.

Q: (L) What else? (T) The way you make Christmas cookies...

A: Awareness is the bond that unites the reality.

Q: (L) You have said that the heat I feel is a
"growing of fibers" or a "bleedthrough" of the new reality,
is that an effect that is happening in a gradual way? (T) It has to
do with the approach of the wave... (L) I don't quite know
how to ask this...

A: Because you do not quite know how to understand the
answers.

Q: (L) You have said that gravity is the binder of all
reality.

A: Yes.

Q: And now you talk about perception bonding.

A: Yes. Now, try to picture how gravity is the binder of all
reality!!!

Q: (L) If gravity is the binder, is gravity consciousness?

A: Not exactly. Did you know that there is no "right" or
"left" in 4th density through 7th density? If you can
picture this exactly, then you may be able to understand
the responses to all the questions you are asking. If
not, best "give it a rest." Because it will only be
productive learning when you ponder and reflect/review
"later."
Q: (A) Now, you say that this brown star and the comet
cluster are coming into our solar system at the same time,
and you have said that they are different events, but that
they are related. Now, what is the relation, if not just
the point in time, the deeper relation between these two
phenomena?

A: Picture biorythm graph.

Q: (A) What is the period of pole shift?

A: 100,000 years, roughly.

Q: (A) Now, about the relation between the phenomenon of
physical disasters that are going to happen and psychic
changes related to the realm border. What is cause and
what is effect?

A: One precedes the other.

Q: (L) Okay, so disasters happen and then the reality changes
in psychic terms?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is the approach of the realm border, is the change in
the magnetic field... does the reversal of the poles and
the broadening of the magnetic field, is that going to be
before the realm border crossing?

A: Intersection.

Q: (L) So, in practical terms, it may be that, what we
observe will be a series of cataclysms, disasters, the
'cleansing' of the Earth...

A: This has already begun.

Q: (L) So, it is already happening. It will accelerate and
intensify. And what we will observe is all of these
things happening. And, as a result of the intersecting of
these various energies, this realm border, this reality
change, this change in the magnetics because of the
interaction with the comet cluster, the sun's companion,
the realm border, and so forth, it will then have an
effect upon the people left on the planet who will then
change in some way as a result of this, is that correct?

A: Your Bible says that there will be many wonders on the
Earth and in the Heavens in the last days.

Q: (L) Okay, this period of time after this realm border, is
this period a preliminary to the total end of the Earth
and all life on it?

A: No.

Q: (L) After all of this change, those people who continue to
be on the Earth will be in a new environment, and it will
be almost like having to grow gills to live in water, and
some people will have the ability and some will not. Is
that it? It will be more gradual in terms of individual
physical structures and psychic structures?

A: No.

Q: (L) It will be a sudden, total change? Like flipping a
switch and everything is going to be different?

A: The key is awareness.

Q: (L) Are there going to be people...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) You didn't let me finish asking my question!

A: But we knew it!

Q: (L) In other words, there are going to be people who are
simply not going to see what is happening?

A: Lost lambs beying in the knight.

Q: (T) They are not getting it. They are lost sheep. That
really describes it. (L) Why did you give that funny
twist on the spelling?

A: Why not?

Q: (T) Now, didn't they tell us that when the transition
occurs, those who are moving to 4th density will move, and
those who aren't, won't. And that it is not a physical
move. That we really would not notice a difference when
we shifted because it's all right here. And, those who
are going to shift will shift right where they stand, and
they won't really notice a change, and the perception is
not the issue, it is the awareness of the shift, because
we will still be physical... am I heading anywhere in the
right direction?

A: Variability of physicality.

Q: (L) Does this have anything to do with changing of DNA via
awareness?

A: Both ways.

Q: (T) So, we will notice that we can control much more than
we could before in terms of our environment and physical
structure, but we will still be doing a lot of things we
have always done.

C's: Remember, most
all power necessary for altering reality and physicality
is contained within the belief center of the mind. This
is something you will understand more closely when you
reach 4th density reality where physicality is no longer a
prison, but is instead, your home, for you to alter as you
please. In your current state, you have the
misinterpretation of believing that reality is finite and
therein lies your difficulty with finite physical
existence.
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=3113.0

As the Cass' already said "Awareness is knowledge in action".
 
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casper said:
MariuszJ said:
Problems I talk about are too difficult for you to understand and you feel uneasy, so instead of trying and finding a way out of the situation you prefer simple answers or advise me to read a book ...
I found an interesting image,why it is important to be in touch, reading, learning...

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... love the illustration ... Casper thank you for sharing! for some people who find themself maybe more depressed and disappointed with the world, the 1st and 2nd image from the bottom can be flipped, but in general MariuszJ this is exactly how i see now what happen when you start to read and not taking personally all the suggestions, specially those about reading of recommended literature, here on Forum.

MariuszJ, as son as you will read any book from cognitive science and psychology list, about black and white thinking, or narcism, you will get better understanding that no one here is attacking you, that is just your projection based on lack of knowledge how things works, and it is not your fault that you don't have that knowledge, as how you could know all the stuff that are thought only at universities devoted to cognitive science and psychology ... you have to understand that you just don't know enough, and don't take it like attack if someone say that to you, as we really don't know everything, and this is kind of a school where we can learn a lot! ... :) ... actually, it is a great gift that someone who don't know you, and don't expect anything in return, just decided to spend their time to guide you and share knowledge with you, so that you can also understand what is going on and be able to get involved in more deep levels of self growth and change of perception that you are looking for ... just pick any book from the list start reading and in first few paragraph you will just all of a sudden be able to see all what is suggested here for you ... and probably you will feel much better and thankful for all the patience forum members have with us at the begging of our search for truth and objective and our contribution to more generous life on earth and beyond ...

also for me a place for a good start, and quite quick for getting into the things is http://thecasswiki.net/

also what amazed me is how little do we know about our self and who we are, and how much of our every day life is "programmed" while we think is our unique response or need ... that is a first step for anyone - to understand yourself to be able to step up to bigger understanding of the outer world ...

if you truly want to know and understand, you can't do that from the point of arguing about things, specially not arguing about things you think you know, but you don't know. It is quite simple, you can't talk on the same level about the movie with a person that never watched the movie, right? But once you open up the gates of knowledge, you will feel and understand better all this things you are so hardly questioning right now ...


:hug: :flowers: :lkj:
 

sitting

Dagobah Resident
zak said:
C's: Remember, most all power necessary for altering reality and physicality is contained within the belief center of the mind.

This is one of the most remarkable definitive statements they've ever made, in my opinion.

A yardstick to measure a great number of other remarks, in Laura's amazing 21 year running conversation with them. Including the recent "self presentation - self representation" one.

Apparently not much will change unless and until we touch that cornerstone. Appearances will work if it alters beliefs -- and will not if it does not. You've got to reach the power source it seems.

Having read all of the Seth material, my conviction is deeper perhaps than some in this regard. It's why I refer often to the primacy of thought, the necessity for purity of intent, and the belief that we hold far greater powers than we presently realize.

FWIW.

PS
Incidentally, the discussion regarding Puck & company, and MariuszJ too, may be helped along with a deeper look (especially by themselves) into their belief systems. Something which they have started. And I wish to thank them for their courage and willingness to be so exposed. It's not easy.
 

goyacobol

The Living Force
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zak said:
Laura said:
Session Date: October 10th 2015




I found pretty interesting to connect with this session :
Session 4 January 1997
The Wave Chapter 26: The Tree of Life
The Wave Chapter 26: The Tree of Life said:
Q: (L) We have some questions here: Physicists talk about
multi-dimesional universes. The idea is that our 3
dimensional space and 1 dimensional time is an illusion of
plane beings, while the true universe has more dimensions
perpendicular to the above ones. Physicists have
different guesses here: 5, 6, 7, 11, 256. How many
dimensions does the true universe have?

A: Not correct concept. Should be: How many universes does
the "true" dimension have?



Binary Stars: Does our Sun have a Dark Companion?
Binary Stars: Does our Sun have a Dark Companion? said:
Q: (A) Now, you say that this brown star and the comet
cluster are coming into our solar system at the same time,
and you have said that they are different events, but that
they are related. Now, what is the relation, if not just
the point in time, the deeper relation between these two
phenomena?

A: Picture biorythm graph.



Session 12 August 1995
The Wave Chapter 26: The Tree of Life
The Wave Chapter 26: The Tree of Life said:
C's: Remember, most
all power necessary for altering reality and physicality
is contained within the belief center of the mind. This
is something you will understand more closely when you
reach 4th density reality where physicality is no longer a
prison, but is instead, your home, for you to alter as you
please. In your current state, you have the
misinterpretation of believing that reality is finite and
therein lies your difficulty with finite physical
existence.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=3113.0

As the Cass' already said "Awareness is knowledge in action".


Zak,

I thought these sessions quoted together were really good food for thought. I just inserted some links in case anyone wants to read even more surrounding text. I am still thinking about many of the details of what it all means and how it works.

Thanks :)
 

goyacobol

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
zak said:
Thank you Goyacobol, it's better in this way ! :wow:

zak,

If you know the source of the quotes I think it helps others to have the reference. If you hit the quote button you can use the one I just posted see how to place the links using the URL button or the Quote button. Once you get used to it the easier it gets. I don't know if it is better but just an option for those who like the idea. The quotes' content always speaks for itself anyway. :)
 

MariuszJ

Padawan Learner
sitting said:
Incidentally, the discussion regarding Puck & company, and MariuszJ too, may be helped along with a deeper look (especially by themselves) into their belief systems. Something which they have started. And I wish to thank them for their courage and willingness to be so exposed. It's not easy.
No wonder that mankind has been called "a fallen angel" having moved from STO to STS. In my view, what is happening now, is plain stupid. For you it is normal. Most of you writing to this forum cannot imagine the way of living in STO environment nor do you see any need for changes from STS to STO in the Earth.

I rest my case. :)

Regards,
Mariusz
 

BHelmet

The Living Force
Neil said:
I knew I had read something about this self-presentation/self-representation stuff somewhere before. Here's Mouravieff's take on it:
Gnosis III P.174-179 said:
...........In order to give our bodies this indispensible minimum of beauty, we must work on our Personality, for we know what an influence the psychic exercises over the physical;
Thanks for posting that. The above is what jumped out at me. The old classic: beauty comes from within. On many levels. Even in the day-to-day living of life, I see this in my wife's face. If she is stressed, or worried and has lost her inner equilibrium, and is lost in some bizarre tangent, her face contorts and her wrinkles are accentuated and she looks very old and even haggy. But when she smiles or lets go of whatever is gripping her, she appears younger than her years - even girlish again and her inner beauty transforms her appearance. Heck, it is obvious. I think this plays out in our immediate concerns and in regards to our long-term development too.

In regards to self-representation, my take is that it has to do with being genuine. In the swirl of external considering I might hide or conceal or allow someone to think I am of a certain mindset so as not to stir up a hornets nest or have to try to explain my bizarre take on reality to someone who is not ready. Perhaps the C's are suggesting it is time to stand up for what is believed inside. OR at least become aware of the discrepancies between the inner essence and the outward expression; between the inner beliefs and what we allow people to see of those beliefs. To be more real. I think they are also suggesting that by doing this, we may have a more profound effect on that ether plane or causal plane. Perhaps sending a message to the cosmos: we are ready; let the wave and all its effects be done, thus effecting events, the speed at which events unfold, and the direction of those events.
 

Approaching Infinity

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MariuszJ said:
sitting said:
Incidentally, the discussion regarding Puck & company, and MariuszJ too, may be helped along with a deeper look (especially by themselves) into their belief systems. Something which they have started. And I wish to thank them for their courage and willingness to be so exposed. It's not easy.
No wonder that mankind has been called "a fallen angel" having moved from STO to STS. In my view, what is happening now, is plain stupid. For you it is normal. Most of you writing to this forum cannot imagine the way of living in STO environment nor do you see any need for changes from STS to STO in the Earth.

I don't understand. What exactly is "plain stupid"? The discussions re: Puck and yourself?

As for "living in an STO environment", the living situation of several members of this forum are probably the closest thing on the planet to that ideal, so you're speaking from ignorance here. And the "need for changes from STS to STO" is one of the primary goals of this forum. You just have several erroneous preconceptions of what STO might look like, which have been pointed out to you repeatedly in various ways. For you, these preconceptions are 'normal', but to those with some actual experience of the process, they are very obviously based on preconceptions and ignorance of the actual process. You can simply not imagine, at this point, what it really takes to start making the changes toward an "STO living environment", because you are blinded by your misconceptions.
 

Dakota

Dagobah Resident
FOTCM Member
Maybe I have understood wrongly self-presentation and self-respresentation but that last conclusion about this for me it is that "presentation" is what we present to others what or who we are, what we think that we are, and "representation" is how we should adapt to this world to survive and not just survive, that we should make condition of our life as good as we can. So, if someone has problems with finding a job that maybe means that he didn't adopt properly to 3D and STS world.
Also, the best presentation that everyone will respect, even they are just jelaous, is knowledge.
 

BHelmet

The Living Force
I will try to explicate my conception of this further. Presentation is external. Am I wearing a clean shirt? Did I brush my teeth? It can be seen whether I have shaved or have a beard; if I am bald. What is the tone of my voice and the attitudes I display? Am I open to the presence of being of those around me? Do I drive my car in a courteous manner? How do I look? etc Presentation is about the cover on the book.

A representation is, by definition, I think, not the thing itself but a reflection: the contents of the book, the pages and meaning of the words on those pages. We must filter our inner essence, if we are 'in touch' with that, through our mind and actions and words. It becomes a representation. What inner beliefs do I have that are not readily apparent and how do I represent what is inside me to the outside world? Do I conceal it? Do I share it with those I am close to? Are my actions co-linear with the beliefs I tell myself I have?

Certainly external considering comes into play in both cases. If I am in line at security at an airport, am I going to say to the homeland security dudes, "I think you and your kind suck"? No. That would potentially cause a lot of unnecessary grief for me. I am going to both present myself and represent myself as a 'normal' law-abiding citizen who does not want trouble and just wants to get on the airplane.

So, to sum up, I view presentation as primarily the outer appearance and representation as the inner being brought forth.

Just my thoughts. Your mileage may vary.
 

goyacobol

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
BHelmet said:
I will try to explicate my conception of this further. Presentation is external. Am I wearing a clean shirt? Did I brush my teeth? It can be seen whether I have shaved or have a beard; if I am bald. What is the tone of my voice and the attitudes I display? Am I open to the presence of being of those around me? Do I drive my car in a courteous manner? How do I look? etc Presentation is about the cover on the book.

A representation is, by definition, I think, not the thing itself but a reflection: the contents of the book, the pages and meaning of the words on those pages. We must filter our inner essence, if we are 'in touch' with that, through our mind and actions and words. It becomes a representation. What inner beliefs do I have that are not readily apparent and how do I represent what is inside me to the outside world? Do I conceal it? Do I share it with those I am close to? Are my actions co-linear with the beliefs I tell myself I have?

Certainly external considering comes into play in both cases. If I am in line at security at an airport, am I going to say to the homeland security dudes, "I think you and your kind suck"? No. That would potentially cause a lot of unnecessary grief for me. I am going to both present myself and represent myself as a 'normal' law-abiding citizen who does not want trouble and just wants to get on the airplane.

So, to sum up, I view presentation as primarily the outer appearance and representation as the inner being brought forth.

Just my thoughts. Your mileage may vary.

BHelmet,

I have been reading all the interpretations of the meaning of "self-presentation and self-representation" and this seems to resonate with how I am thinking about it. Until the Cs maybe elaborate on the meaning your concept makes a lot of sense to me. I will paraphrase to see if I am close to what you mean.

Self-presentation is like the cover of the book.

Self-representation is like the forward of the book or revealing more of the contents/excerpts as appropriate.

Anyway that is how I am seeing it. I think the contents may be the distillation of all we have been Working on to clean our machines and grow towards an STO community.

And I love the humor of "Your mileage may vary." ;D
 

lainey

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Dakota said:
Maybe I have understood wrongly self-presentation and self-respresentation but that last conclusion about this for me it is that "presentation" is what we present to others what or who we are, what we think that we are, and "representation" is how we should adapt to this world to survive and not just survive, that we should make condition of our life as good as we can. So, if someone has problems with finding a job that maybe means that he didn't adopt properly to 3D and STS world.
Also, the best presentation that everyone will respect, even they are just jelaous, is knowledge.
I think self presentation is how you choose to look on the outside and self representation is how you display what you have/are on the inside to the world.
A simple example would be if one goes around making sarcastic comments about everything then all people will see or know of you is "such and such the sarcastic person" although that person may be very complex and emotional and sweet on the inside all the world see's is the sarcasm. This would then lead a person to feel misunderstood because people don't know how they are truly feeling or who they really are.
I guess this is where self awareness and self observation really comes into it. It would highlight the difference between what we think we display and what we actually display to the universe.
 
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