Session 12 December 2010

[Nienna]

Thank you all who were at the session. Wow, what a lot to think about in this session. Hoping that Ailen and Atreides get over this very soon. This has been a loooong time to be down with this bug! Very interesting about that bug, too.

 

[Jacques]

Thank you so much Laura for sharing that session with us.


Hoping that Ailen and Atreides will recover pretty soon.

 

[tridean]

woo hoo, I was on the verge of asking somehow, why there had been such a delay in chats with the C's, thanks for posting!

I have read this thread and wanted to say on the point about trying to get people to see the truth or open up etc. It has been my experience that the biggest issue or block in most people is their inability to accept that most in positions of power are 'psycopaths' and exist in such a quantity, and that humans are split up by those who have empathy and those who do not. We've been so conditioned to see skin colour, ethnicity, geographical, societal differences etc between people, all visual, but we are not trained to see the inner differences, which in essence, is only two.

As soon as more people are able to understand the concept of psychopath and accept that their immoral activities are not restricted to lower level social crime, they will soon understand that is is almost an essential trait to be a psychopath in order to reach any position of power, be it religious, political or corporate (well their essentially all the same anyway).

In other words, it is almost impossible for an empathetic human being to reach the positions of power they so seem to worship, because to reach a position of power means you have to burn some people along the way in one way or another. Obviously there are exceptions, but this is my experience when trying to explain to people why certain things happen, in the back of their mind is a belief that says, 'that can't be right, how could they let this happen, a person would never do such a thing' FWIW

Dingo

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot to add. I had an insight whilst also reading this thread about ones level of where they are in relation to the work, and also ones ability to teach others in relation to that level. I do suffer from a program that likes to teach other about the woes of the world and why it is the way it is, but when it comes to the work, and am always far more tight lipped, and I also know now, that I have this idea that I will 'NEVER' be ready, or put another way, I don't feel I could ever be in a position to say 'I have a handle on the work', or 'I am completely objective', 'no more am I mechanical' etc. It is one of the few areas of my life where I have begun something and looked upon it as something that will never end, it will never be mastered.

Is this something that may ring true with others and could this mean we are not meant to teach people about such things but they must find it for themselves?

 

[D Rusak]

Thanks once again for an insightful session!

 

[RyanX]

Very interesting session! Thank you Château crew!

I'm amazed Ailén and Atreides have gone on for so long with this virus. It sounds like they've turned a corner, but it certainly doesn't sound fun. I wish you both a speedy recovery.

A supernova sounds like it could spice things up a bit on the BBM -- something to look forward to amidst all the chaos right now.

I was amazed to learn about the Earth's precession being due to the sun's companion star. I don't think I've ever come across that theory before. I just ordered the Earth Changes and Lost Star book, so that should make for a couple of good reads to start off the new year.

Again, thank you! :)

 

[mkrnhr]

I hope all the best recovery for Ailén and Atreides. Take care!

 

[gonzorama]

Great session! Thank you! :)

 

[Sinapi]

Thanks for the session, all. I hope that Ailén and Atreides feel better soon, and that you two don't have pain. :)

The observation and conclusion I have come to is that many people just can not absorb the info or choose not to because they have too many distractions.

To me it seems that many people have lost their curiosity. They had it as children. People are resigned, which is probably a product of the education system which does not encourage true curiosity. This is why it sometimes seems like 'casting pearls before swine', because one's remarks do not provoke others' curiosity. The converse of this is that people who have retained their curiosity are seen as unusual. The proverb goes: 'curiosity killed the cat'. The Cs said somewhere that curiosity is a spiritual attribute (I can't find the quote right now).

I agree with this in its entirety. My experience with school has just been essays, citations, tests, rinse, lather, repeat. If there's a topic that's even remotely interesting to me, such as the state of health care, curiosity decays exponentially as the deadline approaches. The educational system is just one big program that incites laziness and kills curiosity in its tracks; it's a mentality that screams, "Just give me the answers, I'm too tired to do this anymore." It just sucks so much energy out of people. Combine that with working full time, struggling with illness, etc., and I guess most people don't think they have the time to act on any curiosity that they may have.

 

[Iron]

I wish a speed recovery for both!
By the way, I missed on the Assange discussion, and the remark of his "purpose" as a agent was kinda lost on me.
In other words I did not understand how this sexual abuse circus has anything to do with the master plan of global domination.

A supernova... that surely will be nice to watch if possible.
As always a session filled with information, thank you guys for that!

 

[Aliana]

Thank you so much for posting this session. I hope that Ailén and Atreides continue to improve - that really IS a long time to have a bug! Guess we all need to get serious with the detox and working on the Liver!

Quote from: Session 12 December 2010

Q: (L) I’ve been thinking that it might soon be time for us to cease all of our extreme activities, and just run the forum in a careful way. It doesn’t seem that anything is going to change anything very much. Is that useful thought to follow?
A: Not yet, but yes eventually. It will be time to devote yourselves to helping those who have made the choice to be ready for the changes.

It has been interesting reading how so many of us are becoming tired of trying to help those who are clearly not all that serious about change. I have recently been feeling the need to pull in a great deal more and put on another layer of strategic enclosure. I really want to help people who are clearly suffering from health issues that could be alleviated by minimal changes in diet - but I have finally realized that might be a savior program of mine and that if friends and family members are not really asking - then I need to let them choose another option. Same goes for ignoring the news and/or believing the lies - it is their choice. Big lesson for me here!! Basically - I need to spend more of my time doing things that are productive - and trying to talk to people who aren't really interested - is both unproductive and STS!

Aleana

 

[3DStudent]

Thank you for the session all!

Lately I think I have been seeing the mechanicalness of myself and others more. And in regard to why others can't wake up, I know, I've been there. I just have to put myself in place a few years ago when I knew nothing of what I know now and it's easy to see why it's so hard to wake up. The distractions are still there, real life is still there, but the choice has been made.

The twin sun, supernova, and DNA changes sound pretty interesting. I guess if the forum starts seeing sounds and hearing colors then we'll know what did it :P.

I had no idea that there was anyone still suffering from the Paleobug. And I didn't realize what a "hit" meant. I thought it meant a hit as in they were successful, like a hit or miss, not hit as in "hitman". So take care Ailén and Atreides.

I just want to know what extreme activities ?

because i'm planing :

- as planned in January, crossing the frozen lagoon skating
- sailing on ice - Monotype XV
- Travel by train in the mountains
- learning swimming ;] that may be dangerous ^^

Do wee need have MORE aware and be cartful with our exercises ? because i don't want to get on risk or injury or... ;]

I think they were referring to projects that require a lot of work and trying to get people on board, not so much everyone. But awareness and being careful is always necessary.

And "kissy" was pretty cute. Maybe as they're getting closer they're being more personable.

 

[psychegram]

Wow! Thank you Laura, and everyone else who was at this session.

This one was particularly special for me: it was on my birthday! And not only that, but the major subject of the session - the electrical nature of the Sun, comets, Earth changes etc - is a particular research interest of mine. I've actually been wanting, for a while now, to post a 'Question for the C's' along the lines of, 'Is there anything to this Electric Universe thing, or is it just more disinformation?' Too bashful to actually pose it, however. And now you spend almost an entire session on precisely that topic! And largely confirm that there is something to it (although not perhaps as extreme as the position of the EU proponents). I don't think I could ask for a better birthday present.

Once again, thank you! :) I hope those of you who got sick make a speedy recovery!

Thanks for the session, all. I hope that Ailén and Atreides feel better soon, and that you two don't have pain. :)

The observation and conclusion I have come to is that many people just can not absorb the info or choose not to because they have too many distractions.

To me it seems that many people have lost their curiosity. They had it as children. People are resigned, which is probably a product of the education system which does not encourage true curiosity. This is why it sometimes seems like 'casting pearls before swine', because one's remarks do not provoke others' curiosity. The converse of this is that people who have retained their curiosity are seen as unusual. The proverb goes: 'curiosity killed the cat'. The Cs said somewhere that curiosity is a spiritual attribute (I can't find the quote right now).

I agree with this in its entirety. My experience with school has just been essays, citations, tests, rinse, lather, repeat. If there's a topic that's even remotely interesting to me, such as the state of health care, curiosity decays exponentially as the deadline approaches. The educational system is just one big program that incites laziness and kills curiosity in its tracks; it's a mentality that screams, "Just give me the answers, I'm too tired to do this anymore." It just sucks so much energy out of people. Combine that with working full time, struggling with illness, etc., and I guess most people don't think they have the time to act on any curiosity that they may have.

I reflect often on how fortunate I was to be able to maintain my own curiosity about the world. School does indeed destroy it ... academia has a way of taking even the most fascinating topic and converting it into yet another slog through drudgery. And of course this may well be one of school's primary purposes: make learning seem a chore, something that one only engages in when either forced to or bribed to, and - when either inducement is removed - the well-programmed subject will cease to learn. Combine with near-total control over the curriculum and presto! A perfect recipe for a perfectly deluded populace, with heads full of outrageous fabrications and not the slightest desire to correct any of them.

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I suppose the point I am making is that it is a rare breed of person who is motivated to take on both the basic challenges of the reality of normal life AND attempt to face into and fix the problems of reality on a global (or larger) scale. And I'm not sure there are enough.

Unfortunately, my own experiences would tend to support this. Among those I would call friends and associates, almost all are fully absorbed in their own lives and do not spend any time or energy looking more closely at what is going on around them. A small handful are somewhat curious, but even the most open-minded spend very little time actually reading or researching. Many people I know spend what little free time they have simply distracting themselves. One thing I have noticed in the past couple years is how few people actually know how to go about researching a subject. I watch for opportunities to inject an idea here and there, but unless a person actually takes it upon themselves to 'make it their own' by doing some work on their own, it remains just an idea among many others. I can personally attest to the fact that many people actually begin to feel pain if their ideas about things are challenged.

The effect of this on me has been discouraging on one hand, but has also served to increase my appreciation of the immensity of the forces of inertia, which in turn has made me intensify my own efforts to go in the other direction. Having contact with others who feel the same, through this forum, is life and soul-saving.
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Like many others here, I've been experiencing a progressive loss of interest in 'waking people up'. It just seems as though those who will awaken, are doing so and as for the rest, the Great Soul-Smashing awaits, perhaps. There's also issues with ego-gratification (needing to win arguments, be perceived to be 'right', etc) which are ultimately destructive to the goals of the Work. The psychopathic nature of the government, the hand of the Secret Team, the lack of even the pretense of economic justice, the shameless lies in the media ... it has all become so obvious, for those who choose to see. But of course, few do, or will, and so the world continues to fall apart. It certainly can't sustain itself like this for long. The psychopathic infection will burn the house down around itself presently, and as that happens the Earth will be going through its own upheavals. I cannot stop this; none of us can. Nor can I plan for it: the chaos is too great. Will the Ice Age bury my little corner of Ontario under a glacier? Will I get hauled off to a camp by our government as the totalitarian fist comes down?

All I can do now - all any of us can do - is to keep working on ourselves. Reclaim our bodies, our minds, our souls, and once reclaimed, fortify and strengthen them, for the challenges ahead. Not for our own sakes, individually, but because we shall ALL need strong allies, and as many of them as we can get.

However, another, more bracing thought suggests itself. If the control system clamps down on the 'Net, using Assange and his 'leaks' as an excuse, SoTT and the forum may be taken down. Earth Changes could do the same, disrupting the communications infrastructure ... something along the lines of the Carrington Event, for instance, would set us back to the Iron Age. In either case we would be wholly cut off from one another, save for those of us who live in physical proximity. In which case we shall all individually be left in our geographical locales, still with our global and cosmic perspective but with our communities restricted to those who do not share it.

BUT ... another thought ... this new DNA. I have wondered for some time if the 'Net isn't 'training wheels for telepathy'. Maybe, just maybe, this new DNA will give those who receive it the ability to network telepathically, without technological infrastructure?

 

[Mr. Premise]

One thing that has been on my mind lately is the question of what is the point of life on earth for most people. It seems to me that most people are not being stubborn, obtuse and delusional when they reject opportunities to "awaken". What most people are fundamentally motivated to do in their lives (it seems) is interact and share themselves (in whatever way they are able) with each other. They want to live in a relatively small familial and social groups and deal with the challenges and problems that normal life throws up. I don't see anything wrong with them wanting to do that and sticking to their guns. Most of them have been pretty successful at continuing a 'normal' life despite the increasing turmoil in the world around them. I don't seen anything wrong with them being content with the experience of life offered by the relationship dynamics involved in a limited social and familial network. After all, isn't that in fact enough (or often more than enough) for most people to deal with? Who can blame people for not wanting to engage in an endless "fight" against the evil doers of this world? For sure people are being lied to and poisoned with toxic foods and countless millions around the world are starving and dying needlessly, but most people, understandably enough, realise that they can do little or nothing to change it.

Then again, that doesn't change the fact that there is a very real possibility that, if all those people who just want a quiet life and who believe they have no power to change the world were to understand that they DO have the power to change the world - that the problems in this world are largely a result of them allowing themselves to be convinced that they can do nothing to change it - then ALL of us would experience a vast improvement in our quality of life as regards the fundamental drive to live that idyllic life where we focus on building positive and rewarding relationships with each other.

I suppose the point I am making is that it is a rare breed of person who is motivated to take on both the basic challenges of the reality of normal life AND attempt to face into and fix the problems of reality on a global (or larger) scale. And I'm not sure there are enough.

Well spoken!

I agree, I think Perceval really sums up those who are really well meaning people but don't feel the same urgency, and also the tragedy that the well-meaning, normal people have more potential power than they realize.

 

[Galaxia2002]

I hope Atrides and Ailen Get better soon! Thank you team for all the effort! When I read the session I couldn't avoid remember something that made "click" in my mind two years ago, when we were discussing about the Comet HP Holmes and why it shone suddenly. I am going to put it again and see if you consider it makes sense:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9333.msg67457#msg67457

Please read this references againg and we will see what result at the end. :D.


I propose that there is a flow of energy between the sun and the solar dark companion acting as ground or negative pole.

The other thing that interests me is the reference to nickel and cobalt. Let me go through this and make some comments in brackets:


Citar
Q: (L) You said that the primary composition of this comet is nickel?
A: No, we said "nickel?"

[ [The Cs used the word "nickel" as a clue... When you think of the word "nickel," what phrase comes to mind? What I think of is "a bright, shiny new nickel."

This current comet is, indeed, bright and shiny. And, without the usual tail, it is rather more round which is also reminiscent of a nickel... ]

Q: (L) What does 'nickel' mean? (A) It's a shiny metal. (L) A coin, a five cent piece...

[Ark got the message: "shiny." And all the hoopla about the sudden brightening... ]

A: What does molten nickel look like against the backdrop of space?

Q: (A) It would look like silver... (L) Would it have a color? (A) I don't think so.

A: Does it conduct electricity? Is it magnetic?

Laura & The C's

A: Does nickel have a companion?

Q: A) Well, when we say a 'companion,' it means another metal in the same family in the
Mendeleev Table. I believe that cobalt and Nickel are in the same family, but I will have
to check...

A: And cobalt is invisible in the good old vacuum of space, but not nickel!

Q: L) Does that mean it will attract cobalt?

A: No, cobalt will attract.

Q: L) The cobalt will attract flares... electromagnetic phenomena...
A: Et al.

[This is what makes me wonder if there is stuff out there composed of cobalt that we do not see? Is there a a cloud of cobalt around this comet that is way bigger than anything we notice? Is this cobalt accompanied by nickel? Is something else unusual going to happen with this comet as it gets closer? ]

the clues are:

Nickel = Shiny (represents the sun)
Cobalt = Dark (invisible in space) (It´s companion of nickel ) = SUN'S DARK COMPANION, invisible too
the cobalt atracts = Negative pole or ground. If one gives there must be an attractor

[Keep in mind that a "bolt" does not have to be visible ... but it may have been made visible by the Comet as evidenced in its sudden brightening, after the "bolt" passed through the lined up planets... And we have NO idea what this kind of energy passing through the planets can do. The C's made a remark about the ionosphere:]

A: Research this for definitive answers to your question. What about the
positive/negative ratio between earth's ionosphere and possible passing "objects?"

Q: (A) Yes, it can conduct, but its not magnetic. Why 'molten?'
A: What about the "tail" of such an object coming into contact with the ionosphere?

Then, the comet hp holmes crossed this "flow" or conduit of energy established between the poles through the interaction of the planets (or his ionespheres) and shone suddenly. This would have been the sign of the presence of the dark companion of the sun.
As chemist I am, this system remember me an molecular orbital analog to atomic scale, when the "electronic clouds" (the ionospheres) of each atom (or planet) are superimposed allowing charge movemets and another quantics phenomenon into the system.

In short:

Delta E = difference of potential energy

Q: (L) Well, that’s one thing that this guy James Mccanney said. He said that this last solar cycle – the maximum - was so long, so intense that it was evidence that something really big, had entered the solar capacitor. It was discharging the sun. And, if that’s the case, there’s probably a current flow and that means that it’s possible that at some point the Earth and maybe the moon and several other astronomical bodies, will line up along the line of this flow that’s going on between the Sun and its companion. And if that’s the case, could that be a little problematical?

A: Oh indeed! Yes, it is happening already. Do you not see the evidence all around the globe?

Of course what I depicted was a rough approximation to ilustrate an possible effect. I thought that planets should be aligned, (they were almost aligned when comet holmes shone) but now is clear that other bodies can do that.

 

[pete02]

Much thanks as always for another interesting session. The time is certainly growing near.

I could hardly believe you guys were still sick from PF when I read that. That must have been one heck of a bug alright. Speedy recovery to you both, I hope the worst is over for you.