Session 13 June 2015
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@ Goyacobol & BHelmet
I have to admit it never occurred to me that Rick Astley would need to be vetted.
I only rather recently learned that Peter Yarrow of Peter, Paul, & Mary is a convicted sex offender who in a state of drunkeness opened his hotel door completely in the nude to two 14 yr old girls seeking his autograph & invited them in & they complied - and things went south from there. So all assertions that Puff the Magic Dragon is a harmless children's song by PP&M can no longer be taken seriously.
A google search has revealed that Rick Astley's uncle admitted last year to being a predatory paedophile - and I'll let it go at that as the comment associated w/ the article re this is just too sickening to reproduce. And the fact that Rick volunteered to testify in his uncle's behalf brings him in as guilty by association if nothing else.
And so, another one bites the dust . . .
FYI - in '87 when Never Gonna Give You Up hit the airwaves, I was the mother of a young toddler & a preschooler. I only occasionally heard the song on the radio then (and thru the years afterward) and my only real memory was of a singer w/ a powerful, masculine voice wearing a trenchcoat singing a catchy/dancey seemingly wholesome love song. But the song & RA can easily be 'given up' along w/ Where Have All the Flowers Gone & Blowin' In The Wind. I never purchased any of RA's or PPM's music & the latter was not included in a fairly recent Folk Music collection that I did buy.
I guess this goes to prove that the internet can & does serve a useful purpose in revealing the numerous scumbags passing themselves off as 'nice guys'. And, yes, my stomach is still churning in regards to the RA's sicko uncle - major eww!
I have to admit it never occurred to me that Rick Astley would need to be vetted.
I only rather recently learned that Peter Yarrow of Peter, Paul, & Mary is a convicted sex offender who in a state of drunkeness opened his hotel door completely in the nude to two 14 yr old girls seeking his autograph & invited them in & they complied - and things went south from there. So all assertions that Puff the Magic Dragon is a harmless children's song by PP&M can no longer be taken seriously.
A google search has revealed that Rick Astley's uncle admitted last year to being a predatory paedophile - and I'll let it go at that as the comment associated w/ the article re this is just too sickening to reproduce. And the fact that Rick volunteered to testify in his uncle's behalf brings him in as guilty by association if nothing else.
And so, another one bites the dust . . .
FYI - in '87 when Never Gonna Give You Up hit the airwaves, I was the mother of a young toddler & a preschooler. I only occasionally heard the song on the radio then (and thru the years afterward) and my only real memory was of a singer w/ a powerful, masculine voice wearing a trenchcoat singing a catchy/dancey seemingly wholesome love song. But the song & RA can easily be 'given up' along w/ Where Have All the Flowers Gone & Blowin' In The Wind. I never purchased any of RA's or PPM's music & the latter was not included in a fairly recent Folk Music collection that I did buy.
I guess this goes to prove that the internet can & does serve a useful purpose in revealing the numerous scumbags passing themselves off as 'nice guys'. And, yes, my stomach is still churning in regards to the RA's sicko uncle - major eww!
JEEP said:
JEEP,
I'm sorry to hear that about the Peter Yarrow incident. We don't know if he was always into underage girls. You don't always know at what point some people make the wrong choices. We would probably all be surprised if we knew everything about the music industry. I wouldn't think you would be expected to check Rick Astley's whole family tree to just to mention an early song by him. I think it is the music and the words that are the most important as far as the quality goes but I think the Cs are kind of alerting us to the differences that are there starting from the 70's onward.
I was just reacting with an attempt at "humor" to your mention of :
I wasn't trying to say Puff The Magic Dragon was good or innocent but just playing on the words "Magic Dragon" as something that reminds me of the Lizzies.
Wikipedia does mention that the PPM song may have veiled drug references (which maybe the Lizzies would like I don't know):
Puff, the Magic Dragon
@Goyacobol
Yeah, I had actually posted something in regards to PPM on some other website several months ago which triggered the 'Oh, didn't you know Yarrow is a convicted sex offender' response - I had no idea! This after a recently viewed PBS PPM fundraising showcase that, not surprisingly, made NO mention of this offence but focused intently on PPM's ongoing activist role for the downtrodden which had left me w/ a much higher opinon of them than before. And when you consider that the majority of the population only views the corrupt controlled Mass Media & never take in any info from alternative websites (although discernment re these gets more challenging all the time), little wonder that so many are completely duped. It was only by pure chance that I discovered this criminal incident by Yarrow. And yes, does one incident condemn a person for life (can you say Josh Dugger)? Really hard to say. My tendency towards empathetic forgiveness has been seriously challenged by all the info re psychopaths esp child molesters w/ the belief that this is an incurable predilection. And if the victimized child in question was your own . . .
Some other person on the same site posted some other really wild interpretation of the Puff the Magic Dragon lyrics that I can't recall at all now. I did point out the more common interpretation that you have supplied. There was actually a fair amt of discussion surrounding this entire topic, all of which has subsequently vanished down the memory hole.
Obviously, being a child of the 50s, it is oh, so apparent to me how much music has transformed. Sott actually posted an article referencing a meeting that made excruciatingly clear to those still in attendance (& sworn to secrecy w/ threat of death re the meeting) that the music industry was going to undergo a complete change w/ wholesome/sweet genres of music getting the heave ho & replaced w/ the explicit brand of smut/misogyny assaulting our ears today. And music videos have only served to pound that point home. A trip thru Vigilant Citizen will give one more than enough proof of the Brotherhood of the Serpent's work in that arena as well as fashion, or rather, Illuminati R Us.
Having myself a rather 'wonky' sense of humor, I've had to learn to be extra careful as to how I express that kind of humor - it can easily be misinterpreted. I do appreciate your explanation, however.
I've been following your posts & also appreciate your bringing in relevant transcript posts from the past. I really thought that I had read the majority of them, but now when I reread them, I'm like 'I don't remember that - did I miss that somehow?' So, it's been really helpful & useful to get a refresher on what transpired. Now, if I could just keep it all in the memory bank & not have it leak out!
Cheers!
Yeah, I had actually posted something in regards to PPM on some other website several months ago which triggered the 'Oh, didn't you know Yarrow is a convicted sex offender' response - I had no idea! This after a recently viewed PBS PPM fundraising showcase that, not surprisingly, made NO mention of this offence but focused intently on PPM's ongoing activist role for the downtrodden which had left me w/ a much higher opinon of them than before. And when you consider that the majority of the population only views the corrupt controlled Mass Media & never take in any info from alternative websites (although discernment re these gets more challenging all the time), little wonder that so many are completely duped. It was only by pure chance that I discovered this criminal incident by Yarrow. And yes, does one incident condemn a person for life (can you say Josh Dugger)? Really hard to say. My tendency towards empathetic forgiveness has been seriously challenged by all the info re psychopaths esp child molesters w/ the belief that this is an incurable predilection. And if the victimized child in question was your own . . .
Some other person on the same site posted some other really wild interpretation of the Puff the Magic Dragon lyrics that I can't recall at all now. I did point out the more common interpretation that you have supplied. There was actually a fair amt of discussion surrounding this entire topic, all of which has subsequently vanished down the memory hole.
Obviously, being a child of the 50s, it is oh, so apparent to me how much music has transformed. Sott actually posted an article referencing a meeting that made excruciatingly clear to those still in attendance (& sworn to secrecy w/ threat of death re the meeting) that the music industry was going to undergo a complete change w/ wholesome/sweet genres of music getting the heave ho & replaced w/ the explicit brand of smut/misogyny assaulting our ears today. And music videos have only served to pound that point home. A trip thru Vigilant Citizen will give one more than enough proof of the Brotherhood of the Serpent's work in that arena as well as fashion, or rather, Illuminati R Us.
Having myself a rather 'wonky' sense of humor, I've had to learn to be extra careful as to how I express that kind of humor - it can easily be misinterpreted. I do appreciate your explanation, however.
I've been following your posts & also appreciate your bringing in relevant transcript posts from the past. I really thought that I had read the majority of them, but now when I reread them, I'm like 'I don't remember that - did I miss that somehow?' So, it's been really helpful & useful to get a refresher on what transpired. Now, if I could just keep it all in the memory bank & not have it leak out!
Cheers!
JEEP said:
Jeep,
I share your sentiments about the pedophilia sickness that seems to be showing up in so many places today. If the victim was my son, daughter, granddaughter or grandson I would have a difficult time being empathetic too. I think drawing attention to the danger is important as in "knowledge protects" but it is such a difficult subject to talk about especially with children who we feel are more and more being robbed of their childhood. I suppose these problems are not new but it seemed so much safer even 50 years ago than today. Of course it could be that we only thought it wasn't a problem because it wasn't reported as much as it is today.
While I see the Illuminati symbolism being portrayed in the entertainment arena and on many info-wars type sites, it is like much of the information is conveyed in a way that is almost as much indoctrinating as being informative. This is just my recent observation and I could be mistaken. That is not to say I am not going to continue to try to learn more about such groups including the Brotherhood of the Serpent. I think "It's not over till the fat lady sings".
Well, I guess we kind of went from humor to seriousness but that is needed for balance I think. Thank you for letting me know that the posts referring to some of the earlier transcripts were helpful & useful. I was mostly just trying to answer questions based on what I could remember from reading Laura's books and the transcripts. It has been probably as useful for me as anyone because as I searched for the references I refreshed my memory and saw ideas and concepts that I either missed or was not ready to notice on the first reading.
I am OK with a "wonky" sense of humor most of the time since I am probably a little "wonky" myself. Let's hope we all can still look forward to a "time" when there will be less sadness and more "mirth".
Cheers to you too! :)
BHelmet
The Living Force
I guess the trench coat should have been a dead giveaway.JEEP said:
When I viewed the Rick Assley video, I was kind of stunned. (understatement) Now, you have said you have a wonky sense of humor, so, from that point of view, I get it. (hilarious!!!!) But seriously? He struck me as a shallow, manipulative, plastic sleezeball (masculine? ...ok, whatever). And in 1987 - year of the so-called harmonic convergence? (can't say I find that song harmonically converging) I guess the fact that song made the top 50 bad songs of 2004 is reassuring in some small way. But it is not the song that is so bad - it is the wonky video. But here is what I really want to say about it. Hey, I will even use all caps.
MOST 'LOVE' SONGS ARE NOT ABOUT LOVE AT ALL.
At least not real, unconditional love as spoken of by Saul of Tarsus or whoever penned the letters of Paul. Most love songs are self-calming illusions at best and invitations into a dysfunctional STS feeding frenzy at worst. OK, whew - got that off my chest. Probably offended a lot of folks.
So, disclaimer time: The above statements are my subjective observations and opinions only, and are are not intended to say anything negative about you, or anyone's personal musical song preferences, or level of soul evolution especially in the area of human relationships. If I have offended you, please forgive me. (Or don't.) Further disclaimer and admission: I have liked a lot of bad songs that I later realized were bad songs and I still like some bad songs that I think are good even though I should know better. (of course 'bad' is totally subjective and I don't really mean 'bad', exactly, but 'bad songs' sounds funnier than "deceptively upbeat and positive sounding songs that are, in actuality, subliminally seductive traps".) And, yes, my tongue is firmly implanted in my cheek. I will insert the winkie face: ;) to prove it.
All kidding aside, thanks for being so 'out there' and bringing this all up, Jeep. (Hmm...wasn't Jeep with Bettie Boop, or was it Chucko the Clown? NO! It was Popeye! Eugene, the Jeep! Hey, have you researched Popeye? Bet there is a lot of dark stuff there too.) Back to being serious: thanks for your presence of being which comes through in your writing. Really. I get the impression you have been through a lot, and have kept an upbeat outlook through it all. So, thanks for that contribution to organic life on earth, too. And the moon thanks you too!
IncenDiary
Jedi
Thanks so much for all the sessions!
It's been a real pleasure being [even if it's only] a vicarious lurker and I have learnt so much over the years.
Thanks Again! to all the Chateau Crew :D
It's been a real pleasure being [even if it's only] a vicarious lurker and I have learnt so much over the years.
Thanks Again! to all the Chateau Crew :D
@BHelmet
"All kidding aside, thanks for being so 'out there' and bringing this all up, Jeep. (Hmm...wasn't Jeep with Bettie Boop, or was it Chucko the Clown? NO! It was Popeye! Eugene, the Jeep!"
From my introductory post back in '09 on coming up w/ a forum identity:
Although Clueless in Third Density is probably most appropriate, I somehow got the idea of the Jeep from the old Popeye cartoons (I honestly can't remember what led me to that thought). However, in reading about Eugene the Jeep, I was very much surprised at his unique characteristics as described in Wikipedia:
"A Jeep is an animal living in a three dimensional world -in this case our world- but really belonging to a fourth dimensional world. Here's what happened. A number of Jeep life cells were somehow forced through the dimensional barrier into our world. They combined at a favorable time with free life cells of the African Hooey Hound. The electrical vibrations of the Hooey Hound cell and the foreign cell were the same. They were kindred cells. In fact, all things are, to some extent, relative, whether they be of this or some other world, now you see. The extremely favorable conditions of germination in Africa caused a fusion of these life cells. So the uniting of kindred cells caused a transmutation. The result, a mysterious strange animal. As his language is limited to the word "Jeep", Eugene primarily communicates through body language. Eugene always tells the truth, and, possessing high intelligence, is able to help humans such as Popeye and Olive Oyl solve complex problems. He makes use of a limited form of teleportation; he can disappear from one place and reappear in another, and can walk through and on walls and ceilings. These teleportation powers are said to stem from the Jeep's ability to cross into the fourth dimension."
I mean really - knowing what we know via Laura's work re 3D & 4D realities, isn't this description of Jeep rather spooky? It was the "Eugene always tells the truth" that was the deciding factor on choosing his image as my forum identity.
Well, thanks for your input - especially the disclaimer!! I vaguely remember Harmonic Convergence or even what it was about (I was never a New Ager) - that was in '87? That seems so long ago to me now. Any thought that music or music videos could be somehow nefarious simply wasn't in my awareness in any way back then. Plus, being the mother of small children, music & TV shows (Sesame St. and the like) for children was the predominate focus.
"All kidding aside, thanks for being so 'out there' and bringing this all up, Jeep. (Hmm...wasn't Jeep with Bettie Boop, or was it Chucko the Clown? NO! It was Popeye! Eugene, the Jeep!"
From my introductory post back in '09 on coming up w/ a forum identity:
Although Clueless in Third Density is probably most appropriate, I somehow got the idea of the Jeep from the old Popeye cartoons (I honestly can't remember what led me to that thought). However, in reading about Eugene the Jeep, I was very much surprised at his unique characteristics as described in Wikipedia:
"A Jeep is an animal living in a three dimensional world -in this case our world- but really belonging to a fourth dimensional world. Here's what happened. A number of Jeep life cells were somehow forced through the dimensional barrier into our world. They combined at a favorable time with free life cells of the African Hooey Hound. The electrical vibrations of the Hooey Hound cell and the foreign cell were the same. They were kindred cells. In fact, all things are, to some extent, relative, whether they be of this or some other world, now you see. The extremely favorable conditions of germination in Africa caused a fusion of these life cells. So the uniting of kindred cells caused a transmutation. The result, a mysterious strange animal. As his language is limited to the word "Jeep", Eugene primarily communicates through body language. Eugene always tells the truth, and, possessing high intelligence, is able to help humans such as Popeye and Olive Oyl solve complex problems. He makes use of a limited form of teleportation; he can disappear from one place and reappear in another, and can walk through and on walls and ceilings. These teleportation powers are said to stem from the Jeep's ability to cross into the fourth dimension."
I mean really - knowing what we know via Laura's work re 3D & 4D realities, isn't this description of Jeep rather spooky? It was the "Eugene always tells the truth" that was the deciding factor on choosing his image as my forum identity.
Well, thanks for your input - especially the disclaimer!! I vaguely remember Harmonic Convergence or even what it was about (I was never a New Ager) - that was in '87? That seems so long ago to me now. Any thought that music or music videos could be somehow nefarious simply wasn't in my awareness in any way back then. Plus, being the mother of small children, music & TV shows (Sesame St. and the like) for children was the predominate focus.
BHelmet
The Living Force
JEEP said:
I had one born in 87, so I can relate to the kid-focus thing. I was also unaware of the tremendous influences of TV/video back then. I mean, I did restrict certain cartoons based on gut feeling (Popeye was strictly out! - way too weird and 'violence is the answer') but now, in retrospect, I really wonder about the effects of the input I did allow and support/validate such as Sesame Street.
One thing I do know that I have said since I was a teenager: Walt Disney is the root of all the problems in the world. OF course I was and am only half serious, but think about it. Think about all the many generations influenced and subjected to his output. Not all good and much of it downright perverse. Plenty of analysis on youtube of all the orphans, negative, missing or killed-off mother-figures and associated trauma. I HATED Bambi - just crushing - saw it in a big theatre when I was like 5. One of my sons was utterly freaked out by Pinocchio. (the children becoming donkeys scene) As a parent you don't always think of the delicate formative state of your kids at certain ages and what the impact cartoons are going to have. Fantasia - remember the little coquettish horsey girls? I was always a sucker for that imprint. Very early unwitting programming slipped in through the back door. Cartoons and 'children's programming' has tended to fly under the radar until relatively lately. "Oh, it's just a kiddie show." While the modern offerings from cartoon network are obviously absolute garbage, the older cartoons are not without their major flaws and hooks and subliminal messaging.
Is there a cartoon thread on the forum yet?
United Gnosis
Jedi Council Member
BHelmet said:
Well, technically, this is what they are doing, knowingly or not (knowingly for most mainstream artists à la Lady Gaga, see website VigilantCitizen for analysis).
Magic being defined as the application of spiritual knowledge to obtain desired ends, a subset of which is spells, incantations used to define and mold reality. To the extent that every sentence (and its accompanying intonation) is a specific carrier of meaning, if accepted either by system 1 or system 2 of the listener, it will come to be integrated into the subjective inner landscape, thus molding the perception of experiences, thus affecting judgment, thus influencing the action/reaction profiles of large swathes of the population. If this is not "casting a spell", i don't know what is - or should i also spell it out?
Every word is magic, every sentence is a spell, and to the extent such a sentence is acknowledged/internalized, it will hold sway over the receiver. (Read it over)
(Hence the the fact that Knowledge protects, by allowing for discernment between the Real and non-real, preventing the non-real (STS) from taking hold.)
Edit: p.s. thank you to laura and all the crew for this session, and thank you to the forum for this discussion!
BHelmet said:
Hello BHelmet, I was aware of that quote. I'm not going to let that situation unsettle me, in the time I was in the Navy I had every vaccination going, so I probably have all the antibodies under the sun.
Daughter is an intellectual, and has two degrees, so there's no arguing with her.
I just point her towards the research, and let her make up her own mind.
Children grow up quickly enough, and will soon enough make up their own mind if they want to see their grandparents, while they are still alive. Hopefully, I will be.
BHelmet
The Living Force
United Gnosis said:
Hey, nicely put, United Gnosis. I like to cover myself with caveats and not speak in too many absolutes, but they way you put it - I certainly agree. And I would not have brought this up if I didn't think there was something to it. I am glad you picked up on it. And I do find it VERY fascinating. What strikes me about it all are these things:
1. I would imagine the practitioners of these arts and their handlers believe that their actions and words have an effect which gathers power to them and endears them to their supposed deity. Ultimately, of course, it all goes to the super massive black hole into the black sun/top of the STS feeding pyramid. In other words, whatever they actually gather to themselves is consumed by the higher-ups. So, in the end their victory is short-lived and their reward is in and of this 3D STS world. They empower themselves into a pirouette death spiral of STS glory.
2. Most people are unaware and go around singing Hotel California or Stairway to Heaven or Dark Horse and have no idea what is really going on or what these songs and so many others are about. e.g., being possessed by discarnate STS entities and their relationship/feelings about their lost souls, or other lovely topics of depravity sung by the occupying entities. (of course there are also those beguiling sirens that spin sweetly, sugar-coated webs: it is not all ominous darkness)
3. The overarching truth and saving grace of us all is that these spells are ineffectual and wishful thinking at the highest level by the STS illuminati/satanic/masonic/what-have-you practitioners IMO. In other words, drawing a pentagram and standing within it and calling demons into a master disc prior to pressing, or doing the same thing on national TV at the Grammies a la Katy Perry and acting out a bizarre satanic sex magick ritual does not really guarantee any particular result except to further lock in the souls of those already lost and perhaps lure a few more in who are on the periphery while adding to the general hypnosis. It does not guarantee a 4D earth locked into STS by any means.
But then you have the angle that it doesn't matter if the spells really do anything - what matters is if the minions of darkness believe they have power over the forces of nature and if the masses can be made to believe that the spells have intrinsic power. As the C's said, most of the power for altering reality and physicality is contained within the belief center of the mind - hence the battle over the mind and its beliefs. We have to be tricked and trapped through our own free will to be really tasty treats! IF we are overcooked by too much arm-twisting and forced acquiescence, we will have the energetic nutritional value of a frozen, boiled and then micro-waved TV dinner from Walmart. Sometimes I wonder if this in not why certain musical acts are allowed to put out STO oriented music and certain politicians allowed to speak freely. Or, in other words, why they don't just march in and take over.
But as you say, it takes knowledge and awareness to defend oneself against these things. And I would say the vast majority of people are unaware of how pervasive the occult sludge actually is. It never ceases to amaze me when I stop and see it all around me, and when I do, I feel a churning in the pit of my stomach at the same time. We really aren't in Kansas anymore, Toto, and I think we haven't been for a LONG time. Nice talkin'! :)
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