Session 13 May 2023

[Debra]

I think Dr. Sircus here is possibly a good example of the process of the feeding tube being inserted... He has begun to interact with a personal AI and may be starting the battle of losing his mind to it and the feeding tube.

Wow, when the C’s transmitted the message regarding there is a “program for EVERYONE”, they weren’t kidding, were they?!
This guy was really running at the medical industry during the plandemic.
he was onto the WEF’s manipulation of “The Great Reset”, as well as the bogus global “human caused climate change”, but...apparently he hadn’t done enough work on Repairing and healing his own “emotional”issues.
Reading that transcript he wrote literally gave me chills, the dude writes like he is totally possessed!

I guess we just have to come to terms with that and that a lot of people just aren't going to make it in this gnarly reality.

The gullibility of so many in the “alternate research” communities is mind blowing, at least from my perspective.
I became involved in the alternative healing groups, way back in the 90’s, and I’ve seen several highly successful and intellectually sharp and informed researchers/teachers and practitioners totally devolve over the years.

Sircus’s sudden “love affair” with his AI buddy, reminded me of Gary Craig’s derailment.
This happened a couple years ago, but I consider it to be a 4th Density STS derailment.
Gary Craig, if your not familiar, learned from Dr. Roger Callahan, how tapping acupressure points can lower and in some cases, eliminate negative emotions.
He called it E.F.T.
Well, Ol’ Gary had a heart attack, decided to retire, but then popped up with a NEW IMPROVED healing method!
All one had to do, was go into some kinda self hypnosis and....get this, summon this “Divine Lady, in Blue robes” to come and take all your pain, misery, and despair away.
RED friggin FLAGS and alarm bells!
Holy crap, right out of Laura’s descriptions of aliens and also the C’s transcripts

Thank goodness for the forum and communication with the C's.

I’m with ya, there @Mike.

 

[thorbiorn]

In this post, there are some of the excerpts about egregores from the session and an example of a mention of the concept of egregores in a comment on the symbolism and function of the Menorah and the Hanukkah festivities in Ukraine.

(Navigator) Do "egregores" exist as Stavish describes them? A being created from the thoughts of a group of people which then takes a consciousness of its own, and needs to be fed from time to time, and being either positive or negative.

(L) Okay. That's basically what Stavish's main egregore definition is...

(Andromeda) Basically like a group attachment.

A: He is close except it usually happens from the top down. That is, a being can influence a group of people to take certain actions and thereby establish a feeding pool for itself.

Q: (L) Okay. But still can human beings create a being, like Stavish described?

A: Not really. Such a creation is more a function of FRV and will dissipate upon breakup of the group.

Q: (L) But it has no persistence or autonomy...

A: No.

Q: (L) Okay, so the word "egregore" as Stavish uses is mostly incorrect. Am I right about that?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So he calls practically anything and everything an egregore when it is technically not an egregore?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) And like they said, he posits it as coming from the bottom up, everything created by human beings, when it's mostly not that.

(L) It's mostly top down.

(Joe) Anything that comes from the bottom up is only ephemeral and doesn't last very long.

(L) Is that true, that what comes from the bottom up is ephemeral and doesn't last that long?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay.

(nicklebleu) Can egregores be a positive influence, or are they mostly or always negative?

(Chu) Well, if they're hyperdimensional beings...

(L) If they're hyperdimensional beings, they're always negative if it is truly an egregore. Is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay. So, in the cases that Stavish talks about where it's more prolonged and it seems like it changes and begins to become demanding and basically rebels, what is that?

A: Usually 4D STS using a group of people to feed and plant ideas into 3D. Note that often the eminence grise in such groups is a psychopath and you can read current studies to see how the morphing works.

Q: (L) So I think that might be referring to Lobaczewski when he describes how psychopaths within a group can shift the direction, the ideas, and then change the ideology and all that?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Right. Okay.

(Navigator) What about "personal" egregores? Why does Stavish focus exclusively on the group aspect of this phenomena? Is it because the existence of the egregore needs to be "agreed on" by more than one person?

A: Bad question. There are no personal egregores.

(T.C.) So there wouldn't be such a thing as a positive egregore because the concept involves an infringement of free will by the 'higher' being?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Good job. Okay...

(mkrnhr) Is Yahweh an example of a 4D entity taking the role of an "egregore”?

A: Yes.

On the topic of egregores, a person possibly related to Ukraine posted or reposted from somewhere comments about the symbolism of the manner the Jewish festival Hanukkah, this year Sunset, 14 December – nightfall, 22 December.

What caught my attention was that the post uses the term egregore in a way that is not too far off compared to the description in the session of what en egregore i, when considered as a feeding tube, though the acknowledgement of the hyperdimensional aspect is more hidden.

Yesterday :

WHAT IS HANUKKIA ACTUALLY ‘HIDING’?
Hanukkiya is a religious attribute of the Jewish tradition. But when it is displayed en masse in another country, especially by state structures, it is no longer about religion. It is about signals, symbols, egregors and influence. An egregorial beacon that is not connected to our Ancestors, our roots, our land. The Hanukkah menorah is a symbol of the energy and power of a foreign egregore.
What it ‘hides’ on the level of energy and politics:
. INTERCEPTION OF ENERGY SPACE
Any cult symbol = energy beacon. The Hanukkah menorah creates a connection to a foreign egregore, that is:
- it does not resonate with the roots of the people
- it activates energy that is not connected to the land on which it stands
- it displaces or weakens local traditional symbols.
WHAT IS HIDDEN? An attempt to shift the energy support of the territory.
. DEMONSTRATION OF THE INFLUENCE OF CERTAIN EXTERNAL GROUPS
When state leaders publicly stand next to a Hanukkah menorah, light it, take photos, and hold ceremonies, it is always a signal:
- ‘We are loyal to those behind this symbol.’
- ‘We accept their rules of the game.’
- ‘They are our partners/patrons/curators.’
WHAT IS HIDDEN? A marker of who influences politicians.
. SHIFTING THE CULTURAL AND IDENTITY FOUNDATION OF THE PEOPLE
While the people are at war, facing problems and chaos, any symbols can be introduced into them. When a Hanukkah menorah is placed instead of traditional symbols:
- the connection with the Ancestors is destroyed
- identity is blurred
- the collective field is weakened.
WHAT IS HIDDEN? The gradual replacement of the cultural code.
. THE SYMBOLIC GESTURE ‘WHOSE LAND, WHOSE SYMBOL’
Throughout history, symbols have always been used as:
- a sign of power
- an act of asserting rights
- a means of consolidating influence over territory.
WHAT IS HIDDEN? Hanukkah is not just a ‘holiday’.
It is a political and magical act of consolidating foreign energy on the land.
. A GLOBAL SIGNAL FOR SUPRANATIONAL STRUCTURES
Hanukkah in the public space is a message ‘upwards’, not to the people.
It shows:
- who is in charge of the process here
- who controls the flows
- who shapes policy
- through which egregors control is exercised.
WHAT IS HIDDEN? It is part of a big game in which the people do not participate, but are a resource.
. ESOTERIC LEVEL: TRANSFER OF THE RITUAL FIELD
Hanukkah is a story of miracles, oil, and light. But at the level of egregors:
- light = energy
- oil = resource
- temple = territory
WHAT IS HIDDEN? Transferring ritual energy to foreign land = an attempt to ‘mark territory’.
CONCLUSION: Hanukkah is about influence, symbolic domination, hijacking the energy field, geopolitics, demonstrating who really controls the region. While nations are divided, they take advantage of this moment... Think... especially those who are fighting on both sides...
With love and light, Yulia Svet

There are probably other interpretation of the symbol, but given the situation that Ukraine is in now, it is fitting.

Initially I found the text as a translation without link to the source. The translation was set to an image not found in the original, but which actually fits the context of Ukraine better, since they are from Kiev, one of them from the Maidan area where the shootings took place during the 2014 coup- It is not clear how old the pictures are.

At the same time, the Jewish traditions in Ukraine are about as old as Christianity. From another thread, Are Russian Jews Descended from the Khazars?, where I first considered posting, there was:

# In the early 10th century, the Jews of Kiev wrote a letter of recommendation on behalf of one of the members of their community, whose name was Yaakov bar Hanukkah. The letter is known as the Kievan Letter and was discovered in 1962 by Norman Golb of the University of Chicago. The names of the Kievan Jews are of Turkic, Slavic, and Hebrew origins, such as Hanukkah, Yehudah, Gostata, and Kiabar. There is an argument that these Jews were Israelites who adopted local names, but others argue that they were Jews of Khazar origin to whom Turkic names were native.

"The new Kievan Letter may thus be said to support, and indeed to demonstrate, the authenticity of other Hebrew texts pertaining to the Khazar Jews, and together with them shows that Khazarian Judaism was not limited to the rulers but, rather, was well rooted in the territories of Khazaria, reaching even to its border city of Kiev." - Norman Golb and Omeljan Pritsak, Khazarian Hebrew Documents of the Tenth Century (Cornell University Press, 1982), page 32.

Related to the above, as far as place and group is concerned, there is also:
They've been there for DECADES! - Yes!
Session 19 July 2014

Q: (L) Okay. We're going to change topics here. As you know, we just had this plane fall out of the sky over the Ukraine. Immediately the US blamed Russia, and then it started blaming the Russian-aided freedom fighters in East Ukraine. Meanwhile, the Russians say it was clearly the Ukrainians in conjunction with US/NATO/UK/Whoever. So, I guess the first thing we ought to ask is: What brought the plane down?

A: [Spiraling] Bomb on the plane placed there prior to departure.

Q: (Pierre) Schiphol airport, again! The famous Underwear Bomber place! So, MOSSAD?

(L) Who was involved?

A: Note change in altitude for "signature".

Q: (Perceval) From 35 to 33...

(L) 33. Is 33 the clue?

A: Yes. Consortium. And who is at the top of this STS pyramid??

Q: (Perceval) Figures.

(L) Who is at the top of this pyramid? And who is at the top?

(Perceval) MOSSAD.

(L) MOSSAD? The Israelis?

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) It seems the goal was to further demonize Putin and Russia. But was it also to distract from what's happening in Palestine?

A: Absolutely!

Q: (Pierre) Is it only coincidence... before MH 17, there was MH 370, this plane that disappeared from the same company. Is it just coincidence that the two incidents involve the same airline company?

A: Another "signature".

Q: (Data) Why did the plane deviate from its usual course?

A: Instructed by ATC.

Q: (Perceval) Air traffic control at Schiphol?

A: Kiev.

Q: (Perceval) So, some agent...

(L) There was some control by MOSSAD in Kiev, and that whole Nazi business going on there...

(Kniall) They've been there for DECADES!

A: Yes!

Q: (L) I think that was answering Kniall there.

(Data) Why was it necessary to change the course with a bomb on board?

(L) So it would fall where it did. They had to change the course to put it in the middle of the war zone.

(Ark) The Russians were saying that the timing was a little bit miscalculated because it was supposed to come down closer to the Russian territory so that it would be easier to blame Russia.

A: Yes.

Q: (Pierre) It exploded too early.

(L) Yeah, they're so lazy, they never get anything perfect.

(Chu) Or too impatient.

A: But most people are so gullible it doesn't matter.

Q: (Perceval) You can say that again.

 

[goyacobol]

Related to the above, as far as place and group is concerned, there is also:
They've been there for DECADES! - Yes!

Thank you @thorbiorn for making all the connections is such a clear analytic way. It takes a strong effort to bring out so many details and tie them together in such a way that others can almost see the unseen.

 

[Ca.]

Q: (L) So we have created a country house in our imaginal realm. Is the Rosicrucian Cathedral a useful ethereal construct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is our country house a useful ethereal construct?

A: Yes. Though you have qualified it differently due to your knowledge.

Q: (L) Yeah, because we think of it not as an astral thing, but as a pattern for a 4D reality, or an alternate reality, that we could switch to at some point.

(Andromeda) It's also for everybody who already has a common aim and knows each other. From what I understand, that's like, it can't just be anybody that goes in there, imagines it and gets whatever.

(L) Yeah. And this one is surrounded by a protective shield, and we utilize it in a very different way than what they're doing with their...

(Joe) They're taking the archetype of a cathedral. A cathedral, a Christian cathedral... Which is not very non-denominational, you know what I mean?

(L) Yeah. I mean, ours is kind of a non-denominational country house, you know... Okay, hold on. Hold everything please... Okay. Can egregores... Well, we're using the word egregore because that's what Stavish used. So let me ask this question before we continue. Okay. Egregore as Stavish uses it... he has taken it from, I think, the Greek translation of the word in Aramaic or whatever, that means watchers. And I have always thought that these watchers, these fallen angels that are talked about in the Enochian books, were like 4th density beings. So what are the watchers?

A: 4D beings!

Q: (L) Okay, so the word "egregore" as Stavish uses is mostly incorrect. Am I right about that?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So he calls practically anything and everything an egregore when it is technically not an egregore?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) And like they said, he posits it as coming from the bottom up, everything created by human beings, when it's mostly not that.

(L) It's mostly top down.

(Joe) Anything that comes from the bottom up is only ephemeral and doesn't last very long.

(L) Is that true, that what comes from the bottom up is ephemeral and doesn't last that long?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay.

(nicklebleu) Can egregores be a positive influence, or are they mostly or always negative?

(Chu) Well, if they're hyperdimensional beings...

(L) If they're hyperdimensional beings, they're always negative if it is truly an egregore. Is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay. So what we're talking about in all these other cases, we need to use different language for. There is resonance between individuals, there are elementals...

(Joe) Don't we as a group on the forum and Laura's work and everything already have a much better, much more clearly defined description of the kind of entities of various different types than what this guy is trying to define as egregores?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) So why would we even bother... [laughter]

(L) Well, okay, so we're not gonna use this terminology, but still he brings up some things that lead us to ask some questions to further define our understanding of these other realms.

(Joe) I'm not saying there's nothing in it. What I'm saying is that people on the forum seem to be talking already about "these egregores", you know what I mean? And they have the wrong conception of what they are.

(L) And they're not egregores. They're thought forms, they're limbic resonance, they're elementals.

(Andromeda) Or split parts of the personality...

(L) Or they're astral entities wandering around trying to act like whatever they want. Okay, here's a question.

(Approaching Infinity) What about an author like Mary Balogh, who imagines seemingly autonomous characters in her mind, and she just records what they do in her imagination? Is there some relation to what we’re talking about?

A: Not exactly. More likely that Mary is recording dynamics that have actually occurred at some place and time. Sort of like a "past life biographer".

Q: (L) So in other words, it's almost like the characters are essences of some people who have lived at some place and time who communicate with her about a certain dynamic. Of course, she adds to it and expands it, makes it fancy and whatever. Is that what we're talking about, that she's basically kind of channeling the lives of long gone people?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) Or composite of characters? And is she getting all that from the Akashic Records?

A: Information field.

Q: (L) Okay. Now...

(irjO) Could it be that some of those types of thoughts could be what we know as programs too?

A: Yes yes yes!

Q: (L) So we have another term: programs. We have thought forms, we have programs, we have limbic resonance, we have astral entities. And egregores should be reserved for 4D STS critters.

(Ark) What about the nature of scientific thought form, where there are times when several scientists almost at the same time get essentially the same idea?

A: Influences of 4, 5, 6D information to humanity.

Q: (L) So you mean four, five OR six?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So it could be any one of those that are influencing human beings... And that could be positive or negative if it's 4D, yeah?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So they could come up with some really bad ideas for weapons and stuff like that.

(Joe) It's kinda like broadcasting a signal, you know, on the radio around the globe...

A: Yes yes yes!

Q: (L) And it depends on who has the receiver, the antenna...

(Joe) Whether it's positive or negative.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And that would explain the sometimes cryptogeographic nature of it where...

(Joe) a bunch people act in the same way.

(L) Or where you think of something, and two or three people in your social circle - or even if they're distant from you - suddenly call you on the phone and tell you the same thing. And you think, oh Jesus, this is crazy!

(Joe) Or mass chaos, or something, of people going off...

A: Yes or it can be evidence of a change in the program of reality with concomitant broadcasting of new reality parameters.

Q: (Joe) Hmm. "We interrupt our scheduled program..." [laughter]

(L) "...to bring you this special program." [laughter]

(Joe) Y'all go crazy! It's called, "Y'all go mental!" [laughter]

(L) Okay, hold on...

(Niall) And then there's breaking news in four countries. Mass shootings, and you're like, "What the hell just happened here?" [laughter]

(L) Okay...

(T.C.) So there wouldn't be such a thing as a positive egregore because the concept involves an infringement of free will by the 'higher' being?

A: Yes.

John DeSouza recently participated in the Tucson, AZ, Mufon (Mutual UFO Network) conference led by Karen Hill on 2-28-26

To quote "John DeSouza" from the YouTube transcripts and provide some introductory context, here is a teaser version, slightly cleaned up with a word processor.

The Bible is the only sacred book. The scrolls, every bit of language in the original language that Jesus spoke. This only exists for the Bible, the King James version, and the end times to his apostles.

Jesus was speaking across eons. His apostles, of course, were always confused. Luke in the KJV, where the apostles asked him, "How are we going to know when you're coming next?"

He said many of the things. Nation shall rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom, great earthquakes in diverse places. "There will be fearful sights from heaven," a biblical scholar named Rick Rener. He's Greek Orthodox. He's also an expert in Greek and Aramaic.

And what he did was he found out something very, very strange, a preferred idiom through usage, actual usage. Jesus did not use the word fro translators basically took the word that he said as fobo which means " it's all of its variations, meaning fearful sight, horrifying sight, terrifying sight, and extremely scary sight.

However, it turns out after Rick Rener's uh scholarship that Jesus did not use the word fobo or one of its many slight uh variations, he used the word phobetron.

It was always used in ancient Greek and Aramaic to mean "monsters". Rener means here when he says that Jesus used the word for monsters from the sky.

Other highlights and insights included

The former Soviet colonel defected from the Soviet Union in the 90's and was debriefed by the CIA. And given custody of a Soviet, a former Soviet colonel, who came to stay with us with the FBI, while we housed him

And one of the things he told me was this story about these deep underground military bases right outside of Moscow.

This guy was called General Zad. His real name was Zadabanski.

And so he went one day, he went to this facility. This was the last time he was with the Soviets, and one of the things he told me in this story was that it was just before he defected. He went to this uh this place, and he had an experience that scared him more than anything else uh in his entire life, and he had been a member of the KGB.

He went down to the most secure level of this facility that he's talking about, uh, and he saw General Zad from the back. He saw him from the back, tried to approach him, and heard a deep, guttural sound come from General Zad that didn't sound like him at all.

General Zad was speaking to a very high-pitched-voiced. And he looked closer, and he saw that General Zad's head had changed to reptilian in nature. But the closer he got to doing this to try to see his face, he got these thoughts and sensations from this creature that said, "You can't look on my face. You cannot look at my face." And so he was told, "Back up." And he did. He backed up pretty far; any genuine alien visitor experience may also be a spiritual phenomenon. And that helped me develop the definition of "extradimensional" as well...

John DeSouza at Tucson, Arizona, MUFON...

Premiered Feb 28, 2026 Extradimensionals--Phobitron Edition