Session 21 September 2024

My best guess is this happens because our choices cause changes in the body. Like say we let our anger flare up and burn out of control. This corresponds with changes in the nervous system, the cardiovascular system, as well as the endocrine system - just about everything. Our health and mood is really tied closely to our peptides.
A fun curiosity.

I just saw the superhero movie Madame Web and there is a biologist girl who studies spiders that, with their bite, give superpowers to the person they bite.

The daughter of this biologist girl, when reading her mother's work diary, closes it in boredom and says:

"Peptides, otherwise she talks about peptides everywhere."

We know who can inspire screenwriters and I was surprised by that phrase when I remembered your post.
 
I was always under the impression from what I've gleaned from the C's that when we get to 5D we experience the full force of the pain we have caused others, the guilt of all our actions, etc. So I've never really thought of 5D as somewhere where you go to have a holiday from STS.

Actually, the way you mention STS at the beginning of the quote, you almost use it synonymously with suffering, but for many, an STS environment is extremely pleasurable - just not forever.

So I don't think 5D is a necessarily more pleasurable experience for a 3D STS being than 3D STS itself.
As observed I was indeed associating STS with suffering. The situation is more nuanced but I was trying to verbalize my immediate thoughts in a concise manner. I will attempt to expand on the subject matter.

Future me here, I seem to have gone on a bit of a ramble here trying to outline some of my thoughts, a lot of them are drawn from the C’s material, ‘Life & Afterlife’ by Michael Prescot and ‘The Life Beyond the Veil’ by Rev.G. Vale Owen.

If I was to try and condense the issue on my mind into a single question I might go for
“In general is it productive for an individual to have multiple 5D experiences across a single incarnation on STS dominated 3D Earth?“

To which with my current understanding I would expect the reality to be dependent on the individual. But probably for the majority of people I would say no. This does not dictate whether the action is good or bad the choice is open to the free will of the individual, but people can want and choose to do things that are not helpful or unhealthy to them.



If a person visited 5D multiple times in a single incarnation and each time experienced a thorough life review. I think this would be likely to reduce the impact of these revelations. If the person first saw their life and ways in which they could better interact with others but back in 3D fails to do so, will another reminder of this help push them forwards or might it make them wallow in failure.

In the event the person does react positively to the initial visit, might they start to become reliant on the review process and subsequent visits to instruct them on how to better their behavior, dulling their actual judgment and discernment capabilities? This may be violating your own free will in a sense. It may have been better for them to practice application of their knowledge and hone it via networking.

I hope you might understand my thoughts on why repetitive visitations to 5D within a single incarnation especially if intentional might be unhealthy for ones spiritual development at least from the perspective of a being trying to increase STO polarity.

Even from the perspective of a more STS polarized beings perspective it might be disadvantageous to their path. A 5D experience might increase hatred of creation or induce fear of mortality that might propel you further along the STS path. But the 4D control system may not be present to the same degree as in 3D, the occasionally mentioned silver cord is meant to be impossible to manipulate by outside forces to my understanding. Keep in mind STS is all about control so any event that interferes with that is probably perceived negatively. Repeated visits might push someone away from the materialism centered doctrine that seems to be currently favored. There may even be a slight risk that in 5D they might contemplate their true nature and choose to turn away from the darkness.



Perception of the afterlife of course is based upon ones perspective. Free will is still present in such a place so people do not have to have a pleasant impression of their surroundings even if they might be described as beautiful in objective terms. Nor are people compelled to be happy. Sad things still exist and can be observed; darker more STS aligned realms (maybe there is a better term) in the afterlife and of course 3D Earth. Though people are no longer impaired by a human vehicle subject to 4D STS tampering, trauma is not erased. As we know trauma can in fact cause issues and build up over many lifetimes. Life in 5D requires adjusting to and can take some ‘time’ which can be further impacted by the circumstances of one’s life and particularly death.

5D may not be a holiday from life but it is the contemplation zone where one can recover from the high energy demanding existence of physical incarnation; as well as issues that can come with it. In more lighter/positive realms of the afterlife it seems that the occupants and higher beings put effort into making the environment and architecture suited to aid in this purpose and others suiting their needs.

A life review is not all doom and gloom and in a positive realm those with soul connections to you will be available to support you in the process if willing to accept such help. I think it is not unreasonable to think that for a person without high STS polarization lighter realms of 5D might be more pleasant than 3D STS Dominated Earth. Thus my suggestion that repeat visits in a single incarnation might have negative results.

Keep in mind that though 3D humanity on Earth is STS to some degree, many people (but not all) seem to experience positive afterlife realms.

It seems that things are organized to where they belong in a sense. Strong anticipation of a specific afterlife may result in ending up in one conforming to these beliefs until they are able to open up to the reality of 5D. More STS beings will end up in realms relatively darker than higher ones and dislike the light given off by them.

If a person is not comfortable with their location they can call for aid to receive help to escape darker place or else make the journey themselves; the second appears the more challenging approach. In the same way there are realms and beings of light brighter than others too much so even for those comfortable in relatively light realms; light is knowledge. The separation of people by alignment and awareness seems like a natural process.

I will end this ramble with some words reportedly from the deceased Mrs. Owen mother of Rev.G.Vale Owen in his book ‘The Life Beyond the Veil’; pg 16-17 in my version.

“the influences around those in the darkness here are much more evil than the influences on earth, where good influences are ever mingling with the bad. It is only when careless and wicked people get over here that they realize the awful task before them; and that is why so many of them remain for ages in a condition of hopelessness and despair.

When they are safely over the bridge they are welcomed by those on the slopes where grass and trees grow, and they are just stupefied with delight, in spite of the gradualness of their preparation.

For they have not yet become used to love and its sweetness after their experience of the opposite down there.”
 
I can’t find any peace and comfort in anything, feel like my body is falling apart, I’ve gotten ultra sensitive, and generally just spend most of my time trying to convince myself somehow that being alive on earth doesn’t suck, because it does suck. I can see how sudden death would be ecstasy!

I’m open to tips on how to help life suck less.
I should elaborate and add that I have a 13 month old that doesn’t give me much time to myself except at the end of the day for about an hour before I’m too tired to be awake anymore, then I’m up multiple times through the night, sometimes for hours.
I’m beyond exhausted, I just have to keep on going though, I don’t have any options but to keep on going and I just want to hide under a rock some days and pretend I don’t exist.
This isn’t new for me, I’ve spent my whole life feeling the futility of existence and trying to out step the depression that stalks. It is a constant task that won’t leave me alone. It’s just so tiring.
She cried for 8 months straight, we tried every sort of sleep and relaxation aids to help her chill out. Now it’s at the point of just doing what she wants, and hoping she’ll sleep all night, eventually. I was 4 before I slept through the night :(
I was planning to answer, but then, as the conversation unfolded, I noticed other members had already answered, and each time, you added extra information to clarify the situation and explain that you had already done it or looked into it. There seems to be little left to add, and I fear what I meant to write will be of little help.

As someone else mentioned previously, and if you haven't done so already, my first guess was to suggest you look into Post Partum Depression. The lack of sleep you are experiencing might be a symptom of this condition or might be a factor that worsens the condition.

Finding help such as a nanny might also be of great help for everyone in the household, as you guessed.

Then, like another member said, every human is different and we must learn to navigate the situation, whether with ourselves or with our children. There has to be solutions to every situation, at least I hope so. Keep searching and look up specialists for you or for the baby, if needed. May it be behavioral, food and supplements, exercises, spending more time outdoors, etc.

Practicing daily good habits should help alleviate some of the "downs", such as being grateful, EE, gentle physical exercises (such as Qi Gong, Tai Chi, Gyrokinesis, Pilates, Yoga, aquaform), etc.

I too have my days when I'm pissed at Earth and Humanity in general. That it all sucks, knowing everything could be completely different (as in living in communities like in the movie Avatar for one example), and that most people are like Goldfish in a round bocal, not even realizing there is something outside their darn bowl. Then, when I compare myself with others, I start to envy what they have that I "lack" or "should be having" too! Such as having a nice house in the countryside, or a farm, instead of living in a shitty apartment. Which in turn makes me upset at my life for having made the "wrong" choice which placed me where I stand now. But then, I would not be the same if I had made different choices... So it's a mental hamster wheel, and I got bored with it, having suffered more than enough for decades, I stepped down from it and I'm now trying to climb off the fish bowl. But sometimes I go back to spin in the wheel for 5 min 😉

A more personal share regarding babies: my daughter was an easy baby and my son was easy too, but when we came back from the hospital, he refused to sleep on his back in his Moise (he would not fall asleep at all unless placed on his belly). Plus the breastfeeding at night is a killer. So I found a great solution: I have a recliner sofa Lazyboy type, extra comfy and super padded, 2 pillows on each side for my arms, and loads of fluffy warm blankets. I slept in it for 3 weeks straight with my boy on my belly (skin to skin, belly to belly). When he woke up for breastfeeding, it was a matter of plugging him, and 10 min later we were both back to sleep with minimal disturbances. I can say I almost did not lack any sleep with him. I was able to gradually and slowly transition him to sleeping in a vibrating rocking baby seat, then in my bed, then in his bed.
He never accepted bottles either and I breastfed him until 2. He gradually waned by himself, and at some point, I stopped taking the milk producing pills, so there was nothing left to drink anyway.

Wishing you the best, hang in there 🌹
 
Thanks for sharing, friends. Hard work to me. Three days of reading... :)
About the end of the chat, and for the world issues nowadays seems, you can read the very short story
"It was on fire when I lay down on it", by Robert Fulghum.
Thanks.

A small-town emergency quad was summoned to a house where smoke was pouring about upstairs window. The crew broke and found a man in a smouldering bed. After rescuing him and dousing the mattress, the obvious question was asked, ‘How did this happen?’ His response: ‘I don’t know, It was on fire when I lay down on it’.
 
Just something that occurred while re-reading the session but has been kind of brewing into my mind for a while - but to me everything is kinda ridiculous.

The food you eat? Toxic! The products you use? Toxic! Beauty products to make you feel pretty or just have fun with your look (women will know what I mean)? Toxic! The air you breath? Toxic! And now your dentist? Toxic too! Get your root canal without anaesthesia, babe.

When you add up everything, it's like we're supposed to live off the grid in a wood somewhere, grow our own food and just be one with nature or something, and the thing is not everybody can or want to do that. Honestly, thank you but no thank you. I'm not Tarzan.

Also, because of the nature of how life works, life wants to go on, which means that there are hormonal, biological and societal (aka peer pressure/ tradition) mechanism which effectively ensures that life keeps on going through people reproducing. People will give a lot of grand reasons as to why they had kids, but in the grand scheme of things, it generally comes down to the 3 things aforementioned plus perhaps past life karma. But reproducing for what, when the world you live in wants to snuff you out? There's a paradox there imo. And a dumb one at that.

Life wants to thrive, but the world you live wants to kill you. And I've said this in other posts elsewhere, but these days tons of kids are born with autism of varying level. Yes, there's vaccines and all that, but I also think that our body are so overloaded with toxins from so many different areas that our genes are damaged and we're producing damaged version of ourselves. Humanity is a dying race in a dying world. So, it's not only that world wants to damage you, it also wants to damage your line (which is always kinda weird too me because if you're creating whole generation who'll never be able to live independently due to mental disorders and perhaps other complex health issues, you're essentially removing workers from the workforce while creating people who'll need care for life. On the flip side, you're creating a lot of suffering for their parents/ family and society at large).

It's not even that I think that everything is futile. It just feels very dumb to me. Like ok, the entire world is toxic and everything is designed to cause harm and pain, but because my soul chose to incarnate (you know growth, learning and all that jazz) I somehow got to live in this toxic world till the Universe finally takes pity on all us and free us from our misery by making us die from a plague, civil wars, hunger or major cataclysms. Does it not feel like a stupid joke to anyone else?
 
I was always under the impression from what I've gleaned from the C's that when we get to 5D we experience the full force of the pain we have caused others, the guilt of all our actions, etc. So I've never really thought of 5D as somewhere where you go to have a holiday from STS.

Actually, the way you mention STS at the beginning of the quote, you almost use it synonymously with suffering, but for many, an STS environment is extremely pleasurable - just not forever.

So I don't think 5D is a necessarily more pleasurable experience for a 3D STS being than 3D STS itself.

Very accurate, I was thinking something similaryou mention.

From my point of view part of the experience in 5D would be like experiencing consequences that one has created in other individuals...

Let's take an example: suppose a murderer kills a member of a family, I think the murderer being in 5D would feel the pain and suffering he has caused to that family and extremely at a more intense level simply by being in 5D. Now let's imagine people like Hitler or Genghis Khan who have murdered billions and caused great suffering around the world, what would the experience be like for them? Here I think the C's in the WAVE have mentioned that Hitler was "sleep" and in recent sessions they mentioned that these types of individuals are somehow "subsumed" maybe waiting for the WAVE for somehow when this planet goes to 4D they can reincarnate on the STS side.

On the other hand we have the STO way, those who possess amazing knowledge and in their actions cause consequences that help others, for those individuals who help others by sharing knowledge I think they would feel full gratitude or jubilee in 5D.
 
Does it not feel like a stupid joke to anyone else?
What you described is just the physical side of the equation, and in itself it does look pretty grim. However, much more important than that is the metaphysical side - the problems and challenges are there so that we can learn and grow from them and raise our frequency resonance vibration. And this increase is kept beyond this lifetime. As the C's said many times, the soul matters much more than the body.

When you add up everything, it's like we're supposed to live off the grid in a wood somewhere, grow our own food and just be one with nature or something, and the thing is not everybody can or want to do that.
Why not? Especially if growing your own food becomes pretty much the only way to avoid being poisoned through commercial food? The best way to do it is of course as a community of like-minded people. There are also less work-intensive ways of producing food, eg. "food forests" and perennial agriculture. An alternative is to get your food directly from farmers you trust.
 
I was planning to answer, but then, as the conversation unfolded, I noticed other members had already answered, and each time, you added extra information to clarify the situation and explain that you had already done it or looked into it. There seems to be little left to add, and I fear what I meant to write will be of little help.

As someone else mentioned previously, and if you haven't done so already, my first guess was to suggest you look into Post Partum Depression. The lack of sleep you are experiencing might be a symptom of this condition or might be a factor that worsens the condition.

Finding help such as a nanny might also be of great help for everyone in the household, as you guessed.

Then, like another member said, every human is different and we must learn to navigate the situation, whether with ourselves or with our children. There has to be solutions to every situation, at least I hope so. Keep searching and look up specialists for you or for the baby, if needed. May it be behavioral, food and supplements, exercises, spending more time outdoors, etc.

Practicing daily good habits should help alleviate some of the "downs", such as being grateful, EE, gentle physical exercises (such as Qi Gong, Tai Chi, Gyrokinesis, Pilates, Yoga, aquaform), etc.

I too have my days when I'm pissed at Earth and Humanity in general. That it all sucks, knowing everything could be completely different (as in living in communities like in the movie Avatar for one example), and that most people are like Goldfish in a round bocal, not even realizing there is something outside their darn bowl. Then, when I compare myself with others, I start to envy what they have that I "lack" or "should be having" too! Such as having a nice house in the countryside, or a farm, instead of living in a shitty apartment. Which in turn makes me upset at my life for having made the "wrong" choice which placed me where I stand now. But then, I would not be the same if I had made different choices... So it's a mental hamster wheel, and I got bored with it, having suffered more than enough for decades, I stepped down from it and I'm now trying to climb off the fish bowl. But sometimes I go back to spin in the wheel for 5 min 😉

A more personal share regarding babies: my daughter was an easy baby and my son was easy too, but when we came back from the hospital, he refused to sleep on his back in his Moise (he would not fall asleep at all unless placed on his belly). Plus the breastfeeding at night is a killer. So I found a great solution: I have a recliner sofa Lazyboy type, extra comfy and super padded, 2 pillows on each side for my arms, and loads of fluffy warm blankets. I slept in it for 3 weeks straight with my boy on my belly (skin to skin, belly to belly). When he woke up for breastfeeding, it was a matter of plugging him, and 10 min later we were both back to sleep with minimal disturbances. I can say I almost did not lack any sleep with him. I was able to gradually and slowly transition him to sleeping in a vibrating rocking baby seat, then in my bed, then in his bed.
He never accepted bottles either and I breastfed him until 2. He gradually waned by himself, and at some point, I stopped taking the milk producing pills, so there was nothing left to drink anyway.

Wishing you the best, hang in there 🌹
Naww thank you for taking the time to reply and share your story. I was feeling like I shouldn’t be doing this or that (breastfeeding on demand, pandering to her whinging, taking her to my bed etc) but I really have realised I’m just doing what I’m doing because it is what we are doing, and there’s a lot of relief in releasing the ideas that others, professional opinion and what not, placed on us as parents and expectation that things should look a certain way.

I often wonder who I’m sizing myself up against because they must be pretty amazing for me to never feel like I’m good enough or worthy enough. May be I should just start comparing myself to what the highest good for ME and my immediate surrounding of people who rely on me to be the best version I can be of ME.

Gosh, what revelations.
Amazing how much less depressed I feel in the past few days just by opening up about it.

Was just telling a friend that there is really no place on earth that I think compares to right here on this amazing forum with such beautiful soulled people who know how to love and care and give and take in an ever increasing harmonious way.
This really is the epitome of service to others. I thank you all so heartfelt-ly for being who you are.
A great and mighty soul group, headed for a quantum leap- most certainly.
 
Thank you so much for this session!

The pre- and post- session discussions are such a beautiful addition, as they both demonstrate and encourage networking in a more objective manner, similar to what is outlined in the Terms and Rules of the forum.

When you have never physically sat in on a session, for me, it's not a simple act to imagine what the channeling portion looks like - even with the aid of Laura's Knowledge and Being series.

However, having discussions, imagining discussions and reading discussions among the network feels different. It feels like a powerful way to open, strengthen and grow as a forum and a network.

On Joe Dispenza, it's close to what I sensed. I am so grateful that you asked, @dugdeep.

There are many like him on the scene, there were maybe others before him, and there maybe other after him too.

I wonder about Dr. Sue Morter and Kevin Trudeau. I wonder if it's worth asking questions about Dr. Morter and Mr. Trudeau. I'll shadd what I can on them to introduce them.

Dr. Sue Morter is the daughter of the founder of The Morter Institute. Her father created The B.E.S.T. Technique, and she refined it. She had an experience of what sounds like an OBE, where she may have had a glimpse of 4D or 5D.

From this experience, she wrote a book sharing about "The Energy Codes" (the book is called "The Energy Codes".) She teaches BodyAwake Yoga.

The piezoelectric effect from contracting muscles, and then potentially stimulating the parasympathetic nervous system, is interesting as this occurs in yoga with the Bandhas.

Mula Bandha, Sanskrit for Root Lock, for example, is contracting the pelvic floor muscles and those around the coccyx and sacrum, for a Root Lock, which is associated with the Root Chakra.

These are my words on her, as there is so much more details. When I searched the forum to see if there was any information on her, I found nothing.

As for Kevin Trudeau... well, in a nutshell, Mr. Trudeau was jailed for maybe 8 or 9 years for his book "Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About" apparently.

Now, he is out of jail with a lot of legal fees of which he shares they are trying to put him in a position such that he is unable to pay and they have ground, or find other grounds, to put him back into prison.

Mr. Trudeau shares that what he shares, at least some of what he shares, was and is taught in secret societies.

Mr. Trudeau works with Thought Field Therapy, and I can personally share that he has recommended The B.E.S.T. Technique, from The Morter Institute, as mentioned above.

What is this potential connection here? If it is worth it to explore further, ask about and discuss, that's one of my questions.

That's the best I can summarise on those two for the time, without copying and pasting some generalised search engine result.
 
Thank you to the Chateau team for sharing this interesting session.

While the following comment could also fit a Geopolitical thread, it might also fit here. There was:
A: [...]Explosive revelations and events coming! Goodbye.

Q: (Joe) Well there have been explosive events all over the place.

(Niall) Israel is getting…
Explosive event?
Last night: Dozens of Iranian ballistic missile impacts reported after nearly 200 are launched at Israel; answer for murder of Nasarallah
Explosive revelation?
This morning Vovan and Lexus uploaded a video to Rumble (not available in some countries): Prank with Mike Pompeo
They write on TG, if translated:
We managed to talk to Pompeo twice: on behalf of an African official and from Poroshenko, who is recognized as a terrorist association.

The politician immediately began to give out "harmful" advice: everyone in Ukraine should work so that Biden and the State Department would allow Ukraine to strike with long-range weapons:

"If Russians feel safe in the western part of Russia, in Moscow and St. Petersburg, this conflict will continue for years."

After the "defeat of Russia", Pompeo is sure... the Russians need to be pulled back to their side and "be friends" against China.

"There is hope that the Russians will come to the conclusion that they also want to be part of the Western trading system. This means that it is necessary to return them to the European, not the Asian model. We need to convince them that Russians are in a better position with us than with China."

At the same time, Mike admitted that in America, most of the population does not believe that Zelensky can win, and many Republicans oppose assistance to Ukraine."

In their opinion, the Ukrainian leadership is broken, it is corrupt. Why would we spend American taxpayers' money there? The United States is not ready to allow Ukraine to do what is necessary to achieve victory."

Pompeo recalled how, under Trump, the United States supplied weapons to Ukraine:"

It was the right thing for America. We knew it right away."

And Pompeo, who is called the curator of the church schism in Ukraine, called for finishing off the Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate:"

You need to oust the Moscow Patriarchate from Ukraine. There is a narrative that the Moscow Patriarchate is right and that Zelensky is persecuting Christians. This is crazy. But I hear it from people from time to time."

About the prospects of Ukraine's membership in the EU and NATO, about the attempt to overthrow the government in Belarus, about a weak Europe and how the ex-head of the CIA was going to do business with Africa
Are these revelations explosive? Did we not know this from analysts and observers all the time? Sure, but it is still interesting to hear it from someone like Pompeo.
 
Explosive revelations, maybe?

Texas Attorney Tony Buzbee Says List of 'Diddy' Case Perpetrators Includes Banks & Pharma Companies:
'The Names Will Shock You'
"The names that we're going to name...are names that will shock you...These defendants will not only include individuals but will also include corporate entities who ultimately profited off of this culture...I'm looking at banks, pharmaceutical companies, and hotels."

 
What you described is just the physical side of the equation, and in itself it does look pretty grim. However, much more important than that is the metaphysical side - the problems and challenges are there so that we can learn and grow from them and raise our frequency resonance vibration. And this increase is kept beyond this lifetime. As the C's said many times, the soul matters much more than the body.


Why not? Especially if growing your own food becomes pretty much the only way to avoid being poisoned through commercial food? The best way to do it is of course as a community of like-minded people. There are also less work-intensive ways of producing food, eg. "food forests" and perennial agriculture. An alternative is to get your food directly from farmers you trust.
Yeah I get that, theoretically. But when you're in pain or suffering, learning and growth just becomes words, and not much else. Tell someone living in a place where there's civil war or famine, that's it's all about learning and growth and raising your frequency. It doesn't mean much of anything.

Intellectually, I understand the right answer to our society's plight - but that doesn't make it any more digestible.

As for your second paragraph, like I said in my post, I don't really fancy being Tarzan or in this case, Jane Porter. And I really can't be bothered to go through all the trouble of searching for alternative food source and all of that. The way I look at it, the world is done for and so are we, so I can't see why I should stress myself about survival at all cost. I'll avoid what I can hopefully avoid like vaccines, but I can't get be bothered to give myself headache about every single thing that is meant to get me killed and how to avoid them. But obviously that's a me thing.
 
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