Session 21 September 2024

[Charade]

Thank you for the new session. The discussion was great.
It wondered about acetylcholine and why smokers are less likeable by 4d sts... If acetylcholine is created also when we learn new stuff, then it must be some "creative compound", if 4d sts feeds on suffering and also STS is not creative but entrophic, then it don't like anything what is creative as acetylcholine produced by smoking/learning/creativity :) ? Just wondering, not sure if it is in any way "true".

I had a bit of a revelation this week regarding creativity. I’ve been relearning how to use my knitting machine. I had the wonderful experience to be a production knitter in the 90’s. It had been 24 years since I have worked on it. In the past two years I have been learning to hand knit. Now I want to use both of these methods and ideas are springing up all the time. The joy from thoughts centering around this learning and physically creating are so uplifting. I realized I am happy from such thoughts and efforts! I can feel a physiological change welling up that I notice and hold onto. I think it is producing acetylcholine.




Rain said:
I didn't quite understand, how does mental blocking produce acetylcholine? What would be psychological means to protect ourselves (if we are not using nicotine)?
I asked GPT about acetylcholine production, here's what it returned :

2. Cognitive Processes

Acetylcholine plays a central role in attention, learning, memory, and focus. During tasks that require heightened concentration or mental effort, neurons in the brain's basal forebrain region release more acetylcholine to help enhance these cognitive processes.
Examples: Studying, solving puzzles, or learning new skills.

So mental effort and concentration like Mental blocking produces more acetylcholine.


Also I am turning to nicotine gum after reading this session to strengthen my immune system and mental blocking.

Many thanks to all for sharing such gifts of knowledge.

 

[Aliana]

Thank you so much for this session - the discussion at the beginning was a great way for us to understand how to think about the questions we propose.

Regarding Joe Dipenza:

(L) So anyhow, I think that we should be extremely cautious about this. And you've got red flags and dugdeep says that he got some red flags from these meditations. And you said, Gaby, that you…?

(Gaby) Some of the seeds are really… contractile, in a sense.

I recently came across a Youtube channel for Scott Carney with a segment on Joe Dispenza. A few notes from the video with approx timestamps:

[5:58] Dispenza was interviewed about his workshops, and claims there are ‘beings present’ that he can see - rather large ones that congregate while he is conducting the workshops. Of course he is convinced they are benevolent.

[6:55] One of his former workshop attendees, says she had a psychotic break after attending a workshop - and thinks his methods are dangerous.

[9:07] Film clip of his ad for Ancient Aliens show..

[12:00]. Dodgy meditation studies used by Dispenza. to back up his outrageous claims

[16:]. Dispenza’s foundation / school funds ‘scientific’ studies, then misrepresents the results to pack his conference centers.

Scott Carney also investigated Dispenza’s quantum healing school and the people who are listed as Directors or Advisors. Several of them have questionable backgrounds, and / or lack any real qualifications.

Here’s the relevant video:

 

[Piotrek]

Fantastic discussion and session. Many thanks!

 

[globalgrrl]

I should elaborate and add that I have a 13 month old that doesn’t give me much time to myself except at the end of the day for about an hour before I’m too tired to be awake anymore, then I’m up multiple times through the night, sometimes for hours.
I’m beyond exhausted, I just have to keep on going though, I don’t have any options but to keep on going and I just want to hide under a rock some days and pretend I don’t exist.

I don’t fear dying, it actually sounds good to me. I could say I fear others dying and not knowing what’s coming and how that looks for the people I love.

Sounds like you have a good bit of post-partum depression going on, as well as exhaustion. I went thru it bad with my oldest. Just wanted to die! I was too zombiefied to want to do much of anything due to lack of sleep. I kept telling myself that it won't last forever, and that helped a bit. But you have to take care of yourself...make that baby take a nap and then you nap too! Melatonin can be your friend, especially when you give it to the little one to help them sleep the whole night through.

 

[lilies]

In the past 30 years more or less I have only been to the dentist a couple of times for a fractured tooth. My wife on the other hand, kind of lives there.

Same here. After a totally unnecessary and heavily intrusive orthodontics (pulling perfectly healthy teeth) as a teenager which ruined my teeth stability for these 40+ later years, I never been to a dentist since 30 years.

For receded gums, sensitive teeth: I use Himalayan salt water + sodium bicarbonate for restoring pH. After that a teaspoon of E327 = Calcium lactate, rougher but even ground Cala Zoon is better than home-made fine powder from Ebay. Swish for 15-20 minutes. Sometimes still use sesame seed oil pulling. But recent experiments with Calcium lactate really helped.

For nights: Lysine + L-Proline + C-Vit + Potassium Citrate cocktail with a teaspoon magnesium malate to handle The Flame© as Judy Mikovits called it. So no inflammation. For "toothpaste": concentrated Xylitol+salt+water in a small bottle.

Reading these dentist horror stories here, I bless my instinct and poverty to have not had the misfortune to visit any dentist butcher.

I would want the Russian science of growing new teeth via shark stem cells or a similar new teeth-growing new ways. All other dental procedures I consider a laughable barbaric butcher-shop torture on this ridiculously low-tech planet: All For War and minimal health science development.

 

[Bodizaffa]

I have a question or questions about the nicotine.
I use pouches. And as of late they are getting harder and harder to get. Obviously smoking and vaping and chewing are out due to the harmful effects of tobbaco and chemicals used. Am I correct in that.
And Two what does everyone think about my wife using nicotine pouches as she was a long time smoker (hasn't in 14 yrs) but hugely addicted to nic. Is it better to be on then off pouches.

For clarity pouches in Canada and USA are 3 to 6 mg each. Where as places in Europe are up in the 20mg range as I've found in iceland. So if this is a good idea
How much nicotine in mg per day or period is optimal

Thanks.

 

[lilies]

Finished reading the session: Dispenza CV-read failure from my part acknowledged. Members here posting more data suggests the Lizzies might be pulling a Billie Meier number on him. Anti-Christ prophecy also stated, how it will come offering powerful healing, but deception and possession behind the curtains.
My "healing via etheric blueprint hypothesis" is a strike-out from the bucket list. Back to faith-healings like Slavic elderly lady eating sand and healing her cancer, probably via higher centers and faith: positive physiological symptoms.

 

[zak]

(L) Yeah, I'm not sure, but I remember what's his name, Michael Topper. And I'm pretty sure, I think I referenced it in my article on stalking - Michael Topper, stalking - that a 5D STS being was incredibly contractile, gravitation… I mean, you would think of it as the laziest thing on the planet because it's so contractile, it doesn't even move. It doesn't even stir… I mean, almost like a black hole, and maybe it's close to a black hole. Maybe that's what black holes are: they are these contractile 5D STS beings floating around in the universe. Maybe the universe is 5D for all we know.

Recently elsewhere in the Forum Arwenn and nicklebleu had already posted this link, and I'm putting it back here because in the general context of this session, it's really worth reading it again.
Stalking or Precis on The Good and The Evil

A: Great discussion! True networking! 4D STO is active in all of you tonight! Viconneaeil here of Cassiopaea.

About NetWorking:
Whereas self-serving beings naturally form hierarchies with the strongest and most ruthless at the top, service to others beings would form networks. In the words of the Cassiopaeans, the concept of networking is a foretaste of fourth density service to others.
To bring the idea into context, we can start with George Gurdjieff’s definition of a group: In a group, what is gained by one is gained by all and what is lost by one is lost by all. A group in this sense can only exist within the context of esoteric work. Such a group is free from disagreement not because of a command structure but because the same truths are seen by all.We can distinguish two types of group effects:

1.The group descends to the level of the lowest common denominator, as happens in lynch mobs and other cases of mass hysteria.

2.The group rises to the sum total of the understandings and capacities of all members. This happens to a small degree in teams displaying good synergy. However, the imperfect quality of human communication and friction coming from personality dampens these effects and usually limits their scope to a well-practiced area such as playing a team sport or playing in an orchestra.

The hope of esoteric work is to make these effects greater and more comprehensive. Achieving this is sometimes called the communion of saints. This goes beyond a social phenomenon and involves sharing the ’substance of knowledge’ or ’higherhydrogens’ generated in group work.
In general we can say that a group amplifies whatever is a consistently shared and applied principle in the group’s work. This contains a catch: We often find, specially on the Internet, New Age groups that are in a sense ’open’ but where the exchange degenerates if not into a shouting match then into a more subtle feeding or pleading or manipulating contest.
It seems that internal work for purifying the signal and making the self first clear is a prerequisite for a group to amplify anything but subjectivity.
For mixed, predominantly self-serving entities such as present day humans, indiscriminate sharing of everything simply makes noise. A great deal of attention is required for the participants to overcome first themselves and then act in a manner approximating service to others oriented beings,rather than according to their default impulses.
Again, determining what constitutes service to others in each case is its own question but a certain skill or sense for this can form via practice –seeLaw of Three.
In practice, a network does not imply the interchangeability of all members. This is not achievable nor is it the goal.
Having reached a similar level of development does not imply identity of personality or group think but does imply striving for seeing the same understandings. A group can involve specialization and contain teachers and students, but is by definition a voluntary structure
and does not exist for the benefit of any single member or subgroup. Instead, such a group may exist for performing a specific esoteric task, as may be required by the time and context.
The concept of giving back is emphasized by the Fourth Way. Since the principle of service to others represents balance through the idea of serving self through serving others, this principle requires reciprocity in order to work. Balance cannot be legislated but it may occur naturally if the participants share the same direction, i.e. are collinear.
For fourth density harvestability, a network offers distinct advantages over working alone. The members can complete each other even though their own vibrational purity were not perfect.
For graduating to fourth density service to self, the aspirants must generally work alone since the very idea of service to self sees sharing as generally undesirable.
CassWiki.

(L) All right. I'm tired. Do we have anything that's absolutely urgent?

With these quotes posed, I can say that before, during and after the session, Laura showed us by example the symbiosis of Work and Networking in good and due form.
Thank you Laura for all your love, session after session.
Nothing is free in this world of STS, but really thank you to you and to those who took part in this experience for giving a glimpse of what a world of STO can be.

 

[iamthatis]

I have a question or questions about the nicotine.
I use pouches. And as of late they are getting harder and harder to get. Obviously smoking and vaping and chewing are out due to the harmful effects of tobbaco and chemicals used. Am I correct in that.

Well, just about everything in our world is upside down and ass backwards. Smoking organic or additive-free tobacco is definitely not bad for you! It's vital for optimum health and wellbeing. Vaping can be a good substitute - the C's said it was a bit healthier - as can pouches, gum, or patches. I turned to vaping recently and quite like it. None of the options available are unhealthy so long as you're using additive-free tobacco without all the tobacco industry chemicals that were put into this wonderful healing plant medicine in order to corrupt it and cause harm. You can search SOTT for articles on the benefits of tobacco, and there is also a big thread on the topic:

Smoking is... good?

ADMIN NOTE: This is a consolidated thread. All minor threads on smoking, tobacco, nicotine, etc, are merged here. I smoke, and have no plans to give it up. But, I am glad I didn't start smoking this young!

cassiopaea.org

And Two what does everyone think about my wife using nicotine pouches as she was a long time smoker (hasn't in 14 yrs) but hugely addicted to nic. Is it better to be on then off pouches.

I think anyone who is considering taking a nicotine product should do so.

For clarity pouches in Canada and USA are 3 to 6 mg each. Where as places in Europe are up in the 20mg range as I've found in iceland. So if this is a good idea
How much nicotine in mg per day or period is optimal

Thanks.

I think you'd have to just pay attention and learn to notice when you've had enough. It's similar to learning to when you notice you've eaten enough - and then not going past that point. It will most likely differ from person to person and ebb and flow with time.

 

[JEEP]

A big thank you to all concerned for the "networking" and the session. Interesting that we simply can't piece together our true past as it's been messed with way too much and just like it's continuing to be messed with up to the present.

Q: (Joe) There was another paper with a claim that this kind of nanotech was in dental anesthetic. I suppose in some cases it was found in dental anesthetic. Is that true?

A: Yes.

A group I'm working with has a retired dentist who said the anesthetics have mRNA in them now. He and his wife refused to get needed crowns because of this. They were wise to the vax, too, but like me, our kids got 'em anyway.

However, Matt believes the buildings collapsed as a result of a controlled demolition - a theory that has been previously dismissed during official investigations.

Posted this yesterday in the 911 thread - dated 9/28/24:

Engineer Jonathan Cole drops his latest video: ‘The Last 30 Seconds’​

In what is arguably his magnum opus, Cole brings together all of the observations made during his nearly two decades of studying and teaching about the 9/11 demolitions.

Today, Jon released his latest video, entitled “The Last 30 Seconds.” At 37 minutes in length, it is not only his longest piece but also his best and most complete in terms of definitively making the case that the World Trade Center towers were destroyed by controlled demolition and that attempts to prove otherwise have been nothing short of a farce.

What makes Jon’s videos so effective and highly watchable is how he cuts through the BS of the so-called “experts” and presents the science in a way that everyone can understand — while assuring them that they don’t need to be an expert in order to understand it.

Before posting the above, I watched a couple of 911 vids - one from the thread showing 50 views of the jet that hit the second tower and one of the Waving Woman. That such evil was committed and gotten away with (at least up to now) is mind blowing particularly despite all the groups that formed for 911 Truth. We had no idea how deep and wide the control system was and is.

Obviously smoking and vaping and chewing are out due to the harmful effects of tobbaco and chemicals used. Am I correct in that.
And Two what does everyone think about my wife using nicotine pouches as she was a long time smoker (hasn't in 14 yrs) but hugely addicted to nic.

How much nicotine in mg per day or period is optimal

A Sott post referenced this interview with Dr. Bryan Ardis. Start at 1:17:00 for answers to your questions:

And this Mike Adams vid provides an informative discussion [48:36] regarding nicotine and how it works in the body - also featuring Dr. Ardis:

Pharmacist Ben Fuchs and Dr. Bryan Ardis reveal explosive truths about NICOTINE, reptile venom peptides in pharmaceuticals and more

I figure I ought to be used to all the lying and the unbelievable scale of it at this point in time, but haven't quite reached that point yet.

 

[Εἰρήνη]

Apologies if I have misinterpreted your connections. Do you mean it is simiilar to the Quorum, where you have STO and STS persona/architypes and the fluidity between them represents the 'mix' between the both, thus forming the ouroboros?

I need to refresh my knowledge on the Quorum idea.
But STO and STS represent the 2 elements of the ouroboros.

More examples of dual pairs include physical man - spiritual man, being - non-being, + -, life - death, modern man - ancestors, children - fathers, olympic gods - titans, day - night, concious - subconcious, man - woman, Cain - Abel, Peter - Paul, aliens - native, lawless pirates and thieves - the law, prince Ali - genie, sun-moon, phoenix young - phoenix old, boaz and Jachin etc

I think all historical events, and words and phenomenons can be looked at through the prism of this algorythm.

The ouroboros can be related to active and passive principles of nature. Active are seekers and pointers and piercers. Heros seeking knowledge. Because they think they dont have it. The passive ones is the knowledge itself, the bountiful prime matter, the ark of the covenant, the Noa's ark, the ancestors, the spirits, everything that the hero considers to be not the part of the "I".

Good is what is known understood and applied. Medusa beautiful - Medusa the monster. Monster is the knowledge not learnt - ancients forgotten prophecies /fairy tales/myths/books spoken in languages that are not understood. When this information is taken in a literal sense, it leads to death, suffering, fear.This is why it is two-faced. Once understood the beautiful face shows and no more suffering and risk.

The seekers of knowledge/heros/prodigal/ "I" are the ones born from knowledge/the spirit/the ancestors/world but lost it and trying to return. The knowledge is everything that surrounds the "I" and what the "I" preceives not as a part of itself.

Legends say that before gods lived alongside with people, not behind the veil. That means people had the knowledge and had and access to all-bounty. There were no walls and no wars. But when they lost the knowledge the "gods" went to another world behind the veil, that world vecame unaccessible like Shambala, Atlantis, Troy, Heaven etc.

This idea to me is similar to to the theory of Superposition. It is the principle that quantum systems can exist in multiple states at once (like the all knowing golden age), while the collapse of the wave function is the phenomenon where a quantum system reduces to a single, definite state upon measurement (scarcity, pain, suffering, the fall).

So a knowledge seeker is a knowledge finder. This is where I think the two parts of the ouroboros become one. It is the same person, but located at a different point of the Möbius strip path. He is not many different people as might appear to us if viewing from the timeless state similtaneously in different points of the hero jorney. But the hero has been copied infinitely on every point of her journey, and at every point a new name was given and a new separate story was made.

The key in understanding these characters is not to judge them. Or they will multiply even more. We just need to understand whether this character (a specific point in the space-time) is the seeker or this is what is being seeked, which is essentially the same at the highest level of abstraction. And whether the Queen Sheba came to Solomon or Solomon came to Sheba depends on how we are looking at the situation: do we come to knowledge or knowledge come to us?

For example, St. PatRick can be viewed as a character relating to the sPiRit-ancestor part. He is similar to apostle Peter, PeteR the FiRst of Russia, Santa BaRBaRa, BaRBaRians (aliens not obeying the established logical laws of settlers), ABeL/Jacob who was peirced/fertilized by the seeker/angel into the mouth for the word to be born. So, in this relationship life is born. Profecying heads are not understood by the seeker because they are speaking the bird/green/magus/art gout/angel/foreign language from behind the veil to the seekers and many other characters. The characters often dont walk on the ground, sit,walk on water/fly, dont have proper legs; they often have heads with weird features such as one eye, or white /blue magnifying eyes, white skin, invisible, headless etc.
Among the seekers we can think of the following characters: Perseus, Heracles, angels, Alexander the Great, Samson, Achilles etc.

So the seeker is abandoning knowledge and eventually returning to it. And every point on this journey is a space-time copy of himself.
If you were to insert a pin into a map to trace every step of the journey you will have many of those pins inserted into the map. Every pin is usually presented as a separate character with a separate story in a separate location. Time is the multiplier. This is why in English we say "times" when we multiply. This is is how things get copied.
Apart from each other these elements cannot exist and cannot create life.

 

[Εἰρήνη]

Apologies if I have misinterpreted your connections. Do you mean it is simiilar to the Quorum, where you have STO and STS persona/architypes and the fluidity between them represents the 'mix' between the both, thus forming the ouroboros?

Here is the video from the Sonic movie.
Is there one Sonic playing the game or many Sonics?

 

[Εἰρήνη]

Apologies if I have misinterpreted your connections. Do you mean it is simiilar to the Quorum, where you have STO and STS persona/architypes and the fluidity between them represents the 'mix' between the both, thus forming the ouroboros?

I am still thinking of the best way to explain this multi-level concept :⁠-⁠)

I mean the Spirit of the law comes primary to the letter of the law. Similarly, the spirit of the word comes before the literal meaning of the word.
The idea is primary. Secondary, materialization takes place in a fractal manner. Meaning, the idea gets materialized on every level of existence (including "fictional" or "non-fictional).

So, does it matter if St. Patrick was a real person? Or is it important to understand the meaning behind the multitudes of the similar characters, whether they are fictional or non-fictional?

It definitely matters at the beginning of the seeker's journey. We need to dig for hundreds of thousands of seemingly descrete phenomenons/characters/words in order to figure out the pattern they all follow.

But once the pattern is found we don't want to waist time on neverending digging and running after infinite characters and neverending numbers.
This is why I said that I understand why Laura in this session did not want to dig into those specific topics.

 

[Fluffy]

I sympathise with your dilemma. My wife and I experienced lots of problems with our fourth child but that was only later when he first went to school. It was not until we got a diagnosis that he was a severe dyslexic that things fell into place and we got help with his condition but it did put a lot of strain on our marriage.

Everyone's circumstances are different of course. My wife was a great attender of organised play groups (do you have 'Tumble Tots' in Oz?) and this allowed our toddlers to let off steam and also gave a chance for my wife to compare notes with other mothers. Could your older children step up to the plate perhaps and help entertain your daughter more? The benefit of having a larger family is that the younger ones have more interaction with their older siblings who can play with the younger child thereby freeing the parents to get on with other family business. Are your parents or fellow siblings on hand to give any assistance? If they are still fit and able bodied, grandparents bring a wealth of experience to the party. My mother loved spending time with her grandchildren and her only complaint was that she did not see enough of them (which was largely down to my wife who detested my mother).

I always view Australia as a more outdoors culture, which has a warmer, sunnier climate than the drab old UK. I don't know if you have your own swimming pool, for example, but swimming might be a good exercise outlet for both you and your daughter, especially if you can involve your older children too. My children loved pool time (except the youngest) and swimming in the sea. Maybe you already do this though. Sorry if my suggestions seem somewhat simplistic. Luckily, our over active child was our firstborn but her energy and drive later helped us with the younger children since she soon asserted herself as the boss. Our nickname for her was the "governator" , as she took no nonsense from her younger siblings.

I appreciate that things are no doubt very tough for you at the moment and this may feel like a phase that is never ending but my own experience is that somehow or other you do battle through these difficult times and children grow up so quickly that you soon wonder where the years went.​

Hey MJF, what a difference it makes when someone can really understand another’s predicament, your responses have helped me feel lighter and less alone.

My eldest kids are 24 and 21, 21 year old is at home but off doing his own thing, 11 year old is a great help in the way that she senses me and will step in when I’m feeling overloaded, I don’t ask her for much, she just knows the right time to give me a break. She wants kids of her own, sadly for her having a baby sister might be her only opportunity to be a mother figure.
My mum is here too though tied up with other family obligations and feeling overwhelmed by how much she is needed, she tells me this then says but I do nothing for you and offers some assistance, obviously I’m reluctant to take it because she’s always griping about how thin she’s spread between her elderly mother and my two siblings family needs. I’ve never been one to ask for much help.

One thing that does really help is giving up the need to control or fit into some paradigm of how I am supposed to be parenting, babe should be doing this that or the other and it’s my job to make her do it, it doesn’t always work like that, like controlled crying, or sleep training or forcing her to quit breastfeeding (she loves it and I get quiet time like now to write replies and do some reading) what use is it if doesn’t work and the stress of trying just makes things worse?

It comes down to how to get through it with all your hair and some sanity still in tact, and that really my only goal..

Thanks again for your comforting replies <3

 

[Fluffy]

Sounds like you have a good bit of post-partum depression going on, as well as exhaustion. I went thru it bad with my oldest. Just wanted to die! I was too zombiefied to want to do much of anything due to lack of sleep. I kept telling myself that it won't last forever, and that helped a bit. But you have to take care of yourself...make that baby take a nap and then you nap too! Melatonin can be your friend, especially when you give it to the little one to help them sleep the whole night through.

May be a bit of depression, quite severe with babies #1 and #3 but baby #2 slept all night from 8 weeks old and was just an easy little fella to be around so life was very manageable.

Melatonin is not my friend, even small doses keep me half awake all night then makes the next day feel like I’m drunk til 4pm when it finally wears off. I’m really reluctant to give it to my littlest one for the reason that it has the same effect on my 11 year old, bad sleep and groggy all the next day.

There is so much comfort in ‘nothing lasts forever’ and though I don’t want to wish any time away I do look forward to some long health restoring sleep one day.

That saying ‘sleep like a baby’ … it’s really stupid.