Session 22 February 2010

[Laura]

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A telltale sign is that chaos always surrounds them....sometimes it's not easy to trace it to them.
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I know I don't KNOW anything for sure but just the feel of this especially when Laura desribed her shock and laying down that night with her heart hurting like there was an elephant on her chest. The chaos......the catering. When I was trying to put words to many experiences in the early years, I thought it was like everyone around them could be puking or biting their nails or walking on eggshells and they simply wouldn't notice. they'd only notice if you forgot the cream for their coffee. It's crazy making. HFA is in a class of it's own.
Now when I observe or listen to issues pertaining to autism, I listen for things that aren't pushed to the forefront. For example I was listening to Jenny Garth and speaking about vaccinations as the sole trigger of autism but in there somewhere she droped a couple of lines about her husband's response to the discovery of their son being autistic. Just a few words about his lack of emotional response and other behaviours that raised a red flag. I'm always trying to understand more, like what the difference would be between a very highly intelligent autistic person and a psychopath? Are all psychopaths autistic? One I know is a neurological conditions but I wonder if the pathological psychopath's brain would show up as autistic?

Hmmm... you've posed some interesting questions here.

Are some forms of Autism and asperger's actually just a different name for psychopathy?

I don't know.

I observe that a lot of stuff gets categorized wrongly because key elements are ignored. There are people with OCD/neurotic tendencies who are that way because of an excess of feeling/empathy who get tossed in the basket with those who are OCD/psycopathic with NO empathy or possibility of conscience.

So, there are people saying "I'm high functioning autistic" or "Aspie" when they are really just a bit OCD/neurotic due to narcissistic wounding.

My impression of Sue was that she was "over-the-top" narcissistic. I was allowing that she might be that way due to narcissistic wounding, but actually, the way she described her early life and relationship with her father, it strikes me that she was always narcissistic and he nurtured it. We notice that he died young and that could be due to him having been fed on by both his narcissistic wife and daughter. (Unconscious on both sides, of course.)

And finally, I have thought for a long time that NPD is just the "garden variety" of psychopathy - high functioning psychopaths.

I didn't notice a shred of empathy in Sue, and her main means of controlling others and extracting their "juice" was evoking pity and I'll never forget Martha Stout writing that this is the main card played by psychopaths.

 

[andi]

[quote author=Laura]
Some may not get implants because they are too strong and this strength is used against them emotionally. I keep telling people that there's a "program" for everyone and if you think you are exempt, think again!
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Like being too strong can transform into stubbornness or something similar?... I mean to be strong willed without being vigilant or informed can lead to some trouble.
In Bob's example, being strong willed, could it mean that he will stick to the idea that Sue is the right choice? And if he wasn't strong, he would of oscillated and think again?
Could it be said that, someone who is strong willed, their weak point are emotions?

Maybe being too strong isn't necessarily a positive thing; if there is not some kind of balance...

 

[allen]

Related to your brain zaps, do you have Tinnitus as well, prior or during or after brain zaps? Cos' in my case it's all together, although tinnitus is ongoing thing and brain zaps pretty rare, if for instance I jump from the bed (during unexpected boat drills or real emergencies) and no medical reasons for such condition.

Yup, got tinnitus, though not so bad that I can't ignore it...until someone mentions it! LOL!

To be clear, I don't get brain zaps, though. That is a very different sensation, from what I've read, and pretty well covered in medical literature. Since no one seems to have come up with a name for this sensation, I hereby officially name this Brain Phhhtz.

 

[Aeneas]

Thank you for this MOST interesting session and sorry to hear about all the fallout during the 'event', even if the C's called it minor.

What amazes me is that I had a dream on the 14th of February which was a dream about FOTCM and being there for a teaching event. In the dream the impression was that much teaching was happening of different kinds. At one stage some ancient jars were studied with had some interesting decorations on them. They were found in water AND were connected with crabs :O In the dream the C's had not wanted to say anything about them. There was a good feeling of trust, purpose and also relaxedness. I wrote too that I was amazed at how well it worked and how much was passed on.

Perhaps the dream was enterily connected to me, but it floored me when I just a few minutes ago read in my dream journal the bit about the crabs, as I had forgotten that bit. And it does appear to be a big teaching event. So once again thank you for posting it. Much to think about. To network and especially share is for me the hardest thing.

The quote from ISOTM about BEING and KNOWLEDGE was much appreciated

 

[Brewer]

After reading most of The Wave series it's crossed my mind that the purpose of my 'Sue' was to get me over to the USA, the 'STS capitol' of the Earth. If that was the intention I don't know why they'd go to so much trouble over me, they could have found an Australian version of Sue to do the job.

Brewer, remember that it is no "trouble" for STS forces to manipulate and control each and every individual on this planet. What tyou said reminded me of this session:

[quote author=Session 941119]Q: (T) But I'm just a nobody. Why would they go to all trouble to
send somebody in a Camaro to drive up on my lawn...
A: Several answers follow: Number One, Nobody is a "nobody."
Number two, it is no trouble at all for aforementioned forces to give
seemingly individualized attention to anybody. Number three, T***
has been targeted and so has J*** and others because you are on
the right track. Number four, This area is currently a "hot bed" of
activity and extremely rapidly expanding awareness.

Fwiw...
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Thanks for that Jonny and everyone else!

I've seen that transcript before. They take the path of least resistance, I thought they went to a lot of trouble as the whole thing was well executed, I suppose it was the path of least resistance, there is a program for everyone to be sure! Interesting thing...

While I was still with her my wife was reading Eve Lorgen's 'The Love Bite'. She was rather critical of it but as she lay in bed next to me reading about the engineered relationships she would often exclaim 'Oh my god! This is what I was used for!'

She was aware that something was not right, how much she was aware was anyone's guess, when asked it was back to the same old program. Maybe her exclamations were part of the program

Change of subject, I'd like to contribute to the repair of the camera, what's the best way of doing that? I don't have a credit card but if there is an 'Aussie agent' who can help I can transfer the donation to them and they can get it to where it's needed.

Thanks all

Brewer

 

[allen]

Are some forms of Autism and asperger's actually just a different name for psychopathy?

From my experience with quite a few people who were categorized as either high functioning autistic or Aspergers, some of them seem very empathic and caring while others seem very cold and manipulative. It kinda seemed like autism was a catch-all for a large range of social interaction disorders, some of which might be related to psychopathy and others not.

I talked with a few people in the autism community who actually thought of autism as the precursor to a new species of human.

 

[Ca.]

One of the many attributes that stand out about Sues behavior, was the constant drama. This is and always is a situation that I have found , and now more than ever stay vigilante in watching for and in a persons personalty as well as myself. And to its manifestation as it can happen spontaneously if one's guard is down. Which could lead to manipulation of people, events, and activities around me. This might be the process of the continued event for conquest, for the capture and ultimately destruction of me and anyone that pose a threat to the dark sides plans. I looked the word drama up in the web for definition's and add the thesaurus for other words that pertain to the word drama.


Main Entry: drama
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: theatrical piece; acting
Synonyms: Broadway, boards, climax, comedy, dramatic art, dramatization, dramaturgy, farce, footlights, histrionic art, melodrama, play, production, scene, show, show business, showmanship, stage show, stagecraft, tear-jerker, theater, theatricals, thespian art, tragedy, vehicle*

Main Entry: drama
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: turmoil in real life
Synonyms: climax, comedy, crisis, dramatics, emotion, excitement, farce, histrionics, melodrama, scene, spectacle, tension, theatrics, tragedy

Different words for the word drama


Main Entry: excitement
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: enthusiasm; incitement
Synonyms: action, activity, ado, adventure, agitation, animation, bother, buzz*, commotion, confusion, discomposure, disturbance, dither, drama, elation, emotion, excitation, feeling, ferment, fever, flurry, frenzy, furor, fuss, heat*, hubbub, hullabaloo*, hurry, hysteria, impulse, instigation, intoxication, kicks, melodrama, motivation, motive, movement, passion, perturbation, provocation, rage, stimulation, stimulus, stir, thrill, titillation, to-do, trepidation, tumult, turmoil, urge, warmth, wildness
Antonyms: apathy, boredom, calm, calmness, dullness, lull, peace


Main Entry: hoopla
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: excitement
Synonyms: action, activity, brouhaha, bustle, buzz*, commotion, drama, elation, emotion, excitation, feeling, fever, fireworks*, flurry, frenzy, furor, fuss, heat*, hubbub, hullabaloo*, hysteria, passion, racket, rage, ruckus, rumpus, stir, thrill


Main Entry: performance
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: acting, depiction
Synonyms: act, appearance, ballet, behavior, burlesque, business, ceremony, concert, custom, dance, display, drama, exhibition, gig, interpretation, matinee, offering, opera, pageant, play, portrayal, presentation, production, recital, rehearsal, representation, review, revue, rigmarole, rite, set, show, special, spectacle, stage show, stunt, to-do


Main Entry: play
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: theater piece
Synonyms: comedy, curtain-raiser, drama, entertainment, farce, flop, hit*, mask*, musical, one-act, opera, performance, potboiler, show, smash hit, smash*, stage show, theatrical, tragedy, turkey

 

[James Henry]

Thank you Laura and Team for this post.

I am truly grateful you chose to publish the material. It has given me a lot to think about. One of my programs I identified was the white knight, add some denial and more & more a realization of having a possible vectoring relationship.

I hope all of you are feeling healthier. Your fortitude and constitution are inspirational.


Hope this cheers you up! Symbolic Quantum Joke of the Day.

And the award goes to...

Shayne Knuckles O'Connor

Quote from: Laura
The knuckle is black under the skin, swollen and very painful.

He certainly seems to fit the description.

Actually, that was probably the cause of the emotional state of Sue that, along with any "beaming activity" put her into the state she was in when she read the email I wrote that she was sure was a direct attack on her. What is really sad is the fact that her denial of reality is so strong that she will sacrifice anything and anybody to keep it intact, even her infant.

It seems to me that once the predator realized it was discovered (and jumped ahead it time to see the results of this thread and repercussions) it needed an emergency evacuation and extraction. OSIT

And they have both dived into DeNile because it is a lot more than just the dull look in his face, the crab-crawling, etc.

Selfish denial! I do not have children, but if someone whom I had respect for suggested there seems to be a problem with one of my children, I would at least explore it further for the sake of the child. Not just cut contact.

Interacting on the internet is good up to a point, and VERY good for some things, but there's just nothing like an extended, face to face meeting.

I agree. I have read quite a bit over the course of my life, but many of my biggest (life changing)breakthroughs have come from retreats or realizations shortly afterward. I have definitely felt how group dynamics and intent can be transformational. One tuning fork affecting another through resonating frequencies.

Perhaps wishful-thinking, but I would love to have the opportunity and be able to have such a meeting someday and be of benefit to the group directly. (I post more in person.)

He has sacrificed maybe his very soul. I didn't mean sacrifice in a noble way but I can't think of a bigger sacrifice in terms of what he has given up. I was thinking of what being part of this forum means to me and how awful it must be to be so involved in everything that you are all doing but then to walk away. Maybe sacrifice was the wrong word, maybe it's not the ultimate sacrifice but the ultimate loss that I was trying to grasp.

A wise woman once said to me,

"It's hard to take when you see the danger, are giving your all, and people just get up, bleeding and in a daze, and pedal off on their bicycles... "

Reference: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12844.0

 

[Laura]

A wise woman once said to me,

"It's hard to take when you see the danger, are giving your all, and people just get up, bleeding and in a daze, and pedal off on their bicycles... "

Reference: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12844.0

Yeah, James Henry, that pretty much nails it. It IS hard.

 

[Gonzo]

I just want to express my gratitude for all that the chateau hosts experience, in the end to bring greater awareness to us. I wonder if your abode should be renamed Castle Perseverance.
As well, I feel profound sorrow for Bob, Sue and the little guy and I pray they will be able to see the objective truths that have been uncovered through the pain of those who obviously care tremendously for their well being.

This session really drives home for me the point to never get comfortable thinking one can do the work with just their partner - hence the need for a greater network of co-linear types. It is so easy to fall into the illusion that one's partner is sufficient to provide an objective mirror.

It also makes me realize that concepts like "soul mates" are most likely created to engender that sense of comfort and hinder networking for mutual advancement.

Laura, I hope you heal from the break, bruising and any soft tissue damage. If things with your digit don't heal quickly enough, you might want to try to "buddy-tape" it to the neighboring finger, if possible (good idea to pack some gauze or cotton between the taped digits - especially near the web, to prevent fungal growth and add to comfort) - aw, heck, you probably already knew all that. I just feel badly for you and helpless, wishing to help in some way.

Take care and thank you for this session and all you went through to bring it our way.

Gonzo

 

[slowone]

My Eldest son is Dyslexic although not severely. He never crawled. I remember when he was being tested for Dyslexia that it is one of the questions they asked about development. Did they crawl. Its that cross brain co-ordination I think that actual crawling requires.

Hi slowone, I doubt that cross brain coordination has any thing to do with crawling and dyslexia. Dyslexia is a genetic phenomenon of neural diversity and the progression directly to walking probably had an evolutionary advantage when scorpions, snakes, spiders, etc. were a constant concern. The dyslexic is often creative, empathic, coordinated, intelligent, with a good memory and graphic skills. Autism is a social disorder and dyslexia is a learning disability in this literate and linear age. I consider the educational system to have an educational disability, as this system is designed to eliminate neural diversity, especially empathy and social skills. Dyslexics excel in social relationships and are often found in leadership roles. Their exceptional memories likely made them the bards in past ages. They are very good at "reading people". They probably made very poor soldiers and industrial workers, hence the effort to marginalize their capacities.

Hi rolyateel, I think your graphic and cooperative talents are apparent. I have a son who heads a team of graphics programmers. He is dyslexic, also. I have heard him say that a "normal" brain cannot compete with a dyslexic brain in the fields of design and graphics engineering. I wish you well in a world which seems determined to reduce human neural and behavioral diversity for convenient social management. LOL

Autism is the opposite of dyslexia in many ways, most notably in the area of social skills. Autistic individuals often lack empathy. Dyslexics score high on empathy scales.
I have noted an unfortunate confluence of autism and dyslexia in the public mind. Child development is an area with much disinformation and agenda. Crawling is one of the areas where there is confusion. I hope this short post helps clarify some of the differences between autism and dyslexia, as neural diversity is an integral part of the human gene pool and neural evolution on this planet.

Dear Go2,

Thank you for your post. I am very interested especially your comments about crawling. Here in the UK as I said I think that whether your child crawled or not is a fairly standard education psychologist question. It was explained to me by an educational psychologist that quite often dyslexic children don't crawl. As they also explained hand/eye coordination is often underdeveloped in dyslexic children (my son gets very tired hands trying to write). And an improvement in the functioning of both left and right hemispheres of the brain stimulated by exercise would be beneficial. They also spoke of crawling which requires a coordinated effort physically, mentally and visually and that if missed out could indicate a developmental delay or indication of perhaps dyslexia (in our case) or dyspraxia or any other number of developmental issues that were outside of the "normal" range.

I think I agree with your comments about Dyslexia being an indication simply of a different way of being/thinking and that the "normal" range educationally is too uninclusive. I worked for many years in Secondary Teacher Training in a University and helped in a local school with literacy. Added to which I have three children in education, Four if you include my stepdaughter. All differently able, all privately educated because we couldn't find state schools that didn't "factorize" education. Certainly in the UK if you don't "fit" the very tightly defined "rules" of how you should "perform" in school then they definitely are quick to label you developmentally "different" rather than expand the definition of "normal".

I am very interested in your comment that" Dyslexia is a genetic phenomenon of neural diversity and the progression directly to walking probably had an evolutionary advantage when scorpions, snakes, spiders, etc. were a constant concern.

I would be really interested in your sources for the genetic phenomenon aspect of Dyslexia, my brother and I are both dyslexic also.

I am unfamiliar with the thinking that going straight to walking was an evolutionary advantage but I find it interesting. Would you be kind enough to site your references. I would like to read more about that. I like others(quoted below) thought that to crawl was the advantage not the other way round.

Yes, crawling is very important. I've been reading some more on the topic and some experts say that if a child goes from the crab thing to pulling up and walking holding onto things, then regular walking, it is very bad because they skip proper crawling and doing it properly is key to a lot of brain development systems.

Quote from: Hildegarda
Crawling is the single most important predictor for developmental issues. A child can be a late or early walker, or a late or early talker -- it doesn't matter, as long as he/she sits up by the age of 6 months there isn't much else to go by other then that. There was a recent study by one professor who looked at video tapes of autistic children and saw a lot of uncoordinated crawling just like the one described above. You really want to see right-left hand-leg coordination in crawling by this age especially. But -- this is common knowledge among educational psychologists, early ed teachers and special ed teachers; there are whole therapy methods built around promoting these skills in young kids (e.g., Brain Gym), it's even TOLD to parents by pediatricians now! The fact that Sue is a special ed teacher and didn't take notice of that is mind-boggling, that's serious denial.

Crawling is also necessary to develop the visual system. It is crawling, the baby putting his nose up close to objects, that develops the visual pathways for proper focusing. Parents are told to encourage their children to first crawl, not walk. This developmental step is vital. It would be interesting to see the refractive errors of autistic children. On top of everything else, their eyes are likely not working or developing normally eiher!

Because I am Dyslexic as is my brother and my Son I am well aware of the differences between Dyslexia and Autism and to be fair I haven't encountered in my own life anyone who seemed to confuse Autism and Dyslexia, maybe I have simply been lucky.

 

[herondancer]

Like being too strong can transform into stubbornness or something similar?... I mean to be strong willed without being vigilant or informed can lead to some trouble.
In Bob's example, being strong willed, could it mean that he will stick to the idea that Sue is the right choice? And if he wasn't strong, he would of oscillated and think again?
Could it be said that, someone who is strong willed, their weak point are emotions?

Maybe being too strong isn't necessarily a positive thing; if there is not some kind of balance...

Hi andi,

It looks like you hit on part of it here. Bob probably has a a strong white knight program, and Sue's facade of "doing everything for everyone", is a perfect fit for it. How could he not want to succor such a noble being and make her life easier? The perfect hook. When this lofty pursuit is questioned, then the stubborness kicks in.

Our own best traits can be made our betrayers. It's really sick.

Herondancer

 

[mamadrama]

Hi slowone, I doubt that cross brain coordination has any thing to do with crawling and dyslexia. Dyslexia is a genetic phenomenon of neural diversity and the progression directly to walking probably had an evolutionary advantage when scorpions, snakes, spiders, etc. were a constant concern.

I am very interested in your comment that" Dyslexia is a genetic phenomenon of neural diversity and the progression directly to walking probably had an evolutionary advantage when scorpions, snakes, spiders, etc. were a constant concern.

I'm interested in this assertion as well, go2 as it is my understanding that the genetic connection is but one suggested hypothesis. The last study I read cited a 17-20% genetic correlation in dylexic subjects suggesting there may be a genetic component.

Oct. 28, 2005 -- Researchers have found a gene that may be linked to dyslexia, a reading disability that affects millions of children and adults.

The gene is called "DCDC2." Scientists have found a gap in that gene in about 17% to 20% of people with dyslexia who were studied...


For instance, it's not certain if everyone with the DCDC2 gene gap will develop dyslexia.

"What is the predictive value of the test? We don't know," he says.

Some of the dyslexia patients who were studied didn't have the DCDC2 gene gap. But "a large number" did, says Gruen.

He notes that he and his colleagues also found 13 other variations on the DCDC2 gene. Those variations may also affect reading, but that's not yet certain, says Gruen.

_http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20051028/gene-may-be-linked-to-dyslexia?page=2

I think there's plenty of research to support the importance of crawling and brain development and that it is strikingly absent in babies who are later diagnosed as dyslexic is worth noting.

Crawling and Development
However, Barnes believes that more than just body strength is at stake. "Crawling is also super-important for development and a lot of children miss this important skill".

Research by George Pavlidis and Timothy Miles has shown that developmental co-ordination disorders (ranging in severity from impaired motor skills to dyspraxia and dyslexia) may be related to a lack of the core stability that crawling gives a baby [Dyslexia Research and its Application to Education, 1987]. Of course, not all non-crawling babies will become dyslexic. According to statistics published by the Bristol Dyslexia Centre, however, around seventy per cent of dyslexics never crawled.

_http://early-childhood-development.suite101.com/article.cfm/tummy_time_for_babies_who_dont_crawl

 

[Chu]

Hi andi,

It looks like you hit on part of it here. Bob probably has a a strong white knight program, and Sue's facade of "doing everything for everyone", is a perfect fit for it. How could he not want to succor such a noble being and make her life easier?

Not to mention that she had made it very clear to him that she had a strong fear of abandonment. Perfect setup indeed... :(

 

[Laura]

Hi andi,

It looks like you hit on part of it here. Bob probably has a a strong white knight program, and Sue's facade of "doing everything for everyone", is a perfect fit for it. How could he not want to succor such a noble being and make her life easier?

Not to mention that she had made it very clear to him that she had a strong fear of abandonment. Perfect setup indeed... :(

Actually, the more I think about it the more convinced I am that she planned the whole thing, even setting him up well in advance with her abandonment issues. She came here determined to find something to have a fit over and that email was the only thing she could find... and that was on the last day they were here.

Bob needs to read "Women Who Love Psychopaths" and reverse the sexes. He's been had.