Carlise said:
Though when you understand the gravity of our situation, being young is not an excuse to hide behind anymore.
I don't see Muxel hiding behind his age, in the context of his response to Mac:
Muxel said:
Mac said:
I'm 66 so my body does not have the strength and resiliency it once had. So, perhaps, I won't make it through the dark period. But, who knows, maybe after some counseling and rest in 5D I could be one of the first babies born in the new era!
Well I don't think being young and 21 is good defense against comets, myself. Take heart, Mac.
I see that your 20, maybe a bit of projecting on your part, but I could be wrong.
Carlise said:
Muxel, I think your reaction to this video can give you something meaningful to reflect upon. Do you see the absurdity in saying that there is no point in enjoying something beautiful because it won't last forever? Nothing lasts forever, and there is no free lunch, so it is important for us to enjoy the good aspects of life when we can. Otherwise we become just as heartless as this world wants us to become.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as the saying goes, I don't understand why people got all teary eyed, my response to the video was, "okay" It did not move me at all, but that may be due to many things.
parallel said:
Music appreciation is of course subjective, but it looks like you are mixing feelings and mental judgements when you say you feel a mental reason of dislike. I have a roll eye - 'not another superficial feel good distraction' program running when I initially spot a flash mob video, nevertheless I can't stop the emotions and tears welling up, thankfully. I think it's about recognizing that rare unity with people being amazed, enjoying and positviely emotive together in concert with symphonious music that brings memory of how humanity can be like. It's not sentimental- it's a glimpse of potential, which of course easily can be put down by ones disbelief. It's ok to positively dissociate, it's needed.
I understand that, but when I watched it, I was like okay so after this, what are they going to do? back to the same old same old, of the same order to quote Gurdjieff :
In Search Of The Miraculous said:
[G]:Have you ever thought about the fact that all peoples themselves are machines?"
[Ouspensky]: "Yes," I said, "from the strictly scientific point of view all people are machines governed by external influences. But the question is, can the scientific point of view be wholly accepted?"
"Scientific or not scientific is all the same to me," said G. "I want you to understand what I am saying. Look, all those people you see," he pointed along the street, "are simply machines—nothing more."
"I think I understand what you mean," I said. "And I have often thought how little there is in the world that can stand against this form of mechanization and choose its own path."
"This is just where you make your greatest mistake," said G. "You think there is something that chooses its own path, something that can stand against mechanization; you think that not everything is equally mechanical."
"Why, of course not!" I said. "Art, poetry, thought, are phenomena of quite a different order."
"Of exactly the same order," said G. "These activities are just as mechanical as everything else. Men are machines and nothing but mechanical actions can be expected of machines."
When one factors the context of this place and the truth of that statement, glimpses of what could be are essential so as to give our struggle some meaning, but I don't trust images and my response to them anymore, I only trust actions. Joy, love, trust, etc, they are phantoms to me. Serenity is what I seek, I don't care for joy, I only care to know, learn and understand. I still listen to music though, but just as background noise when I am using the computer which is close to the living room and the t.v. It is merely a tactic so that this mind can function better in the midst of all this.
I know that I am just as mechanical and the state I have found as most useful to constantly struggle against this, is not joy, but serenity, so I cultivate that above any other state of mind. With serenity, I can be and observe without expecting anything from anyone or anything, but with such states as joyous rapture the little I have encountered of it that is, my judgement is numbed, I am at peace and do not seek anything, it is not useful for me in my aim and so I do not cultivate it.
