Session 23 September 2023

[Nienna]

Thank you @Pat and @Evan that makes quite a bit of sense. Something to think about.

 

[Joe]

Anyone have any ideas about which plane this might have been? Assuming the video is legit?

http:// web.archive.org/web/20140827052109/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY

http:// web.archive.org/web/20140827060121/https://youtube.com/watch?v=ShapuD290K0

Q: (L) All right. MH370.

(Approaching Infinity) Who created the two videos allegedly of MH370 showing a plane being encircled by flying metallic orbs and hijacked?

(Joe) And disappeared off the video screen.

(L) Have you seen this video? And what did you think about it?

(Joe) Who knows. It's a kind of grainy, almost like radar, if you know what I mean. It was taken from some kind of not-a-home-camera type thing, so it's kind of black and white, more or less. Plane flying across the sky at a distance, small screen with a plane flying across. Some round orbs appear circling around it, like two or three, and then after 10 or 20 seconds of that happening, it just goes. A flash happens, and then the plane is gone.

(L) Didn't we ask about MH370 before?

(Joe) Not about this video. It's whether or not it's a video of it actually disappearing into where they say it disappeared to, which is into another dimension.

(L) The C's said it disappeared into another dimension.

(Joe) Yes.

(L) And so here's a video that shows that happened, and Approaching Infinity wants to know if that video was authentic.

(Andromeda) Where was it taken from?

(Joe) It just appeared. No one knows. No one knows anything about it.

(L) Was it taken from the ground or from the air?

(Joe) It's hard to tell because there's no foreground. It could be in the air.

(Niall) It was uploaded in 2014 in May by an unknown source.

(Joe) Like a month after.

(L) How come I never saw this?

(Joe) It's on the forum.

(L) Well, why don't people tell me about this stuff? I can't read every thread.

(Joe) I know, but there's so much stuff going around. It's hard to know what's important...

(L) Well I guess the important question there is, are any elements of the video footage genuine?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) So does it actually show MH370 disappearing?

A: No

Q: (L) Does it show another plane disappearing the way MH370 was supposed to have?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Was it a commercial airliner? No...

A: Research.

Q: (Joe) Does that mean it's a research plane?

A: No

Q: (L) That means you need to do the research.

(Niall) Was part of the research that the plane was meant to disappear? Was it a Philadelphia type experiment thing in the air?

A: No

Q: (Niall) So how do they know to film the plane and that it would disappear?

A: Cameras are everywhere these days.

Q: (Joe) Can they tell us how many years ago this event happened?

A: The plane in the video disappeared over Lake Michigan.

Q: (Joe) Okay. We can research.

 

[loreta]

There are a lot of planes that crashed on the Lake Michigan. Do you have an idea when? In the 70s or, more recently, 21st Century?

 

[KaWaiAwaAwa]

Anyone have any ideas about which plane this might have been? Assuming the video is legit?

http:// web.archive.org/web/20140827052109/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY

http:// web.archive.org/web/20140827060121/https://youtube.com/watch?v=ShapuD290K0

Cannot view the videos. The wayback machine seems blocked.

 

[jcsmalz]

Cannot view the videos. The wayback machine seems blocked.

Got it working over here. Need to remove the space between // and web

 

[KaWaiAwaAwa]

Got it working over here. Need to remove the space between // and web

Thanks, I downloaded it.

 

[KaWaiAwaAwa]

The two aircraft that AI in all its majesty come up with are a Douglas DC-4 and an F-89C Scorpion. That plane is neither. It does look like NWA flight 2501 -

https://www.wzzm13.com/article/news/local/michigan-life/unsolved-mystery-search-for-missing-airliner-nwa-flight-2501-resumes-in-lake-michigan/69-557449286

That is long ago and the comments that cameras are everywhere now doesn't seem to work, unless . . . .

 

[Benjamin]

I don't know if this is relevant or even accurate but in the titles, the first one says "Satellite Video" and the other says "UAV". In the description, it says the UAV footage looks to be an alternative version of the satellite footage. So, why does a satellite and a UAV need to, my guess, track the same airplane? Both picked the same plane at random for training purposes?

 

[nicklebleu]

From the still I took it seems to be a twinjet aircraft:



The list of twinjets is:

Airbus A220
Airbus A320
Airbus A330
Airbus A350
Boeing 737
Boeing 777
Boeing 787 Dreamliner
Suchoi Superjet 100

To me it looks like this aircraft hasn’t got any winglets, although it is hard to say for sure. If that is true, that would narrow the aircraft down to Airbus 320, Boeing 737 and Suchoi Superjet 100 (although some more recent types do have winglets, while others don’t).

I don’t think you can tell more from these grainy low-res pictures.

Interesting vids, for sure!

 

[Joe]

There are a lot of planes that crashed on the Lake Michigan. Do you have an idea when? In the 70s or, more recently, 21st Century?

The video appeared on the net in 2014. That's pretty much all we know, and the Cs claim that it disappeared over Lake Michigan. So not MH370.

 

[taratai]

Anyone have any ideas about which plane this might have been? Assuming the video is legit?

http:// web.archive.org/web/20140827052109/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY

http:// web.archive.org/web/20140827060121/https://youtube.com/watch?v=ShapuD290K0

As i wrote in this post here, it looks like it might be Flight 93... except the aircraft is different than the one reported in Flight 93 (that one was Boeing 757-222, while the one on the video is either Boeing 737 or 777). So the aircraft does not fit, but everything else, including being taken to 4D, seems to fit.

Surely that wasn't the single case where aircrafts are "mysteriously disappeared" over Lake Michigan like that, but i wasn't able to find anything else on the internet. If it's not Flight 93, it might be something so obscure that we don't even remember/know about it.
Without having access to some government database with a list of lost aircraft, it might be impossible to find out exactly which one this is.

 

[Ca.]

Keits Tread on Jul 17, 2014, is loaded with vast spikes of possible connections with Malaysian Airlines and other anomalies by the contributors of this investigation.

The LN 553 Crash landing at San Francisco International Airport on July 6, 2013.

Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine

This is nuts and like a giant billboard falling if will be confirmed. :shock: I am listening to Russian 24 news, and right now they announced breaking news, that Malaysia Airlines plane crushed on it's way toward Russian territory. But it fell before crossing the border on the Ukrainian...

cassiopaea.org

The reporter right now says, that right before entering the Russian territory, the plane started to lose height and then crushed. They don't say anything about him being shut down or anything. But it is confirmed, that all 280 people are dead. Seriously, considering what C's said about the first Malaysia Airlines plane that disappeared, this is just crazy. Couldn't be more obvious than this.

Session 22 March 2014

Session Date: March 22nd 2014 Laura, Ark, Pierre, Perceval, Andromeda, PoB, Kniall, Chu, Data, Alana, Timotheos, Mr. Scott Q: (L) Oh, this should be the equinox, shouldn't it? March 21st, 22nd? (Andromeda) Wasn't it yesterday? (L) Yeah. So this is Saturday, March 22nd, 2014. It's been grey and...

cassiopaea.org

Q: (L) You mean they had plans to be more aggressive and “in-their-faces”, and they... (Perceval) Why would the disappearance of the plane make them scared or make them back down? Was it "comedown", was that what was said? Like a retreat. So, basically the PTB backed down on Crimea and Russia and that whole situation because the plane disappeared and they were worried about...? (Pierre) So, if you lie too much, if you create too much chaos, like unjustified war, you might increase such a bleedthrough?

A: They have "advisors" and "interpretors" of such things.

Q: (Pierre) So the advisors said if they go on with the attack, and with lying and manipulating... (L) I don't think they would say that. (Perceval) They wouldn't spell it out. (L) I don't think that they would talk to them in those terms. (Pierre) What would they say? (L) Probably say something like, I dunno... Maybe they have some advisors and interpreters who say, "We did that, and if you don't back down, we're gonna do more!" Ya know, like threatening rather than explaining to them how to be good boys.

A: More or less.

Q: (L) I mean, we would all like to think that there would be some high and mighty power in the world that would tell the psychopaths, "Oh, if you keep creating chaos, you're gonna screw things up! You're a bad boy!" But that's not likely to happen because it would just be, ya know... (Perceval) You get into the idea of different levels of power here. People are doing the whole overt Crimea thing. And they have advisors and maybe they suspect that there's a higher power like the ones that blew up the Columbia space shuttle for Bush and stuff. They ascribe this plane incident to "them", and interpret it in some way like, "Let's back off" kind of thing. Like the way they alluded to this idea that there is a higher power that has vast technology and can influence the American government and its policies for example by sending a warning... So maybe the ones who take note of these things looked at this plane and said, "Maybe this is some kind of message to us."

A: There is likely to be a bit of interdimensional blackmail going on. How likely do you think it is for the "reality creating" US PTB to back down from their natural state of being the world's biggest bully?

Q: (Pierre) Why did those higher entities want the PTB to back down concerning Crimea and Russia?

A: They understand what the consequences are.

That place is United Airlines Flight 93.
And for those that don't remember, it's the plane that hit the ground on 11th September 2001.

Marysburgh vortex - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[taratai]

Rereading through my notes and relevant sessions, it was Flight 77 that was taken to 4D. The C's say nothing about Flight 93 going to 4D, and i think they pretty much confirm that it "crashed".

Q: So it was just more of the intelligence agencies sowing disinformation in real time. Which would suggest that Flight 93 did crash in Pennsylvania?

A: Crash?

Q: Well, crashed after it was shot down. So, was it shot down?

A: Absolutely. You had it from the "horse's" mouth.

Q: If so, was it shot down because the passengers were getting ready to take control and that would have brought something to light that they didn't want to happen?

A: Yup.

Still, from my notes it seems that i concluded the plane on the videos was either a Boeing 777 or 767 (can be really hard to tell the difference between some variants without being able to see their windows or having a clear view from top). The planes that hit WTC were both 767, but i don't think they even planned to approach the Great Lakes. And nothing in the session about any of them going to 4D at any point.

If we could at least determine which model exactly is on the video (i'm split between 767-400ER and 777-200ER), then it would be easier to figure out who uses those planes.

...But perhaps there is a chance, because i just realized that i (somehow) found a website with plane incident database. Maybe someone can find something interesting?

Here's a list of incidents for 777-200ER.
Here's a list of incidents for 767-400ER (it says no fatalities for this model, so perhaps it's not a 767-400ER after all).

 

[Ricardo]

Rereading through my notes and relevant sessions, it was Flight 77 that was taken to 4D. The C's say nothing about Flight 93 going to 4D, and i think they pretty much confirm that it "crashed".


Still, from my notes it seems that i concluded the plane on the videos was either a Boeing 777 or 767 (can be really hard to tell the difference between some variants without being able to see their windows or having a clear view from top). The planes that hit WTC were both 767, but i don't think they even planned to approach the Great Lakes. And nothing in the session about any of them going to 4D at any point.

If we could at least determine which model exactly is on the video (i'm split between 767-400ER and 777-200ER), then it would be easier to figure out who uses those planes.

...But perhaps there is a chance, because i just realized that i (somehow) found a website with plane incident database. Maybe someone can find something interesting?

Here's a list of incidents for 777-200ER.
Here's a list of incidents for 767-400ER (it says no fatalities for this model, so perhaps it's not a 767-400ER after all).

Regards flight 93 , the one in September 11 yeah ? , this was already "established" in the red pill press book , 911 and the ultimate truth , as i recall. greets.

 

[Keit]

Anyone have any ideas about which plane this might have been? Assuming the video is legit?

The following doesn't exactly answer your question, just some thoughts. In the past I tried looking into it, but couldn't find anything that would be relatively recent.

And then I had an idea that maybe it wasn't a "true" disappearance, i.e plane disappearing and not returning. If I remember correctly, the flash and the portal in the video were proven to be fake, no? But then the C's explicitly said that the plane"disappeared", so I don't know.

Maybe what also should be considered is that it disappeared (on the camera) but then reappeared, and maybe even continued to its destination, who knows. Maybe the pilots and/or the passengers on the plane didn't even notice the events, or maybe it registered as something else.

Like this, for example:

A Skywest Canadair CRJ-200 on behalf of United, registration N937EV performing flight UA-5130 from Chicago O'Hare,IL to Rochester,MN (USA), was climbing out of Chicago's runway 10L when the crew stopped the climb at 7000 feet reporting a loud noise from the front of the aircraft, they didn't know what it is, and they requested to return to Chicago but did not declare emergency and advised it would be a normal landing and they would taxi to the gate. The aircraft landed safely back on Chicago's runway 10C about 35 minutes after departure and taxied to the apron.

Not saying that this case sounds suspicious, and it also happened in 2021, just speculating if it could be possible for the plane in question to not totally disappear, but maybe the ones on the plane would perceive it as something else, or wouldn't perceive anything at all. Just like with other abductions. Maybe some clarifying questions could be asked, or more research done!

Anyways, I did find couple of famous UFO sighting cases that happened near or over Lake Michigan, and it was already mentioned that it is a pretty notorious location for all kind of weird things. These cases don't involve disappearing planes, but maybe they could be useful as time/date markers, potential indicators of an increased paranormal activity in the area.

Chicago UFO case could help develop a 'warp drive,' physics group says

An 'Alcubierre warp drive,' craft would 'benefit' from a classic flying saucer-shape, the physicists said. And the 'warp bubble' created could help explain the 'lack of radar signal'

www.dailymail.co.uk

Remembering West Michigan's most famous UFO sighting, 30 years later

March 8, 1994: A night seared into the memory of hundreds across West Michigan.

wwmt.com

And I also found something else in Russian, though no matter how I tried, I could find anything about it in English, Maybe others will have a better luck, or it is a lie that has been reproduced in various articles in Russian.

In 2000, on May 22, air traffic controllers at O'Hare Airport reported that for the past five weeks they have been observing sighting of ghost planes on their radar in the skies of Lake Michigan. The ghost airplanes would appear literally out of nowhere and silently, disappear, without responding to hails.

Ghost airplanes became a complete horror for air traffic controllers. They had to order pilots to make unexpected turns to avoid crashing into planes that appeared on their radar, which entailed great risks.