Session 24 October 2009

[Approaching Infinity]

I agree that the logo still looks too busy, but it is growing on me. I even think it looks good scaled down. However, I'm trying to think of some simplifications that might work:

1) rotate 45 degrees (this eliminates seeing eyes), and/or get rid of shading in the yin-yangs (i.e. just have the black portions on white background). The full logo should be able to be drawn black on white and not lose any elements. Can someone make some plain black-on-white versions of the logo as is to see how it looks?

2) Maybe get rid of the yin-yangs entirely. If the colors are retained, the duality is implicit in the two halves and in the dark and light blues encircling each half.

However, like I said, it's growing on me, and the icon/thumbnail on my desktop is looking pretty cool as is!

That said, I think the infinity sign by itself is perhaps too simple. What about an infinity sign within a circle? Or an infinity sign with the two 'arms' coming out of each half? Christianity uses 2 lines (cross), Judaism uses 6 lines (star of david). This would make ours have 5 lines (one in the infinity loop plus four extensions).

Whenever I draw an infinity sign it ends up looking like evil Donald Duck eyes!

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Its interesting, because I just showed this to a friend I'm with right now who has no connection with the forum in order to get an 'outside' opinion, and the reaction they had was 'it looks like bug eyes, like a fly' and 'its too much -- it needs to be simpler' (the second in reaction to the colored version). So they had pretty much the same reaction as Shar. I also wonder about vertical orientation vs horizontal orientation, which broken.english mentioned -- it might be interesting to experiment with that.

I just drew a vertical infinity sign within a circle and I think it looks pretty good. It also represents the duality of Spirit above and Matter below, united in the center and enclosed in the totality.

I also did a simplified version of two separated circles, with the "tails" trailing. Makes it look like two entwined comets (twin brothers?). Perhaps I'll scan the page tomorrow if anyone thinks it worthwhile.

 

[IronFloyd]

Okay, Here is the color version of the complete logo:

And the B/W version of the complete logo:

Beautifuuuuul

 

[Windmill knight]

It bothers me that I don't like it either.

It reminds me of bug eyes {{shudder}}

I'd like it a little plainer.

I had the same impression. Personally, I prefer it closer to the original crop circle. I also like Approaching Infinity's suggestion for the simplified version as a vertical infinity within a circle. Funny, sometimes I draw that image in my mind, for no reason, although most of the times horizontally.

 

[Justin]

I think the design would "flow" better with the yin and yang symbols matching the orientation as in the crop circle in my opinion.

I agree -- it seems good to leave the original be (just like we don't want to alter POTS and so forth). Let's see what the creators of the logo have to say -- maybe there is a reason for the change that we aren't aware of.

I agree as well. The orientation of the yin-yang symbols was the first thing I noticed. In terms of the color version, it seems a bit too fancy in my opinion. Perhaps the light/shadow effect contributes to my impression that it is too fancy. I'm curious about the notch in at the center of the infinity symbol as well.

 

[Hildegarda]

I had the same impression. Personally, I prefer it closer to the original crop circle.

I would say me too. I love the original crop circle, but when it's turned on the side, it looks like owl eyes to me.

On the other hand, the infinity sign within the circle looks good, I think.

Or, perhaps something like this: the new horizontal logo minus the yin-yang signs minus one of the "wave" lines. Leaving the infinity signs, one "wave" half-circle on top right and another "wave" half-circle on the bottom left. Hope this makes some sense, I am sorry I can't draw at all.

 

[Gawan]

I agree that the logo still looks too busy, but it is growing on me. I even think it looks good scaled down. However, I'm trying to think of some simplifications that might work:

1) rotate 45 degrees (this eliminates seeing eyes), and/or get rid of shading in the yin-yangs (i.e. just have the black portions on white background). The full logo should be able to be drawn black on white and not lose any elements. Can someone make some plain black-on-white versions of the logo as is to see how it looks?

2) Maybe get rid of the yin-yangs entirely. If the colors are retained, the duality is implicit in the two halves and in the dark and light blues encircling each half.

However, like I said, it's growing on me, and the icon/thumbnail on my desktop is looking pretty cool as is!

That said, I think the infinity sign by itself is perhaps too simple. What about an infinity sign within a circle? Or an infinity sign with the two 'arms' coming out of each half? Christianity uses 2 lines (cross), Judaism uses 6 lines (star of david). This would make ours have 5 lines (one in the infinity loop plus four extensions).

Whenever I draw an infinity sign it ends up looking like evil Donald Duck eyes!

I have done right now smaller changes. But when it gets rotated the symbol gets pretty fast the impression of an eight.
And did you mean 45º or 90º?

Let's see what is happening, but what happened to me that the simple symbol had kind of an hypnotic influence on me.

 

[Laura]

Okay, same series of issues that came up when we were trying it different ways here. Different orientations, different colors, plain, etc etc.

First: vertical is simply the number 8 and that is what it looks like.

2: horizontal is the infinity symbol.

3: If you put the yin-yang symbol sideways then it REALLY looks like bug eyes in the infinity symbol.

4: If you take the yin-yang symbol out, you aren't staying as true to the original as possible.

5: We ever so slightly extended the figure 8 so that the infinity symbol would stand out clearly instead of just looking like two perfectly round owl eyes (which is how it looked rendered into a symbol with no crops).

6: The colors are my personal preference though I asked for the infinity symbol to be made a different color because it did not stand out as the "main thing" when it was not a contrasting color. We tried different combinations and, with the colored "horns" gold worked best.

7: Take one half of the symbol, count the two horns, then the line of the infinity symbol, then the circle around the yin-yang symbol, the space between that circile and the yin-yang symbol, and you have 7 elements. So, the outside horns represent 1st and 2nd density; the infinity symbol represents 3rd density, the crossroads, the circle around the yin yang symbol represent 4 D, the empty space around the yin yang symbol, enclosed by the circle represents 5 D, and the yin-yang represents the two faces of 7 D, the thought centers of the ALL which are present on both sides: the matter and anti-matter universe. And, of course, the WHOLE thing is the ALL in toto.

 

[Adaryn]

It bothers me that I can't say that I like the logo. I think one ying/yang symbol is sufficient and that the concept of unity somehow enclosing any 'distinctions' should be made more obvious.

Having said that, I understand that my likes and dislikes are by no means any standard of measure and that I can be content with however it comes out. My apologies if this doesn't sit well with any readers. Maybe I just need to correlate all the aspects of the logo with knowledge available in this Work. :)

It bothers me that I don't like it either.

It reminds me of bug eyes {{shudder}}

I'd like it a little plainer.

Same here. I'm not sure I like it, I mean at first sight (maybe the colours?). It's only my subjective impression, and maybe I'll grow to like it if we stay with that version. I'll read Laura's explanations more carefully.

 

[truth seeker]

I thought the colors were a little too much as well.

I was wondering whether colors correspond to densities and came across this: http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=198

Perhaps the colors can be chosen based on that information. Or even if the C's have a favorite color...

 

[Adaryn]

I thought the colors were a little too much as well.

I was wondering whether colors correspond to densities and came across this: http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=198

Perhaps the colors can be chosen based on that information. Or even if the C's have a favorite color...

What jumped out at me too is that the infinity symbol doesn't seem "fluid" to me, maybe because of the notch at the center (as noticed by Anart) and the golden highlighting in the inside of the symbol, which create like a break or a split.

 

[knowledge_of_self]

I like the logo in general. I'm not sure about the gold color of the infinity sign, but and this is kind of silly ... the blue part reminds me of waves like 'the wave' :P

Also I defenitly don't like it standing up vertical, cause it looks like a weird 8. I like it horizontal because it portrays the infinity sign which stands out really well imo.

I didn't see the 'bug eyes' at first, I had to look again and I kind of see it but it's hard for me to because when I look at it, I'm mostly distracted by the gold infinity and the 2 ying yangs.

Still,

QFG design team!

 

[Human]

For me, the proposed logo is OK like it's originally presented.
Although, my personal choice would be analemma, but this one is very similar to it and has even more meaning in itself.
Only modification that I would make is rotating one of yin-yang symbols for 180 degrees around (vertical) axis that lies in paper (display) plane, so to get two yin-yang symbols like mirroring each other. The rest looks pretty good, imo.

 

[knowledge_of_self]

7: Take one half of the symbol, count the two horns, then the line of the infinity symbol, then the circle around the yin-yang symbol, the space between that circile and the yin-yang symbol, and you have 7 elements. So, the outside horns represent 1st and 2nd density; the infinity symbol represents 3rd density, the crossroads, the circle around the yin yang symbol represent 4 D, the empty space around the yin yang symbol, enclosed by the circle represents 5 D, and the yin-yang represents the two faces of 7 D, the thought centers of the ALL which are present on both sides: the matter and anti-matter universe. And, of course, the WHOLE thing is the ALL in toto.

I have 2 questions:

1) Where is 6D represented?

2) Is there a reason for the hole within the 'yang' part (white part) of the ying & yang sign? Basically how come it's not fully white?

EDIT:
( hmm, just looking at it again... perhaps the hole in the yang is the representation of 6D?)

 

[Mountain Crown]

I'm appreciating the symbol more and more as I look at it.

About the two tai chi's:

It's about incorporating both the infinity symbol and the yin/yang symbol into one figure. Each symbol represents unity manifesting in perfect balance of dual forces, so having a tai chi on each side in a mirrored form is genius. Each perspective views the other as its opposite or complement.