Session 28 June 2025

Why do you perceive a conversation between a male and a female as a fight/batle and an arguing?

Not a conversation, this conversation in particular. I could be wrong but it energetically feels heated to me. It's just my feedback. Maybe others don't feel the same way. Anyway, Jones's suggestion for a topic to continue makes sense to me. Feel free to quote me in that topic if you'd like me to respond.
 
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I found this session very interesting because they touched on matriarchy. I would love to learn more. I am doing my dissertation using decolonial feminist theory, and it is hard for me to accept that the disadvantages and suffering that women have endured, let's say, since the "New World," are justified because they massacred men. I understand the karmic and genetic part, but the C's said it was partly it. There must be more to this background, and it's surely worth discussing. Why did I think that in matriarchies, there was more peace and justice in society and towards Mother Earth? Anti-feminism is going to the other extreme. My understanding is that we have been both male and female in our journey, so we need to solve this divide for our own good.
100% agree. It’s all about the extemes people take. Yeah, we should to solve it, but as far as I can see we just can’t. You can, I can, but much too many of us fail to see it that way. So we fail.
 
The good old days

We look back at generations past and say: 'Those were the good old days'. Well, I'm not going to argue with that.
I think we cheapened our humanity - we replaced ourselves with automation, and yet we embrace our human values at the same time. We are contradicted in that on one hand, we embrace having automation do our work, yet complain about how degenerate humanity has become. What did we expect?

In the good old days we had a sense of purpose, a belief we were needed, and that with hard work, we could be successful at what we do. We were plugged in to our humanity.
Today we are plugged in to industry and its dictates. Industry doesn't distinguish between human values and efficiency and so efficiency erodes human values as humans themselves embrace automation - the basis for their decline.
So a surplus of humanity grows, and with it a industrial approach to deal with it: a humanity overthrown.
Ideals, human values, nationalist/religious beliefs: all that we are - a mockery. And to whom/what are we to devote ourselves? Industrialists.
And devote themselves they do. Join a legion: Nation, Republican, Democrat, religion, sexual identity... anything to cling to to keep from being obsolete, because all we understand is obsolescence.
And in numbers we gather like puppets - we would die first before we are destroyed. We have lost our humanity.
So, if our progress leads to a human crisis, maybe it is good to think of the good old days.
 
Not a conversation, this conversation in particular. I could be wrong but it energetically feels heated to me. It's just my feedback. Maybe others don't feel the same way. Anyway, Jones's suggestion for a topic to continue makes sense to me. Feel free to quote me in that topic if you'd like me to respond.

Moderators could if they want move this conversation to some place like here:

But here's fine too for me. The real words from Paul had important roles for women in the Church while the added later words from others downplayed the role for women in the Church. The more strong vs more weak ideal for men and women depends on the situation. Laura is like a nicer Gurdjieff and Ark is like a nicer Einstein and they are both ideal for these roles. Personality as in normal personality along with aptitude also effects what role a man or woman are ideal for. It can effect the husband-wife dynamic too.
 
I noticed that you call the relationship between a man and a woman a market.

This leads to a series of wrong conclusions.
Perhaps this is why romance novels are suggested for you to read.
Love, affection, loyalty, life partner... are not sold or bought. Such transactions are made by sick people, not men and women.

Men and women enter into a partnership. The goal of a partnership is not to gain dominance over one another, but to support one another in life and, most importantly, to raise and protect offspring. You are a father, you know what I am referring to - children.

I will do my best to explain it. Free market is the market that is based on free energy/value/service exchange between the participants of that market, in this case humans and specifically in male female relations it's men and women, and is free of outside artificial interference, which in this case is government. It works according to The laws of nature and laws and natures of men and women who are it's participants. It is based on the basic principles that guide all the markets and the market itself (through the sum of its participants) decides what's the value of what and what's the equivalent exchange value for a specific other value. It's like stock market works (or at least it should in theory with no government interference). Basically in simple terms buyers and sellers both agree on a fair price of each stock or item and that is that. It's a free market. No outside interference that makes a buyer or a seller pay a tax to them or be forced to pay more in a exchange for something that is worth less. I hope you are following me, because that is exactly the situation we have going in the west right now, and men are paying the price, or having a shorter end of that rigged stick if you will.

I will summon the help of the guy behind the hoe_math channel to make some points.
(also because when I typed "how government gives unfair advantage to women" in google I got this 'propaganda' results)

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Can you see that barely anyone hears the plight of men in the west. Or asks what men want and need (in women), or what is expected from woman to woman up and be a good woman. It's always man up and that's ok, that's a reality of being a man. What's not okay is cunning and calculated government campaign to destroy men. So that has to go first, before men can men up unobstructed.

And also please note that it's about the situation in the west and women and men here on the forum aren't representative of the common type women and men, which represent majority of the population and which are still deep in the matrix. And it's not about all women, but sadly these types of brainwashed (by government sponsored ideologies) women are in very high supply in the west.
My first point is, we know that government lies and controls and manipulates and is basically one of the faces of the Beast system a.k.a. the antichrist, a.k.a. the anti life system. Do you believe that their interference in the free market between men and women (taking money from men and giving it to women, and brainwashing campaigns that make women believe they are oppressed and deserve more but no sound about what they should offer in exchange) is the exception and is good for life and men and women alike.


In a recent video of mine, "MONEY NOT LOVE," I once again make the case to women that their dating woes are the result of their policy choices.In the video, I explain that numerous government and corporate policies remove income from men and give it to women, and also tax men and spend it on women.Did you know that, over her lifetime, the average woman in the USA actually costs taxpayers $150,000 more than she pays into the tax pool?This is in addition to all of the opportunities that men have been denied because of "equality" (hiring based on demographic preferences instead of performance). So men aren't even earning the money in the first place, but still have to pay it so that women can be supported!This is what is meant by "women are married to the government." It's as if we are all born pre-divorced and men owe women support, but women don't have to give us anything back! Like, let's say, a family or something!This frees women up to pursue men who are "on my level (earning significantly more than me)," but those men are in short supply because we all have dramatically fewer opportunities to earn, and when we do earn, we still have to support the whole nation!Without these ridiculous "equality" (demographic redistribution) policies, men would be earning more, and women would naturally begin to feel respect for them again, which would become attraction, which would become families.So there you go! That's why we're dying off.Women: "Give me equal money without making me earn it!"Men: "OK, here you go"Women: "EW now you're poor and gross. Now I deserve EVEN HARDER. Where have all the good men gone?" - hoe_math
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I invite you to watch his video putting aside your emotion and just use the logical mind and question if your beliefs about this topic are truly based on reality or come from somewhere else 'foreign'. The data is clear and speaks for itself. The money which is energy in our reality is being actively taken away from men and being given to women and that is bypassing the 'free market of life'. And in the same time there is a campaign of brainwashing of women to make them feel oppressed by men and believe that their value is higher than it actually is (and weak men are contributing to that by giving attention and resources basically for free to such women), or that they deserve more from the market and should give less in return.


And paraphrasing his witty comment at the end of the video "free market of life (and exchange of value between men and women) is the way the universe works, which you are ignoring".

And if you say that government should be heavily biased towards women in divorce courts and should give women free lunch in the work marketplace, just look at the divorce statistics and the fact that more than 80% of divorces in the west are initiated by women (because government helps them cheat the free market of life to avoid negative consequences of divorce) and the fact that children from single mother homes do insanely worse than children from two parent households and the children from single father homes. Put 2 and 2 together and you get that it's many western women motivated by government brainwashing campaigns and the prospect of cheating the free market of life and it's consequences, who are destroying the families and children themselves.

Also watch this video (thank I linked in my first post here) which simplifies the point I'm trying to make, the main point at the end of the video : "and that's why feminine energy can't be in the charge of masculine, or the battery (of society) dies". And then hard times follow (created by the weakened/drained/de-empowered men).


Like Cs said the crux of the matter is hyperdimensional manipulation. And in this example (as in many others) it's done through governments interference and ideological brainwashing campaigns.

//The following part is just pure speculation//

And maybe Shiva the destroyer is after all the proper deity that symbolizes the destruction that I theorize could come from the malfunction between male and female relationships and energies in the society at large.

Shiva is frequently depicted as Nataraja, the Lord of the Dance, in Hinduism, performing the Tandava, a vigorous cosmic dance that symbolizes the eternal cycle of creation, preservation, and dissolution of the universe. This iconic imagery is rich in symbolism, with each element of the dance and its accompanying iconography holding profound philosophical meaning.
Different aspects of the Tandava are also described in various Hindu texts, such as the Rudra Tandava (violent nature) and the Ananda Tandava (joyful dance)

In couples dance it's the male who is leading and a woman who is following (the specific roles that each of them enjoy the most and are energetically/genetically designed to fit the best). Perhaps that's a symbolic of the dance between the male and female energies being in balance and complementing each other and the dance of destruction when they become imbalanced.
 
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Men and women enter into a partnership. The goal of a partnership is not to gain dominance over one another, but to support one another in life and, most importantly, to raise and protect offspring. You are a father, you know what I am referring to - children.

Just to clarify, I am not a father, only a biological father to children with a woman who had it as her goal to gain dominance over me and who has chosen her mother (as her only near family) over her partner at 'the time of truth' during crisis time of start of the lockdown. And the very next day after returning to safety (after in vitro was done) and to her mother she went full on strategic manipulation and control tactic over her partner who was from the start doing his best to be like this what Maya said and more (in some areas). So Maya that doesn't work with every woman.
When you'll be more protecting, leading, strong, responsible but kind and loving you'll get your power back.
Make extra effort to become best verision of yourself.

I should have ended it then and there but 'for children' and cause I was still under her influence and not seeing reality or a woman like that for what she is, I gave her more chances until she physically attacked me after telling her that her mother is ruling over her life.
She has chosen with her actions that our children wont have a biological father (and likely father at all), and that's how it should work. Actions should have consequences and responsibility should be placed where it belongs (in this case mothers actions, abuse and desire to dominate the father, and fathers ignorance about the nature of their mother).
A man shouldn't take kindly to a woman's attempt to manipulate and control him. It was a lesson I was learning the very long and hard way, because I wasn't taught self love and self respect so I had to suffer a lot by not seeing reality for what it is.
 
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Free market is the market that is based on free energy/value/service exchange between the participants o
So, the market. To fully understand this, you will have to calculate/quantify a few examples for me.

I deeply sympathize with the child, whose environment forced his mother to leave, and two adult men to commit suicide. He was left alone and unprotected in such an environment.
He survived. He became an adult. He found this forum and became a member.
This gives me hope and faith that he can heal the wounds he received while growing up.
I now invest my time and energy in communicating with him/you.

Quantify the bold words and calculate my earnings.

Why was I able to transform my personal experience? Because I cared to.

Why was my husband able to take part in my transformation? Because he cared to.
Quantify "I care" and calculate the earnings for Pinkfreud and her husband. Whose earnings are higher?

And also please note that it's about the situation in the west and women and men here on the forum aren't representative of the common type women and men, which represent majority of the population and which are still deep in the matrix. And it's not about all women, but sadly these types of brainwashed (by government sponsored ideologies) women are in very high supply in the west.
So what is your profit in the market, persistently posting entire tracts on this forum, which is aware of the disease of society and follows it in various topics?
And why do you take the definition from that sick society as the premise, how to live, and want to position yourself in it?
Why did it not accept your knowledge of what the Universe wants from us, and build your life on those foundations?
Why do you persistently try to fix/convince/overpower the world/others, and run away from facing yourself?
Why do you constantly slip into the role of victim, refusing to see your part/responsibility in interactions?
I invite you to watch his video putting aside your emotion and just use the logical mind
I cannot leave emotions aside. In my world, emotions are an integral part of it. A world composed only of mind/logic is an invalid/deficient world. Emotions and mind are tools that I use together to decode/"form" my reality.
In couples dance it's the male who is leading and a woman who is following
Lead. I accept that and I like it.
The point is, where it leads.
My dear men, if you lead a woman into a world where there are no emotions, where emotions have no market value, where dealing with your emotions is a waste of time, where only material achievements have value, you will get women who will only deal with material things.
In other words, you will get greedy bitches!
 
So, the market. To fully understand this, you will have to calculate/quantify a few examples for me.
Everything in life is a market and everyone is 'selling' and 'buying' themselves (job skills and services, relationship responsibilities and services...), it is a simple truth of life and it is the reason why capitalist system works best (it's based on the free market being the king, but ofc. it's hijacked by the governments).

So the term market of life is a metaphor to describe the natural flows of energy exchange( e.g. service, money, work, time) amongsts the participants of the market, that in ideal conditions are free of outside interference/rigging the market and it's rules (by adding artiticial rules) in order to forcefully take energy from some participants and give it to other (be it to government or to western women), that's why the term free. And because it is based on free will (the first law of the universe). And it's also respects the rules of energy exchange, which is another principle of the universe (e.g. in simple terms there is no free lunch, the balance of energy exchange, you give and you receive).

Hoe_math understands that concept and that's why I shared those two videos of his which are based on that idea in general and how it applies to the situation with men and women in the west.

I will give some examples to best of my understanding in respect to this topic.

Without the interference of the overeaching beast system government we have today (taking money from men to give to women and the 'oppressed', creating useless jobs that taxpayers pay so that more women can join the workforce and need men less, brainwashing campaigns that target women, and men too, divorce courts biased towards women, and sexual abuse courts often times too...) the market of life would on it's own manifest the reality that is free from the infection from the outside source (hyperdimensional interference via government), the reality that is based on the true natures and true wants and needs of the participants, the humans, men and women.

Men would naturally go out and work and be providers and protectors and have to be strong again and women would naturally lean on men for it and choose to not work (I realize that that option has currently been taken out by the parasitic monetary system and by women joining the workforce) and instead be a family wife taking care of the home and the children. Men would be men, women would be women. Men would fight/protect/sacrifice for such women. And women would fight/compete/love/respect for such men (on the male female natural market of life). I realize it's very simplified. And it's all messed up now in the west.

Some specific examples..

Antichrist system of foreign interference:
Woman is given power (by the government) to choose if she feels like it to divorce a man and attempt to get half or more of his resources and the children and the child support from a man and by force(from government law). It's not about who is 'bad' or who is 'good' in that marriage, it is who has more power over whom and can abuse that power if she feels oppressed (which she is urged to always do by the antichrist ideology). Then in this example she wins in court and steals the resource from the man, and takes the children (who may then grow up without a father and turn into a mess) and takes child support on top of all that. Then she goes to find another sucker to get more from. There are cases like this. Men lose, women lose (in the end they do), children lose, family loses, life itself loses.

Free market of life:
Woman has no outside control system unfair power given to her (to cheat consequences of life and choices/free will). If she decides to divorce a man she will face the consequences of life and of the free market of life (and people around her and her value would be lowered in the market because of the natural consequences of her choices). In the first place that will motivate a woman to choose wisely a man to marrry (which in turn makes her select a good dependable family man) and will motivate her to be a good woman to keep such a man (e.g. consider what that kind of man wants and what she can give to him to keep him) and especially if there is no antichrist brainwashing campaigns going on like feminism etc. Men win, women win, children win, family wins, life itself wins.

Similar is true with the example of artificial government created useless job positions thar tax payers pay and many of which are promoting the anti life antichrist system and anti men ideologies that make women believe they don't need men, that give women money (from an artificial anti life system job) so that they end up not needing a man and not respecting men (who in reality are the ones who most pay for such jobs). So the woman can have the illussion of being an 'independant' woman, but only in an artificial/experiment system of the modernity of the west. Make the system collapse and the illussion will collapse with it, as all illussions tend to do. And the reality of the market of life will kick in, and that reality is that women need men to survive. And yes we need each other to truly thrive in life.

If there are no such artificial jobs that are paid by taxpayer money via the government, then the market of life itself would decide which jobs and services are needed (by the sum of its participants) and those places and jobs and services would create themselves. It would result in much less women having a job at all, because (in the ideal, brainwashing free conditions) women would choose family (and men too) and be kind of a women that family men want. Of course there would be some women working or part time working (but they would work less for jobs and more for families) the kind of jobs that are naturally filled by women and naturally demanded by the free market itself.

In short my point is that this system is hijacking the natural free (will) energy exchange/flow and thus is an antilife system, compared to the natural (free of interference) 'free market of life' system that respects the laws of life, the laws of energy exchange based on supply and demand (true need/nature) of it's participants.
 
Kika has a very good question.

What is the market value of discussing the warped relationship between males and females in the modern west (and growing.)

As it pertains this session, a member asked the C’s about a bottleneck in Y chromosomes in our very distant past.

Once the C’s answered that a matriarchal society was responsible for the deaths of the majority of men therein, we are left to examine why this happened. Or we are left to leave it at that.

The video that Serendipity posted was, in my opinion, pertinent to that specific piece of the session. Perhaps it is the case that no one here needs to learn more about it, or give it attention in any way.

and yet we have so very much material available on the forum on such a wide variety of things.

How much material about psychopaths? How much about psychological programs and how to begin to diffuse them? How much about STS interference in all of its forms? How much about earth changes?

I agree that Serendipity’s messages are repetitious and often allude to hoe_math, which could indicate that he is immersed in a sort of internet chamber.

Personally I think hoe_math does pretty good work, trying to explain spiral dynamics and “levels of thinking” in people and how each person’s level will determine the outcome of the relationship. If that information can spread through his stuff, in simple terms for the average person, maybe it can do some good.

Back to the topic at hand though, what is the market value in chronicling natural disasters in the world, if we know that a cataclysm in our lifetimes is not only possible but more likely as time passes?

What is the market value in documenting the moves made by TPTB in geopolitics, or in national politics? We know our leaders do not have the interests of the people in mind, and we don’t seem to be able to unseat them.

When the C’s say something bad is on the way - and especially when the C’s point to something historical and say “kind of like what’s happening now,” what is the value of that?

Sometimes I have to remind myself that I can take all of the action in the world to improve myself and my situation, prepare myself for all manners of future disaster, and I still may not be able to outrun the comet or the democide or whatever other challenges may lie ahead.

So what then would be the point of learning any more about it?

It has been suggested that drawing more attention to a possible future, instigating expectation and anticipation, may cancel out the probability of its manifestation. Is that why we do it?

Or is it sometimes just that we know we can look at our fears here with more clarity, because no one in our “real lives” will look at them with us?

Either way, I appreciate this forum and everyone on it. Thanks for the session!
 
I deeply sympathize with the child, whose environment forced his mother to leave, and two adult men to commit suicide. He was left alone and unprotected in such an environment.
He survived. He became an adult. He found this forum and became a member.
This gives me hope and faith that he can heal the wounds he received while growing up.
I now invest my time and energy in communicating with him/you.
Thank you for your kindness and for your energy investment. For a moment I thought you are someone I know in person.

Quantify the bold words and calculate my earnings.
I don't understand. Do you want money? haha

So what is your profit in the market, persistently posting entire tracts on this forum, which is aware of the disease of society and follows it in various topics?
My profit in the financial market? It's just money, it's just energy. It's how it's used what matters. I try to share with the members what I see a good opportunity to make some money. I'm confident I will have more money than I can spend till the end of this year because of what I see and the connections I made. But again, it's how the money is used that matters.

And why do you take the definition from that sick society as the premise, how to live, and want to position yourself in it?
Why did it not accept your knowledge of what the Universe wants from us, and build your life on those foundations?
Why do you persistently try to fix/convince/overpower the world/others, and run away from facing yourself?
Why do you constantly slip into the role of victim, refusing to see your part/responsibility in interactions?
I could say I'm trying to find my own way to live in this reality and that I want to be aware and share with others what I'm aware of about the 'ugly' parts of this reality, because my experiences made me feel betrayed by it and by the people around me. But that wouldn't be the whole truth.

Yes I enjoy sharing and learning but you are right perhaps I 'enjoy' avoiding facing and improving myself in some important ways due to some hurts. I could even say I am a broken man who feels betrayed by life (in reality betrayed by my own weakness and by believing lies and false narratives about life). It's lack of self love. Maybe I even hate myself for what I did to myself. So now I spend my days in depression and physical discomfort and suffering. My neck and back is messed up and based on that and all my past experiences the only chance I see I got is to become wealthy. If I don't I'm as good as dead anyway, but if I do I will at least have the resources and power to heal my body and to be free from bonds of the system of slavery.
Then maybe I could actually live my life, that currently I feel betrayed and broken by.
I'm alone but it's for a reason and my own leeson, it's okay money will fix it if I find out how to use it wisely.

Thank you for asking it was a good talk 😁
I cannot leave emotions aside. In my world, emotions are an integral part of it. A world composed only of mind/logic is an invalid/deficient world. Emotions and mind are tools that I use together to decode/"form" my reality.
Yes emotions are majorly important, and likely more primal than mind. I understand.

Lead. I accept that and I like it.
The point is, where it leads.
My dear men, if you lead a woman into a world where there are no emotions, where emotions have no market value, where dealing with your emotions is a waste of time, where only material achievements have value, you will get women who will only deal with material things.
In other words, you will get greedy bitches!
Valid point. I understand. Women operate on emotions. That is why even next to a rich man, many women would opt for a 'fun' man who provides them with a range of intense/alive emotional experiences and not just bland resources or god forbid boring logic 🤣😉
 
So what then would be the point of learning any more about it?

It is only to be aware of it and to not be unconsciously aligned with it. And that is where it should stop.

Because focusing on the 'negative' view (a.k.a. the opposite of what you want to have in life) feeds/gives energy to that version of reality.
Like the saying/cosmic law? "where attention goes energy flows".

Instead (once aware) we should focus on the reality/life we want to have (instead what we don't want) and live/express it in our daily lives with the people around us.

Like Kika says:
And why do you take the definition from that sick society as the premise, how to live, and want to position yourself in it?
Why did it not accept your knowledge of what the Universe wants from us, and build your life on those foundations?
And I'm as of yet failing miserably at it.

So yes I fully agree we should give attention and energy to what we want to have in life, the good foundations of life and express them in our daily realities...and let the show play itself in those realities that we aren't aligned with.
 
What I am about to say could be so wrong, and perhaps offensive but I'll say it to see what others think. It's not intended to be rude, or put one gender above the other.

A thought I always had in my younger days, especially my single days, was that women, especially those with above average appearance (ps, I know this is a weird way to say it 😅) constantly received positive feedback and validation from the world so much so that some come to take this as the reality that everyone experiences.

I had this female friend once who told me something to kind of crystallise the thoughts above. She was of above average appearance, and she was in her middle years, so youth was fading in the rear view mirror. She was struggling a bit with mental health, especially with regard self esteem and the like.

What she told me was back in her 20s, she used to receive so much attention that it actually came to annoy her. But she said she noticed she wasn't receiving as much attention now and a part of her was craving it as the lack of attention is coinciding with an increase in self doubt , low self esteem etc. Needless to say, I was just listening so didn't say much back.

Anyways, something I noticed in employment, is that the corporate universe is evolving in such a way that nowadays it's perhaps better to be a woman, ideally of above average appearance and with some level of competency. The path for such a person seems, erhmm, less challenging compared to your average male of equal level of competency. I have seen guys get absolutely destroyed, no mercy, by senior managers for making "oversights" but exactly the same issue but done by a female, and it's like the senior manager can't be as brutal or as direct. The situation is so ridiculous that you can game the system for example, if I have an idea I'm trying to get past a senior manager, rather than me pitch it, I can get a lady to lead the pitch for the idea to get approved. You can literally get people to do things by sending a woman to tell them to do it, rather than a guy #corporateuniverse 😅

From my little narrow view of the world, women are outperforming guys in the business world, especially the generation now in their 20s and early 30s. They get more support, and a lot of companies have programmes to fast track women to senior positions. Just observations 🤷

It's not to say guys are victims or whatever, I just think the set of challenges we face are different and I do thinks guys, especially young ones, are being faced with an emergent and unique set of challenges that they need to adapt to and evolve to overcome. A lot of guys may be lashing out with anger and resentment, cries of victimhood, but I don't think this will result in anything positive.

The way I see it sometimes with young guys is that they are playing checkers, whilst the ladies are playing chess. 🫣
 
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