Bud said:To me it suggests an additional option of doing something with the body in order to use the energy in the motor center if necessary, while holding onto emotional energy for transmutation purposes. I just wanted to ensure my clarity on this as it is the most common Work I do, I think.
anart said:It would take enormous effort, but it is - at the very least - another option to consider, if
only in 'baby steps' at first. In the meantime, motor center release can be very effective and helpful in releasing tension and stress.
Laura's signature said:He who learns must suffer
And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget
Falls drop by drop upon the heart,
And in our own despair, against our will,
Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.
Agamemnon, Aeschylus
Ana said:The mere fact of directing part of the energy of a shock to the moving center prevents you from using the total energy to CONSCIOUSLY SUFFER it in it's whole, deeply observing the process.
That's precisely a common way of avoiding suffering, the great work of a warrior lies in his/her hability to not to waste even a pinch of this energy and this is impeccability.
Bud said:Ana said:The mere fact of directing part of the energy of a shock to the moving center prevents you from using the total energy to CONSCIOUSLY SUFFER it in it's whole, deeply observing the process.
That's precisely a common way of avoiding suffering, the great work of a warrior lies in his/her hability to not to waste even a pinch of this energy and this is impeccability.
Ok, Ana. I understand what you're saying. No more diversions for me in those kinds of situations. Thanks for your input. :)
Gertrudes said:I hope you don't mind me insisting on this subject, but I would also like to clarify your words Anart and Ana, to make sure that I got this right: I understand that in order to achieve results of an "higher" order when handling suffering, one could use all of his/her energy for the process of transmutation. Whilst the use of the motor centre trough physical activity of some sort can help at some stage, the aim is to learn not to rely on it since it can eventually dissipate the energy needed for transformation.
Having said that, and putting it into practice, one should Be in the moment of suffering, feel it, observe it. The "heat" created by our conscious presence within the moment of suffering would lead to some level of inner transformation which could, in itself, channel the energy into something of a creative nature.
The result would then differ from one whose energy would have been diverted before the process of transformation had begun, either by diverting energy to the motor centre, or to the intellectual centre (I suppose the later is also a possibility). These divertions are valid and will allow us to get through in life, but for a real transformation, one should learn how not to divert this energy, or in other words, learn how to really feel.
Would my understanding be correct?
gertrudes said:These divertions are valid and will allow us to get through in life, but for a real transformation, one should learn how not to divert this energy, or in other words, learn how to really feel.
Would my understanding be correct?
Perceval said:I think this sums up pretty well how it should work
When the negative emotions are evoked in the sleeping, dreaming emotional center, in response to reality, elements from the intellectual or moving centers are added to them according to our social, religious, and psychological programming. We then "fall into confluence." Men and women commonly fall into moral prostitution in its infinitely varied shading because their actions or thoughts corrupt the pure negative emotions, deny them, suppress them, or otherwise create fantasies about reality using that energy.
As in the case of positive emotional reactions, the energy of the negative emotions spreads over the whole of the motor center and penetrated the motor sectors of the intellectual center and a state of profound confluence is the result. That is to say, that the individual will shift into a dream or an action that is programmed into them. Driven by shock or passion, a man loses his inner peace and falls immediately into the program, and proceeds to express his negative emotions via the intellectual or moving centers, and the energy is thereby lost.
If, however, at the moment when the negative emotions arises in him, the subject remains calm and does not mechanically begin to run a program, something powerful and positive can occur. By persistent introspection, the individual can observe the rise of the negative emotions and can disconnect them from intellectual or moving center usurpation and, understanding the origin of the reaction, will shed light on the inner darkness. The individual is then in a position to perform an act of primary importance:the liberation of the energy of the negative emotion for positive use. To allow this energy to be kept in the emotional center itself, to concentrate there, while simultaneously acquiring the knowledge of the external reality that stimulated the emotional reaction, and preventing the energy from being dissipated by the moving center, is a "victory" over the negative emotion, a mastery of the self that immediately brings an inflow of joy to the lower emotional center. This occurs when the negative emotional energy, concentrated in this way, causes the lower emotional center to vibrate at the rapid rhythm that is normal to it, which then establishes instant contact with the higher emotional center which triggers the current of higher emotional energy into the lower. The inflow of higher joy in the current of energy from the higher emotional center can then act on the energy concentrated in the lower emotional center by induction, transmuting it into the higher energy of the soul, which is the essential process of fusing the magnetic center, or growing the 4th density body - the gradual transformation of the physical body to the immortal body. With practice, this contact can be prolonged with more rapid results.
And, of course, the more violent the negative emotion, the greater the quantity of the emotional center energy that is produce, the more difficult the process, and the greater the rewards.
As the neophyte proceeds up the staircase, he will find that he experiences fewer negative emotions. It is at this point that he will discover the obvious utility of those who are hostile to him in the extreme. As long as he is on the Staircase it is in insults, hate, jealousy, treachery and the contempt of other men that the seeker finds the elements which are necessary for him to awaken his emotional center and utilize the "shocks" and "blows" and "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" to power his ascent.
By dominating the mechanical reactions - the programs - that the reality "out there" may produce in him, by separating and rejecting the elements that are parasites on the fine energy of this system, the seeker is able to mobilize the fine energy produced by the negative emotions. This accelerates the growth and development of the magnetic center which then enables the transition to the higher density. It is for this reason that the seeker understands why he should "love his enemies and bless those who curse and persecute him."
The saying: "Knowledge Protects" is wholly applicable to the inner revolution that takes place within the seeker. For all of our lives we are slaves to the programs that are set in motion by our negative emotions. Our intellectual centers steal this energy and produce all kinds of rationalizations, suppressions, fantasies of power or illusions that we have "mastered" the emotion simply because we are able to suppress it, or tell ourselves egotistical things like: "I'm better than that because see! I can suppress my reactions. I can say nice things when I am really boiling mad. That is what makes me superior." With knowledge of the true nature of reality and the programs that run in us, we are enabled to completely halt any such usurpation, to allow the concentration of the emotions - whether negative or positive - which then set our entire being on a higher vibration.
The 4th Way has a complex notion involving conscious and automatic suffering, seen as being diametrically opposite in their effects.
Gurdjieff speaks of the holy 'being partkdolg duty' in Beelzebub's Tales. This is defined as consisting of conscious labors and intentional suffering and is an impulse necessary for man's development towards objective reason and being.
This is not to be confused with mechanical suffering, which is the emotional or physical reaction to anything ordinarily painful. This 'feeds the moon,' whereas intentional suffering and conscious labors produce internal friction which is necessary for crystallizing anything of lasting value. The difference between the two types of suffering can be quite subtle and often ambiguous.
Ouspensky quotes Gurdjieff in In Search of the Miraculous:
"… If there is anything in the world that people do not understand it is the idea of sacrifice. They think they have to sacrifice something that they have. For example, I once said that they must sacrifice 'faith,' 'tranquillity,' 'health.' They understand this literally. But then the point is that they have not got either faith, or tranquillity, or health. All these words must be taken in quotation marks. In actual fact they have to sacrifice only what they imagine they have and which in reality they do not have. They must sacrifice their fantasies. But this is difficult for them, very difficult. It is much easier to sacrifice real things.
"Another thing that people must sacrifice is their suffering. It is very difficult also to sacrifice one's suffering. A man will renounce any pleasures you like but he will not give up his suffering. Man is made in such a way that he is never so much attached to anything as he is to his suffering. And it is necessary to be free from suffering. No one who is not free from suffering, who has not sacrificed his suffering, can work. Later on a great deal must be said about suffering. Nothing can be attained without suffering but at the same time one must begin by sacrificing suffering. Now, decipher what this means."
Jones said:Gertrudes, if you are correct then you have worded it all in a way that has helped me understand what I've been reading. So thank you and I also look forward to clarification on this.
Bluebird said:(L) Okay, we've got some questions here that people have assembled. The first question is: "Do genetically modified foods affect human DNA?"
A: Yes! Very bad.
I remember reading somewhere that scientists found that genetically modified food altered the DNA of lab animals. Even more diabolical they ensure genetically modified food is not labelled so its very difficult to know what you are eating.
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