susy7
Jedi Master
You have to ask yourself why Furriaea?
it's obvious.
Session 29 July 2023
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it's obvious.
The antediluvian civilisation called the Ana evidently refers to the Atlantean civilisation that helped to bring upon itself its own destruction when their crystals turned against them, just as the C's said our computers will overwhelm us soon (AI anyone?). However, the C's told us that there were three races that occupied Atlantis, but it was specifically the Aryans (Celts) who were the ones to go underground 14,000 years ago, which from memory was about 1200 years before the final destruction of Atlantis in what in folk memory is the Deluge or the Flood of Noah. As to the fallen angels, you can argue that all souled humans are fallen angels, since the C's said that the human race was collectively Lucifer, the fallen archangel. The giants you refer to are clearly the Nephilim of Genesis and the apocryphal Book of Enoch, who were the result of genetic experiments by 4D STS forces, including no doubt those who live in the underground bases the C's have referred to. This may have included the Andarans:
Session 5 October 1994:
A: He was a member of the White Sect.
Q: (L) What is the White Sect?
A: AKA Aryans. Andarans.
{We didn't as who were the Andarans, though it did come up again in a later session.}
This White Sect may well be linked with the Nation of the Third Eye you referred to in your post. The Andarans may also be the same 4D STS group called elsewhere by the C's the Antareans:
Q: There are legends of half human creatures, minotaurs, centaurs, etc. Were any of these creatures real?
A: Experiments known as beasts in Atlantis.
Q: Who built the city of Baalbek?
A: Antereans and early Sumerians. We meant Atlanteans. {Who are the Antereans?}
Q: What is the reason for the enormous proportions of this building?
A: Giants.
Q: Who were the giants?
A: Genetic effort to recreate Nephalim.
Q: Did the Atlanteans and Sumerians succeed in recreating the Nephilim?
A: No.
However, this would not appear to have been STS forces' first attempt to introduce the Nephilim to Earth (having originally been bred off world) according to what the C's said here:
Q: I would like to go back to the subject of the Nephilim. Now you said the Nephilim were a group of humanoid types brought here to earth to be enforcers, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: When were they brought here?
A: 9046 B.C. one reference.
Q: They were giants, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: They were presented to the people as the representatives, or "Sons" of God, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: You say these dudes were 11 to 14 feet tall...
A: Yes.
Another name for the "Sons of God" is the Anunnaki, as found in ancient Sumer who would become the giant sons of Anak in the Bible or the Anakim. The C's also linked the Anunnaki to the Aryan peoples who came from Kantek in this exchange:
Q: (L) How did the people of that planet come to earth? Did they know it was going to be destroyed?
A: Some knew and were taken by Lizzies and they are the Annunaki.
So the overall picture on the giants is confusing.
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Yes, it could well be given COVID, the vaccination programme and the recent steps being taken to limit food supplies. However, it may be far more involved than that. Since the Rosteem entered into a pact with the Elohim, who as a result became transdefinitive entities, they could actively be helping to introduce the new human race the C's have spoken of, which takes us back to the subject of hybrids again:
Session 7 March 1995:
Q: (L) Who were the Elohim of the Bible?
A: Transdefinitive. And variable entities. [...] First manifestation was human, then non-human. [...]
Q: (L) Well, what brought about their transformation from human to non-human?
A: Pact or covenant.
Q: (L) They made a pact or covenant with each other?
A: No, with 4th density STS.
Q: (L) Well, that is not good! Are you saying that the Elohim are STS? Who were these STS beings they made a pact with?
A: Rosteem, now manifests as Rosicrucians.
Session 30 July 1994:
Q: (L) What are they using our energy and bodies for?
A: Create a new race. Theirs fading out.
susy7
Jedi Master
This is a suggestion, there's no criticism in what I'm saying, but wouldn't it be necessary to try to ask for paths as S.T.O candidates? Because we know and the questions are always related to earthly phenomena and there is hardly any questioning about how to reach or how to achieve the path of S.T.O, that's all. It's a question like any other.
@irjO wrote "Is it not this answer clear now? The depopulation agenda?"
That could be it. And I would add that "if so" depopulation is a earthly manifestation of the great harvest of souls, and that, is necessary and unstoppable. So, don't expect too much to change. But resistance is compulsory depending on ones FRV, and resistance is its own reward.
@susy7 wrote: "wouldn't it be necessary to try to ask for paths as S.T.O candidates?"
That answer always come back around to: learn common 3D life, and karmic understanding. And that's it! Once you have got that your free to go. And it doesn't appear to mean you got it perfectly or every single type of experience, just that over-all, in-general you've learned "enough" of what this experience can teach. And BTW: if I didn't have "enough" 3D and karmic experience, I wouldn't want to graduate, as I would have an ass-woopin coming upon entry into 4D.
If the questions become complicated, then maybe something very simple and short could bring us something to work with. Only an example:
Q: Are there two or more factions or empires of undergrounders, each having a different FRV?
Why do we need to know these things? What is the need other than to satisfy curiosity? Maybe we don’t. Just enjoy the show and work on self. If this is a harvest festival for the universe, well, I hope they enjoy themselves. Meanwhile, we are just that which is being harvested, so best to just get through it, right? But this is a confluence of many cycles. Super important. And we should at least try to see and understand the processes as much as possible in the hopes that it will remain in the soul-memory for future works in the universe(s). And maybe curiosity should be followed until you hit the wall.
Here and now in our time-material-world is the best environment for learning. This is only antidotal, but I once had a dream where things keep shifting because (I don't know.), so much so that I stopped and cursed “damit! this environment is so dam hard to finish anything before it changes again! The earth is better place for figuring things out, and getting things done!” and that reminds me of what @MJF posted. “that will range far beyond your time-space illusion, creating, constructing, teaching as only a human-trained graduate energy is able to do." (And I’ll add to that a human trained graduate that went through a harsh STS environment and survived!) Not the un-tested ones that never had to endure many life cycles as a STS being. A bit speculative, but I’ll let that stand.
No guarantee of 4D. As for me it could be 4D or could be re-runs of 3D for 309k years. But, whether recycling in 3D or being a new-be in the new environment of 4D I’d like to have as many things put-together in the soul-memory as possible while I’m still here. Curiosity isn’t all bad…
That could be it. And I would add that "if so" depopulation is a earthly manifestation of the great harvest of souls, and that, is necessary and unstoppable. So, don't expect too much to change. But resistance is compulsory depending on ones FRV, and resistance is its own reward.
@susy7 wrote: "wouldn't it be necessary to try to ask for paths as S.T.O candidates?"
That answer always come back around to: learn common 3D life, and karmic understanding. And that's it! Once you have got that your free to go. And it doesn't appear to mean you got it perfectly or every single type of experience, just that over-all, in-general you've learned "enough" of what this experience can teach. And BTW: if I didn't have "enough" 3D and karmic experience, I wouldn't want to graduate, as I would have an ass-woopin coming upon entry into 4D.
If the questions become complicated, then maybe something very simple and short could bring us something to work with. Only an example:
Q: Are there two or more factions or empires of undergrounders, each having a different FRV?
Why do we need to know these things? What is the need other than to satisfy curiosity? Maybe we don’t. Just enjoy the show and work on self. If this is a harvest festival for the universe, well, I hope they enjoy themselves. Meanwhile, we are just that which is being harvested, so best to just get through it, right? But this is a confluence of many cycles. Super important. And we should at least try to see and understand the processes as much as possible in the hopes that it will remain in the soul-memory for future works in the universe(s). And maybe curiosity should be followed until you hit the wall.
Here and now in our time-material-world is the best environment for learning. This is only antidotal, but I once had a dream where things keep shifting because (I don't know.), so much so that I stopped and cursed “damit! this environment is so dam hard to finish anything before it changes again! The earth is better place for figuring things out, and getting things done!” and that reminds me of what @MJF posted. “that will range far beyond your time-space illusion, creating, constructing, teaching as only a human-trained graduate energy is able to do." (And I’ll add to that a human trained graduate that went through a harsh STS environment and survived!) Not the un-tested ones that never had to endure many life cycles as a STS being. A bit speculative, but I’ll let that stand.
No guarantee of 4D. As for me it could be 4D or could be re-runs of 3D for 309k years. But, whether recycling in 3D or being a new-be in the new environment of 4D I’d like to have as many things put-together in the soul-memory as possible while I’m still here. Curiosity isn’t all bad…
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It's discussed in detail in The Wave and the Secret History series. Have you read those?
I do not necessarily see a contradiction in this since a group of Atlanteans of Aryan, i.e., Kantek or Celtic, stock could have first gone underground 14,000 years ago and developed their own society without the need for alien assistance, which could have become the model for Bulwer-Lytton's Ana or Vril-ya. Bulwer-Lytton made no reference to aliens and described the Vril-ya more as superhumans. Indeed, they could now be Charles T Hall's 'Tall Whites', who supposedly have been co-operating secretly with the US (or secret) government on advanced technology projects. Although this Aryan/Celtic civilisation may have developed on its own, the C's added that it was still managed or manipulated by STS Orions (see below).
The picture may be even more complicated by the fact that there could be more than one underground civilisation, as suggested by my earlier post. The denizens of these underground bases seem to include aliens (Greys and Lizards) as well as humanoid types (some of whom are bi-density) and various human hybrids, as previously discussed on this thread. As to the humans, the C's said all types there are Aryans, which therefore seems to exclude other surface world races.
Session 31 August 1996:The picture may be even more complicated by the fact that there could be more than one underground civilisation, as suggested by my earlier post. The denizens of these underground bases seem to include aliens (Greys and Lizards) as well as humanoid types (some of whom are bi-density) and various human hybrids, as previously discussed on this thread. As to the humans, the C's said all types there are Aryans, which therefore seems to exclude other surface world races.
Q: (L) Question, this may take us somewhere. I noticed when I was redoing these transcripts for Ark to read that when we were discussing the origin of the Celts, that the question was asked, by me, were they in any way superior to the indigenous people of this planet? And the remark was, that they were sturdier in some way. And then I commented that they didn't appear to be sturdier than, say, some of the big Black people, because Celts are very fair, and very thin-skinned looking, and very delicate. It just seemed to me to be kind of an odd remark to make. However, the response that I received, which I didn't pick up on at the time, which blew me out of the water, was that they were sturdier, but not necessarily on the surface of the planet... (J) No, they didn't say on the surface of the planet. They just said, on the surface. (L) On the surface... Uh huh. So, does that surface mean surface of their appearance, or does that surface mean surface as in underground? That's my question.
A: Both.
Q: (L) Now, in talking about these large underground cities or enclaves that we've talked about on a couple of occasions, it has been said that these beings come and actually may take human babies. I mean , this is like fairy lore, legends, of different kinds of creatures that come and steal people's babies, and they go and live underground, and sometimes, one or another will escape. Is this what we're talking about here? These kinds of situations, these underground cities and caves and civilizations and so forth?
A: Vague.
Q: (L) Well, I know it's vague... (T) Are the Celts part of these underground civilizations? [MJF: Note that Laura refers to civilisations in the plural here not civilisation.]
A: Yes.
Q: (T) And they came to the surface some time ago...
A: No.
Q: (L) No, they came here, and they were taken underground...
A: No.
Q: (L) No, well, what's the story?
A: Went.
Q: (L) They went underground? Is that it? (T) When did they go underground?
A: Several occasions, the most recent being, on your calendar: 1941 through 1945. [MJF: which suggests that there have been ongoing migrations of Celts to the underworld, which may include the fabled Tuatha de Danann in Ireland who in Irish legend went to the underworld or netherworld after their defeat by the Gaels/Milesians and even elements of the Knights Templar: Q: What DID happen to the Templar fleet? A: Sail to underworld.]
Q: (L) That's when they went underground? 1941 through 1945?
A: Last episode of mass migration, mostly Deutschlanders. [MJF: Do Germans regard themselves as Celts though?]
Session 23 November 1996:
Q: (J) What or who - is the "Nation of the Third Eye?"
A: Terran civilization under the surface.
Q: (L) Now, wait a minute. I remember that when they said the Aryans were brought from Kantek, and that they were "sturdier," or something like that, and I remarked that it seemed that they would be less sturdy - and the C's answered "on the surface." Now, that has always bothered me. I don't think they meant "surface appearances." Have the Aryans been glorified as the "master race" because they are more suited to living underground?
A: Close. All types there are "Aryan".
Q: (L) Okay, is this a Terran underground civilization that has been 'managed' by Orions, or did it develop on its own?
A: One at a time.
Q: (L) Did the underground civilization develop on its own?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is it managed or manipulated by Orions as well?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are these "managers" Orions from other densities?
A: Yes and no.
Q: (L) I don't understand. Are there some that are 4th and some that are 3rd?
A: The human types there are "bi-density."
That's where I went wrong assuming Subterraneans and Atlanteans must be of the same stock...
... if the aryan types from down below were 'bi-density' (as I have understood - or are just some of them bi-density?) then the Atlanteans could be as well.
But... they were not.
That's what I didn't quite understand. If they didn't develop bi-density at some point they must have been in that state from the beginning, but since they parted from the Atlanteans the latter should have been bi-d as well which they were not.
No necessarily, it sounded more like some underground people, developed this bi-density “ability” by hybridization, meaning there can be a lot of experimentation genetically speaking by STS forces down there. Just a thought; We could be bi-density in a sense as well, every time we are (assuming that we are) abducted, we could be taken to 4th density and then brought back to 3th density, moving between both densities although by external influences, just an idea. Coming back to the subject, to me their “bi-density” feature can be something more like psychic abilities, they could be capable of “sensing” “manipulate” or “perceive” a bit more than we do, and that’s about it.
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I understand the point you are making. Perhaps the answer lies in what the C's mean by Atlantean. At times they seem to make a clear distinction between the Atlanteans and the Aryans/Celts. For example:
Session 2 November 1994:
Q: (L) When the Aryans were brought here, were they brought to Atlantis?Session 2 November 1994:
A: No. The Aryans were different from the Atlanteans.
And
Session 24 September 1995:
Q: (L) What genetic type were the Atlanteans?
A: They were the same as the "Native Americans."
Hence, the C's seem to be suggesting above that the Atlanteans were Native Americans and thus appear to be excluding the Aryans from the Atlantean designation here. I would agree that this is all highly confusing. Moreover, the C's have also said that the Atlanteans were already an advanced society when the Aryans/Celts arrived on the scene.
Q: How long, in our terms, did it take to bring these Celts to this planet? Or, is this ongoing?
A: Well, in the sense that you measure it, let us say about a week.
Q: Did they transport them in ships, that is some sort of structure. That is, did they load them up, move them into 4th density, reemerge here in 3rd density, or something like that?
A: Close.
Q: And they unloaded them in the area of the Caucasus, is that correct?
A: And regions surrounding.
Q: And, that was what, 79 to 80 thousand years ago?
A: Over 80,000.
Q: As I understand it, Atlantis was already quite a developed civilization at that time, is that correct?
A: Yes, but regions change with waves of immigration, or conquest... witness your own lands.
Indeed, the Atlanteans would appear to have been the builders of the Monuments on Mars too:
Q: (TL) Who made the monuments on Mars?
A: Atlanteans.
Q: (T) So, the Atlanteans had inter-planetary ability?
A: Yes. With ease. Atlantean technology makes yours look like the
Neanderthal era.
Q: (T) Who created the structures on the moon that Richard
Hoagland has discovered?
A: Atlanteans.
Does this mean that they were built by the Native American Atlanteans alone with no Aryan involvement? This could well be the case since Richard Hoagland (before he went off track) put forward the argument that the Face on Mars was both human and feline in its design and this mirrored similar artistic imagery seen in later cultures like that of the Maya of Central America.
Just to make things even more complex, the C's also supplied the following answer to a famous UFO case from 1957 that I became aware of many years ago:
Just to make things even more complex, the C's also supplied the following answer to a famous UFO case from 1957 that I became aware of many years ago:
Session 4 November 1994:
Q: (L) What about the Villas-Boas case; who were these beings and what was the purpose for this interaction?
A: Aryan's breeding experiment.
Q: (L) Where do these Aryans live?
A: In transit.
Q: (L) When they get to where they are going, where do they live?
A: They don't. There are many who do not live specifically anywhere. They are perpetually in transit.
For details of the Villas-Boas case see: Antônio Vilas-Boas - Wikipedia. It would seem that the small humanoid beings who abducted him were most likely the tall Greys but the female he bred with was clearly an Aryan. This again shows how STS Nordics often work in conjunction with the Orion Greys.
Hence, it seems from the C's answer that not all Aryans who have been involved in UFO incidents are necessarily based underground like the Nation of the Third Eye appear to be.
Hence, it seems from the C's answer that not all Aryans who have been involved in UFO incidents are necessarily based underground like the Nation of the Third Eye appear to be.
susy7
Jedi Master
Yes,all
solarmind
Jedi
Does C's gave locations for those underground Celtic / Aryan civilizations and the Nation of the Third Eye? Or better to ask, does they give any location of the entrances and exits where those hybrids could come to surface? I can't remember if the places like Antarctica were members speculations around their answers, or the C's pointed to certain Earth spots.
