Session 29 March 2025

[seek10]

Thank you Laura and team for the session.

(seek10) Can I ask a question? Some Anti-Chinese bloggers are claiming that the Chinese population has suddenly decreased, citing observations like empty streets. My question is: has the Chinese population reduced dramatically due to factors such as the one-child policy, which was implemented earlier and began reducing the fertility rate below the replacement level of 2.1 in the early 1990s, combined with the effects of COVID-19 and mass vaccinations over the past five years? Population projections suggested a decline starting in 2020, which coincided with the pandemic and vaccination campaigns. The claims vary. Some argue that the 30 years of low fertility rates have had a lasting impact, and that the Chinese government has been overestimating and inflating population figures for geopolitical reasons. Another narrative attributes the decline to COVID-19, with significant fatalities contributing to the reduction. So, what is the current population of China? Officially, it is reported to be 1.4 billion. However, some speculate it could be as low as 800 million, based on factors like salt consumption and other transactional data.

A: Closer to the latter figure.

Q: (seek10) It's 800 million.

(Niall) China's population is closer to 800 million. Officially it's 1.354 billion! That's insane.

(Joe) What's the actual figure, roughly speaking obviously? Is it closer to the latter? But does that mean it's... To the nearest hundred million.

A: Just under 1 billion.

C's reply of 'Closer to the latter figure' is interesting. While doing some research, I came across 3 numbers - 500 million, 800 million ( based on salt consumption ) and 1 Billion though I didn't mention of 1 billion in the question.

• 800-900 million ( based on salt consumption )
• 1 Billion estimation is based on Govt. ID cards issued for people of age above 16 ( 776 million) and estimated 17 to 18% who are below of age 16( 240 million).

Q: (L) Is it because of COVID?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So more people have been dying... I mean, everybody's been having these outrageously high excess death rates everywhere. So one would imagine that they're having them also in China. Did China have a big vaccination program?

(Niall) Yes, Sinovac. An attenuated virus one.

(Joe) Was there an element to the original COVID virus that was released, made in a lab Fort Detrick, and released at the Wuhan military games in 2019, was there an element to that virus that was ethnic specific against Chinese?

A: Yes and no.

Q: (L) So was it an ethnic specific weapon?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Was it aimed against the Chinese?

A: Partly.

Q: (Joe) And who else?

A: Varied.

Q: (L) I don't think they want to talk about that because it's very slow and draggy. Was it aimed at white people?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) It's half the global population almost.

(L) Well, I mean Caucasians and...

(Joe) Yeah, that's what I mean. Sounds like it was aimed at everybody.

(L) Caucasians and Orientals.

(Gaby) Eurasian descendants.

(L) Eurasian, yeah.

(Chu) And the Chinese didn't do the mRNA vaccine. So imagine the death toll if they had...

(Joe) What was the real death toll from this virus that was released, COVID-19, amongst the Chinese people. What was the total number of deaths within 10 million?

A: Millions though not classified as such.

Q: (Joe) Heart attacks, etc. So, the official population of China is 1.4 billion according to the Chinese government, but they're saying it's just under 1 billion. So we're not saying that 400 million people died of as result of covid. Right?

A: No

Q: (Joe) So the Chinese government has been lying about the official numbers.

A: Not exactly.

Q: (L) Maybe they just don't know.

A: Yes

This is interesting. If Chinese can't figure out their population count, the probability of other developing large countries keeping track of their population much lower as the people's trust in govt. tend to be lower than developed nations to report birth and deaths. Even in developed nations, people doesn't report deaths unless there is some specific benefit. In developing nations like India, if there is govt. benefits they can get with the living person's identity (Aadhar card equivalent of US social security card), family may not even report. There were lot of news of deaths during covid ( mainly 2023 and 2024) in Indian social media outlets, it is hard to know whether they were counted or not.

Q: (Niall) It's like the UK government. Does the UK government KNOW the real population is 90 million?

(Joe) What's the total number of people on the planet now then? What's the total number of people on the planet? What's the population of this planet? A human population, strictly speaking?

(Niall) To the nearest billion.

A: 7

Current population ( as per the search engine) is 8.23 billion. It means 1.2 billion is missing from govt. projection calculations. These are top 10 population countries accounted for 55% of the population. .4 billion missing is accounted in China. Given that my initial suspicion is based on the below replacement rate births for 3 decades in China, I wondered about the fertility rates for other countries in top 10. Current population given by AI of search engine.

Country	Population	% of world	Date
India	1,425,775,850	17.50%
China	1,409,670,000	17.30%
United States	337,704,271	4.13%
Indonesia	278,696,200	3.41%
Pakistan	229,488,994	2.81%
Nigeria	216,746,934	2.65%
Brazil	218,992,208	2.68%
Bangladesh	168,220,000	2.06%
Russia	147,190,000	1.80%
Mexico	128,271,248	1.57%

Here is fertility rate chart

Except 5th place Pakistan and 6th place Nigeria, every body else is below replacement rate of 2.1 . Russia rate started to reduce after 2015 peak ( that is still less than 2 due all the sufferings of 90's). Even India and Bangladesh's fertility rate is less than 2.1 for almost decade or more. Little worse with Indonesia, Brazil and Mexico. United States rate is less than 2.1 like China for last 35 years.

Q: (Niall) Seven? Interesting. They told us eight before COVID. Officially, it hadn't reached eight and they said it was eight already. So, yeah. The die-off is happening.

(Joe) There's been a reduction from the last time we asked that question. There's been a reduction of 1 billion people. Was that because a lot of people aren't actually having children?

A: Partly.

Q: (Joe) That plus COVID.

(L) And probably because a lot of people who might've wanted kids can't get pregnant because of the vaccines. The vaccines have blocked pregnancies or caused miscarriages.

(Niall) I think poverty went back up.

(L) Poverty, hunger, suicides, drugs.

(Joe) And governments, at least in the West... Are they aware of that reduction in the numbers and that's why they're promoting immigration policies?

A: At some levels.

Q: (L) Well, you know that. Some people know and some people don't.

(Joe) No, I know, but I'm just...

(L) "Government" is a pretty all-embracing term.

(Joe) Yeah, but it is a need in a certain sense. They realize that there's a fall off in population and they need to bring 'em in.

(L) Well, I don't think that's why they're bringing them in. That's replacement.

(Joe) You've read too much Twitter, Laura.

If the Fertility rates decline over decades is an indication, these COVID vaccine REAL impact would be much much worse and we will only know in future.

 

[iyan]

Merci pour cette transcription.
Let's stay vigilant as summer approaches...

 

[Bernardo GA]

Many thanks to the entire team for this great session, and to all who were present via Zoom.
Here we will continue to hold firm, relying on all the truths that we are able to access with great effort.

 

[jcsmalz]

Thank you Laura and Andromeda for your time and energy and thank you to everyone who takes part

 

[axj]

Country	Population	% of world	Date
India	1,425,775,850	17.50%
China	1,409,670,000	17.30%
United States	337,704,271	4.13%
Indonesia	278,696,200	3.41%
Pakistan	229,488,994	2.81%
Nigeria	216,746,934	2.65%
Brazil	218,992,208	2.68%
Bangladesh	168,220,000	2.06%
Russia	147,190,000	1.80%
Mexico	128,271,248	1.57%

If even the relatively developed and highly digitized China cannot keep track of how many people are within its borders, then the same applies even more to most countries on this list.

Though the puzzling part is that the C's did give a much higher Earth population number 12 years ago. So indeed, how did the world population shrink by about 1 or 2 billion people within just a decade?

There are most likely several reasons, eg. fertility below replacement in much of the world, increased mortality from the covid shots, apparently an increasing number of people being replaced, maybe an increase in toxicity of food in general, etc.

Though which of those are the biggest reasons for this huge population reduction?

 

[Persej]

(L) What is it seeing if it's seeing something?

A: Courtney is projecting.

Q: (L) When you say projecting, do you mean that he's putting his own hopes and wishes on what it's doing, or is he literally putting some of himself into the AI, connecting with it and having it manifest his wishes?

A: Latter.

Since Laura has the ability to influence the computers through PK, and AI is sensitive to such influences, I wonder if the effect would be stronger if such AI would be physically close to her, instead of trying to influence it while it is working on some server, thousands of miles away. And not just about the distance factor, such a local computer would be influenced only by her and not by millions of other people who are also using it at the same time. So perhaps local AI would be a better option for connecting our minds with AI?

 

[miguel angel]

Thank you very much for another session!

 

[seve]

Thank you all for this fascinating session. I'm O- as are my son and his father, who has a bit of Basque blood like me, so it's quite logical to find this formula. I also have some Nordic, Italian and Spanish origins. Quite a program. I've been thinking lately that they haven't managed to reduce the world's population in any remarkable way. SO I WAS WRONG! They have.

 

[KTC]

Thank you for the session!

 

[Ghazi18]

Thank you thank you for the session! The pyramid questions were very interesting, I remember the C’s stating something about “underneath the sphinx”, let’s see if there are any discoveries in the near future.

Hope everyone is doing well! Let’s all hang on in case things do get ugly by the summer.

 

[Bastian]

(Laurs) Are there any vaccines out there at present, besides the BCG vaccine, that have a positive effect on the human body, including making it more resistant to disease in general?

A: No

Hello @Laurs.
Could you explain us why, in your question to the Cs, you thought that the BCG vaccine was an exception, compared to the other vaccines ?

 

[Lamadu]

Thanks for this wonderful session to Laura, the team, and the Cassiopaeans.

 

[Laurs]

First of all, thank you Crew and Members for another excellent session , so many interesting topics!

Could you explain us why, in your question to the Cs, you thought that the BCG vaccine was an exception, compared to the other vaccines ?

Sure, @Bastian, here it goes (FYI the question was formulated like that after networking about it, as I had completely forgotten about the BCG vaccine ):

In the session of 18th December 2021, Niall asked:


Q: (Niall) Has any vaccine ever actually eradicated a disease, or at least positively affected its severity or frequency?

A: Yes.


Then, in the Coronavirus thread, there was this post of 17th April 2020 by Gaby about the various beneficial effects of the BCG vaccine, part of which I copy here:

Here's a summary of the BCG connection:

Could a 100-year-old vaccine protect against COVID-19?

Several clinical trials around the world are now examining whether this vaccine could protect against this new foe.

www.livescience.com

So they want to vaccinate everybody with mRNA that has never been tried before and will only have a few months or one year at best of clinical trials.

On the other end, the BCG vaccine has been around since 1921, it is catalogued as one of the safest and effective medicines and it costs $0.16 to US$1.11 (In the U.S. it costs $100 to $200 though). 100 years in the market is a good track record, you literally know what to expect.

As of 2017, BCG vaccine was in the early stages of being studied in type 1 diabetes. Additionally, it is sometimes used as part of the treatment of bladder cancer.

And it has nonspecific beneficial effects on overall mortality in low income countries, or for reducing other health problems including sepsis and respiratory infections. Someone was paying attention to see if there would be a COVID-19 correlation.

Followed by her post of the same date about the BCG vaccine:

The exact mechanisms are not known, but apparently it boosts the immune system when given to someone who is competent from an immunological point of view. That is, you can't give this vaccine to people who are too old, immunocompromised and to pregnant women.

Here is the RT article Gaby quotes from in her post:

‘Striking’ evidence emerges that TB vaccine may be effective against Covid-19 — countries that use it have TEN TIMES fewer cases​

By Peter Andrews, Irish science journalist and writer based in London. He has a background in the life sciences, and graduated from the University of Glasgow with a degree in genetics.

FILE PHOTO © Global Look Press / Frank Bienewald
The world may not have to wait 12 to 18 months for a Covid-19 vaccine — scientists hope a TB shot can be adapted to fight it much more quickly. But the research so far is based on statistics, and clinical trials are still needed.

Exciting new findings suggest that the cure for the coronavirus may have been under our noses all this time. Evidence is emerging that the commonly used BCG vaccine appears to be protective against Covid-19.

Bacillus Calmette–Guérin, or BCG vaccine, is commonly used to inoculate against tuberculosis (TB). It works by delivering a boost to the immune system cells in the bone marrow, which are then released and respond to all sorts of pathogens. That helps to protect against TB, but also a host of other diseases. It is used to treat measles, malaria, bladder cancer, and it also decreases respiratory infections in older people. This general protective effect of BCG prompted the scientists to investigate whether it might work for Covid-19 as well.

And in a preprint paper that has been submitted for publication to major scientific journals, but is available for download here, scientists have found ‘’striking’’ evidence suggesting that the BCG could be co-opted for use against Covid-19. Whether a country has a BCG vaccination programme or not appears to correlate with how many Covid-19 cases they have.

Nothing seems to work​

Different countries have taken drastically different approaches to the coronavirus pandemic. But there appears to be no discernable pattern across countries depending on the measures they have taken to control the virus. From Big Data-enabled lockdowns in East Asia to a laissez-faire policy in Sweden, the infected and mortality figures do not seem to correlate with the measures at all.


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But at last one correlation has emerged: countries with BCG vaccination programmes are having fewer cases than those without. In this study, 178 countries were included, of which 131 have national programmes of BCG vaccination, 21 do not, and 26 have an unknown status. Interestingly, the USA and Italy are among the rich, developed countries to have never had a universal BCG programme. Spain also does not have one, but their Iberian neighbours Portugal do, and they had only 209 deaths at the time of writing. The UK ran a modest vaccination programme that ended in 2005.

From data gathered over 15 days of the current pandemic, incidence of Covid-19 was 38.4/million in countries with BCG vaccination compared to 358.4/million in countries without. The mortality rate was 4.28/million in countries with BCG programs compared to 40/million in countries without such a program.

Therefore, there are roughly 10 times fewer cases and deaths in countries with BCG vaccination. One of the paper’s co-authors, Dr Ashish Kamat, said that “While we expected to see a protective effect of BCG, the magnitude of the difference (almost 10 fold) in incidence and mortality (of Covid-19) between countries with and without a BCG vaccination program was pleasantly surprising.’’

Other possible factors need checking​

This study being about a correlation, of course the ‘’not causation’’ business must be mentioned. There are a host of qualifiers and caveats to the study, which basically amount to the possibility that factors other than the BCG status are affecting the figures for cases and deaths from Covid-19 coming out of those countries. Then again, they may not be.

Also on rt.com As scientists break down borders to fight Covid-19, nationalist leaders build them back up
Vaccine development is possibly the most cautious of all scientific endeavours, which is why rolling out a new one for this coronavirus will take at least a year, and probably longer. Patients who are given the vaccine as a trial must be monitored for at least six months to check for any potential side effects, and then follow further months of data analysis and bureaucratic procedures.

Adjusting an existing vaccine, however, could happen much faster, perhaps in half the time. Professor Robert Gallo of the Institute of Human Virology in Maryland says that he and his team will shortly make a major announcement, which is likely to involve an adjusted existing vaccine being computed for coronavirus.

Meanwhile, at least seven clinical trials have been launched for BCG as a treatment for Covid-19, including ones in Australia and the Netherlands. Hopefully there is more to this study than just correlation. If there is, we might get out of this lockdown sooner rather than later.

So that had me wondering, especially after the interview of Dr. Suzanne Humphries by Joe Rogan, whether there is a vaccine, besides the BCG, they give at present that has positive effects on humans including making us more resistant to disease, and the C’s said there isn’t. Hope this answers your question

 

[candasiri]

So that had me wondering, especially after the interview of Dr. Suzanne Humphries by Joe Rogan, whether there is a vaccine, besides the BCG, they give at present that has positive effects on humans including making us more resistant to disease, and the C’s said there isn’t. Hope this answers your question

That was a great question I thought. I wonder if the Cs would recommend forum members getting it given the possibility of a true plague coming? (The Trumpocalypse/the Orange Death...I'm just joking and trying to lighten my mood) I am thinking that I might get it myself and see if my 2 yr old could get it as well. My only hesitation would be if there was a really gnarly ingredient list.

From March 1 2025:

(hlat) Are reports of a new coronavirus, HKU5-CoVs, an attempt to bring back covid lockdowns?

A: They are trying everything but may be trumped by the real deal!

Early-data-from-Mass-General-researchers-suggests-the-BCG-vaccine-could-have-a-protective-effect-against-Alzheimers-disease

Century-old Vaccine Protects Type 1 Diabetics from Infectious Diseases

 

[Bastian]

Sure, @Bastian, here it goes (FYI the question was formulated like that after networking about it, as I had completely forgotten about the BCG vaccine ):

Thank you a lot @Laurs for your detailed answer, I understand better.

I know that the BCG vaccine has some positive side-effect properties, particularly in certain countries, such as sub-saharian Africa.

But there are also some problems with the BCG, according to a French book on vaccines.
For instance in France, against tuberculosis, it's not useful for most of the people (but really poor people, sub-saharian migrants, etc.).

I'll try to gather some data to discuss that more precisely.