Thanks for the new session transcript and the great discussion.
Session 30 October 2021
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About overpopulation... there is a very weird and compelling discussion from Gurdjieff about death. It has lead me to theorize that there is a relationship between the quantity of the world's people and the spiritual qualities of the world's people.
The less spiritual the world becomes, the more people are born. Overpopulation is a result in the decay of true spirituality.
Why? It's not just that people are being actively bred like livestock, and they can't control their sexual urges, etc.
It's due to the types of vibrations required for world maintenance. The world is maintained by the energy released at death, called by Gurdjieff 'the sacred Rascooarno'.
From Gurdjieff: Making a New World by J.G. Bennett, p. 212:
This is corroborated by Don Juan's description of underdeveloped Soul energy being 'eaten by the Eagle' at death. According to Don Juan, you get eaten unless you're able to grow the Soul enough to escape the cosmic beak. This is in his book Fire From Within.
So when humans die, there's a lot going on at the level of cosmic laws. At death, it sounds like there is an energetic exchange that occurs which plays a key part in the maintenance of the spiritual/ecological galactic food web. Who 'the Angels' are, how they get the food, what they do with it - who knows?
Anyways, there's that basic framework being described. What I noticed is that the 'death-energy-food' can also be released in life, as one undergoes the death of the false personality.
So, there are two versions of this particular death-energy-food that is required by 'the Angels' - it is either automatically released by humans at automatic death, or it is consciously released through the Work by the death of the false personality.
My theory is that as one type of food is depleted, the other type increases to compensate. It is a balancing.
Say you have a world population of 1 billion. As more and more people begin live more materialistic lives, this depletes the conscious death-energy-food. But the energy is still required. Thus, more and more people are born just to die and provide this energy. Suddenly you have 7.8 billion.
It's a like a teeter-totter. The less spiritual humanity becomes, the more the population increases. It is quite a bizarre thing to consider.
More from Bennett, p. 191:
This last part is very dense, and it very much resonates with what the C's have said - this is the time to grow our Souls, not just for ourselves, but on behalf of the Realm. And strangely enough, even all the ones who will be dying are participating too, in their own way, in this grand balancing. There is some solace in that thought.
The less spiritual the world becomes, the more people are born. Overpopulation is a result in the decay of true spirituality.
Why? It's not just that people are being actively bred like livestock, and they can't control their sexual urges, etc.
It's due to the types of vibrations required for world maintenance. The world is maintained by the energy released at death, called by Gurdjieff 'the sacred Rascooarno'.
From Gurdjieff: Making a New World by J.G. Bennett, p. 212:
This is corroborated by Don Juan's description of underdeveloped Soul energy being 'eaten by the Eagle' at death. According to Don Juan, you get eaten unless you're able to grow the Soul enough to escape the cosmic beak. This is in his book Fire From Within.
So when humans die, there's a lot going on at the level of cosmic laws. At death, it sounds like there is an energetic exchange that occurs which plays a key part in the maintenance of the spiritual/ecological galactic food web. Who 'the Angels' are, how they get the food, what they do with it - who knows?
Anyways, there's that basic framework being described. What I noticed is that the 'death-energy-food' can also be released in life, as one undergoes the death of the false personality.
So, there are two versions of this particular death-energy-food that is required by 'the Angels' - it is either automatically released by humans at automatic death, or it is consciously released through the Work by the death of the false personality.
My theory is that as one type of food is depleted, the other type increases to compensate. It is a balancing.
Say you have a world population of 1 billion. As more and more people begin live more materialistic lives, this depletes the conscious death-energy-food. But the energy is still required. Thus, more and more people are born just to die and provide this energy. Suddenly you have 7.8 billion.
It's a like a teeter-totter. The less spiritual humanity becomes, the more the population increases. It is quite a bizarre thing to consider.
More from Bennett, p. 191:
This last part is very dense, and it very much resonates with what the C's have said - this is the time to grow our Souls, not just for ourselves, but on behalf of the Realm. And strangely enough, even all the ones who will be dying are participating too, in their own way, in this grand balancing. There is some solace in that thought.
It was not clear to me if this question refers to the whole world (mainly the western world) or to the US.
trytofly
Jedi Master
It seems to me that some have already answered that it should rather concern Russia in view of the exchange preceding the question.
Q: (Keit) So far Russia, despite various restrictions, has lower levels of corona craziness in comparison to other countries. Should we expect Russia to catch up also because of low vaccination rates?
(L) Are you asking if Russia is going to have more coronavirus cases because they're not...
(Keit) More corona craziness.
(L) Oh, so are they gonna become more like Western countries because they've been slack so far...
A: No.
Q: (Keit) Will mandatory vaccination bill pass?
A: Yes
Q: (Keit) And will there be protests?
A: Yes
It seems logical to say so. Immunity always suffers from vaccination (adjuvants alone are harmful already), and repeated vaccination is a sure way to many illnesses including AIDS. Those who strive to minimize negative effects of vaccines should have overall better chance of surviving any given epidemy comparing to the rest of population.
I was sure that overpopulation is a myth. Mainly because of the below video where Stefan Verstappen shows how every person on the Earth can fit in state of Texas and still have a piece of land with house and public areas to walk around.
Paradise Stolen: Myth of Overpopulation
I guess I am missing some context here or misunderstood some important points in Stefan's video.
As per above exchange overpopulation can be something objective because of environmental changes(Earth, Solar system, Wave), lifestyle, elite's point of view.
PerfectCircle
Jedi Master
Same.. and it really sounded logical to me.
In one session Cass said that when Atlantis was up, the population number was similar to what we have now.
I sort of took it as a "normal" number for our planet.
But when you think about it, after the fall of Atlantis, population number drastically declined, so yes.. interesting topic.
tschai
Dagobah Resident
Thanks for the session everyone- had too read through a couple of times to get everything. A lot here to absorb!
Alek
A Disturbance in the Force
Thanks you all for the session! After first reading, I felt with very little hope regarding most of the population. Months ago Putin warned in the world economic forum I think; about this same possible scenario. But, hope is never lose.
lilies
The Living Force
Thank You for this amazing session and for the transcription effort!
Also that 79% is pretty heavyweight issue, as is everything nowadays.
But, thanks to my Weather Project A (for Summer) and Project B (mitigating Winter), as I reported many times in the weather-thread, I became used to pretty stunning, almost miraculous results in sudden reality-changes.
When the weather environment suddenly changes and with it the Earth-experience changes as well. As if somebody put another presentation page into the projector and now the new graph colors suddenly fill up the darkened room.
I guess it will be like that with this incoming Plague. Whenever I encounter Plague drama precursors happening, I'm getting a feeling as if a "hard-rubber eraser" [representing the new reality] touched my energy body and the old reality is suddenly gone.
The increasing number of ambulance sirens we now hearing and the increasing number of bodies lying about we are witnessing: reality can change pretty fast, unexpected [for many witnesses] these times. But we here are aware of the changes and we know what to expect. In theory..
Its just when things really happen, that's when it hits you! A completely new experience that you have to adjust yourself to as it suddenly becomes your completely new environment!
Doesn't matter if its a sudden, drastically changed weather pattern or an inert body lying in the bushes before our house..
Right after I notice it happened, its a hard feeling that my entire reality has suddenly changed into a new one!
Got that. Living in danger-mode already as if I could lose everything any day. I'm fully expecting the worst. Karmic sensitivity also increased, I'm immediately getting a feedback [from the internal voice], if I made a questionable decision, when meeting people - especially if I have done nothing or very little in that situation. Have to remind myself of Maximum Strategic Enclosure and to respect others Free Will / past decision as well.
I got the same image-flash earlier this year, as then it became a serious dramatic moment, when Putin declared his new Vaxx-stance:
Though the C's confirmation affects the development process of our determination for the future for sure!
Also that 79% is pretty heavyweight issue, as is everything nowadays.
But, thanks to my Weather Project A (for Summer) and Project B (mitigating Winter), as I reported many times in the weather-thread, I became used to pretty stunning, almost miraculous results in sudden reality-changes.
When the weather environment suddenly changes and with it the Earth-experience changes as well. As if somebody put another presentation page into the projector and now the new graph colors suddenly fill up the darkened room.
I guess it will be like that with this incoming Plague. Whenever I encounter Plague drama precursors happening, I'm getting a feeling as if a "hard-rubber eraser" [representing the new reality] touched my energy body and the old reality is suddenly gone.
The increasing number of ambulance sirens we now hearing and the increasing number of bodies lying about we are witnessing: reality can change pretty fast, unexpected [for many witnesses] these times. But we here are aware of the changes and we know what to expect. In theory..
Its just when things really happen, that's when it hits you! A completely new experience that you have to adjust yourself to as it suddenly becomes your completely new environment!
Doesn't matter if its a sudden, drastically changed weather pattern or an inert body lying in the bushes before our house..
Right after I notice it happened, its a hard feeling that my entire reality has suddenly changed into a new one!
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What if the Wave then and the Wave now is the same event? If time is a line from the past into the future my question doesn't make much sense.
Sorry, excerpt is a bit long, but definitely worthy to mention. From 16-November-1994:
Just to make myself clear. I am not suggesting that every cataclysmic event on Earth is the result of the Wave, but some of those can be related. As there is no time as we know it.
To summarise. D'Ahnkiar is about to be burned by expanding star. Ancient Roman Empire is soon to go through cometary bombardment. Us here are on the verge of some major change. All simultaneously at the present.
This 'everyone-can-fit-into-New Hampshire' scenario is out of touch with reality.
The base example is a somewhat regular neighbourhood. But that neighbourhood is abstracted and removed from its ecological context. Where does this neighbourhood get its resources from? The wood for the houses, the electricity, the materials for the roads, their food and clothing, all the things of daily life? In their backyards? No. Outlying areas. If one truly mapped the size of this neighbourhood, in terms of the required resource web, it would be a much different land area.
One of the key tenets of ecology is that any given animal is primarily comprised of its ecological context. A grizzly bear is only made of 5% flesh, fur, bones and teeth - and it is 95% salmon streams, berry patches, mountain ranges, woodlands, and river valleys. The same goes for humans, and human communities - we are made of countless flows, arriving from afar.
If we want to think about overpopulation, we need to talk about reality. A model can be useful for consideration, yes, remembering the old adage that 'the map is not the territory'. But this map is not even a map. Not even a mention of subsistence modes, governance, economy and resource distribution, disease and health, spirituality and social codes.
He's done nothing to demonstrate he's familiar with a long, ongoing debate about overpopulation - the different theories presented by different schools of thought, particular books or authors or ideas. There is no history, no anthropology - nothing objective but a single mouse experiment from many decades ago.
And I find it very strange that he uses this particular mouse population experiment - to my eye, it disproves his own New Hampshire hypothesis.
The mice are in a closed system with 'optimal conditions of food and space'. There is an observed cycle of population growth, then a plateau marked by an increase in decadence and violence - and then they all die.
So the video author claims that the mice never would have behaved that way if they weren't trapped in the narrow confines of the experiment - that these conditions would never exist in nature. It was the result of an artificial, closed system. He makes a final comment about humans being rounded up into cities.
But at the start of the video, he proposes exactly such a model for humans - that we can all live in the new, artificial, closed system of New Hampshire. And with both of these examples side by side, he is claiming somehow that overpopulation is a myth. That does not compute.
There is nothing worth considering here beyond it being useful exercise in identifying bad logic and no research.
Thank you for another very inspiring session! Things are starting to get much more difficult to navigate, but with unity and collinearity, and with the help and guidance from the C's, I know that we will All make it through these 'times'.
I'm sure glad (and grateful) that Laura and Ark made that choice!
I'm sure glad (and grateful) that Laura and Ark made that choice!
KaWaiAwaAwa
Jedi Master
It seems to have been an answer to the person who framed the question. (Or so it seems.)
