Session 4 July 2015

Thank you for such an interesting session! I will have to look up Vincent Bridges in the transcripts; what a creepy thing to happen! :O
I am grateful for the words of encouragement from the C's. It is hard to get out in the world when such horror and craziness is happening all around us. I am also grateful Laura and crew and the forum are here to make sense of the insanity and to remind me I am not alone in this!
 
Thank you for this very interesting and insightful session.

I just kept wondering at what length can somebody go to do harm...I think VB wasn't aware of the extent of his agony.

And about the "butterfly effect" of the chateaux team cleansing, well indeed energy will find some place where it can go and have unexpected effects.
So it is up to us (you will do, what you will do) to send out a signal of "love and truth" if we want to see positive changes.
It's a huge responsibility in these unstable yet interesting times.

I hope we can cope with all these tasks.
I wish you well,

Joy
 
Merci de ne pas vous lasser de répéter les mêmes choses avec les débutants, je comprends que ce soit pénible et agaçant...
Je lis et relis vos tomes traduit en Français de l'Onde et y découvre toujours de nouvelles choses et la compréhension se perfectionne...
Merci pour tous vos efforts...

Thank you not get tired of repeating the same things with beginners, I understand that it is painful and annoying ...
I read and reread your volumes translated into French of The Wave and always discover new things there and understanding is perfected ...
Thank you for all your efforts ...
 
Many thanks for this session, it really was an interesting read. Glad you guys escaped the negative forces in Prague!

The message at the end brought up strange emotions! Almost a relief, and a reality check for things to come...
 
zak said:
I found a ISOTM's passage talking about Knowledge and Number,
the page 44 to the 47
www.gurdjieff.am/in-search/index.pdf
Knowledge is material. There is a definite quantity of it in a given place at a given time. Taken in a large quantity by "one" man, it produces very good results; taken in a small quantity by a large number of people, it gives "no results" at all.
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And as Laura said (I think in the knowledge and being videos) we're now due a massive "influx of information". So, in terms of thing getting worse and more people walking into the light with blinded eyes, I think there's going to be plenty of information to go around!
 
Laura said:
(Pierre) When they say it's amazing what a few aware people can do, does it mean that there are a lot of positive forces around here, but there's not enough connectors? See what I mean? What is lacking is not higher positive forces, but aware people who can transduce them if it is awareness that makes the difference...

(L) Is that the case? There is plenty of positive force in the cosmos, but there just aren't enough people working on being awake and aware and following their instincts and letting the universe guide and drive and develop for all this to manifest?

A: Yes
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Great session, very motivating and uplifting!
 
Good session! Certainly wasn't expecting that topic. It reminds me of the book, "Darkness over Tibet," where the man understood he was being attacked energetically and stayed awake and the efforts backfired against those attacking him. I wonder how many persons on this planet go to the effort that Vincent Bridges did to accumulate that type of energy. You don't hear about it too often.

Now it seems like a waiting game for the economies to start imploding, and global weather is getting crazier. Interesting times ahead that's for sure. Keep up the good work!
 
Just a thought regarding finding ways to "spread the word" and keep the Cs messages accessible to others; it certainly is difficult, dangerous, as well as not externally considerate, to try to insert into conversation that Earth is actually owned and controlled by evil, hyper-dimensional overlords, who eat our energy a la The Matrix, and that comets and mass extinction are on our doorsteps. Oh, and by the way, your religion is nothing but a farcical, mind-control program!

But, it occurred to me that almost everyone has had a personal encounter with someone who is far enough along on the Psychopath continuum to be memorable. Most everyone has suffer to some extent from an encounter with a psychopath of some kind, or knows someone who has. In the proper setting, disclosing some of one's own experience and escape of the manipulations of a psychopath may be an appropriate ice-breaker and a way to introduce the topic of psychopathy in general. This may provide openings that lead to pointing out psychopathy's increasing negative influence on culture, politics, economics, the world, ETC!!! Whether they realize it or not, almost everyone has been harmed by Psychopathy some how, and many may be willing, and glad to have someone to discuss it with.

Or not! But where so much about hyper- dimensional reality is inaccessible for most people, the presence of psychopaths, and the fact that most of what is wrong with the way the world is today can be attributed to them, this is a message that we may have more success sharing.

Of course, informing someone about the prevalence of psychopaths amongst us still needs to be done in a way that is tactful and externally considerate. I just think it is an enormously important topic that can be more successfully spread to the masses than can much of the knowledge of the objective reality of the matrix we really live in. In addition to recommending books by Hare, Stout, etc., Defence Against the Psychopath: A Brief Introduction to Human Predators from the book The Art of Urban Survival, by Stefan Versstappen, is a short accessible book to share with others.
shellycheval
 
shellycheval said:
Just a thought regarding finding ways to "spread the word" and keep the Cs messages accessible to others; it certainly is difficult, dangerous, as well as not externally considerate, to try to insert into conversation that Earth is actually owned and controlled by evil, hyper-dimensional overlords, who eat our energy a la The Matrix, and that comets and mass extinction are on our doorsteps. Oh, and by the way, your religion is nothing but a farcical, mind-control program!

But, it occurred to me that almost everyone has had a personal encounter with someone who is far enough along on the Psychopath continuum to be memorable. Most everyone has suffer to some extent from an encounter with a psychopath of some kind, or knows someone who has. In the proper setting, disclosing some of one's own experience and escape of the manipulations of a psychopath may be an appropriate ice-breaker and a way to introduce the topic of psychopathy in general. This may provide openings that lead to pointing out psychopathy's increasing negative influence on culture, politics, economics, the world, ETC!!! Whether they realize it or not, almost everyone has been harmed by Psychopathy some how, and many may be willing, and glad to have someone to discuss it with.

Or not! But where so much about hyper- dimensional reality is inaccessible for most people, the presence of psychopaths, and the fact that most of what is wrong with the way the world is today can be attributed to them, this is a message that we may have more success sharing.

Of course, informing someone about the prevalence of psychopaths amongst us still needs to be done in a way that is tactful and externally considerate. I just think it is an enormously important topic that can be more successfully spread to the masses than can much of the knowledge of the objective reality of the matrix we really live in. In addition to recommending books by Hare, Stout, etc., Defence Against the Psychopath: A Brief Introduction to Human Predators from the book The Art of Urban Survival, by Stefan Versstappen, is a short accessible book to share with others.
shellycheval
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I agree, the message is there, if someone wants to find it they will. I found the material like any other lesson by accident, never anticipated it I just went for it.

The idea of psychopaths seem great to me, I thing is has been SOTT approach on things. But... yes but, the idea that most of our problems at social levels are because of psychopaths is debatable. They have a brutal pathological effect, but if they are like 5% and changed the world in this way, it makes me question the will of humanity. How could 5% control things? where is the other 95%? I have read Andrew's book and still it makes the question more important. Yeah, there is religion, which is a cunning way to program people, but still there is a deep relation from what I see between the chosen beliefs, the will of the person, and their nature. Why we prefer to wait for a messiah? a christ? The town wants only good food and party, but hey, if things go wrong is all fault of the psychopaths.

Maybe an approach that makes people understand psychopaths are dangerous, but that they still hold a little bit of responsability on who they let go through the door, that they are responsible too if they don't put attention on their life. I have met victims of psychopaths, but not all of the ones I have met are victims, some of them might not have any point of access to understand the picture of a psychopath, it may be seen as a fable for some.
 
In response to shelleycheval:

I've had a couple of cool experiences this week. When I eat my meals at home, I sit in the dining room and watch RT news. Well, the other day I came downstairs and as I was heading into the kitchen, I noticed that my housemates had RT on in the living room :) It's not something they usually watch; I guess it's because they've heared me watching it.

Then, while I'm working away on a weekend, me and my bandmates stay in a mobile home. I tend to be the first to wake, and again, I usually put on RT while having breakfast, before we leave to go to the next gig. Well, yesterday afternoon, when we got to the caravan, my bandmate said to me, "what's the news station you watch?" So I told him and he put it on and started watching it :)

I guess my point is, it's great if we find ourselves in a situation where we feel it might be appropriate to talk about psychopathy etc., but this week has shown me that just doing what I can for myself everyday can have effects on others that I never even considered!

Being the change you want to see in the world...?
 
Prometeo said:
The idea of psychopaths seem great to me, I thing is has been SOTT approach on things. But... yes but, the idea that most of our problems at social levels are because of psychopaths is debatable. They have a brutal pathological effect, but if they are like 5% and changed the world in this way, it makes me question the will of humanity. How could 5% control things? where is the other 95%? I have read Andrew's book and still it makes the question more important. Yeah, there is religion, which is a cunning way to program people, but still there is a deep relation from what I see between the chosen beliefs, the will of the person, and their nature. Why we prefer to wait for a messiah? a christ? The town wants only good food and party, but hey, if things go wrong is all fault of the psychopaths.
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I think part of it has to do with people that need to have an "authority" tell them what to do, a la Bob Altemeyer's The Authoritarians. From his website:


(Home Page Preface Written in 2006)

OK, what’s this book about? It’s about what’s happened to the American government lately. It’s about the disastrous decisions that government has made. It’s about the corruption that rotted the Congress. It’s about how traditional conservatism has nearly been destroyed by authoritarianism. It’s about how the “Religious Right” teamed up with amoral authoritarian leaders to push its un-democratic agenda onto the country. It’s about the United States standing at the crossroads as the next federal election approaches.

“Well,” you might be thinking, “I don’t believe any of this is true.” Or maybe, you’re thinking, “What else is new? I’ve believed this for years.” Why should a conservative, moderate, or liberal bother with this book? Why should any Republican, Independent, or Democrat click the “Whole Book” link on this page?

Because if you do, you’ll begin an easy-ride journey through some very relevant scientific studies I have done on authoritarian personalities--one that will take you a heck of a lot less time than the decades it took me. Those studies have a direct bearing on all the topics mentioned above. So if you think the first paragraph is a lot of hokum, or full of half-truths, I invite you to look at the research.

For example, take the following statement: “Once our government leaders and the authorities condemn the dangerous elements in our society, it will be the duty of every patriotic citizen to help stomp out the rot that is poisoning our country from within.” Sounds like something Hitler would say, right? Want to guess how many politicians, how many lawmakers in the United States agreed with it? Want to guess what they had in common?

Or how about a government program that persecutes political parties, or minorities, or journalists the authorities do not like, by putting them in jail, even torturing and killing them. Nobody would approve of that, right? Guess again.

Don’t think for a minute this doesn’t concern you personally. Let me ask you, as we’re passing the time here, how many ordinary people do you think an evil authority would have to order to kill you before he found someone who would, unjustly, out of sheer obedience, just because the authority said to? What sort of person is most likely to follow such an order? What kind of official is most likely to give that order, if it suited his purposes? Look at what experiments tell us, as I did.

If, on the other hand, you’re way ahead of me, and believe the extreme right-wing elements in America are poised to take it over, permanently, I think you can still get a lot from this book. The studies explain so much about these people. Yes, the research shows they are very aggressive, but why are they so hostile? Yes, experiments show they are almost totally uninfluenced by reasoning and evidence, but why are they so dogmatic? Yes, studies show the Religious Right has more than its fair share of hypocrites, from top to bottom; but why are they two-faced, and how come one face never notices the other? Yes, their leaders can give the flimsiest of excuses and even outright lies about things they’ve done wrong, but why do the rank and file believe them? What happens when authoritarian followers find the authoritarian leaders they crave and start marching together?

I think you’ll find this book “explains a lot.” Many scattered impressions about the enemies of freedom and equality become solidified by science and coherently connected here.
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It's a super interesting read and I think it does explain a lot. A lot of these people aren't necessarily psychopaths, but will do what one says just because they are in a position of authority. Now if we were to take it the other way, if they had a good leader to look up to they would follow his example instead. Unfortunately in this power structure the guys at the top are pretty much all cold blooded murderers and because they are at the top, when they tell you it's for your own good they (the authoritarians) believe it, and propagate it!
 
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