Session 6 July 2024

[A Jay]

I asked my 3 children as well. Two of them visualize routinely and didn’t realize others couldn’t just as myself. One could not visualize. She realize this when she was three and was asked to count sheep to go to sleep. She was very upset she could not see the sheep. I postulate that all OPs cannot visualize. But, perhaps some souled individuals do not as well. Perhaps it’s not an either/or. My daughter who cannot visualize is one of the most empathetic people I’ve ever met in my life. I find it hard to believe she does not have a soul.

Before you go postulating, it would be good if you familiarized yourself with the work of Dr. Russell Hurlburt whose work I used as a reference for my questions and follow ups. We did a MindMatters show on YouTube not long ago going over some of his seven Psychology Today articles from 2011 and I gave some extra information taken from his book 'Investigating Pristine Inner Experience' where he discusses his work investigating people's inner experiences.

We had the pleasure of interviewing Dr. Hurlburt recently so we'll also have a new show up soon which goes over some of the questions asked during the session and in this thread. Keep an eye on the thread so you know when the latest episode drops. Better yet, subscribe to the channel and ring the bell so you're updated when it drops.

 

[Joan]

I remember something in the transcripts, that OP's (formerly 2D entities) were a a bridge of creation a transition into a 3D reality. How that came about or How it was achieved is obscure and much more information is required with input from the C's. Otherwise it becomes into a degenerated some sort of mind game.

I suspect some children just do not think in the perfect model of Western Society. I remember a documentary on the western indoctrination of Australian Aboriginals as they called at the time. From my recollections, they were given certain tasks of recognition. Almost all failed, but when asked about there surroundings, they could give exact memory recall surrounding vegetation. animals, environmental terrain. It brings up even greater questions, family relationships, how much of the child development has been used to foster the imagination of a child to build concepts and ideas. How much influence has the so called educational system, along with vax programs has benumbed creative mind of a child?

 

[Ricardo]

Thank you for posting this. Like you, I would admit that I am no expert when it comes to determining who may or may not be an OP. Also like you, I believe I may have married a low grade psychopath who in my case exhibited multiple personalities. Two things stood out for me and that was she never could accept any criticism of any kind and like Frank in the transcripts, she always had a down on her parents, blaming them for her predicament. I still get on well with my father in law, who once told me that he knew she badmouthed him and her mother claiming they treated her badly. If there was one thing he regretted though and that was he felt he and his wife had spoiled her too much (she was an only child). Things got so bad at one stage that our children almost got taken into care. I had to take advice from a lawyer to keep the local social services at bay, yet my wife remained oblivious to the dangers the children were in (there is a long history in this country of children who are taken into care being abused). At the end of the day, it was all about her and she always put herself first. Perhaps unlike your situation though, I still try to keep on good terms with my ex-wife, especially for the sake of my children, even though they are all adults now. However, in spite of the apparent amity, I always remain wary of her since she can be so unpredictable.

As to your dog, although I am not a dog person myself, I remember that when my uncle and godfather was dying at home from cancer, the family dog stayed under his bed the whole time and would not leave him. The dog was inconsolable when he died. There is no question that dogs and cats can pick up on their owner's emotions. In this regard, we should remember that the C's said cats and dogs were telepathic, which might account for this ability.​

And unlike op's , our companions can graduate.

 

[jcsmalz]

I see a lot of people fretting over identifying OP's. The fact is that nearly (if not) ALL OF US have the potential to be OP's in a way.

I surely wouldn't worry about whether or not your children are OP's. They're still forming and developing in so many ways... It reminds me of how the C's told Laura to keep the children out of the room and away from the board because the children are heavily susceptible to surrounding energies that may harm them or hurt their development.

Gurdjieff said that we aren't born with a soul but some, under certain conditions may have the possibility of GROWING a soul.

He also says that humans don't have the capacity to perfect their being to the point of being able to enter heaven nor hell. This jives with the 51% to be an STO and, was it 95% (?) to graduate to 4D STS as the C's have said.

It's important to remember that we are all STS here in 3rd density; where some of people can be STO candidates. It's a wonderful incentive to continue learning, remain vigilant and work on ourselves.

 

[Ricardo]

Your mixing stuff , what do you think " the dead burying the dead " refers to ? or " suffering the little children " (and there are many other examples in religious texts) , a potentialy souled can indeed live out as an op , and many have through the millennia, but this doesn't fit, to put it mildly , as for percentage of STS/STO , this is outside of an op's "existence".

 

[John G]

Before you go postulating, it would be good if you familiarized yourself with the work of Dr. Russell Hurlburt whose work I used as a reference for my questions and follow ups. We did a MindMatters show on YouTube not long ago going over some of his seven Psychology Today articles from 2011 and I gave some extra information taken from his book 'Investigating Pristine Inner Experience' where he discusses his work investigating people's inner experiences.

I like that personality modeling way to illustrate what's going. I could see it fitting with things I and my wife like to do to reset from our particular personalities' unhealthy side. That show opens a complicated discussion even by your show's standards.

 

[Marc Johanson]

Он также говорит, что люди не обладают способностью совершенствовать свое существо до такой степени, чтобы попасть в рай или ад. Это согласуется с 51% для того, чтобы стать СД, и 95% (?) для того, чтобы перейти в СС 4D, как сказали К.

I agree on this point, but with a caveat - unable to improve in one incarnation.

 

[MJF]

Your mixing stuff , what do you think " the dead burying the dead " refers to ? or " suffering the little children " (and there are many other examples in religious texts) , a potentialy souled can indeed live out as an op , and many have through the millennia, but this doesn't fit, to put it mildly , as for percentage of STS/STO , this is outside of an op's "existence".

Maybe there is some confusion here. I seem to recall that the C's said that roughly half the human population is comprised of souled beings whilst the other half are OPs. I could be wrong though. Although we may all be STS in this realm, all souled beings have the opportunity to be STO candidates. Moreover, I don't think the C's ever put a number on the STO harvest since it continues to remain open.​

 

[Ricardo]

Maybe there is some confusion here. I seem to recall that the C's said that roughly half the human population is comprised of souled beings whilst the other half are OPs. I could be wrong though. Although we may all be STS in this realm, all souled beings have the opportunity to be STO candidates. Moreover, I don't think the C's ever put a number on the STO harvest since it continues to remain open.​

As i recall reading it , 40% on either group, quick search on transcripts didn't yield the session it was mentioned in though.

Session 13 July 2002
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A: Pretty much. Most of them are very efficient machines. The ones that you have identified as psychopaths are "failures." The best ones cannot be discerned except by long and careful observation.
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[Wandering Star]

As i recall reading it , 40% on either group, quick search on transcripts didn't yield the session it was mentioned in though.

As far as I recall, that percentage does not exist in any of the C's texts or in Ra's material.

You can still take the blue pill and go back to the Matrix or try to be an STS candidate and fail, due to the high STS percentage you should achieve.

 

[jcsmalz]

Maybe there is some confusion here. I seem to recall that the C's said that roughly half the human population is comprised of souled beings whilst the other half are OPs. I could be wrong though. Although we may all be STS in this realm, all souled beings have the opportunity to be STO candidates. Moreover, I don't think the C's ever put a number on the STO harvest since it continues to remain open.​

Of course there is the possibility that every souled being may become an STO candidate however it seems unlikely that all of them will because of the nature of the matrix itself.

This is exactly what Gurdjieff meant when he said that we don't have the ability to perfect our being to the level required to enter heaven nor hell; Heaven being 4D STO and Hell being 4D STS.

The OP's have no chance because they have no soul. The souled beings have a very small chance because nature does not require that every man evolve and also because souled beings can only do so under the correct conditions. Often times these conditions happen accidently. The accidents provide shocks that give us a glimpse of wakefulness.

Here's the QFG synopsis on OP's

Organic Portals - Quantum Future Group

 

[Nienna]

If you are discussing the percentage of OPs in the population, both MJF and Wandering Star is correct. From what I could tell there is no percentage as such. What was said in this session does discuss it a bit:

Q: (L) The question came up about the remark as to the numbers of OPs and you said something about encountering half as many OP's as souled humans. It was pointed out that, in mathematical terms, that would work out to encountering or interacting with more souled humans than OPs. So, you said the population was evenly distributed, when you say the population was evenly distributed does that mean that there are half organic portals and half souled humans, more or less?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So when you say encountering 'half as many,' what does that mean?

A: It means that "souls" run in families for the most part. Thus a souled, and we mean "potentially fully souled, individual is likely to encounter and interact more with other souled humans. However, when awakening, they may encounter even more OP's.

Q: (L) So they tend to run in families so they can have aberrations. Or a family that's mostly OP's could have an occasional souled human, which they don't know what to do with. And, in the same way, a family of mostly souled people could have an occasional OP, or a line of them that pops up in the family every now and then. But for the most part, people with souls marry people with souls unless there is some danger of them awakening in which case there's special situation where they insert OP's into their lives. But I would say that in a general sense what they're saying, and y'all can correct me if I'm wrong here, is that, what, water seeks its own level, so to speak.

A: More or less.

 

[Ruth]

And unlike op's , our companions can graduate.

Some will 'graduate' to ops. I sometimes wonder if they ever think, subconsiously, that their life was better as 2D? Maybe, because being human can be complicated and difficult. If they were a cat in their previous life, all they might've been required to do is sit on someone's lap, purr, ask for food, to be brushed, and annoy other cats and the family dog. Simple.

 

[portobello]

I don't buy it. They say 2029, but who knows when "damage occurring simultaneously at a large number of locations” will conveniently happen.

Schneider was pretty emphatic about 2029 too.

 

[iamthatis]

Schneider was pretty emphatic about 2029 too.

Can you say a bit about who Schneider is and what he says about 2029?