Session 6 July 2024

Q: (L) Okay. Now, you made a remark about the diet that is normal for the human being. And I know {name redacted} and a lot of people - not just {name redacted}, but a lot of people - have a problem with a diet that requires you to consume the flesh of other creatures. And I know that we've read what Lierre Keith has written about it, and it's a very moving statement about life and earth and so on and so forth. But I'd like to know if there's something a little more esoteric that we could understand about this? I mean, I don't understand why and how a person can achieve spiritual growth, which is what you seem to be implying throughout all of this stuff that we've been learning, from eating meat. How many other groups have taken a vegetarian pathway and said that this is... I mean, aside from the fact that we now know that agriculture and vegetables and the owning of the land is pure STS destruction... What about fruit? Well of course they didn't have fruit then. Like everybody, I'm having a little problem with this. So can you help me out here?

A: You know the saying: Only through the shedding of blood is there remission of sins?

Q: (L) Yes.

A: And what about: Take eat, this is my body?

Q: (L) Yes.

A: And: Take, drink, this is my blood?

Q: (L) Yes. (Burma) So it sounds like they're saying that there's a hidden thing in the whole resurrection or salvation by the blood thing. That agriculture is evil and we could return by going on an animal-based diet?

A: No not exactly. When humankind "fell" into gross matter, a way was needed to return. This way simply is a manifestation of the natural laws. Consciousness must "eat" also. This is a natural function of the life giving nature of the environment in balance. The Earth is the Great Mother who gives her body, literally, in the form of creatures with a certain level of consciousness for the sustenance of her children of the cosmos. This is the original meaning of those sayings.

Q: (L) So, eating flesh also means eating consciousness which accumulates, I'm assuming is what is being implied here, or what feeds our consciousness so that it grows in step with our bodies? Is that close?

A: Close enough.

Q: (Ailen) And when you eat veggies you're basically eating a much lower level of consciousness. (L) Not only that, but in a sense you're rejecting the gift and you're not feeding consciousness. And that means that all eating of meat should be a sacrament.

A: Yes

Session 20 August 2011

So, eating meat can also feed our consciousness, which is a way out of gross matter. And the food has some kind of consciousness which can be transferred, or added, to our consciousness. And that could be the missing factor in the dead food in animal experiments. So we need to learn how to best preserve this consciousness factor in our food. Naturally, animals eat fresh grass or raw meat. But we usually process our food, so the consciousness factor is probably lost in many cases because we don't know how to handle it properly.
 
So, eating meat can also feed our consciousness, which is a way out of gross matter. And the food has some kind of consciousness which can be transferred, or added, to our consciousness. And that could be the missing factor in the dead food in animal experiments. So we need to learn how to best preserve this consciousness factor in our food. Naturally, animals eat fresh grass or raw meat. But we usually process our food, so the consciousness factor is probably lost in many cases because we don't know how to handle it properly.

Another thought is that many cultures pray in thanks for everything they harvest - not just the animals, but also plants, the firewood, the stones they use. Every thing is considered to be a god, or a 'consciousness factor', or one of the Faces of God, etc.

Given what we know of FRV, the human voice, intent, and gratitude - particularly in Emoto's work on the structure of water - the vibration of thanksgiving undoubtedly does something important, and maybe opens a path for this consciousness factor to make some real change in our food.

So maybe one aspect of proper handling would mean approaching the flesh we eat with the understanding of the Spirit behind it. In practical terms, saying grace at every meal may be worthwhile.
 
Given what we know of FRV, the human voice, intent, and gratitude - particularly in Emoto's work on the structure of water - the vibration of thanksgiving undoubtedly does something important, and maybe opens a path for this consciousness factor to make some real change in our food.

So maybe one aspect of proper handling would mean approaching the flesh we eat with the understanding of the Spirit behind it. In practical terms, saying grace at every meal may be worthwhile.

I think that saying grace at a meal could perhaps change the way that we receive the consciousness factor in the food, but only if that consciousness factor is already present in the food. If it is not present, saying grace won't change that fact.

Another thought is that many cultures pray in thanks for everything they harvest - not just the animals, but also plants, the firewood, the stones they use. Every thing is considered to be a god, or a 'consciousness factor', or one of the Faces of God, etc.

I was talking with one person about that today, in relation to machines. He said that it often happened to him that if he gives his machine to somebody, that machine quickly malfunctions. It's like he made a connection with the machine and the machine won't work properly if somebody else is using it.
 
I think that saying grace at a meal could perhaps change the way that we receive the consciousness factor in the food, but only if that consciousness factor is already present in the food. If it is not present, saying grace won't change that fact.



I was talking with one person about that today, in relation to machines. He said that it often happened to him that if he gives his machine to somebody, that machine quickly malfunctions. It's like he made a connection with the machine and the machine won't work properly if somebody else is using it.

Maybe it has something to with the omega-3 content in fresh grass vs. dry grass? From what I understand, when a cow eats grass, they transform ALA into our good friends EPA and DHA. The less ALA in the feed, the less is available for conversion into the good fats.

There is a paper here that may provide some insight, but it's behind a paywall. Looks interesting, though.


Forages, through the amount and composition of their fatty acids (FA), and because they represent a major part of ruminant diets, can help improve the nutritional quality of milk and meat. However, no comprehensive dataset is available to estimate fat and FA content and composition of forages. This study used the available data on fat and FA content and composition of forages to (i) compute mean composition values for the main forages, and (ii) estimate the influence of forage conservation, cultivation and harvest conditions on fat and FA content and composition. We report mean values for the main forage species in the form of fresh forage, silage or hay.

The main factor influencing fat and FA composition was vegetation stage of forage at harvest (estimated by the month of harvest or regrowth interval). Compared with fresh forage at harvest, wilting or drying forages (especially in bad drying conditions) altered their FA, whereas unwilted silage, the use of ensiling additives and N fertilization had only minor effects. The differences between grass (except corn) and legume species were lower than those induced by vegetation stage and wilting or drying. We gave equations to estimate the effects of these factors and thus refine the estimation of the FA content and composition of the forages. Total FA content and proportion of linolenic acid were positively related to crude protein, and negatively related to fiber content of the forages.

Introduction

Forages form a major part of dairy cows’ diets in most farming systems, and sometimes contain significant amounts of fat and polyunsatured fatty acids (FA). Diets based on pasture and grass silage can thus improve the nutritional quality of milk and meat by shifting their FA composition toward less saturated FA and more polyunsatured FA, especially omega-3 FA (Dewhurst et al., 2006).

For example, these diets can provide milk that is as rich in linolenic acid (C18:3 n-3) as linseed-supplemented diets and lower in trans-FA (Dewhurst et al., 2006, Chilliard et al., 2007). Several empirical models have been developed to describe relationships between dietary FA and FA digestion (Glasser et al., 2008b, Schmidely et al., 2008) or milk FA composition (Glasser et al., 2008a).

To optimize diet composition for a target milk FA composition, we need to know the FA content and composition of the dietary feedstuffs. Mean values for fat content and FA composition of concentrate feedstuffs (cereals, oilseeds and their products) are available in feed tables (e.g. Sauvant et al., 2004). However, to the best of our knowledge, no quantitative analysis of a comprehensive dataset is available for forages, despite a significant number of publications dedicated to the FA composition of forages, or simply reporting FA composition of some forages used in experiments. The nature and composition of forages influence FA metabolism in the rumen (Buccioni et al., 2012); it is thus of interest to study the factors that modify FA in forages. Fuller knowledge of the factors that influence the FA content and composition of forages could help farmers to optimize cultivation and harvest conditions and thereby improve the quality of their forages (Khan et al., 2012).

This study uses the available data for fat and FA content and composition of forages to (i) compute mean composition values for the main forages and (ii) estimate the influence of forage conservation, cultivation and harvest conditions on fat and FA content and composition.

This would be getting at things from a materialist perspective. Providing certain feed does result in a change in the information content of the meat, in the form of a change in fatty acids. But we already knew that, I think.

I wonder if your question has more to do with the mysterious possibility that there is a hyperdimensional correspondent to these changes in matter when considering fresh vs. dry? Or maybe something more qualitative than quantitative?

There's this from the Tao:

76.
A human body is weak and pliable at birth, and is stiff and hard at death.
Grass and trees are tender and soft at birth, and are dry and brittle at death.
Therefore,
The hard and strong belong to the company of death;
The soft and weak belong to the company of life.
It follows then:
A strong army is destined to be destroyed;
A hard wood tree is doomed to be broken.
The hard and strong are in an inferior position,
The soft and weak are in a superior position.

Maybe there is just more 'life force' in the fresh grass, which is then transferred to the cow, which is then transferred to the person?
 
Saying thanks when eating is practiced by at least a portion of the Japanese folks, indeed something i've taken up on doing for quite a few years now , think i read something from "mr Cayce" regarding this, for example to never eat in a bad mood , since it impacts the human body greatly ( specifically the glands /hormone system , but its been a while YMMV), but there is other work from other good folk that pretty much points in same direction .
 
Saying thanks when eating is practiced by at least a portion of the Japanese folks, indeed something i've taken up on doing for quite a few years now , think i read something from "mr Cayce" regarding this, for example to never eat in a bad mood , since it impacts the human body greatly ( specifically the glands /hormone system , but its been a while YMMV), but there is other work from other good folk that pretty much points in same direction .
I have also come to this conclusion thanks to the work of my personal little tyrant, who makes a special effort to ensure that meals take place in a bad environment, making everyone angry.
 
Maybe it has something to with the omega-3 content in fresh grass vs. dry grass? From what I understand, when a cow eats grass, they transform ALA into our good friends EPA and DHA. The less ALA in the feed, the less is available for conversion into the good fats.

A lot of things are lost in dry grass. Omega-3, carotene, chlorophyll, vitamin C... And all of them are important for the health of animals. But when the scientist were giving them to animals, together with dried grass, there was still something else that was lost that couldn't be explained by the scientists.

This would be getting at things from a materialist perspective. Providing certain feed does result in a change in the information content of the meat, in the form of a change in fatty acids. But we already knew that, I think.

I wonder if your question has more to do with the mysterious possibility that there is a hyperdimensional correspondent to these changes in matter when considering fresh vs. dry? Or maybe something more qualitative than quantitative?

Yes, a hyperdimensional factor which still follows some materialistic rules. Probably because in our world it is bound to material things.
 
A bit more thought on this. You may want to read a thread that discusses this starting here.

Hi Nienna, thank you for your post. I fully agree. Like MJF, I agree with Laura’s analysis. Correct interpretation is paramount.

Regarding Clif High -- (please note that he has chosen to spell his on-line name thus, so any mistaken rendering of his name as “Cliff” will result in confusion and failed searches) -- internet data mining, its analysis and attempting to forecast future (non-specific) events from such analyses is just one of his hobbies. For me, I have given little credence to his forecasts. I haven’t found them especially helpful.

However, he has many other subjects of special interest to him that he has been happy to put up on BitChute, here. His didactic talks to camera, often using a whiteboard, are candid, outspoken and anti-globalist; delivered in earthy and sometimes ripe language.

I warmed to him. I don’t agree with all his deductions. He may have joined up some his dots differently to me, and to us on the Forum, but he’s a big-picture man, as I am. I think his heart is in the right place, and I think he may perhaps even be a candidate for 4th density himself. Being something of an autodidact, he has acquired a great deal of knowledge, in various fields.

He’s a very interesting character. To learn more of him, here is a short bio and interview of him by Reiner Fuellmich in 2023:

https://icic.law/2023/09/17/clif-hi...fe-consciousness-and-the-enemies-of-humanity/

His special interest in ancient languages, and what can then be inferred regarding distortions in the official narrative of humankind’s post-Younger-Dryas history, are of particular interest to me.

MJF asked: "Have you got his take on this, as I would love to see it?"

I have gone through all of Clif’s videos on BitChute, from the latest, back to a time before I first encountered him, but I couldn’t find the one I particularly wanted to show you. He doesn’t have a searchable database as we do, and his videos are unhelpfully labelled. Nevertheless, here are two videos that lend support to what you said, that If the C's are right, then the Jews have been unwittingly worshipping Lizard beings masquerading as God since the inception of their faith.

The first, from April 2022. Relevant subject matter starts around 21:50, ends ~ 42:00. Clif starts by forecasting a crisis of faith among the Abrahamic religions when (if) the true origins of their faiths are revealed to be the documented accounts of human tribes living under the dominance of ‘space aliens’ as Clif puts it. The video makes notable mention of a book called The Naked Bible, by Mauro Biglino. I bought and read it. Recommended.

dojo->faith

The second, from November 2022. Relevant stuff from ~ 15.07 to ~ 44.30. Clif starts by saying that we are all now at war, an information war. This section deals briefly with ancient human history, or a reinterpretation of it.

World War WEF
 
Thank you for your hard work and generosity in providing another 'nourishing' session. The members comments are also appreciated. I was thinking about the C's encouragement of networking groups, and questions about how a minority of people discussing these topics could possibly have an effect on the world at large. The difference between incoherent light and coherent light came to mind. With incoherent light the individual photons are scattering in random directions unrelated to each other, whereas with coherent light all the photons are moving in sync. Coherent light is also known as laser light. Things are possible with laser light that are 'magical' and impossible with incoherent light, from cutting through steel to the production of holographic displays and images. As an analogy one could think of the photons of light as people. The uncomprehending populations are like incoherent light with each person (photon) moving along her/his own path without much reference to the paths of others, and easy prey to the STS group who have maintained a persistent laser like focus and commitment to their agendas. Perhaps, as one aspect only, networking related to these sessions is a form of cohering the truth aligned thoughts and intentions of a group of people such that their combined 'sync' effect can have an STO laser influence far in excess of what those same people could have if they were isolated from each other, an influence that can help to 'level the playing field' against the STS influences. Fighting laser with laser, so to speak, to borrow from Star Wars.
 
Hello, did you know that chatGPT has the transcripts of the sessions uploaded? It can be used to summarize conversations. I am attaching an interesting chat, except that it is in Spanish. Maybe you can translate it.

 

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Hello, did you know that chatGPT has the transcripts of the sessions uploaded? It can be used to summarize conversations. I am attaching an interesting chat, except that it is in Spanish. Maybe you can translate it.

My Spanish is barely conversational, but it looks like a basic explanation of STO vs STS as described on the site.
 
My Spanish is barely conversational, but it looks like a basic explanation of STO vs STS as described on the site.
I would say that the context and specific wording of all questions to the C's is so important to understand that most if not all AI implementations are worthless in any attempt to summarize the C's. Especially ChatGPT

AI summarizes what it has been fed.
 
I would say that the context and specific wording of all questions to the C's is so important to understand that most if not all AI implementations are worthless in any attempt to summarize the C's. Especially ChatGPT

AI summarizes what it has been fed.
Understood. I was just trying to give a rough idea until someone fluent could provide a more accurate translation.🙂
 
I would say that the context and specific wording of all questions to the C's is so important to understand that most if not all AI implementations are worthless in any attempt to summarize the C's. Especially ChatGPT

AI summarizes what it has been fed.
Sorry, English is not my native language, instead of summaries I meant queries from past sessions!
 

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