Session 7 May 2016

[SeekinTruth]

Thanks for the update on the crystals, Psalm modification, and singing decisions, Laura. Hopefully you and the ladies helping will have some fun in the process and the workload can be lightened thereby somewhat. Just wanted to state the huge gratitude, once more, for all you all are doing. :)

 

[Lee.T]

Thanks Laura and Chateau Crew for another amazing session. Crystals have always fascinated me, spending so much time in shops touching and picking the right ones. Stones too, I come back from walks with pocket fulls. I have crystals too in copper vessels with water in. I could send a bunch over to you guys as i do have quiet a lot if you in need of more.

 

[Yas]

Thank you for another great session! This one was quite long so a special thanks for the speedy transcription and the effort of everyone involved!

It appears more clearer with every session recently that EVERYTHING we do, take in, and give out in our daily lives needs to happen much more consciously
and on a deeper level than was sufficient when we were first learning to connect and live at a higher level. I have known this intellectually/mentally for a long time
but lately I am realizing it on a deeper feeling level. The intensity has increased, positive as well as negative, and there can be "no more turning away."

FWIW, I have similar feelings lately.

Me too, it seems like life is on steroids and everything seems to be more intense, which makes a ground for learning too if we do our best to be aware and pay attention.

I'm not sure about it being too dangerous, maybe more like mind melding is unlikely to occur without true understanding of the other and self. Of course there is always the possibility that one can receive mental harm from another, but that already occurs without mind melding. This is something were knowledge will protect, and I do agree that much knowledge must be gained before attempting this. Just my opinion though, could be wrong.

Yes, I guess it's more of a natural process and nothing that can/should be forced - I just mentioned it because in Star Trek, mind melding is done rather randomly, and sometimes even forced. As I understand it, this is not the way it works - but then again, I don't know very much about such things :)

I also thought that it is more of a natural process. If there is love and pure intentions without anticipation, it is possible that this can happen as natural outcome of that loving and connection, but it isn't something that can be forced. Of course, you can try to force it but the result will probably be the opposite of mind melding through love... OSIT.

I wonder about dream work - my problem with this is most of the time I don't remember any dreams at all, apart from the odd super-dramatic one, or occasional weekends where I can sleep in for longer. Are there any suggestions to help with this? Could those stones actually help?

The stones might help, but I think people are not really understanding the point of 'dream work'. It isn't necessarily to have great dreams and dream recall, the MAIN point is to focus on an issue you want to resolve and to write about it consistently and repeatedly in your journal before sleep and simply have the intent of working it out during sleep (in fact, the intent part isn't even necessary because the writing IS the intent).

The process does not require that you recall a dream that gives you the answer, because what you will find is that the act of thinking about and ESPECIALLY writing about your issue/problem before sleep will in and of itself help you to resolve the issue in real time. The answer might come to you the next day, or (more likely I think) you will find that your problem resolves itself naturally. It depends on what the issue is. This has been my experience of it anyway.

Writing the above reminded me of the joke about a person asking god repeatedly to let him win the lottery. After storming heaven many times, 'god' finally responds by asking him if he would be so kind as to first buy a ticket.

LOL! Thanks for the post Joe. I was wondering about what would be a good way to do some more dream work since I've been having dreams that seem a bit too obvious in symbols, yet, I'm not being able to link them to my daily life in a more tangible way, so to say.

I thought of doing something similar to what you suggest but also thought it didn't work because I don't wake up with an answer . I guess this is related to having faith in the process and being open in the sense of understanding that "answers" may come in a myriad of ways that we don't expect, maybe in subtle things we experience or even more explicit events in our lives. If we are anticipating that the answers should come in just one way (e.g. through dreams), we are closed to other channels of communication with "God" or the divinity.

Yesterday, I was kind of asking of guidance and I realized that my asking was more of a demanding, and I thought "who am I to demand? I will not demand and mainly ask the divine to act through me so that I can do what is natural to me while I become the best "vessel" I can be", so to say. I don't know if this is right, but it felt like it was a better approach.

 

[Divide by Zero]

SNIP

I can see where that empty space, though smaller than it was in those days, could provide the higher mind a focal point, as the conscious mind is captivated with the square wave musical input. The brain perceives much faster than the digital bit rate. Perhaps we can 'see' through the millisecond windows in digital sound.

There is no square wave, especially at the medium and low frequencies. Sample rate is typically 44,100 hz (48,000 for movies). The highest frequencies of 16,000-20,000 hz are sampled at 2-3 times per wave, at normal notes much more than that. The speaker /amp itself, due to inaccuracy and inductance, smooths that wave out. Square waves are distinct, and even then, your analog magnets in the speaker cannot truly put out a square wave!

 

[kanader]

[quote author= Bo]Thanks a lot Laura for all of your hard work on this!

Sadly I won't be able to request a crystal since I don't know my official birthday, but will donate for the cause!

:( If possible I think the C’s should help out with the exact date.

Birth dates are required ONLY for people requesting a special healing crystal. So there's no reason Bo can't have a crystal or two.
[/quote]

Is it possible to request a crystal for our children ? My little one has sometimes bad dreams (she is 8yo, and keep coming for time to time in our bedroom at night) and she strongly believe in her dreamcatcher that she request that another one be placed by her grandmother house for her when she is there on visit...
Not knowing how many crystals are actually available there for all forum members, maybe one for the room/house is enough in this case ?

Thank you again for your hard work Laura, you and the girls have all my gratitude.


Regarding the dream work, what Joe wrote make a lot of sense...While at same time, got me a little bit confused. Please bare with me.

I use to have a dream journal, decade ago, after my mom suggested that I should write them down for further study. I can't even remember where I kept them... For the last couple of years, I usually keep a tape recorder close to me bed in order to record my dreams. Never had the chance to use it, for various reasons. Because I forgot the dream upon awakening or some program in me coupled with laziness just made forget about the whole process...
Two day ago, after reading the dream work topic (Thanks again for the link Gaby) I've decide to give it a try by following the different steps provided.
Well, that same night I had 2 vivid dreams (curiously the 1st one being more vivid that the 2nd, maybe because of the persons and impressions involved ?).
I first woke up close to 2 O'clock (something unusual for me, being one of those who always sleep through the night). It took me a few second to realize were I was. The dream was more then vivid! and the impression I felt upon waking up was the reason why I felt so disoriented. I took the pen and paper and went to the bathroom (didn't want to wake my wife) to write everything down. It took me a while to sleep again... The second dream ended with my alarm clock at 6.30 (maybe that's another reason I have more vivid memory of the first ?).

That night, my intent was to have my dream vivid as possible in order to remember much as possible. I did ask, and I was served !

Now if what Joe said is the correct approach to the dream work, that one should focus on one issue BEFORE the sleep and have the intent of working it out during sleep, does that mean that unconsciously (or rather consciously), we dream about unsolved issues that we have BEFORE going to sleep and that all that is needed, in order to interpret the dream, is to retrieve the intent ? I don't know if a made myself clear here...

 

[Deleted member 4320]

A: Mind melding is possible for those who love.

We got a "mind melding" (it can be received as the direct hint to the telepathy, just simple). "Mind melding", also, lead us to the Star Trek's Vulcans (who are symbol of the logic and intellect overcoming emotions, and finally, we have suggestion, that the whole thing will be working/it will be possible, if we match it with love.

In the other occassions, C's gave us the informations, that the love is merely the "knowledge" or that we need develop consciousness and conscience.

All this above, lead us, to the possible conclusion, that the main things, in which people can grow is knowledge, logic and highly moral attitude.

In the process of synthesis, those three things connect themselves, in the peculiar way, such that we can get the impression, that each of one depend on themselves.

Let say about morality. What is moral in one culture or group is not moral in other, and some question may appear: what is the way to adjudge of what behaviour and decisions are positive or not?

Well, the one way to this is, is collect the full picture of the historical evidence to make possible to observe results and outthrusting conclusions of what elements bring to those observed results/effects. Finally, if we have that full picture and we draw logic conclusions, then it give us basis to determine to what is the morality and also build our objective consciousness.

The other way, for example, can be mathematics and/or physics. The mathematics on her advanced level can be very abstract. By the proficiency, in the art of maths, we can achieve the level to decode how the universe works and after modification of the information, we can extract the pattern, thanks to them (if that knowledge will be applied, at the practical level) we can come up by our demeanour and the way of the organizing the environment, to build the connection to the higher level of being.

At the end, in order to, don't make this post to lenght, two things:

- the intellectuality on the high level open the doors to the real spirituality

- the best example, to picture the level, which individual should work on, in order to, expand as the human (3D) being, is to be like (create the imagination of) Mr. Spock with the great empathy: logic and love. What, is the first step, to the spirituality and to manage the "hierarchy" from physicality/emotions over intellect/spirituality state to intellectual/spirituality over physicality/emotions state.

Have a nice May day. Bye

 

[Christine]

I wonder about dream work - my problem with this is most of the time I don't remember any dreams at all, apart from the odd super-dramatic one, or occasional weekends where I can sleep in for longer. Are there any suggestions to help with this? Could those stones actually help?

The stones might help, but I think people are not really understanding the point of 'dream work'. It isn't necessarily to have great dreams and dream recall, the MAIN point is to focus on an issue you want to resolve and to write about it consistently and repeatedly in your journal before sleep and simply have the intent of working it out during sleep (in fact, the intent part isn't even necessary because the writing IS the intent).

The process does not require that you recall a dream that gives you the answer, because what you will find is that the act of thinking about and ESPECIALLY writing about your issue/problem before sleep will in and of itself help you to resolve the issue in real time. The answer might come to you the next day, or (more likely I think) you will find that your problem resolves itself naturally. It depends on what the issue is. This has been my experience of it anyway.

Writing the above reminded me of the joke about a person asking god repeatedly to let him win the lottery. After storming heaven many times, 'god' finally responds by asking him if he would be so kind as to first buy a ticket.

I am also in the same situation, I rarely remember my dreams, when I have a question or problem that bother me I ask the cosmic mind before falling asleep and the answer comes very rarely in my dreams but more often on the forum.

 

[Windmill knight]

I'm not sure about it being too dangerous, maybe more like mind melding is unlikely to occur without true understanding of the other and self. Of course there is always the possibility that one can receive mental harm from another, but that already occurs without mind melding. This is something were knowledge will protect, and I do agree that much knowledge must be gained before attempting this. Just my opinion though, could be wrong.

Yes, I guess it's more of a natural process and nothing that can/should be forced - I just mentioned it because in Star Trek, mind melding is done rather randomly, and sometimes even forced. As I understand it, this is not the way it works - but then again, I don't know very much about such things :)

I also thought that it is more of a natural process. If there is love and pure intentions without anticipation, it is possible that this can happen as natural outcome of that loving and connection, but it isn't something that can be forced. Of course, you can try to force it but the result will probably be the opposite of mind melding through love... OSIT.

Ruppert Sheldrake has pointed out that telepathy occurs between people and/or animals who have some sort of emotional bond, and I have observed that it is with those who one feels closer to with whom you get most often the "I was thinking the same thing!" phenomenon - and I don't think it is just because we've learned to think in similar patterns. So it makes sense to me that a higher version of this mental connection is available for those who truly love each other, and yes, that it would happen as part of a natural process. Now imagine the possibilites if this took place among the members of a 'tribal unit'...

 

[Galaxia2002]

I thought of doing something similar to what you suggest but also thought it didn't work because I don't wake up with an answer . I guess this is related to having faith in the process and being open in the sense of understanding that "answers" may come in a myriad of ways that we don't expect, maybe in subtle things we experience or even more explicit events in our lives. If we are anticipating that the answers should come in just one way (e.g. through dreams), we are closed to other channels of communication with "God" or the divinity.

Yesterday, I was kind of asking of guidance and I realized that my asking was more of a demanding, and I thought "who am I to demand? I will not demand and mainly ask the divine to act through me so that I can do what is natural to me while I become the best "vessel" I can be", so to say. I don't know if this is right, but it felt like it was a better approach.

I think that a more complete approach to the dream work should include the work in the way Joe described it and also trying to interpret dreams. This are two faces of the dream work that can each one bring solutions and new information. I think that there could be confusion regards the style of dream work Joe was talking about because gurdjieff said that there is no work if there is no awareness. But in a sense there is a conscious work because you are doing an intent and you are awake of the mechanisms of the adaptative unconscious and have the knowledge that if you access that part of the mind, issues can be resolt easier or in another level, besides the you are preparing a part of the mind to be "vigilant" during the process. So it is not a completely "unconscious" work in my opinion.

 

[Christine]

I'm not sure about it being too dangerous, maybe more like mind melding is unlikely to occur without true understanding of the other and self. Of course there is always the possibility that one can receive mental harm from another, but that already occurs without mind melding. This is something were knowledge will protect, and I do agree that much knowledge must be gained before attempting this. Just my opinion though, could be wrong.

Yes, I guess it's more of a natural process and nothing that can/should be forced - I just mentioned it because in Star Trek, mind melding is done rather randomly, and sometimes even forced. As I understand it, this is not the way it works - but then again, I don't know very much about such things :)

I also thought that it is more of a natural process. If there is love and pure intentions without anticipation, it is possible that this can happen as natural outcome of that loving and connection, but it isn't something that can be forced. Of course, you can try to force it but the result will probably be the opposite of mind melding through love... OSIT.

Ruppert Sheldrake has pointed out that telepathy occurs between people and/or animals who have some sort of emotional bond, and I have observed that it is with those who one feels closer to with whom you get most often the "I was thinking the same thing!" phenomenon - and I don't think it is just because we've learned to think in similar patterns. So it makes sense to me that a higher version of this mental connection is available for those who truly love each other, and yes, that it would happen as part of a natural process. Now imagine the possibilites if this took place among the members of a 'tribal unit'...

Windmill knight
I agree with you, I life with my children and the cat I had.

 

[Carl]

The stones might help, but I think people are not really understanding the point of 'dream work'. It isn't necessarily to have great dreams and dream recall, the MAIN point is to focus on an issue you want to resolve and to write about it consistently and repeatedly in your journal before sleep and simply have the intent of working it out during sleep (in fact, the intent part isn't even necessary because the writing IS the intent).

The process does not require that you recall a dream that gives you the answer, because what you will find is that the act of thinking about and ESPECIALLY writing about your issue/problem before sleep will in and of itself help you to resolve the issue in real time. The answer might come to you the next day, or (more likely I think) you will find that your problem resolves itself naturally. It depends on what the issue is. This has been my experience of it anyway.

Writing the above reminded me of the joke about a person asking god repeatedly to let him win the lottery. After storming heaven many times, 'god' finally responds by asking him if he would be so kind as to first buy a ticket.

Thanks a lot Joe - I also had that feeling when I was thinking about starting journalling again, which I haven't done in a while. Like, I can't really complain about where the car is going if I am not even making an effort to take hold of the steering wheel.

I tried exactly what you described above last night and ended up having a dream about visiting a place but staying too long - by the time I came to leave, Israeli soldiers had taken over the place and set up checkpoints not letting any of us out.

So I reckon the journalling and intent does something for sure. Time to make it a habit.

 

[Ca.]

Thank you for another excellent session. Always appreciated.

 

[observer]

Q: (Ark) I will use this opportunity to ask this question because we are talking about this information and morphogenetic fields. The concept of information, there are many approaches and definitions. Usually it all starts with Mr. Shannon who invented the concept of information just for coding letters and transmitting through the telegraph. I don't think it's the right kind of information for description of life. And then there is quantum information nowadays which is used for building quantum computers, which is probably also away from the phenomenon of life. So, I would like to have some HINT of which kind of information - philosophically speaking, or mathematically speaking, or generally - that I should look at so that I don't spend unnecessary time learning things that are not useful for life. I want to understand life and organization.

(L) So what are the options? What's your question?

(Ark) Hints? Where to look for the literature because there was Mr. Shannon, there was these people linking information to probability, people linking information to entropy, and so on. What would be the first letter of the name of the author that I should search?

A: F

Q: [laughter] (Pierre) You can ask for the second letter...

A: I

Fibonacci ?

 

[goyacobol]

The answer may come symbolically in a dream or as an idea or an opportunity while we are awake. The cosmic mind is constantly signalling us something, we just need to tune in and follow our intuition.

Here are some interesting cases regarding dreams being the source of inspirations:

http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/10-dreams-that-changed-the-course-of-human-history.html

I would be careful with Einstein's stories. (He was quite the plagiarist in real life.) And I would add Tesla to the list of those who were truly inspired by dreams.

FWIW.

sitting,

That was a really an interesting link on dreams. I was glad to see it included the dream of "Elias Howe: The Eye of The Needle". I was thinking of that dream before I read the article illustrating the symbolic value of dreams. His dream had natives with "warriors carried spears that were pierced near the head.". The spears with pierced holes/slots gave him the idea for needles with slots for the thread and then he invented the sewing machine.

All these tools like crystals and dreams seem to be important. Thanks for the link.

 

[goyacobol]

Q: (Ark) I will use this opportunity to ask this question because we are talking about this information and morphogenetic fields. The concept of information, there are many approaches and definitions. Usually it all starts with Mr. Shannon who invented the concept of information just for coding letters and transmitting through the telegraph. I don't think it's the right kind of information for description of life. And then there is quantum information nowadays which is used for building quantum computers, which is probably also away from the phenomenon of life. So, I would like to have some HINT of which kind of information - philosophically speaking, or mathematically speaking, or generally - that I should look at so that I don't spend unnecessary time learning things that are not useful for life. I want to understand life and organization.

(L) So what are the options? What's your question?

(Ark) Hints? Where to look for the literature because there was Mr. Shannon, there was these people linking information to probability, people linking information to entropy, and so on. What would be the first letter of the name of the author that I should search?

A: F

Q: [laughter] (Pierre) You can ask for the second letter...

A: I

Fibonacci ?

observer,

Yes, Fibonacci, see the previous comment by Laura. You don't seem to be very observant for some reason.