Show #15: No Ordinary Inside Job: The 9/11 Psy-Ops

Guardian said:
Well it wouldn't upset me if I didn't care a LOT about you guys.



That feeling comes through, and is exceedingly commendable. I'm now actually a bit sorry, as I was the one who suggested you read her book.

At the end of the day, regardless of how rigorous a scientific procedure, it ultimately comes down to belief. This case is no exception. Your belief is strong. And I detect an element of intuition as well. These are things I understand...and can certainly respect. You have no problem with me.
 
Seraphina said:
Exactly, I was thinking the same thing. My husband wears steel toe boots. It is quite possible to melt the exterior of the shoe without melting the steel, and these shoes are also insulated on the inside.

Yup. I had to look and evidently they don't make the liners for Firefighters boots out of asbestos anymore (shows my age), now they use ceramic.

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/2096170392345648196?q=Protective%20boots%20high%20heat%20Fire%20fighters&sa=X&ei=sk2NUeSTEOfO0QGIjIGIBg&sqi=2&ved=0CIcBEMATMAk

"High-performance composite penetration-resistant insole is made from multiple layers of HT ceramic material - like ballistic armor for your feet. Far more flexible than a steel plate and doesn't transmit heat or cold"

Now if ignorant 'ol me can find a reason the Fireman's feet didn't melt, you'd think someone with a PhD could too?
 
Guardian said:
Well, you're calling it "objective date" when the woman clearly stated in the interview that she discounted any data (like the thermal images, witness reports, etc.) that did not agree with her theory. How exactly is that "objective data"?

I'm talking about archive photographs, that she didn't take. Unless you're going to claim they're photoshopped, then they constitute interesting evidence for me.
 
Perceval said:
I'm talking about archive photographs, that she didn't take. Unless you're going to claim they're photoshopped, then they constitute interesting evidence for me.

I'm saying that because she is a liar and a disinfo agent (which I believe to be true due to her own words and actions) you can't trust a single photo in her book without looking for the original.

Because she cherry picks her "evidence" you have no way of knowing the photo wasn't photo-shopped, taken out of context, etc. ...unless you find the original.

It's like the boot thing. Firefighters don't fight fires in flip flops, so she should go look at what they do wear before she starts making outrageous claims.
 
Guardian said:
If I didn't like you, I'd be happy to see you get screwed by associating yourselves with Wood.

Guardian, how many people are we "associated" with to the extent that we could be *objectively* accused of anything as a result of that "association"? As has already been mentioned, our policy has always been to evaluate the information provided by a person or researcher or whatever and give our opinion on that rather than align ourselves with the person. As has also already been mentioned, we're not really interested in Wood's theorizing, we're interested in the body of objective material she has collected. That material is not hers and never was.
 
Perceval said:
we're not really interested in Wood's theorizing, we're interested in the body of objective material she has collected.

You mean like her "proof" that the Fireman should have had "horrible" injuries to their feet?
 
Guardian said:
Pashalis said:
She has not "discounted any data" in the interview

Yes she did, when she said the thermal image data was faked. She discounted the witness testimony too, and the records of the tons of steel that was hauled away. She also said that she is the ONLY person with the correct theory about what happened to the buildings.

Point 1: She hasn't said nore has she implied that the thermal image data was faked neither in the SOTT interview nor in her book. Point 2: She didn't discounted any witness testimony in the SOTT interview and in the book either. Point 3: And she didn't discounted tons of steel that was hauled away neither in the SOTT interview nor in the book (In this case she is simply stating that this "tons of steel that was hauled away to China" is a rumor and simply that, with no objective data that would proof that). And point 4: Seems actually true if we talk about what happened physically in New York on 9 11.

What did she actually say about those points in the SOTT interview:
(http://www.sott.net/article/261575-SOTT-Talk-Radio-No-Ordinary-Inside-Job-The-9-11-Psy-Ops)

Point 1: She is actually not saying anything like you are accusing her of doing and nore does she in the book.

Point 2: She is not discounting any witness testimony in the whole interview as well as in the book. What she is saying is that a witness testimony has to be looked at carefully because people easily assume things that might not be the way they think they are.

Point 3: At 00:46:53 she is saying "As well as just making assumptions like steel boots melted [Impling that it was heat that caused this] or all steel shipped to china..."

Point 4: At 00:19:50 - 00:20:07 she is saying "It might sound a bit odd and self-serving, but it is not. My book is the only determination of what happened, that is out there in the puplic domain..." And if we assume that she is refering to what happened physically in New York on 9 11 then she is most likely right about that (And I think we can savely assume that she is refering to exactly that and nothing else). Or pretty close.

And I've not come across any interview, presentation or thing on her website that would suggest anything of those first three points you are accusing her of doing in the above either. And the 4 point seems to be true. Or closer then any other work I have come across. And by the way she is adressing all three of those points in great detail in the book.

Can you please point out where she said anything like what you are accusing her of doing in those first three points above?

So how exactly have you come to those conclusions? Where did she say or wrote about that?
Can you see, that you might imagine things into her words and research that aren't there, because you don't understand the material wich is explained in great detail in her book?
Again if you actually would read the book and build a actual foundation of understanding of what she and we are talking about, some things might finally make sense to you.

And by the way, every single picture and data in the book has a reference to it. That means you can actually look any photo or data she is covering in the book up for yourself. That speaks against, that she photoshopped ore faked anything in there FWIW. And when she is saying, demonstrating or calculating something in the book she is actually explaining in great detail how she has come to any given explanation. She made it pretty easy, so that anyone can follow her and research and calculate those thing for yourself.

Can you point out to us if you found anything she photoshopped?
 
Wasn't someone transcribing that interview? I REALLY don't want to sit through listening to that harpy again.
 
Guardian said:
Perceval said:
we're not really interested in Wood's theorizing, we're interested in the body of objective material she has collected.

You mean like her "proof" that the Fireman should have had "horrible" injuries to their feet?

That wasn't a "proof" of anything. It was an observation.
 
Guardian said:
Wasn't someone transcribing that interview? I REALLY don't want to sit through listening to that harpy again.

Well you see, I actually did take the time and have listened to the whole part she was on again so that you can see that you make whole lot of assumption here of wich some if not many are wrong. All to point out the obvious to you: That you make a whole lot of assumptions wich aren't true and would clear up if you actually would get over your burnt in belief of what you are thinking she is describing or saying either in the interview or in the book.
 
Lisa Guliani said:
I wonder - and please forgive me if this is out of line, as I am not trying to be disrespectul, but the question occurred to me - if Jay Weidner or Victor Thorn or Vinnie Bridges wrote a fabulous book that aligned with and supported your own theories, would you have any of them on the show and promote them?

No, because we know, from long experience, that those people are BS artists. It seems that, because of who those people are, they would never write such a book.

Lisa Guliani said:
I just hope you won't come to regret promoting this person - because that's really what it boils down to - down the line.

We're not promoting Wood. In fact, we're criticizing her, which is fair enough but not something to dwell on once we've more or less got the measure of her. We're simply saying that the data in her book is interesting and worth considering.

Lisa Guliani said:
What was said on that show was a clear endorsement of both her book and of her. You really cannot separate the two.

Well the show is one thing, but I think that our after show analysis here has added a lot to the picture. Basically, we find serious problems with Wood and her followers as individuals, but we still think the information she has collected is worthy of investigation.

Lisa Guliani said:
I had a very bad feeling about doing this show prior to doing it. And I was right to be disturbed because I've watched her over the years.

Well, she didn't really do anything particularly evil on the show, other than act like a bit of a nut.

Lisa Guliani said:
Some things take a little longer for us to see clearly. This applies to me as well.
Please don't take my words as some kind of slap. I love you all, respect you highly and hope you know that.
I'm just troubled about this. If I've been out of line, please forgive me.

Well, you shouldn't be worried. You ARE a bit more emotionally involved because of your personal experience with Wood, and that's totally understandable, but it can also color your view of anything that emanates from that person. I know that one well enough.
 
Pashalis said:
Well you see, I actually did take the time and have listened to the whole part she was on again

I've listened to it twice, and I think you're just hearing what you want to hear.

Again, wasn't someone actually making a transcript of the show?
 
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