Smoking is... good?

[Deleted member 8431]

Make sure if you're buying any premade cigarette that they do not have FSC near the barcode. If they do, they are 'fire safe cigarettes' and have nasty chemicals in the paper. Canadian Yuma pre-made cigarettes are FSC, so I'd avoid them, unless you empty the tobacco and use it to roll your own in clean paper.

Will check. I wasen't even aware that they made that on cigarettes themselves. Thought is was only a rolling-paper thing (slow-burning etc).

Thanks for the info.

As a side note, I am doing research for organic tobacco and came across the Canadian Lung Association. Just took a quick look at what they had to say about smoking here is what I found. "Tobacco is the only product in the world that kills half on the people who use it correctly" and then further down about organic tobacco "certain people smoke organic tobacco because they think it's safer which is not the case; you get the same hot, dirty and toxic smoke inside your lungs". Wow, this is such bad science. Reminds me of that "expert" who said a high-fat diet isn't good because eating lots of fats "dosen't taste good". Rediculous.

Peace.

 

[loreta]

Thanks Jaymark for the information. Wow. Cigarettes are very expensive in Canada. But you should look for Yuma, really. Or other brand that is safe.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Thanks Jaymark for the information. Wow. Cigarettes are very expensive in Canada. But you should look for Yuma, really. Or other brand that is safe.

Yes, they are. Taxes (direct and indirect) are high on them as well. Supposedly, in part, a "measure to discourage smokers". What a load of bull.

As far as Yuma is concerned, as anart said, I have to be careful with FSC's. If Yumas are indeed FSC, I might check for something else instead BUT in any case, I could always just empty the tobacco from them and roll them up in non-FSC rolling paper. Still an option.

Anyhow, I'm doing research now so I'll keep you updated when/if I find anything.

Peace.

 

[dant]

Or get a pipe!
Downside is pipes needs to be cleaned occasionally
and a bit bulky to carry around - but it is prominent!

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Or get a pipe!
Downside is pipes needs to be cleaned occasionally
and a bit bulky to carry around - but it is prominent!

Oh man, I can immagine myself sucking on a nice wooden pipe peacefully on a park bench while listening to the birds and looking at the sunshine thinking about Cassiopaean stuff. Kind of like Gandalf in the Lord of the Rings. "Humm, this is great herb".

Nah but seriously, I might get one just for the kicks someday and still rely on roll-ups for when I go to school or to work (more convenient). I now know a great pipe tobacco shop near here as a matter of fact, thank to this thread.

Peace.

 

[Maat]

Thanks Jaymark for the information. Wow. Cigarettes are very expensive in Canada. But you should look for Yuma, really. Or other brand that is safe.

Yes, they are. Taxes (direct and indirect) are high on them as well. Supposedly, in part, a "measure to discourage smokers". What a load of bull.

As far as Yuma is concerned, as anart said, I have to be careful with FSC's. If Yumas are indeed FSC, I might check for something else instead BUT in any case, I could always just empty the tobacco from them and roll them up in non-FSC rolling paper. Still an option.

Anyhow, I'm doing research now so I'll keep you updated when/if I find anything.

Peace.

When my husband lived near Montreal, he were going to the Indians to buy them cigarettes, a lot cheaper... but yes not allowed... and I dont know about the chemicals

 

[Deleted member 8431]

When my husband lived near Montreal, he were going to the Indians to buy them cigarettes, a lot cheaper... but yes not allowed... and I dont know about the chemicals

I already smoked these but their taste was mostly unbearable and they didn't satisfy me in terms of effects. So in other terms, too harsh in taste and too weak in effects at the same time (to my own preferences). Well enough to convince me to stay away.

Also, I highly doubt about the quality of their products. To sell bags (200 cigs) at a mere $10-$15 and still get rich out of it, one has to use pretty cheap tobacco, osit. Perhaps other companies' waste or something like that. It is not uncommon to find big pieces of branches in their cheap smokes which feels like smoking hay.

Anyhow, I do not trust their cigarettes at all. And since there is no way for me to determine their chemical composition (unless I invest hundreads if not thousands of dollars to get the analysis done), I prefer to trust my instinct here and try to find real good tobacco anyways, even if it's not as cheap money-wise.

A few years ago, taxes on cigarettes were lowered in order to "fight against illegal cigarette sales" (Natives) and then there's this so-called "expert" that came out of nowhere and said that "studies" had shown that a lowering of taxes on cigarettes made many non-smokers become occasionnal smokers - hence why we should raise them up even more instead. *Sigh*

 

[Mr. Premise]

JayMark, you should try ordering unprocessed whole leaf tobacco from www.wholeleaftobacco.com. They ship to Canada and the duty on whole leaf is only $1.57 per kg. The tobacco runs about $15 a pound on the average. Worst thing that happened to their Canadian customers is that customs sometimes holds on to the package for a few weeks. It's perfectly legal.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

JayMark, you should try ordering unprocessed whole leaf tobacco from www.wholeleaftobacco.com. They ship to Canada and the duty on whole leaf is only $1.57 per kg. The tobacco runs about $15 a pound on the average. Worst thing that happened to their Canadian customers is that customs sometimes holds on to the package for a few weeks. It's perfectly legal.

Just checked the website and it looks good. Clean and simple website, good prices and apparently 100% natural tobacco.

For $40 I can get the "cigarette sampler" which contains 3.25 lbs of 4 diffrent kinds of cigarette tobacco. They say it's good for over 2 cartons which would otherwise cost me $120 or so. So it might be worth the few extra dollars of shipping for sure.

Question though (couldn't find the anwser) do they only take credit card payments? Because I don't have one for the moment (and can't have). I would guess so since they can verify age as well...

Well, better buy some good cisors! ;)

Peace.

 

[loreta]

Now I am very lost. What is this FSC???? Is Yuma safe??? Do I have to buy my tobacco by Internet? I thought that Yuma was ok, I am wrong?

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Now I am very lost. What is this FSC???? Is Yuma safe??? Do I have to buy my tobacco by Internet? I thought that Yuma was ok, I am wrong?

FSC, as anart pointed out (thanks to her I didn't know) refers to "Fire Safe Cigarettes" or "Fire Safe Compliant" which means the paper obviously contain chemicals of some sort that act as fire inhibitors if you want, making the cigarettes extinguish faster thus reducing the possibility of accidental fires going on.

Many rolling papers, such as "slow-burning" ones (here we have Ziz-Zag, Rizla+ etc) work on the same principle. I can even clearly distinguish their chemical "metalic-like" taste as opposed to straight, regular papers. That taste was a big red flag to me even in the past and that's why I stopped using them at some point.

Apparently Yuma's pre-mades in Canada, as anart pointed out, are unfortunately FSC (as labeled on them). But it's a paper thing so we can always get the tobacco out and roll it in the paper of our choise (so Yuma would be safe). Not so much of a compromise for what chemicals we don't inhale, osit. For other countries I couldn't say though.

Don't worry loreta, we'll make it allright. There surely is some nice, organic tobacco somewhere waiting for us with nicotine molecules waiting to find their soul-mate-receptors within our brains. ;)

Peace.

 

[loreta]

Thanks JayMark, I will check my boxes of cigarettes to see if the have FSC's. I am thinking of smoking pipes but I don't find pipes anywhere! How strange not to find pipes, really. What a world.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

A FSC pack of cigarettes should be labeled as following:

And here is how it works:

Notice the bottom right corner. "Coalition for Fire Safe Cigarettes: the time is now".

There always seem to be a coalition behing those kinds of things. Why is this not surprizing?

Anyhow, hope it helps.

Peace.

 

[Foxx]

Question though (couldn't find the anwser) do they only take credit card payments? Because I don't have one for the moment (and can't have). I would guess so since they can verify age as well...

It looks like the only two order methods they accept are Paypal and printing and sending the order--I'm not sure if paypal has an age verification feature (it might) that they're using, but you can certainly use a bank checking account to pay with Paypal, if you've never used it before. You can also use a debit card through Paypal, which I think may be a little safer than using your direct bank account, if you have a debit card. Either way, there shouldn't be any problem trying to order.

Many rolling papers, such as "slow-burning" ones (here we have Ziz-Zag, Rizla+ etc) work on the same principle. I can even clearly distinguish their chemical "metalic-like" taste as opposed to straight, regular papers. That taste was a big red flag to me even in the past and that's why I stopped using them at some point.

I've been using these if you're not aware of them:

http://www.amazon.com/RAW-Unbleached-Organic-Cigarette-Rolling/dp/B002MZ1BU4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1352723032&sr=8-2&keywords=raw+organic

They're pretty nice, though sometimes the gum on them doesn't adhere very well, and I'd recommend them. $1/pack is highway robbery, though, but if you look at one of the sellers with a really cheap price, but charges for shipping, then you can get more packs with a fixed shipping rate and lower the cost per pack. FWIW.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

It looks like the only two order methods they accept are Paypal and printing and sending the order--I'm not sure if paypal has an age verification feature (it might) that they're using, but you can certainly use a bank checking account to pay with Paypal, if you've never used it before. You can also use a debit card through Paypal, which I think may be a little safer than using your direct bank account, if you have a debit card. Either way, there shouldn't be any problem trying to order.

Will check this Paypal thing. I mean, I know what it basically is but I didn't realise I could use my debit card through it. Time for me to register in the case I need anything actually.

I've been using these if you're not aware of them:

http://www.amazon.com/RAW-Unbleached-Organic-Cigarette-Rolling/dp/B002MZ1BU4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1352723032&sr=8-2&keywords=raw+organic

They're pretty nice, though sometimes the gum on them doesn't adhere very well, and I'd recommend them. $1/pack is highway robbery, though, but if you look at one of the sellers with a really cheap price, but charges for shipping, then you can get more packs with a fixed shipping rate and lower the cost per pack. FWIW.

Nice! Organic hemp paper. Sounds natural enough.

Thanks a bunch for the infos!

Peace.