Smoking is... good?

[LQB]

Such pressure around the smoking issue. As kids (3 of us) we pressured mom and dad to quit smoking. So they quit under this pressure which was just the pressure imposed by school acting through us. We even extorted cash from dad for every cig he admitted to smoking. Luckily it didn't last long and a few years later we were all smoking.

 

[Alana]

Luckily it didn't last long and a few years later we were all smoking.

Funny you mention that, because i remember now how me and my brother tried to get our parents to quit smoking as kids. But we were very young at the time, no still in school, so it wasn't coming from some kind of programming as much. Of what i recall, we didn't like the smell. But luckily as you say, they didn't listen to us and continued to smoke, and so did/do we

 

[LQB]

Luckily it didn't last long and a few years later we were all smoking.

Funny you mention that, because i remember now how me and my brother tried to get our parents to quit smoking as kids. But we were very young at the time, no still in school, so it wasn't coming from some kind of programming as much. Of what i recall, we didn't like the smell. But luckily as you say, they didn't listen to us and continued to smoke, and so did/do we

We were in junior and senior high school and parents had smoked since birth of the eldest (me). Don't remember ever being bothered by the smoke. I do remember my first airline flight at a very young age - I insisted on getting a pack of the free cigs passed out to passengers. But, alas, I was not allowed to light up.

 

[Piotrek]

I was wondering: how does one verify genetic predisposition to smoking (i.e. whether one should start smoking)?

For example:

Ark had to actually "work" to start smoking

I don't smoke myself but don't mind second-hand smoke.
Thanks,
P

 

[dant]

Please read the entire post from the beginning.
There are copious info here as to whether or not
smoking is for you.

As for the comment about Ark, simply said,
Ark had to work hard to keep the smoking
the habit going, and later on, he found out
that he can stop smoking at any time. OSIT.

If you want to test this for yourself, you can try
smoking for awhile, and if you find later in time
that you can stop smoking 'cold-turkey', then
perhaps smoking is not for you?

FWIW,
Dan

 

[rawtruth]

DNA microassay study finds cigarettes full of disease causing bacteria:

http://www.examiner.com/health-and-happiness-in-charlotte/new-discovery-shows-cigarettes-full-of-disease-causing-bacteria

http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info:doi/10.1289/ehp.0901201


This study showed that a healthy lung had hundreds of species in it, but a COPD lung was almost entirely populated by Pseudomonas:

http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/content/citation/181/1_MeetingAbstracts/A5628


It has also been verified that Ulcerative colitis and irritable bowel patients exhibit distinct abnormalities of the gut microbiota:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-230X/10/134


This new book, recently published by the J. Craig Venter Institute (which cracked the human genome), "brings a new perspective by combining the information gained from the human genome with that derived from parallel metagenomic studies, and new results from investigating the effects of these microbes on the host immune system."

http://www.springer.com/life+sciences/ecology/book/978-1-4419-7088-6

This chapter in the book on so-called "autoimmune" diseases presents an entirely new paradigm in the understanding and treatment of chronic inflammatory disease:

http://autoimmunityresearch.org/preprints/Proal_MHB_Chapter_preprint.pdf


This recently published paper goes into more detail on the immuno-stimulatory aspects of the therapy:

http://autoimmunityresearch.org/preprints/Proal2010CellularMolecularImmunologyPreprint.pdf


For more, see: http://mpkb.org/

 

[anart]

Apologies, rawtruth, but I'm having difficulty following you. What is your point? Are the studies you've posted regarding natural tobacco or industrial tobacco (The difference is crucial)? In short - an explanation on your part would have been externally considerate.

 

[Juba]

Hi folks,

What do you think about: Mac Baren pipe tobacco.?

more on: http://www.mac-baren-info.com/Default.aspx?ID=386

I tried their: Original Choice tobacco, didn't taste like fabric tobacco (heavy lungs, irritation in the throat, morning after coughing, chemical taste in smoke and on tongue, awful smell while smoking...) actually smells very nice and, it is more like mild slow processed tobacco, nice taste, searched on their web page for trace of additional unwanted chemicals, found only natural aroma processing, but you newer know...,... Anyone knows more about this brand??

 

[Keit]

Hi folks,

What do you think about: Mac Baren pipe tobacco.?

more on: http://www.mac-baren-info.com/Default.aspx?ID=386

I tried their: Original Choice tobacco, didn't taste like fabric tobacco (heavy lungs, irritation in the throat, morning after coughing, chemical taste in smoke and on tongue, awful smell while smoking...) actually smells very nice and, it is more like mild slow processed tobacco, nice taste, searched on their web page for trace of additional unwanted chemicals, found only natural aroma processing, but you newer know...,... Anyone knows more about this brand??

Don't know about their pipe tobacco, but there was a time (something like 3 years ago) when I was smoking their Original Choice rolling tobacco and really liked it. But recently tried to smoke it again (usually smoke only Golden Virginia) and it wasn't that good of an experience. I had irritation in the throat and mucus, and inhaling feeling was kind of harsh in comparison to GV. So don't know if it was just me or something has changed.

 

[rawtruth]

Apologies, rawtruth, but I'm having difficulty following you. What is your point? Are the studies you've posted regarding natural tobacco or industrial tobacco (The difference is crucial)? In short - an explanation on your part would have been externally considerate.

The studies were done on commercial varieties, i.e., the ones that 99% of people smoke. There are no studies I am aware of that compare the microbiome of commercial tobacco vs. natural tobacco products; the scientific study of the human metabolome is still in its infancy.

My point is that there is increasing evidence that it is the metagenome and the epigenome of the human body that is responsible for most chronic disease:

http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/evidence_bacteria

It is a demonstrated fact that 90% of the cells of the human body are bacterial rather than human:

http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/microbiota

My purpose in posting was to provide a heads-up for the potential for smoking to introduce unwanted, health-damaging microbes into the body. In particular, the fact that cigarettes contain significant quantities of Pseudomonas bacteria and that Pseudomonas takes over the lungs of a person with Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease should give pause for concern.

 

[Breo]

Hi folks,

What do you think about: Mac Baren pipe tobacco.?

more on: http://www.mac-baren-info.com/Default.aspx?ID=386

I tried their: Original Choice tobacco, didn't taste like fabric tobacco (heavy lungs, irritation in the throat, morning after coughing, chemical taste in smoke and on tongue, awful smell while smoking...) actually smells very nice and, it is more like mild slow processed tobacco, nice taste, searched on their web page for trace of additional unwanted chemicals, found only natural aroma processing, but you newer know...,... Anyone knows more about this brand??

I started with Mac Baren "Aromatic Choice" (pipe) and I am very happy with it. Smooth taste, no burning on the tongue or throat, very pleasant smell, that is also noticed by non smokers positively. In my tobacco shop they recommended this tobacco to me, when I searched for a natural tobacco without any additives or added flavour. But I did not find any published proof that the tabocco itself was grown organically....As you say, you never know. Besides, I really love smoking this tobacco. It has a "nourishing" effect on me (can´t find a better word.)

_http://www.mac-baren-info.com/Default.aspx?ID=474

 

[Juba]

Hi folks,

What do you think about: Mac Baren pipe tobacco.?

more on: http://www.mac-baren-info.com/Default.aspx?ID=386

I tried their: Original Choice tobacco, didn't taste like fabric tobacco (heavy lungs, irritation in the throat, morning after coughing, chemical taste in smoke and on tongue, awful smell while smoking...) actually smells very nice and, it is more like mild slow processed tobacco, nice taste, searched on their web page for trace of additional unwanted chemicals, found only natural aroma processing, but you newer know...,... Anyone knows more about this brand??

Don't know about their pipe tobacco, but there was a time (something like 3 years ago) when I was smoking their Original Choice rolling tobacco and really liked it. But recently tried to smoke it again (usually smoke only Golden Virginia) and it wasn't that good of an experience. I had irritation in the throat and mucus, and inhaling feeling was kind of harsh in comparison to GV. So don't know if it was just me or something has changed.

Seems, you are right, they did changed something in original formula of "Original Choice", as found on MB web page, that happened recently, as well, found on the MB forum references of the people who smoked old and new version of this tobacco product, seems like users liked the old product and taste much more, I don't know how the old kind was so I can't judge but this sounds a bit alarming, perhaps they did add something artificial and chemical after all, in new "Original Choice", thanks for posting. I could try Golden Virginia and see how I react on it ;).

 

[Juba]

Hi folks,

What do you think about: Mac Baren pipe tobacco.?

more on: http://www.mac-baren-info.com/Default.aspx?ID=386

I tried their: Original Choice tobacco, didn't taste like fabric tobacco (heavy lungs, irritation in the throat, morning after coughing, chemical taste in smoke and on tongue, awful smell while smoking...) actually smells very nice and, it is more like mild slow processed tobacco, nice taste, searched on their web page for trace of additional unwanted chemicals, found only natural aroma processing, but you newer know...,... Anyone knows more about this brand??

I started with Mac Baren "Aromatic Choice" (pipe) and I am very happy with it. Smooth taste, no burning on the tongue or throat, very pleasant smell, that is also noticed by non smokers positively. In my tobacco shop they recommended this tobacco to me, when I searched for a natural tobacco without any additives or added flavour. But I did not find any published proof that the tobacco itself was grown organically....As you say, you never know. Besides, I really love smoking this tobacco. It has a "nourishing" effect on me (can't find a better word.)

_http://www.mac-baren-info.com/Default.aspx?ID=474

Actually you describe it pretty nicely, it has same effect on me, usually I have immediate issues when smoking tobacco with additives chemical treatment like headaches and throat irritations, but it is pretty hard to say with these couple pipes I used this tobacco, well right now I'm out of organic tobacco and can't find Moods by Daneman in local stores, so I have pretty small choice at the moment...,....

 

[Cyre2067]

My purpose in posting was to provide a heads-up for the potential for smoking to introduce unwanted, health-damaging microbes into the body. In particular, the fact that cigarettes contain significant quantities of Pseudomonas bacteria and that Pseudomonas takes over the lungs of a person with Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease should give pause for concern.

Hey rawtruth, I think Anart's point is that we're well aware of the dangers posed by commercial tobacco and that most people here don't smoke your typical commercial cigarettes. There's a great deal of difference in terms of quality between different tobaccos, I smoke American Spirit, it's additive free and delicious. I doubt it's bacteria ridden either since bacterial growth tends to give off a very distinct odor.

Thanks for the links though, it is interesting reading.

 

[Divide by Zero]

My purpose in posting was to provide a heads-up for the potential for smoking to introduce unwanted, health-damaging microbes into the body. In particular, the fact that cigarettes contain significant quantities of Pseudomonas bacteria and that Pseudomonas takes over the lungs of a person with Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease should give pause for concern.

Hey rawtruth, I think Anart's point is that we're well aware of the dangers posed by commercial tobacco and that most people here don't smoke your typical commercial cigarettes. There's a great deal of difference in terms of quality between different tobaccos, I smoke American Spirit, it's additive free and delicious. I doubt it's bacteria ridden either since bacterial growth tends to give off a very distinct odor.

Thanks for the links though, it is interesting reading.

I am quite confused why the researchers are focusing on bacteria in tobacco. Hot smoke doesn't seem to be the optimal environment for bacteria to survive into the lungs, maybe Psyche can comment on this. Also, why is it new now... why would the DNA assay test find this now and no mention of it in the past when the article mentions they were using dishes with samples? I'm no doctor or biologist, but my blink of this article makes me feel doubtful.