Smoking is... good?

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I missed something. Maybe this is in a posting somewhere, or in a podcast I missed, but where is this concept that smoking does NOT turn your lungs black harden your arteries and give you cancer come from?

I'm really struggling with this idea because when I quit smoking (because it was way to expensive after all of the taxes on it in Canada) the phlegm cleared from my lungs and I could smell things again. These are actual, tangible health differences that I do not believe to be psychosomatic.

It's been over a year now since I quit and I REALLY miss it, and think about it ALL the time, but have been holding onto this idea that even if I could afford the habit it's bad for me. So please, tell me... do I have to find a different excuse?
 
Really think about why smoking is labelled as "bad".

If you think it is bad, if you believe all of the disinformation about smoking, then you will get sick from it. However, if you believe it is a good thing for you and do so in moderation, then it is fine.
 
I think the key is moderation ... anything is bad when taken to extremes ... one technically can poison themselves from things like vitamins. It's like drinking too for that matter, alcholol in forms that are closer in form to food - like beer and wine are very good in small doses with food, however if one drinks to get drunk all the time then their mind and liver pay the price. I think the ideal point for smoking is to smoke say about three cigarettes a day, however it is a hard point to stay at ... at least for me, but at that point there's no problem with one's sence of smell, or phlegm, and one still gets the cigarette buzz ... The other thing one has to consider is what they are smoking - it's not all tabacco ya know ... I don't think the additives they put in cigarettes are at all good ...
 
Hi Wrayer,

As odd as it might sound, there is a probability that one's blood type may be a factor in whether smoking natural tobacco is beneficial or neutral, or even detrimental. One thing that has been determined, beyond a reasonable doubt, is that 'commercial tobacco' - the big brands that are mass marketed - is laced with so many chemicals that they inflict very real, physiological damage with the chemicals alone. If you smoked anything other than natural tobacco, which is not the most readily available, then your body may have been reacting to the chemicals used to manufacture the tobacco.

Basically, if your body reacted badly to smoking tobacco, then you should not smoke it. It does provide boosts in certain brain chemicals that are quite beneficial, but one should always try to listen to what their body is telling them, and if yours was saying "stop the tobacco", then it makes sense to do that. Again, it could be related to the type of tobacco you were smoking, to your blood type, or even to an allergy of some sort. It is very much an individual issue and paying attention to what is going on with your own body seems to be the key.
 
It is the Nicotine we want, not the smoke preciselly.
Smoking CAN kill you: Main brands have too many nocive substances on the tobacco they use, and some are not even tobacco anymore, like mentolated light cigarettes.
The challenge to find a clean tobacco brand has been addressed here, and one of the solutions to get nicotine (not to smoke), is to rol hand.
There are also patches, but some have other substances than Nicotine.
And then of course are the Cigars: This is the best option to get nicotine, since you do not draw. A good Cigar has tons of nicotine, and I have learned to enjoy this, to have a Cigar (even the ashes are enjoyable). Thing is, they are not cheap, so to have a Cigar is a treat for me, and I enjoy it lots.
It is not about smoking or not: It is about getting Nicotine. THEN comes the problematic to get it (once you understand what Nicotine does to your system), and the cheapest way is to smoke cigarettes.
Social pressure is a encouragment to belive smoking will kill you. If you help this pressure with your belief, then dont smoke.
But leave smokers alone. Some of us do not believe smoking kills, so we do it liberally, and guiltlessly.
See, on this you most know what you are doing and why. Get info. Then choose. Then act.
It is like wine: The treat you will become alcoholc is there, all the time, trying to stop you from having one or two wine cups a day.
So, after you have got a nice Cigar and 2 cups a day of wine.... can you tell a difference? Can you feel your system working more... efficently, or more obstructed?
 
highmystica said:
I think the key is moderation ... anything is bad when taken to extremes ... one technically can poison themselves from things like vitamins. It's like drinking too for that matter, alcholol in forms that are closer in form to food - like beer and wine are very good in small doses with food, however if one drinks to get drunk all the time then their mind and liver pay the price. I think the ideal point for smoking is to smoke say about three cigarettes a day, however it is a hard point to stay at ... at least for me, but at that point there's no problem with one's sence of smell, or phlegm, and one still gets the cigarette buzz ... The other thing one has to consider is what they are smoking - it's not all tabacco ya know ... I don't think the additives they put in cigarettes are at all good ...
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What I find fascinating about this thread is how I find I really have been relying on societal norms and labels to keep me safe.

For instance: I probably would have picked up a hardcore addiction to alcohol in my teens/early twenties if it had been acceptable to, say, walk around the streets with beer in your hand, drink in the morning, get drunk every day for a month, etc etc... I really had no restraint at all for a few summers there, but at least I would allow myself to sober up every 12 hours or so even on the most hardcore party weekends because I didn't want to "look like a loser".

But it's societal norms that screwed me with smoking. If you're a smoker, you smoke THROUGHOUT a day, not just at special moments like with a morning coffee or when you go out. The idea of smoking in moderation seemed absurd, something that "people don't do".

So hey, this is nice: I've discovered another way that my thinking's been influenced without my knowledge. Granted, in the case of alcohol, that probably SAVED my butt while I was busy being a moron otherwise... but now I can eyeball these thoughts purely as "local customs" rather than "actual wisdom" and make measured decisions accordingly.

Oh, and upon further reflection, I'm probably allergic to smoking anyhow... even 4 cigarettes a day kept me all phlegmy. I wonder if an allergy pill would do the trick... helps me with dust allergies...
 
sleepingboy said:
Hi

where can I get the info on the blood type relationship to smoking?
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Hi sleepingboy,

I don't currently know of any published work in the area of the relation of blood type to beneficial tobacco use. (Though, this doesn't mean there has been no research done in this area by the scientific/health community.) My statement above is based on largely antecdotal evidence and observation. There seems to be some evidence that type O blood gains more benefit from tobacco, as opposed type A or AB. Again, this is just from personal observation and from information I've gathered through friends. Considering that there seems to be very real differences in diet for the different blood types, it would not surprise me at all if there is also a correlation with tobacco.
 
Wrayer,

Anothering thing that I found is switching to organic cigarettes makes me feel much healithier. I used to smoke American Spirits and they are good because they don't have the additives and chemicals that most cigarettes do. However, I was still having phlegm issues with these. So, I switched to the organic American Spirits and I don't have anymore phlegm issues. Also, really watch what you eat too. If you eat a mainly alkaline diet (~ 75% vegetables and fruits), that should help too. If you eat too much grains and starches, that could be creating the phlegm. Just some thoughts. Experiment and see what works for you.
 
sinimat said:
Anothering thing that I found is switching to organic cigarettes makes me feel much healithier.
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I switched over too, and when I did, I also noticed a big difference for the better. The other thing that happened was I seemed to smoke less once I was on the organics, and nowadays I'm quite happy with about 5 a day.
 
Thanks Anart. You mentioned 3 blood groups except mine 'B'. :)
I will see if I can dig up something from the internet. I smoke Marlboro Red
sleepingboy
 
manitoban said:
sinimat said:
Anothering thing that I found is switching to organic cigarettes makes me feel much healithier.
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I switched over too, and when I did, I also noticed a big difference for the better. The other thing that happened was I seemed to smoke less once I was on the organics, and nowadays I'm quite happy with about 5 a day.
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I was actually quite disciplined before switching over, smoking about 3 a day. Since I switched, though, I've been smoking about twice that, around 5-6 a day, but I'm not even counting them now. They are just so good. I'm planning to discipline myself again and switch back to about 3 a day. Soon enough though.
 
Wrayer said:
Oh, and upon further reflection, I'm probably allergic to smoking anyhow... even 4 cigarettes a day kept me all phlegmy. I wonder if an allergy pill would do the trick... helps me with dust allergies...
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I typically smoke between 2 - 4 cigarettes a day, and I don't have any problems with phelgm etc, however IMO it's worth balancing out the smoking with weekly aerobic exercise of some description. Generally our bodies are pretty good at flushing out toxins provided we don't overload them and do the appropriate "maintenance" work.

If you are still having issues with phelgm even after cutting down to 4 cigs a day plus trying different types of cigarettes (organic etc), then you should consider that perhaps your body is telling you that cigarettes are not for you, and you should examine exactly WHY you have the cravings to smoke all the time - especially if you are a type that finds addictive binges of other things (eg alcohol) very pleasurable.
 
The powers that be probably play the game both ways. They encourage us to smoke through inticing ads and images. They also preach to us about the horrors of smoking and encourage a "holier" than thou attitude among those that don't smoke.

I personally found that there was no moderation possible when I smoked cigerettes. I had to smoke enough to bring my level of nicotine to the point that satisfied my cravings: about 2 packs a day. I was short of breath, my clothes and house smelled and I was unable to do many of the things I wanted that required better fitness. For me cigarette smoking was a very distructive habit that I am so glad I left behind more than 20 years ago.

I believe that we must look at the evidence and our own experience deeply and honestly. "Think with a hammer" applies to the decsions we make about everything we put into bodies.
 
Just check the C's transmissions with Laura about Diet and Health, and notice the mention of non-corrupted tobacco products which differ significantly from mass market cigarettes.
Here's the link:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/diet.htm
 
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