Smoking is... good?

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Like one of the post said on the Tucker Carlson thread, cannabis ends up amplifying the problems that someone starts using weed for to begin with where was tobacco/nicotine actually has benefits on cognition (and keeping STS aliens away, whoo!)

I think that there is something to be said about the responsible use of Cannabis for medical reasons and for a period of time, but if after a while the user sees that the effect on their symptoms is not what they wished for or only palliative, then there are many other plants that can be used for sleep problems. Also, CBD can be a good alternative to start with, and then slowly replace with herbs.

Herb-wise, off the top of my head, Passionflower, Skullcap, good old Chamomile, Lemon Balm, California Poppy, Kava Kava, Ashwagandha, Tulsi, etc are all good sleep-aids. Online you will find info about Valerian root too, and for the majority of people it works wonderfully. Unfortunately, for a small percentage it ends up causing the opposite effects, so use with caution.

Sleep IS very important, and if you go the herbal route, find a few herbs that work for you and use them in rotation, taking a couple of days off in the week so you can see if the effect is lasting and to take note of when it becomes lasting. You shouldn't be needing sleep-aids for ever. For sleep troubles, a cup of hot tea with honey within an hour before bed is the better use of the herb.

Of course there's also Melatonin, Magnesium, Tryptophan, Gaba, Theanine, Glycine as well, along with avoiding blue light at night and sunrise gazing in the morning, writing exercises and stress reduction techniques, that can support building healthy sleep patterns.

For cognitive enhancement, there's Rosemary, Sage, Gotu Kola, Gingko, Rhodiola, Reishi mushrooms, etc.

In the end, if you don't want to be smoking either cannabis or tobacco, you don't have to. Not all substances or herbs are good for everyone. There are many other ways to help you meet your goals but you have to be patient and try different things out and see how they work for you. A physical problem that has been present for years will take a while to resolve. And it often requires lifestyle changes along with the above-mentioned aids. Sorry this got so long, I hope it helps.
 
Has anyone tried going from weed to tobacco and have any advice or experiences to share? Let me explain.

I quit tobacco two years ago because it was an addiction and made me feel extremely sick + crappy. I was buying, although the highest quality, smokes from a convenience store. Not organic or hand rolled except for a short period of time.

I have noticed a lot of deep programming coming up anytime I read the c's and the forum talk about how smoking / nicotine is actually good for us and helping depending on the individual. and yet I hear in the back of my mind when I read the positive affects "lies!!'

Well, I've been using weed to cope- mostly for sleeping. Although, I've done inner work for 14+ - there's just been none stop traumatic events and plus knowing the true state of the world at a young age without proper support or network has caused a lot of evil terrifying visceral dreams causing me to have insomnia since I was a kid. I've tried to quit weed multiple times with varying results, I have never made it past 6 months because sleep has still not improved and the quality of life was declining. We need sleep!

I had a "random" thought pop into my brain today - what if I switched my weed habit for really good quality tobacco?

Like one of the post said on the Tucker Carlson thread, cannabis ends up amplifying the problems that someone starts using weed for to begin with where was tobacco/nicotine actually has benefits on cognition (and keeping STS aliens away, whoo!)

I'm nervous to try this though because I don't want to just switch one addiction for another without dealing with the root causes but I also do feel called to try something new while I'm still going deep to heal the roots.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a novice getting into smoking with my specific situation in mind? I know there's lots of great advice on the thread but I still feel called to ask.

Thanks in advance!
I never smoke weed. If you want to switch from weed to tabacco, then you have to find tabacco without any additional substances. You can use trial and error method. I first recomend to try cigarillos or cigar. You can buy cigar, squize cigar in your hand and made you own ciggarets or use pipe. You can also ask seller if he/she has cigarettes without additional substances.

Why weed is bad? Becouse it can change neural pathways. I believe also that astral beings like to posses people who smoke weed, but they don't like nicotine. Why, because incotine acts on prefrontal cortex, area of brain that is responsible for addiction and inresponsible behavior.

Nicotin is not a remedium for everything. But in most important cases, it can help when 4D STS, or astral beings, want to manipulate human behavior. There could be physical and astral viruses that infect human nervous system. Nicotin is well know ecological insectocid.

If you have problem with sleep, try to find out causes, instead eliminate symptoms. Do you have problem with sleep everyday or in other places when you out of home? Do you try to change sleep room? Does some specyfic people decrease your mood?

Many addictions have roots in emotional deficiencies. Sometimes people who fight addiction swich to other addiction, but don't solve the problem. Usually people fall into escapism becouse big trauma and they don't understand what is cause of the trauma. Sometimes going to the nature, and clearing the mind, and asking yourself, where is the root of my problem can't be helpfull. Also autotheraphy using books is good solution.

I sometimes use white tea that is reach in thiamine, to relax and go to sleep. Magnesium in mineral water or in banana is also good solution. Valerian can be addictive if use everyday. I recommend to use it only once in a while.
 
Are there still any Swedish brands that sell snus without additives and which are made from organic tobacco?
A post here from 2011 mentioned General Green Harvest, but it seems like this has been discontinued.
Would appreciate any info by the Swedish members here, since I find myself in Sweden right now and would like to give snus a try.
 
In the end, if you don't want to be smoking either cannabis or tobacco, you don't have to. Not all substances or herbs are good for everyone. There are many other ways to help you meet your goals but you have to be patient and try different things out and see how they work for you. A physical problem that has been present for years will take a while to resolve. And it often requires lifestyle changes along with the above-mentioned aids. Sorry this got so long, I hope it helps.
If you have problem with sleep, try to find out causes, instead eliminate symptoms. Do you have problem with sleep everyday or in other places when you out of home? Do you try to change sleep room? Does some specyfic people decrease your mood?
Thank you Alana and Neonix. Both of you have provided food for thoughts and some things to ponder.
I look forward to updating if I decide to go the nicotine root or not in my pursuit of becoming addiction free from cannabis.
I had to fight like hell to get off of cigs & vapes, so I worry about starting again because I don't want to go through that again.

I recognize I had an unhealthy relationship with nicotine as a way to cope and survive with my immense amount of trauma ( a lot of which has been healed, hence why I could finally quit nicotine. It's been 2+ years whoohoo!) and the only reason I am even considering smoking again is because I am curious about the experience with nicotine in a healthy way and the forum has GREAT things to say about it. I do appreciate the reminder Alana that not all herbs are for everyone and it doesn't make me any less than if I don't want to be consuming nicotine.

Again, both of you have made some great suggestions for me to try out and do some trail & error experimenting. A lot of the issue has to due with poor sleep quality due to unhealed trauma, so when that improves I'll share on a sleep thread or personal thread.

It may not seem like a lot but truly, I feel some things clicking in my brain when I reread both of your comments.
 
They are going to try to go after the nicotine in cigarettes in the United States in the closing month of the Biden administration. The 'devil' never sleeps...

FDA seeks to cut nicotine in cigarettes, tobacco stocks dip following NYT report

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The FDA has taken a step toward a major public health initiative by submitting a proposal to the Office of Management and Budget on Tuesday, the report noted. The proposal aims to lower the nicotine levels in traditional cigarettes to a minimal amount, a move that public health experts have long advocated for but has met with strong resistance from the tobacco industry.

Mitch Zeller, a former director of the FDA’s tobacco center, commented on the significance of the proposal, stating, "I think it’s a milestone in progress toward the single most game-changing tobacco regulatory policy, in terms of lives that could be saved, that FDA could ever do.”

The proposal's future, however, remains uncertain as it arrives during the final days of the current administration and ahead of President-elect Donald Trump's inauguration in January. The tobacco lobby, which has been a significant contributor to Mr. Trump's campaign, is likely to challenge the proposal. Notably, Reynolds American (NYSE:RAI) donated $8.5 million to Trump's main super PAC by late October.
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The FDA confirmed Wednesday that its proposed rule has been received by the White House. An agency spokesperson conveyed that if implemented, the rule "would be among the most impactful population-level actions in the history of U.S. tobacco-product regulation."
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Georgi Dinkov (haidut.me) [Ray Peat advocate] looks at the data around smoking

The benefits of smoking, if any, may be due to lowering endotoxin/estrogen, raising dopamine

haidut October 28, 2024 Posted inScience
I know the topic of smoking and drinking is controversial, and I hope that this post is not taken as an invitation to start puffing packs a day and downing pints of beer like water. Yet, there is something in the habits of extremely long-lived and healthy people that flies in the face of mainstream medicine and piques my curiosity. On one hand, there is strong evidence that chronic exposure to the aromatic hydrocarbons present in any smoke is carcinogenic, confirmed in many thousands of people who have worked in forest management (controlled fires), furnace/metallurgy workers, chimney sweepers, etc. On the other hand, the evidence for natural tobacco (no additives) smoking is a lot less convincing, even if we factor in the obvious ghostwriting and sponsored studies by the Big Tobacco companies questioning the dangers of smoking. There is also the curious fact that the World Health Organization (WHO) deliberately excludes countries with high tobacco consumption from its reports on cancers and longevity. For instance, not many people know that Caribbean countries, on average, have some of the highest tobacco (and alcohol) consumption per-capita in the world, yet have much lower rates of lung and other cancers, and also have some of the highest numbers of centenarians per-capita in the world. Other countries with a high number of centenarians also seem to have higher rates of smoking (and drinking). In addition, many of the world’s so-called super-centenarians were heavy smokers (and drinkers) throughout their lifetimes. Perhaps the most famous example is former UK Primer Minister Winston Churchill who was a heavy cigar smoker all his life, detested exercise, and was a heavy drinker as well, yet lived well into his nineties despite many of his relatives dying much younger (so genes were probably not a factor).

The secret of longevity may lie in long-lived smokers, a ‘biologically distinct’ group

Inside the live-longer isle: Why centenarians abound in Dominica

South African 'world's oldest man' wants to stop smoking

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/704080v3.full.pdf

“…The supposed enrichment for extreme-age survival in BZs is then subject to a host of secondary claims, each aimed at explaining the primary pattern of extraordinary longevity. Old-age survival in the BZs is supposed to result from diverse causes such as ‘moderate’ drinking at twice the NHS heavy-drinking guidelines[28], plant-based diets[25–27] and inbreeding[12,13].”

“…However, according to the national statistics bureau of Japan, only 3.9% of Japanese women and 19.3% of men over the age of 80 are smokers[56]. Tokyo centenarians therefore smoke at around twice the rate that could be expected in a younger, 80+year old cohort with an identical sex ratio. Likewise, 80% of the ‘exceptional’ health-status centenarian population were daily drinkers, followed by 49% of the ‘normal’ and less than 40% of the ‘frail or fragile’ centenarians, resulting in “a [significant] positive relationship between drinking habits and functional status”[55]. In contrast with these figures, Japanese government surveys estimate only 2.8% of women and 23% of men aged 80+ drink every day[56]. Daily drinking peaks at 36.7% in men aged 60-69, the heaviest-drinking cohort in Japan[56]. As such, Tokyo centenarians drink at higher rates than any other age group, and smoke at rates equal to a 45-year younger population[56].”

I think there is a play by Woody Allen about a man who falls in coma for decades only to wake up in a hospital at some point in the future and be presented with lit cigar/cigarette by a nurse and upon seeing his shocked face, the nurse exclaims something along the lines of “Please go ahead, it just tobacco. The healthiest remedy known to man.” On a more recent, and grim, note – we do have the extensive data from the COVID-19 pandemic demonstrating convincingly that smokers has a much lower chance of both falling ill with COVID-19, as well as deteriorating and dying from it.

The predisposition of smokers to COVID-19 infection: A mini-review of global perspectives - PMC

“…A case-control study from Mexico included 32,583 patients (12,304 COVID-19 positive cases and 20,279 COVID-19 negative controls) of which 2.3% of cases were smokers and 4.3% of controls had a history of smoking [65]. This study not only concluded that active smokers had a decreased likelihood of developing COVID-19 (females, adjusted OR = 0.49, 95% CI: 0.31–0.78; males, adjusted OR = 0.64, 95% CI 0.51–0.81) but also suggested that nicotine in tobacco might have a therapeutic effect.”

And finally, there is the curious example of a medical student from the UK, who had debilitating ulcerative colitis (UC) – a disease considered “incurable” by medicine – that went away for good when he started smoking a few cigarettes a day.

'Doctors don't always know best:' Student claims he cured debilitating bowel disease by taking up smoking

“…Stephen Pendry, 23, struggled with crippling pain, tiredness, shortness of breath and dehydration since he was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis four years ago. But he is now completely symptom-free, thanks to a new four-a-day cigarette habit. Doctors are divided over benefits of patients smoking to combat symptoms – some believe nicotine is the healer so patches, and not cigarettes, are way forward”.

So, how can the bioenergetic theory attempt to explain any potential benefits of smoking? Well, for a start, many of the main psychoactive tobacco ingredients (e.g. nicotine, cotinine, anabasine) are aromatase inhibitors.

Nicotine, cotinine, and anabasine inhibit aromatase in human trophoblast in vitro - PubMed

In addition, it seems that most of the studies that demonstrated detrimental effects from tobacco or nicotine were in-vitro, yet the effects of nicotine/tobacco seem to be the opposite in-vivo, at least in amounts that would constitute smoking a few cigarettes a day. Perhaps most importantly, nicotine seems to be able to strongly blunt the systemic inflammatory effects of endotoxin/LPS, including in humans. Assuming endotoxin/LPS is the main driver of many/most chronic diseases, the anti-estrogenic and anti-endotoxin effects of nicotine (and some other tobacco ingredients) may explain its cumulative effects on promoting longevity, despite the known and undisputed carcinogenic effects of the actual smoke from the burning tobacco.

Converse airway effects of nicotine <I>in vitro</I> and <I>in vivo</I> - Vienna 2012 - ERS Respiratory Channel

Frontiers | Nicotine in Inflammatory Diseases: Anti-Inflammatory and Pro-Inflammatory Effects

Nicotine exposure alters in vivo human responses to endotoxin - PubMed

“…Because a prototypical ligand for this receptor is nicotine, we studied the in vivo human response to bacterial endotoxin or lipopolysaccharide (LPS) in the context of nicotine or placebo pretreatment. Twelve adult male normal subjects were studied prospectively. Six received overnight transcutaneous nicotine administration by application of a standard patch (7 mg). Six hours later, all subjects were given an intravenous dose of endotoxin (2 ng/kg) and were evaluated for an additional 24 h for circulating levels of inflammatory biomarkers, vital signs and symptoms. The nicotine subjects had elevated blood levels of the nicotine metabolite, continine, prior to and throughout the 24-h post-endotoxin exposure phase. Subjects receiving nicotine exhibited a significantly lower temperature response as well as attenuated cardiovascular responses for 2.5-6 h after LPS exposure. In addition, increased circulating interkeukin (IL)-10 and cortisol levels were also noted in nicotine subjects. These data indicate an alteration in LPS-induced systemic inflammatory responses in normal subjects exposed to transcutaneous nicotine. In this model of abbreviated inflammation, nicotine exposure attenuates the febrile response to LPS and promotes a more prominent anti-inflammatory phenotype.”

Interestingly enough, one of most renowned healers in the Amazonian region – the birthplace of tobacco – used tobacco almost exclusively to heal almost any disease known to man. A key fact to note in his work was that all the tobacco-based remedies he used were used orally and/or topically, but never through smoking.

Frontiers | “Tobacco Is the Chief Medicinal Plant in My Work”: Therapeutic Uses of Tobacco in Peruvian Amazonian Medicine Exemplified by the Work of a Maestro Tabaquero

“…Harmful usage of tobacco is a public health problem of global concern and, in many countries, the main risk factor for non-communicable diseases. Yet, in the Peruvian Amazon, the geographical region believed to be tobacco’s historical birthplace, this plant is associated with a strikingly different usage and repute: Tobacco (especially Nicotiana rustica L.) in this area is described as a potent medicinal plant, used topically or via ingestion to treat a variety of health conditions. The goal of this transdisciplinary field study was to investigate clinical applications of the tobacco plant as per Amazonian medicine exemplified in the practice of a reputed Maestro Tabaquero, an Amazonian traditional healer whose medical specialization focuses on tobacco-based treatments…The current study described Amazonian therapeutic uses of tobacco (N. rustica L.) in the practice of a Maestro Tabaquero, an accomplished Amazonian healer specializing in tobacco-based treatments. The informant’s descriptions revealed refined knowledge on the plant’s therapeutic scope and properties, safety profile, and application techniques. A liquid remedy taken orally was his most commonly used preparation, with reported acute/sub-acute effects involving a pronounced psychoactive component (altered state of consciousness) and physiological response (emesis, intoxication, Spanish: “mareación”). A skilled tabaquero that knows how to diagnose, dose, administer, and intervene in case of adverse effects was described as imperative for safe treatment delivery; tobacco ingestion otherwise may be dangerous. The main indications mentioned by the informant included problems of the mind, of the respiratory system, parasitic illnesses (intestinal/skin), gout, and Amazonian epistemic conditions described as spiritual-energetic in nature.”

And last, but not least, smoking has been shown to inhibit (mostly) MAO-B, which of course results in higher dopamine levels. This pro-dopamine effect of smoking may be the reason for the known lower risk of Parkinson Disease (PD) in smokers and other users of tobacco products. Furthermore, the MAO-B inhibitor selegiline (Deprenyl) is one of the few proven anti-aging agents in humans, and is known to be used by various celebrities, politicians and other social elites for lifespan extension and retarding aging. This effect of smoking/tobacco may be a major reason behind any potential life-extending effects seen in smoking super-centenarians.

Monoamine oxidase inhibition dramatically increases the motivation to self-administer nicotine in rats - PubMed

Monoamine oxidase inhibition in cigarette smokers: From preclinical studies to tobacco product regulation - PubMed

Smoking Induces Long-Lasting Effects through a Monoamine-Oxidase Epigenetic Regulation

So, maybe that’s the main message here – unmodified tobacco may be indeed a highly beneficial natural remedy, with the benefits present mostly in using the plant through means that do not produce carcinogenic byproducts (e.g. smoking). However, even when smoked it seems that tobacco may still be a good “doctor” (see medical student with UC story above), despite doctors uniformly condemning tobacco/smoking as one of the biggest evils of the modern lifestyle. I wonder how many of the harms of even smoking are due not so much to the undeniably carcinogenic smoke, but to the toxic additives present in the vast majority of commercially sold cigarettes/cigars. The toxic ammonia and the carcinogenic flame retardants that are now mandated in commercial tobacco products by law may very well turn out to be a much bigger villain than the humble leaf from Amazonia.
 
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